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00:00.0
Good evening guys, welcome to tonight's episode of Facts First.
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Ako po si Christian Esguerra. Maraming maraming salamat po sa pagtuloy niyo pong pagsuporta dito po sa ating programa.
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And we're back here in Manila. We're streaming live here from our studio dito po sa Manila.
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Nakabalik na po tayo from our relatively short trip din po sa Sydney at sa Canberra.
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Kaso pagpasensyahan niyo na po dahil nagkaroon po tayo ulit ng technical issues today.
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So tama po yung kasabihan, when it rains, it pours.
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Alam ko may mga naiinip na po sa inyo.
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Nababasa ko po yung mga messages niyo.
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Pero don't worry. Maganda po yung pag-uusapan natin ngayong gabi.
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Dahil napakalaki po nung... Malaki po itong issue ang pag-uusapan natin at saka po yung implications nito.
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Dahil nag-decide po yung Korte Suprema at nahatulang guilty yung pong serial red tagger.
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Yung madalas po mga red tag ng kung sino-sino na basta po itinuturing na kritiko
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ng dating Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte.
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At tinutukoy po natin si...
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So nakatulad po siya kanina.
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Nakatulad po siya ng guilty of indirect contempt.
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Yung pag-uusapan natin ngayong gabi, ano po ba yung pinag-ugatan nito?
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Ang makakasama po natin ay yung pong tagapamuno ng Movement Against Disinformation.
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At siya rin po ang past president ng Philippine Bar Association.
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I'd like to welcome to our program again, si Atty. Rico Dominguez.
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Domingo. Magandang gabi, sir. And thank you for joining us.
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Pasensya na po, ah. Na-delete tayo ng content because of some glitches.
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Good evening, Christian. And welcome back to Manila.
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I'm happy to be with you.
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Maraming salamat, sir. Ilagay na natin topic natin ito.
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Lorraine Bado, you found guilty over threats versus judge.
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Una-una, ano po ba yung involvement nyo dito sa kaso na ito?
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And bigyan nyo po kami ng konting background.
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Ano po ba talaga yung punot-dulo nitong kaso na ito?
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Ang punot-dulo dito, actually, Christian, is that...
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Maraming mga posts si dating NTF-ELCAC spokesperson or undersecretary rin
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ng maraming posts na kinakatigas niya ang desisyon at ang pagkatao
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ng Judge Malagar ng RTC Manila.
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At maraming marami siyang posts doon at sinasabi niya na imbecile daw yung judge na yun.
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Hindi siya naniniwala at siya naglo-lawyering daw sa CPP-NPA.
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Maraming sinasabi siya na papatayin daw niya yung mga judges, mga ganon,
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at gagawa rin siya ng sariling grupo.
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At yun na yung asawa nitong si Judge Malagar,
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ay kanyang sinasabing kasama sa kadre ng CPP-NPA.
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So yung po mga maraming yun at motto propio, the Supreme Court,
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may ibig sabihin on its own, the Supreme Court issued a memorandum to the effect na pinapa-order na si Partosa
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Ihinto ang kanyang ginagawa at maraming may mga tatlong questions na binigay ang Supreme Court sa kanyang memorandum.
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Kami naman po, nakita po namin ang ginagawa ni dating Yusek Partosa.
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Sabi po namin mga abugado, sabi namin hindi natin mapapalampas ito because we are officers of the court
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and therefore we are duty-bound to protect the independence and integrity.
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of the judiciary, particularly the judges, and of course, at the end of the day, the impact of the judicial system which is the Supreme Court.
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So memorandum ng Supreme Court, sinabi ng Supreme Court, that is actually a contempt against the Supreme Court itself.
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Kaya nakita po namin halaga at kami pong mga abugado ay napunta sa Supreme Court at nag-file kami ng petition to cite Partosa,
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or Badoy Partosa, for indirect contempt.
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Ano po ba yung pagkakaiba ng direct at saka indirect contempt, which is the case here?
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Ang mabilis na manasabi natin pagkakaiba is that kung hindi naganap yung act na kinokomplain mo sa harap ng judge,
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eh yan ang direct contempt. Nakikita ng judge kung ano nangyari, ang contemptible act.
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For example, kung hindi ka tetestigo, you are ordered to come to court, hindi ka pumunta, that is a direct contempt.
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Or binastos mo yung mga...
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Tao sa loob ng korte, or binastos mo yung judge, or meron kayong profanity, or anything like that, then that's a direct contempt.
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Pero yung pag hindi yung act na yun ay ginanap sa harap ng judge, yun ang tinatawag ng indirect contempt.
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Okay, at least malinaw po yun sa mga nanonood at nakikinig.
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So hindi nakita mismo ng judge yung mga pinagsasabi laban sa kanya nitong si Lorraine Badoy.
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Dahil I understand inalabas niya ito sa social media, sa kanyang mga bitawang salita. Tama po ba?
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Ngayon, marami siyang posting na aming binigay sa Supreme Court, na-paste namin yun, na-copy up po namin yun, at lahat doon ay pinilagay namin sa petition as annexes.
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Okay. Yung mga nakita ko nagtatanong po kanina online, sinasabi nila, bakit daw 30,000 lang yung fine na ipinahataw sa kanya?
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Ano po bang ano? Medyo luma ba talaga yung batas dyan?
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Sa opinion nyo ba masyado maliit yun, 30,000?
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Well, we have to revise the rules of court.
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We have to revise it. Pero ang pinaka-mataas na penalty na may bigay is 30,000 plus 30 days of imprisonment.
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Yung sa kanya, ano po ba? Kasama ba imprisonment or yung fine lang?
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Wala. May fine at saka stern warning that further similar acts or similar utterances of the respondent, Badoy Partosa,
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would be tripled.
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They would be tripled sternly, more sternly, and that a higher penalty will be in the offing.
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Pag ganun po ba, kunwari, inulit. Kunwari, kasi kung marami ka naman pera, ano ba naman yung 30,000 sa'yo, no?
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Pag inulit ba yun, ano ba yung nasa range ng tinatawag na more stern na penalties?
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More stern is one, is imprisonment, yung 30 days, at saka meron tayong tinatawag na Article 19 of the Civil Code.
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The Civil Code of the Philippines, that pwedeng pang, pwedeng gawing basis yun ng anyone who would be affected by the utterances of similar utterances of Badoy Partosa,
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so may she does, then meron tayong mga remedies sa ibang batas naman, hindi lang dito sa Rules of Court.
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Okay. Ano naman po yung ano? Pag-usapan po natin yung importansya nitong ruling na ito ng Korte Suprema.
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At sabi nyo nga po, moto proprio, no? Hindi kailangan may lumapit sa Supreme Court, no? Sila mismo.
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Umaksyo na po. Tama po ba? Yan po yung ibig sabihin nun, di ba?
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Ano po yung importansya nito? Anong kahalagahan nitong ruling na ito in the context of judges performing their responsibilities?
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Kasi ito, kulang na lang yata murahin yung judge, no? Actually, mas masakit pa sa mura yung mga sinabi sa kanya.
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So ano yung implication nun sa ganyang konteksto po?
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Ang konteksto nito ay pinapangalagaan ng Supreme Court ang independence.
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Ang independensya ng mga juez, ng mga judges.
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In other words, hindi dapat sila matakot na mag-render ng desisyon ayon sa kanilang pagpanao sa mga kaso na kanilang hinaharap, no?
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Because when you adjudicate, when you decide or render decisions, you're actually functioning as an officer of the court, no?
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Part of the judicial system.
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And the hierarchy of courts, kasama ng RTC, kasama ng Court of Appeals, kasama ng Supreme Court.
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Ang pinakamataas ng Supreme Court.
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Therefore, dapat walang iniisip ang judges kung hindi, kung anong tama sa kanyang sapantaha sa mga ebidensyang inilahag sa kanya.
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At huwag siyang matatakot ng outside influences at hindi siya tatakutin mga parties sa litigation.
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At dapat ay malaya siyang magbibigay ng desisyon.
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Yan ang independence of judiciary.
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Okay. Dito po, diba, ang punente po o yung sumulat ng desisyon ay si Justice Marvic Leonen.
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And I think a significant portion of that decision focused on freedom of expression in the context of the so-called marketplace of ideas.
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Gano'n po kahalaga yung sinabi niya tungkol doon, no?
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Kasi nga, sinasabi, alam naman na marami yung ibig sabihin ng marketplace.
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Magtutuwang galean yung mga opinion, idea, and meron tayong tao dito confidence sa tao because of our human faculties para piliin kung ano yung tama.
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Pero maganda yung discussion doon ni Justice Leonen po, no?
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Siguro ang tanong ko sa inyo, hindi ba ito parang attack naman on free expression kung ganito naman yung ipinataw against someone like Lorraine Badoy?
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Well, ang masakit.
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Kasusing in-explain na ni Justice Leonen ang ibig sabihin ng freedom of expression and the press, no?
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Sabi niya na talagang unfettered dapat yan, no?
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The general rule is that it's not supposed to be, there should be no law abridging the press freedom and expression.
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In fact, in our 1987 constitution, ilagyan pa nga nila ng freedom of expression.
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Hindi lang yung freedom of the press, no? And speech.
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Kaya ang sinasabi ni Justice...
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Justice Leonen, at mahaba niyang tinalakay at in genesis ng freedom of expression and freedom of speech,
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tinalakay niya ang anong kahalagahan ng freedom of speech dito sa ating bansa, sa democratic polity.
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But ang sabi niya, hindi ito unfettered.
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In other words, merong hangganan to.
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Hindi maaaring magkamumurahin mo, for example, ng judge in that particular context,
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and then sasabihin mo freedom of the press yan, freedom of expression.
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In other words, if it impacts on the integrity of the judge based on false suit, for example, as in this case, as found by the Supreme Court,
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then hindi pwede natin po protection ng so-called freedom of the press ng respondent.
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May hangganan, no?
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Tsaka tulad nung binabagay ko po lagi dyan, yung marketplace of ideas concept, dapat i-update yan eh.
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Kasi sa panahon ng disinformation,
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kung saan yung platforms ng social media ay nakokontrol,
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kumbaga, it applies kung yung free market of ideas level yung playing field,
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may equal opportunity sa mga tao to express themselves.
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E sa panahon niya yan kasi, yung mismong tindahan, yung mismong merkado, kontralado ng mga manipulators.
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So yan ang medyo nakakatakot dyan.
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Ito ba, gusto kong puntahan yung mismo kaso, yung prescription case,
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doon yata nagputok yung butsi itong serial red tagger na si Lorraine Badoy.
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Ano po ba yung kasong hinawakan ni Judge Malagar sa Manila?
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Briefly, ang naka-issue doon is whether you should prescribe the CPP, NPA, NDF,
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and other so-called communist organizations as terrorist groups, yung nakalagay sa Human Security Act, no?
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So ang tinasabi ni Judge, dinismiss ni Judge yan na wala daw basis,
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ang petition ng Department of Justice in that respect, that was during the time of Duterte, no?
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So dinismiss niya yan.
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Kaya yun ang nagputok ang butsi ni Respondent Badoy-Partosa,
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at she went through a rampage of those utterances that are subject of this petition for indirect contempt.
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So nagalit siya dahil hindi pabor doon sa gusto niya yung desisyon ng Judge.
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So ibig sabihin yan, may gumawa niyan, in another instance, meron ng malinaw na ruling ang Supreme Court.
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Kunwari dito, sa desisyon mismo ng Supreme Court, ang punente si Justice Leonin,
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kunwari may nagmura naman sa kanya, sinabi, bayaran ka, siguro NPA ka.
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This can also apply to that person, tama po ba?
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Yes, tama yun. This is a presidential value.
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In fact, ang sabi po namin, this is a landmark case.
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Because number one, sabi ng Supreme Court, dalawang issues po ang sinabi ng Supreme Court dito.
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The first issue is the locus standi or the standing to sue of the petitioners who are all lawyers.
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Nasustain po ang standing to sue ng mga lawyers, kasama na na ang inyong lingkod.
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At sabi ng court, you are officers of the court and therefore you are the guardian of the rule of law
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and therefore you are, you have the duty.
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You have the duty to act as guardians of the independence of the judiciary.
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So itong kontekstong yun, yun ang sinabi ng Supreme Court.
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Kaya inacknowledge ng Supreme Court ang aming standing.
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Ngayon, ang tanong dito, bakit kami pumuntang diretsyo sa Supreme Court?
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Sinabi nga namin, ito ay of transcendental importance.
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Kaya kami lumahag mismo sa Supreme Court diretsyo.
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Because under the rules of law, rules of court rather,
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dapat final namin ang petition doon kay Judge Malagari herself sa kanyang korte.
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Ang ginawa namin, no, pumunta kami sa itaas at diretsyo kami pumunta sa Supreme Court
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on this petition for indirect contempt.
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At the court recognized that.
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Thankfully, the court recognized that and this is a presidential procedure of presidential value for all of us.
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Sa ganyan po, Pastor.
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Anyone who would be similarly attacked by anyone,
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pwedeng lumahag na ngayon using this as a presidential case.
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Yung mismong judge po na naging target and subject of those attacks,
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pwede rin po bang siya mismo may gawin?
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Meron. Pero mukha yata na sinabi yata ni Judge Malagari na, you know,
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she's right, my conscience is clean,
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and therefore I should not...
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in any way, this part of my job,
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part of the, probably, sinabi niya na, this part of the game,
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and therefore I should just keep quiet and retain it.
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And if they want to go up to the Supreme Court or go to the Court of Appeals, then let them.
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But I, this is my decision, paninindigan ko yan.
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Bait niya. Very dignified, no?
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Pero pwede rin po ba niya i-cite for indirect contempt? Tama ba? On her own?
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Actually, dapat nga siya ang magpapang-indirect contempt.
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Actually, dapat nga siya ang magpapang-indirect contempt.
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Sa kanya. Indirect contempt sa kanya.
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Pero ganun din ang penalty kung sakali?
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Ganun din po ang penalty.
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Medyo, meron nang maraming nagsasabi at nag-issue na yata ng statement si dating USEC, no?
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Na pinapaliit niya ang halaga nitong disisyon.
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Sabi niya, pabor pa raw ang kanyang, ang Supreme Court sa kanya.
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At ang binigay lamang is 30,000. Hindi ito, hindi ito minemeasured.
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Hindi ito minemeasured as to the amount that had been, that she had been fined to pay.
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Ito yung kahalagahan because the Supreme Court gave us the guideposts, the judicial guideposts
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para sabihin natin kung ano ang ating mga parameters para let's hold people accountable in a similar situation.
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Ah, yun palang spin niya diyan. 30,000 lang. Parang slap on the wrist ba?
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Sabi niya, nanalo ako. Wala naman akong imprisonment. Sabi na nga.
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Sabi niya, nanalo ako. Wala naman akong imprisonment. Sabi na nga.
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Sabi niya, nanalo ako. Wala naman akong imprisonment. Sabi na nga.
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Sabi ng batas, pero hindi niya nakikita ang kahalagahan nitong desisyon na ito, ang presidential value of this decision of the court. Landmark po, Christian, this is a landmark case.
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Inawin lang natin, baka doon sa nalilito, pag sinabi ni Atty. Rico na presidential value, hindi po yung presidente. President, better say.
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Kumbaga, this blazes the trail when it comes to this particular issue.
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Exactly. And mind you, Christian, this is an unbanked decision. In other words, 15 justices and not only unbanked, but it is a unanimous decision.
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So, the doctrine is a doctrinal decision. Kung sasabihin mong presidential, doctrinal decision yan kasi unbanked.
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May isa kong tanong, alam ko yung kasama niya po sa MAD, si Atty. Tony Lavinia, isa po ito sa mga binanggit niya before, dapat magkaroon ng batas specific against red baiting or red tagging.
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Can you talk about the nuances of that? Kasi, pang inisip naman ng iba.
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Kailangan pa ba ng specific against red tagging or red baiting? Hindi ba siya covered ng existing laws?
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Or have we come to a point wherein we really need a specific law against this, given the context that we have?
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Siguro ang pwede natin sabihin eh, pataasin natin ang penalty. Kasi covered na naman ang mga batas yan eh.
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Now, if you want to go on a civil route, kunyari civil case ang gusto mo, kasi ayaw natin ang cyber libel na criminal.
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Iba, tayong mga journalist, yan ay malaking debate.
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So, sabi ko nga kay Atty. Raulio, sinabi ko rin sa mga kliyente namin iba, hindi naman kailangan natin criminalize ito eh.
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Baka masabihin pa, we are using the law as a weapon against the critical people.
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So, pwede civil naman yan, and it can be within the purview of Article 19, which says that in the exercise of your rights, you should observe decency,
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protect the rights of the other people as well. That's all you know.
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So, in other words, meron tayong mga existing laws that we can use as remedies for this particular case, similarly situated case.
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Ano ba yung magandang, sa opinion po, yung penalty that might be good enough to prevent people from doing serial red-baiting?
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Well, may ginawa.
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May ginawa po kaming ano, we filed the NPC case against the META, na nasa National Privacy Commission ngayon.
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At aming hinihingi sa NPC, yung taong nag-libel sa aming kliyente na nagtatago pa, anonymous pa, para we will resort to additional remedies pag nalaman namin yan.
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So, isang bagay na pwede natin gawin would be to ask the NPC, the National Privacy Commission, to divulge or disclose the origin or the genesis of the posts na nage-impacto sa ating kliyente.
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Sino kliyente po ito in particular?
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I think I can mention it, si Kong Corrales.
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Ah, okay. O nga pala, yung journalist.
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Si Kong Corrales.
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Si Kong Corrales.
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Si Kong Corrales.
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Red-tag journalist, ah, Christian.
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Oo, oo. Totoo yan.
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nakausap na rin po natin siya dito sa programang
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ito. So, isa yun sa mga ruta na
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tinitingnan nyo na para ma-e-out
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kasi antatapang ng mga
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serial red-taggers na yan, eh, no?
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Because they're enjoying the
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bliss or the so-called bliss of
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So, gusto nyo i-out sila?
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Okay. Taya, nabanggit yun
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kay Atom, no? Ano po ba update nun?
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Ah, nag-file si Atom Aralo
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yun ng, ano, no, civil case, no? Tama ba?
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Sa mga nang-re-red-tag din sa kanya.
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Correct. Ah, civil lang yun, no?
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Hindi, ah, may two million
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na, ano siya, million
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na claim, no? Among others,
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moral damages and blah, blah, blah.
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ewan ko lang kung kasabihin ko na sa'yo
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ito ngayon, na default
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namin sila sa Elisa at saka si Badoy.
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What do you mean default?
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corresponding pleadings sa
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RTC and therefore the RTC judge
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said, you are in default.
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In other words, we will be allowed
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ex parte, our own evidence
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respondents, meaning Badoy and Celis
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presenting theirs.
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Parang ano, they for
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ano tayo dito? They gave away their
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their rights under
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the law to respond. Tama ba?
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At di pa ganun, ang pagbabasehan
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ng judge, yung sa inyo.
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Kaya nga, ang sabi nga namin,
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yung aming litigation
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na aming in-estimate ng mga
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five years to six years,
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eh mukhang napaliit, na abbreviated.
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Kasi isang lang hearing
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o tatlong hearing lamang, kami
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na magpipresento ng evidence siya
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at tapos na ang kaso.
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Mukhang busy-busy kayo dyan sa
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Movement Against Disinformation.
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Tama po ba itong MAD? Ito yung parang
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nung itong coordinated campaign
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against purveyors
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of disinformation. Tama po ba?
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Tama po yan. At marami na kaming
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kaso. In fact, we're representing
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the health workers
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na ni-reptag din ni Badoy.
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Meron kami mga kaso dyan
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at kami sumama rin sa
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on Legislative Franchises
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ng Franchisa ng MNNI.
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So, kasama po kami dyan
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because we believe that that particular
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station, cable station,
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had been used for propaganda
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and for disinformation
23:08.8
which is against their franchise
23:13.3
House, the Congress
23:16.2
Sorry, I missed yata yung part na yan.
23:19.1
Saan naka-direct yung
23:20.5
petition? Sa NTC?
23:25.7
NTC yun, pero ang aming
23:27.7
ginawang vehicle was the
23:31.4
or the hearings of the House
23:33.7
on Legislative Franchise.
23:36.5
Ah, okay. Para alaman nyo
23:38.5
yung mga lumabas dun sa ano.
23:40.3
Yung lumabas sa pagdinig.
23:42.0
And eventually, the House,
23:47.6
to suspend the franchise
23:52.2
Then eventually, NTC
23:53.7
itself suspended.
23:55.7
The franchise for indefinite
23:57.9
time of time, length of time.
24:00.4
Ibig sabihin ba ano sila ngayon?
24:01.7
Off the air? Off air sila ngayon?
24:04.1
Off the air sila lang, but recently
24:05.7
merong report na nga labag nila
24:08.1
yung order ng NTC
24:09.8
kaya nag-arit ang NTC.
24:11.8
Sinabi ng NTC, okay, we will suspend
24:13.8
you indefinitely.
24:15.7
Okay. Ito nga pala, sir. Tanong ko lang, no?
24:21.8
Supreme Court in the case of
24:24.3
who viciously attacked
24:26.6
this Manila judge.
24:29.3
Yung mga arguments, for instance,
24:31.4
na sinayit dun sa ruling na yun,
24:33.2
when it came to the limits of
24:37.3
pwede rin po bang gamitin yun, for instance,
24:41.1
may dumating na kaso in the case of SMNI.
24:43.7
Kasi yung iba, finiframe din yan
24:45.2
as a press freedom issue.
24:47.1
Although, ako personally,
24:49.2
tinatakbuhan nila yung ruta na yan
24:50.9
whenever convenient.
24:52.8
Hindi, press kami.
24:55.1
Yan ang mga binibitawang salita
24:56.3
nung dating human rights lawyer
24:58.3
na si Harry Roque,
24:59.8
na instantly naging champion of press freedom
25:03.5
Yung argument na yun,
25:04.8
pwede bang gamitin din yun dito?
25:06.9
Yung limits to press freedom,
25:08.9
to free expression
25:10.7
that were cited by
25:15.3
Yeah. Pwede yung gamitin,
25:17.5
pero with a caveat.
25:19.7
Hindi dapat gawin mong
25:21.3
i-disseminate mo ang disinformation
25:24.3
It was found to have
25:25.1
been disseminated
25:26.9
in a violation of
25:28.4
Section 4 of its franchise.
25:30.6
Kasi in Section 4 says
25:31.7
you are not supposed to
25:32.8
disseminate disinformation
25:36.6
So, in other words,
25:38.1
they are also violating
25:39.4
their own franchise.
25:40.6
And remember that
25:41.4
a cable franchise
25:42.9
is only a privilege
25:44.6
granted by the House.
25:46.3
A privilege granted
25:48.4
So, hindi maaari sabihin niya
25:49.7
karapatan nila yun.
25:51.2
So, they have to be
25:52.1
answerable to the
25:54.3
the one who granted
25:55.9
and the one who granted
25:58.0
the House Committee
25:59.2
was the one responsible
26:00.9
for the suspension
26:04.4
or deletion of the
26:06.4
franchise of SMNI.
26:08.7
Magandang ano yan.
26:09.6
Magandang point yan.
26:10.7
Kasi naging issue rin yan
26:13.1
Remember, nung nasa
26:15.1
I did a story about that.
26:16.5
Although, pinatay yung story na yun.
26:19.0
Kasi medyo nagpapapogi
26:20.4
yung mga boses ko
26:21.2
sa mga congressmen
26:25.3
diba, yung exclusive right
26:28.2
legislative franchises
26:35.0
the House Committee
26:35.6
on Legislative Franchises.
26:37.5
Sa paliwanag nyo kasi
26:38.4
mukha siyang open and shut case.
26:40.1
Dahil nabasa ko nga yung
26:41.7
yung franchise law
26:44.6
granting legislative franchise
26:47.9
Bawal magkalat ng
26:50.3
So, doon sa paliwanag nyo,
26:55.4
pwede ba nilang invoke?
26:56.2
Pwede ba silang tumakbo
26:57.0
sa Supreme Court?
26:59.3
there's a higher issue
27:03.1
so-called violation.
27:05.7
Well, pwede naman.
27:07.2
We will not stop them.
27:10.3
we cannot stop them
27:11.1
because it's their right
27:12.0
to go to the upper
27:17.5
as to whether they will
27:24.6
in that particular case
27:26.0
that they did not
27:27.0
violate the franchise,
27:28.2
then the Supreme Court
27:29.1
will just find out.
27:30.9
Ano bang nangyari
27:31.6
dun sa House Committee?
27:34.7
separate and distinct
27:44.4
in aid of legislation
27:47.5
whether they should
27:48.1
renew the franchise
27:49.0
or stop the franchise
27:50.3
or cancel the franchise,
27:53.7
So, kung meron namang
27:56.5
ang House Committee,
28:00.0
sa Supreme Court.
28:03.5
pwede bang pasukan
28:05.2
ng Supreme Court?
28:06.5
Ano lang naman ito,
28:07.0
academic exercise lang
28:08.1
yung ginagawa natin.
28:10.0
nag-decide yung House
28:20.1
or decision process
28:23.5
Merong remedy dyan.
28:26.2
Meron dyan remedy,
28:32.3
abuse of discretion
28:33.5
ang House Committee
28:37.4
in our illustration,
28:39.0
then pwede sabihin
28:40.4
may abuse of discretion
28:42.2
there's grave abuse
28:44.5
lack of jurisdiction.
28:46.0
Pag na-convince sila
28:47.4
na mayroong grave
28:48.2
abuse of discretion,
28:49.7
then that's the time
28:50.4
that the Supreme Court
28:52.2
As the adjudicator
28:53.8
of this particular
28:58.4
of discretion na yan,
29:03.0
of due process eh.
29:09.3
in-exposed na namin.
29:11.4
pag pinakinggan nyo
29:12.3
yung mismong hearings,
29:13.4
parang drawing naman eh.
29:19.0
dyan for instance?
29:22.2
Pwede makita yan.
29:24.5
ang Supreme Court,
29:25.3
although the Supreme Court
29:31.0
if there is really
29:42.7
May exception yan
29:45.1
ang titinal lang naman
29:46.1
ng Supreme Court dyan,
29:53.6
nirenew ang franchise
29:58.4
Anong pinagbasihan
29:59.4
ng House Committee?
30:06.4
kung may nakita naman
30:11.8
admissible evidence,
30:14.6
the Supreme Court
30:17.9
observe and abide
30:22.6
check and balances
30:34.6
pero ibig sabihin,
30:36.2
yung palang ginawa
30:38.3
sa Supreme Court?
30:52.2
nakalimutan ko na,
30:53.1
umakyat sa Supreme Court,
30:54.3
pero specific ba dito sa,
30:58.2
to reject the application
30:59.6
for another 25-year franchise
31:06.9
ang kanilang question.
31:09.4
Wala raw due process.
31:10.8
Wala raw due process.
31:13.0
pero ano na yata,
31:14.3
nakalimutan ko yung ruling dun,
31:17.9
because mayroon ng,
31:19.2
cancellation yata
31:22.9
sa plenary house.
31:26.1
Kasi ang iniisip ko po roon,
31:27.6
yung decision mismo
31:28.6
ng house committee
31:29.6
to reject the application
31:31.6
for a new franchise.
31:34.0
at the Supreme Court.
31:35.8
isa sa iyo na naging
31:38.2
Premature po yun,
31:43.1
Wala pa siya ng decision.
31:45.1
the Supreme Court,
31:51.6
konting ano naman,
31:52.5
konting education din
31:54.7
para sa aming lahat,
31:56.9
ang framing ng iba rito,
31:59.5
ng mababang kapulungan
32:01.7
possible violations
32:06.5
ano po ba yung mga leksyon
32:07.4
na pwede mapulot dito?
32:09.1
Pwede bang gamitin
32:14.1
their right to broadcast
32:16.0
ano ba yung limits dito,
32:18.0
especially in the context
32:19.0
of massive disinformation
32:21.3
hyper partisanship?
32:27.0
standard yung lalagay mo
32:34.4
Another standard provision
32:46.9
That is the right of the
32:49.2
ang question dyan would be,
32:51.3
can the respondent,
32:56.0
freedom of the press
32:57.4
and freedom of expression?
33:01.3
Laging nandyan yan eh?
33:03.8
Nakalatag lagi yan
33:04.7
as a potential defense sila eh?
33:07.8
it's a matter of proof
33:08.8
kung talagang merong
33:11.7
or freedom of the press.
33:13.5
kung hindi naman nila
33:14.2
mapapatunayan yun,
33:15.6
that's an empty defense,
33:18.7
titignan natin mabuti
33:21.6
I don't want to sound
33:22.4
like an apologist
33:23.2
for the House Committee
33:36.6
they don't even know
33:37.6
who would be the actual
33:38.7
owner of the SMNI.
33:43.9
that have been presented
33:51.0
the House Committee
33:55.8
ang leader niyan?
33:60.0
anak na pakilala.
34:03.1
iyan ang dapat pakita.
34:07.7
na hindi ni ginawa yun,
34:11.1
because there are
34:13.1
Minuted naman nila yan.
34:16.4
hindi nila sakabing
34:17.2
walang due process.
34:19.7
nagugulit nga po ako
34:22.0
Parang hindi ba sila
34:22.6
natatakot sa Panginoon?
34:24.1
Kasi tinutugis nila
34:25.4
ang anak ng Diyos,
34:27.1
Blaspheme mo siya
34:31.3
Pinapatawak mo lang
34:34.1
sino ba naman yung,
34:36.6
sa buong buhay nyo,
34:41.3
I don't think so.
34:44.6
Pag nanaginip ako,
34:46.2
kahit panaginip ko,
34:49.3
hindi ko naisip po yun, eh,
34:50.5
May mga kalala ko
34:56.2
naanak ako ng Panginoon.
34:58.0
warning lang sa mga kongresista,
35:00.1
anak ng Panginoon,
35:01.8
yung inyong tinutugis.
35:04.4
meron yata sa PINANAS
35:05.6
si Sen. Ontiveros,
35:09.5
dapat pumunta na siya doon.
35:11.7
i-arresto yata siya
35:16.5
At tinututukan nila doon
35:18.5
yung alleged abuses naman
35:19.9
sa ilang mga miyembro.
35:25.9
always a pleasure
35:26.7
to have you dito po
35:28.5
Ang dami po namin
35:29.2
natututunan sa inyo.
35:31.7
yung mga viewers natin
35:34.9
na pagpapaliwanag.
35:36.7
abay pa yung bonus
35:37.3
sa Atty. Rico, no?
35:39.0
Para kami nagsitin
35:40.8
Good night to everyone.
35:42.3
Thank you very much.
35:45.5
Ayan, si Atty. Rico,
35:49.5
Kung yan ang teacher mo
35:51.2
kung ganyan siya magturo,
35:53.8
Madaling matuto, eh.
35:57.7
parang grounded d'ya
35:58.4
tayo itong audio ko.
35:59.2
Hindi ko pa nakokonsulta
36:00.3
yung mga eksperto
36:01.4
pagdating dito sa audio.
36:04.6
it has to do with
36:05.5
yung cable na ginagamit ko, eh.
36:10.9
yung internet natin ngayon.
36:12.6
nung nasa Sydney tayo,
36:15.5
matang internet doon.
36:17.6
hindi maganda masyado
36:18.5
yung visuals natin.
36:21.1
Anyway, maraming salamat po
36:23.1
kayo napulot sa ating
36:24.0
discussion ngayong gabi.
36:28.0
may mga naliligaw na naman
36:31.2
may nagbangkit kanina.
36:37.1
isinaray yung ABS-CBN
36:38.3
dahil bias na media.
36:42.2
Medyo nagsasawa na ako
36:44.0
itong ibig sabihin
36:52.8
bago tayo mag-usap,
36:53.8
i-correct nyo naman po
36:54.6
yung paggamit nyo ng bias
36:58.1
Yung biased na noun
36:59.2
at saka yung biased
37:02.3
At saka tayo mag-usap
37:03.1
pag alam nyo na po
37:06.7
Tsaka kung bias po
37:07.6
yung pag-uusapan,
37:08.6
kung ang basis po
37:12.3
ay yung pagiging bias,
37:13.9
ano pong tawag nyo
37:16.7
Hindi ba hyper-bias yan?
37:20.8
Napanood nyo na ba
37:22.1
yung mga pinapalabas nyo
37:25.0
Kung yun ang, ano,
37:26.4
kung yan ang basahin.
37:28.3
And problema kasi sa inyo,
37:30.3
gusto nyo ipasara
37:31.8
pag hindi kayo agree
37:34.1
pinag-uusapan doon, no?
37:36.1
Gusto nyo yung echo chambers lang.
37:37.6
Eh, di ka-usapin nyo na lang
37:39.1
o makinig kayo dun
37:41.3
sa mga nagpapanggap
37:42.7
ng mga news network,
37:44.6
bayarang vloggers
37:48.7
Ayun, madidinig nyo
37:49.9
yung mga gusto nyo
37:52.4
Pero hindi ako makakasiguro,
37:54.9
hindi rin po kayo nakakasiguro
37:56.2
kung tatalino kayo ron
37:57.3
o mas marami kayo
37:58.7
malalaman na tama.
38:03.7
Eh, pero kung gusto nyo
38:04.9
yung binobobo kayo,
38:07.0
nilalapas tangan kayo,
38:11.6
that's your, ano,
38:12.7
that's your right.
38:15.0
Tama yun, Donski.
38:16.4
Confirmation bias.
38:17.5
Pero yun ako nang gamitin
38:20.2
baka masyado naman silang,
38:24.1
Hindi na kailangan yan.
38:28.1
O, maraming bayaran
38:32.2
kung nalalaman nyo lang, no?
38:34.5
Kung sino yung, ano,
38:36.5
mas mapapakinabangan nila.
38:39.4
napapagusapan dito.
38:40.5
Meron nga rin mga
38:41.2
bayarang analyst, no?
38:46.3
matatalini pa naman yung
38:48.0
pero ginagamit yung katalinuhan
38:49.5
para sa kawalang hiyaan.
38:53.3
yun po yung masama dyan, eh.
38:56.0
Pinoy Travels in UK.
38:58.6
Maraming salamat sa'yo.
39:01.5
Hindi, may pangit sa,
39:02.8
May pangit sa audio ko, eh.
39:04.8
hindi natin sure kung
39:06.2
matututo ng kanyang leksyon
39:07.9
itong Solorin Badoy
39:12.7
yung term po talaga is
39:14.3
hindi po red tagging.
39:15.4
Pero in the context
39:16.0
sa Filipino English,
39:18.0
mas ginagamit natin
39:20.7
Pero pag tinignan yung meaning yan,
39:22.6
mas ginagamit yan sa, ano,
39:24.9
ng mga appliances,
39:26.0
ang term po talaga
39:31.5
nakakaintindihan naman tayo,
39:34.6
Huwag lang kayo makikipag-communicate
39:36.6
dahil baka hindi sila familiar
39:40.1
Parang isipin nyo,
39:41.3
alam nyo yung paggamit
39:42.4
ng ibang Pilipino
39:43.3
pagdating sa term na salvage,
39:46.5
oh, salvage kita eh,
39:49.4
Eh, pero ang ibig sabihin po nun,
39:51.3
ang correct usage talaga yan,
39:54.0
magkaiba yung meaning nun.
39:57.2
Matatakot dito yung,
39:58.4
kakabahan yung foreigner
40:02.8
Tapos bigla may pumatay sa kanya.
40:04.5
Yung pala gusto niya
40:10.1
Baka sabihin nyo,
40:10.7
nagmamagaling na naman.
40:11.5
Tama naman po yung sinasabi ko.
40:15.7
may mga babatiin po tayo
40:18.4
Bago ko makalimutan,
40:22.3
na nasa airport po tayo,
40:26.4
may nakasalubong po ako.
40:32.9
Siya pala nagme-message sa akin.
40:35.3
based siya sa Sydney.
40:39.8
baka pwede magkita.
40:42.3
nanonood po siya ng Facts First.
40:44.3
At sa tingin ko ngayon,
40:45.0
nanonood siya, no?
40:45.8
Greg, maraming salamat.
40:47.3
It was my pleasure
40:48.2
meeting nyo kanina sa airport
40:50.0
kahit mabilis lang.
40:51.3
Kasama niya yung kanyang asawa,
40:55.8
Napakabait na couple po.
40:57.6
Tapos gusto ko rin po magpasalamat
41:01.1
Yung asikasong Rex Hirang.
41:02.8
Nandun po tayo sa Sydney.
41:05.3
Matagal na po natin siya kakilala,
41:07.0
pero nakalimutan ko na
41:08.2
based na kapalit siya sa Sydney.
41:10.4
Noong nagpost ako,
41:11.5
nagparamdam siya.
41:13.8
Nakakatid-sundo ako ng di oras,
41:15.5
pati yung aking pamilya.
41:17.5
Maraming salamat sa iyo,
41:19.8
Sa servisyong Rex.
41:25.9
binabati rin po natin
41:27.0
si Miss Divine Villafuerte.
41:29.9
Binabati rin po natin
41:31.1
yung kanyang anak na si Alan Katura.
41:34.4
Birthday po ni Alan
41:39.1
Maraming salamat sa iyo,
41:40.9
And happy birthday,
41:41.5
sa iyong anak na si Alan
41:45.0
naway magpatuloy ka
41:46.3
sa iyong magandang layunin
41:48.9
ng mga totoong nangyayari
41:51.8
Maraming salamat po.
42:01.4
hindi ko maintindihan nyo mo.
42:03.4
kinocomment si Seven Samurai
42:05.3
tungkol sa Ukrainian.
42:06.4
Hindi ko maintindihan.
42:11.5
Ba't meron kang mga Ukrainian
42:23.0
Babalikan natin yan.
42:24.0
Nagkasalisi kami ni ano eh.
42:25.4
Ni mahal na Pangulong
42:31.0
yung kanyang ano?
42:32.3
Yung kanyang pagbisita ron.
42:38.0
the parliament siya ta
42:39.0
doon sa Canberra.
42:41.2
Si Eric, maraming salamat
42:46.2
Kaya pala, ito ah.
42:47.5
Yung sinuot kong shirt na
42:55.6
Gagawin na po natin siyang
42:56.5
available starting tomorrow.
42:60.0
sa ating Shopee and Lazada.
43:02.1
And parang awa nyo na po.
43:03.3
Huwag nyo po tangkiligin
43:04.4
yung mga walang hiyang
43:05.5
nagbebenta ng mga peke
43:07.1
na fax first merch
43:09.1
dito po sa Shopee
43:11.2
Binangkit nyo na po
43:11.8
yung mga pangalan nila.
43:13.1
Paano nyo po malalaman
43:16.7
tinan nyo yung dami
43:21.0
ang kakapalang pagmumuka.
43:23.2
Yung mismo mga photos
43:24.9
na ako mismo kumuha.
43:26.5
Pati yung kinopya
43:28.4
sa kanilang mga shops
43:31.7
Tapos ang kakapalang
43:34.8
Konting ano lang.
43:36.0
Konting supporta lang.
43:37.6
itong mga walang hiyang
43:38.6
nagbebenta ng peke.
43:42.9
Ang tunay na Faxnatic
43:44.1
hindi po nagpapabudol.
43:47.9
hindi lang po yun
43:48.5
ang shirt na available natin.
43:50.6
pangalawang design.
43:51.8
Baka magustuhan nyo rin po
43:56.6
hindi Fake First.
44:00.4
Shoutout sa beautiful wife
44:01.8
ni Herbie Recato.
44:03.6
Si Tin watching from Shanghai.
44:07.4
sige maraming salamat po.
44:13.8
si Ma'am Rose Williams
44:14.7
nag-message po siya sa akin.
44:17.4
ano rin po siya sa Australia.
44:18.8
Hindi ko na po siya
44:23.0
ng mga taga-supporta po natin
44:26.3
Talagang biglaan lang po
44:27.2
yung punta natin doon.
44:28.3
Napakabilis na trip.
44:30.6
babalik po tayo doon.
44:32.5
pwede tayo magkaroon
44:38.6
nag-auto-bili talaga ako
44:40.7
Pag may mga nag-message
44:43.1
pupunta ko sa isang lugar,
44:44.8
tapos nalaman nila,
44:46.0
tapos nakikipagkita.
44:48.3
kaya hindi ako agad
44:51.1
maraming messages,
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iniisa-isa ko yan.
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pag may free time.
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Kaya hindi ko agad
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maraming mga messages.
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isa po sa pag-auto-bili ko,
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hindi naman po tayo
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feeling celebrity.
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may mga ibang gano'n,
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yung mga so-called vloggers,
45:11.5
yung mga feeling artista,
45:12.8
may mga gano'n, eh.
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baka may napapanood kayo
45:15.8
yung feeling celebrity
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pag may nag-message
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baka mapagkamalan nyo
45:25.1
talagang nahihiya lang po ako.
45:27.4
kakapal yung pagmumuka ko.
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minsan nahihiya po ako.
45:35.4
nung nagpunta po kami
45:39.5
si Ma'am Aurora Villanueva,
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Doon ko na-realize,
45:50.9
maganda yung connection natin
45:52.7
sa ating mga taga-suporta
45:55.1
very heartfelt yung, ano,
46:00.4
nararamdaman ko rin
46:01.2
yung supporta nyo
46:01.8
dito sa mga comments nyo.
46:03.8
So, face-to-face na, eh.
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And nakakataba po talaga
46:07.8
Ayoko lang po talaga
46:08.6
nung minsan yung parang
46:10.5
parang dating celebrity
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dahil hindi naman po
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talaga tayo ganon, no?
46:16.6
Tapos yun nga po,
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yung mga taga-suporta natin
46:21.2
si Sinamenchi Mizuno.
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Ayan, maraming salamat
46:25.2
Madalas manood po yan.
46:27.5
Ay, maganda to, ah.
46:28.3
Magandang idea to, ah.
46:30.6
Inunood po nga yan.
46:37.0
ang ganda nung idea
46:40.1
Ayan, hindi ko na mahanap.
46:45.8
Sige, sige, sige, sige.
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Sensya na po, ah.
46:49.0
Medyo pagod po po tayo.
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Maraming pa tayong gagawin.
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So, kita-kita po tayo,
46:55.3
Today's Thursday.
46:56.5
O, may episode po tayo
47:02.4
Next week po kasi
47:03.8
Singapore naman tayo.
47:06.2
tinatapos po tayong trabaho
47:08.4
bago po tayo umalis.
47:10.7
nasa Singapore po tayo.
47:12.8
Maraming maraming salamat po
47:13.8
for joining us tonight
47:14.8
and kita-kita po tayo
47:16.6
for another episode
47:18.9
Facts First Podcast.
47:20.3
Again, maraming maraming salamat po
47:21.8
sa patuloy na pagsuporta nyo.
47:23.4
From the bottom of my heart,
47:24.8
maraming maraming salamat po.
47:33.8
Thank you for watching!
