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00:01.0
Alright, yan. Magandang araw mga kabatas natin at welcome sa isinamong live stream.
00:08.5
Mga kabatas natin, yung pag-uusapan natin ngayon, it's again very interesting.
00:13.3
Well, syempre we will talk about the rules din sa Senate in relation to their contempt powers,
00:18.4
although we talked about it before already.
00:21.0
Ngayon mga kabatas natin, yun nga, nabasa nyo naman na yung title dyan.
00:25.7
Itong si Robin Padilla, mga kabatas natin, ay nag-object doon sa pag-cite in contempt nitong si Hontiveros.
00:37.3
Ngayon mga kabatas natin, syempre pag-aralan naman natin itong pinaglalaban kasi nila dito sa hearing na ito.
00:45.1
Alam nyo naman ako, ayun na ayoko talaga itong hearings in aid of legislation
00:51.4
because I think it's being abused.
00:55.7
Pero, let's talk about that later.
01:00.4
Makitig muna tayo.
01:02.3
This was the hearing kanina.
01:03.8
And let's see kung meron na nga talaga silang may ipapasang batas
01:06.6
because of a hearing in aid of legislation.
01:11.2
Okay? Take it away, Senator Hontiveros.
01:14.4
Hontiveros sabi niya kasi dito.
01:23.3
Siya kasi napakinggan ko kanina.
01:26.4
Brief opening, dear friends.
01:29.5
There's been so much noise over the past few days.
01:33.5
Bakit nga ba pinapatawag ang isang makapangyarihang religious leader dito sa Senado?
01:41.0
Korte ba ang Committee on Women para pag-usapan dito ang mga bintang laban kay Apollo Kiboloy?
01:50.2
Mga kabatas natin, let's stop there muna.
01:53.0
Let's stop there muna.
01:54.3
Ang gusto ko rin kasing makita natin sa mga leaders natin, okay?
02:03.7
Sa mga leaders natin, e yung pagiging fair nila to everyone.
02:08.6
Yung walang double standards.
02:10.8
Anong ibig sabihin?
02:12.0
Kasi nga, mga kabatas natin, magkakaroon na talaga ng malaking problema
02:15.5
kung yung ibang tao kinocontempt tapos wala kang angal,
02:19.1
isa ka pa sa mga nagmove para makontempt sila
02:21.6
o nagse-second demotion.
02:23.5
Narinig natin yan kay Sen. Robin Padilla noon, mga kabatas natin.
02:30.0
Tapos, dun sa iba, hindi.
02:35.2
Pinaliwanag ko na sa inyo yan noon pa.
02:37.7
It's best to be consistent.
02:42.5
Consistent with your values.
02:45.8
Consistent with your ethical standards.
02:51.6
Opo, medyo matal.
02:54.1
Hindi ko tuloyan naman kung ano.
02:59.3
Lami po na naman ang tumatawag sa atin nito sa social media
03:02.8
simula ng investigasyong ito
03:05.0
para ipatawag ang, para sa kanyang mga followers,
03:09.3
glorified son of God.
03:14.0
Appointed son of God.
03:17.1
Hindi po glorified son of God.
03:23.5
hindi po yung glorified sa appointed.
03:27.5
Anyway, hindi na ako magjo-joke tungkol doon.
03:29.4
Baka maging blasphemous pa.
03:32.1
Ang sabi po ni Ginongki Buloy
03:33.6
at kanyang mga tagapagsalita,
03:36.5
nilabag natin ang karapatan niya
03:44.8
The right to be heard.
03:47.1
In fairness naman dito kay Honti Veros,
03:53.5
tatawagin mo siya
03:55.5
sa kapulungan na yan
04:06.9
ang due process eh,
04:08.0
right to be heard.
04:10.5
You hear before you condemn.
04:12.8
Yun yung due process.
04:15.7
So, puntos ni Honti Veros yun.
04:19.7
sa proposed senate resolution pa lang daw,
04:25.2
I wish to remind the pastor
04:28.4
and those who speak for him
04:30.7
that written and oral reports
04:34.1
in the course of our duties
04:37.3
Tignan nyo, tignan nyo.
04:38.9
Ito rin kasi ang issue ko dito.
04:40.9
Dito sa keynote niya.
04:42.0
Mukhang hindi niya naintindihan,
04:43.5
mga kabatas natin, no?
04:44.8
Mukhang hindi niya naintindihan.
04:46.3
Pakinggan nyo, ha?
04:46.8
I wish to remind the pastor
04:48.3
and those who speak for him
04:50.6
that written and oral reports
04:53.5
Written and oral reports
05:00.0
Sino yung mga legislators?
05:02.0
Ito yung mga senators
05:04.6
ng House of Representatives.
05:09.3
The course of our duties
05:10.7
are protected speech.
05:14.4
They are protected speech.
05:18.0
if I'm not mistaken,
05:19.6
parliamentary immunity.
05:21.8
Pero, mga kabatas natin,
05:23.5
yung mga witnesses
05:24.6
na pre-present ba nila dito,
05:32.3
I-vote nyo rin si Rebilliam.
05:35.8
Tignan nyo nangyayari
05:36.9
sa Pilipinas ngayon, no?
05:39.1
Yun ang tanong ko sa inyo,
05:40.6
mga kabatas natin.
05:42.9
Yung mga witnesses ba
05:44.4
na pre-present nila dito,
05:47.7
they are the ones
05:55.0
ang parang pinaka
05:56.6
matikas lang naman dito
06:00.7
pagbibintang dito sa Senado
06:04.1
Senador si Rafi Tulfo eh.
06:08.3
mga kabatas natin,
06:09.2
may mga accusations kay Kiboloy
06:11.9
galing sa mga legislators.
06:14.9
protected speech?
06:17.0
According dun sa kinote niya.
06:18.6
Of course, it's not.
06:19.8
Because it's not from a red legislator.
06:24.9
a resource person.
06:28.6
kailangan siguro nilang
06:33.2
Kasi pati doon sa
06:37.2
interpretasyon nila dito eh.
06:43.0
that written and oral reports
06:45.6
in the course of our duties
06:47.8
are protected speech
06:57.6
from legislators.
07:02.2
and members of the House.
07:17.1
Representative ba
07:18.2
ng public yung mga witnesses
07:25.1
ng hindi magaganda
07:27.6
I'm being fair here, ha?
07:29.1
I also don't like
07:31.4
and you know that
07:33.0
But this is batas natin
07:34.4
and we have to be fair.
07:36.8
I'm trying my best
07:39.4
Alam ko, marami naman
07:40.2
magsasabi sa akin.
07:41.2
Oh, bakit mo ano?
07:44.2
at inaano si Kibuloy
07:47.7
Ang kritisize ko yung
07:50.2
It is not in relation
07:51.4
to the witnesses.
07:53.4
in relation to them
07:54.5
as members of the Senate
08:00.4
Discharge his public trust
08:02.6
representative of the public
08:05.0
to discharge his public trust
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indispensably necessary
08:12.4
that he should enjoy
08:13.9
the fullest liberty
08:15.9
and that he should be
08:18.6
from the resentment
08:23.3
to whom the exercise
08:26.4
may occasion offense.
08:33.4
to members of the Congress,
08:37.5
members of the House.
08:42.5
pre-represent nyo dito
08:43.5
and not to resource persons
08:44.9
because they are not
08:45.8
representatives of the people.
08:51.0
hindi po pwede na
08:56.4
si Apollo Quiboloy
08:57.9
ay hindi na siya haharap
09:03.5
dapat rin siyang humarap
09:04.6
kung pinatawag siya dito
09:05.8
like everyone else.
09:12.1
this is subject to abuse din
09:17.7
That is not the ruling
09:20.3
Senate Blue Ribbon Committee.
09:22.0
That is not the ruling
09:25.7
Yes, I agree with you.
09:28.1
I agree with you,
09:30.2
But you are misquoting it.
09:33.7
is not the speech.
09:34.9
Ang problema ko lang talaga
09:37.0
na galing sa bungangan
09:45.5
pinakamatinde dito
09:46.8
na mag-berate ng tao,
10:00.2
pwedeng may apply sa kanya yun.
10:04.2
Pati yung mga batas
10:07.1
applicable to witnesses
10:15.8
that's not the proper venue.
10:19.7
Mga senatorang may immunities.
10:21.9
Parliamentary immunity.
10:23.1
Yan ang tawag doon.
10:23.9
not the witnesses.
10:27.6
Senate Blue Ribbon Committee.
10:29.9
In both these cases,
10:32.3
the individuals involved
10:33.8
Sabi ni Goldie Fish,
10:36.2
talaga ba kailangan magpunta sa Senado
10:37.9
kung pagpinatawag?
10:39.1
Sabi nga ni Cubuloy,
10:39.9
hindi naman daw korte ang Senado.
10:41.8
Well, hindi naman kasi sila
10:42.9
nandun para maglitis.
10:44.0
Nandun sila para gumawa ng batas.
10:45.7
At papaliwanag din niya mamaya
10:48.9
Pag-uusapan din natin yan.
10:53.1
In at least one hearing.
10:56.4
Humarap na sa Senado
10:57.8
ang isang former president,
11:00.4
ang isang sitting
11:01.6
Senate president,
11:03.4
ang madaming mga general.
11:06.2
Just last Congress,
11:08.0
humarap ang dalawang
11:09.5
sitting Executive Secretary
11:11.9
si Ginong Vic Rodriguez
11:17.6
Humarap na din ang religious leaders
11:20.1
kung naalala po natin
11:23.1
Sabi ni Brutal Noodles,
11:24.5
sa dami ng hearing
11:25.8
na nagginagawa nila,
11:28.1
I haven't heard any loss
11:29.6
na napasa dahil dyan.
11:31.1
Early campaign na lang
11:33.8
Tignan natin kasi may mga
11:34.8
sasabihin siyang batas eh
11:35.8
and we will wait for it.
11:38.6
kaya wala po tayong pinag-uusapan
11:41.1
na religious freedom
11:44.8
Like executive privilege,
11:47.3
religious freedom
11:48.3
cannot be invoked
11:50.1
to evade liability.
11:58.3
Ang tanong ko rin dito,
11:59.9
bakit liability agad
12:01.1
kung pinapatawag mo pa lang?
12:06.0
Medyo hindi kasi nila
12:07.1
maintindihan, I guess,
12:08.9
purpose ng contempt.
12:12.9
Yung purpose ng contempt dito
12:14.5
is because you disrespected
12:15.9
the Senate proceedings.
12:18.8
Hindi ibig sabihin
12:19.6
na may liability sila.
12:25.4
hindi nila rin respeto
12:36.3
Sabi ni Clown Prince TV,
12:38.3
sobrang yaman ng Pilipinas
12:39.8
pero nauubos ang pera
12:41.2
sa sobrang daming hearing
12:42.6
na hindi naman nakakatulong.
12:45.6
I agree with you.
12:50.4
Inquiry lang po yan.
12:51.5
Walang criminal liability.
12:52.6
Kaya nga hindi ko rin,
12:54.3
hindi rin ako approved dun
12:55.3
sa ginamit niyang term na liability.
12:58.8
Oh, Teacher Mark,
13:01.5
hindi sila hukuman.
13:03.6
They cannot determine
13:04.8
if someone is liable or not.
13:07.0
Yun lang sinasabi nila na contempt
13:08.4
kasi parang binastos
13:09.4
yung patawag nila.
13:11.1
There's no liability there
13:15.2
merong kang pananagutan
13:17.6
It's only because
13:18.6
you disrespected them
13:19.8
kaya nga may contempt na gano'n.
13:22.6
Sabi ni Hides din.
13:26.9
not accused katuning.
13:32.9
Para sa mga paratang sa kanya.
13:35.5
Dahil hindi kami huwes.
13:38.8
So you cannot determine
13:39.9
the liability of a person there.
13:41.9
Trabaho yan ang ating legal process.
13:45.9
nagpapasalamat po ako
13:49.3
sa binalitang pagsampa
13:52.4
Qualified Trafficking
13:56.7
Meron ng Qualified Trafficking
14:00.9
Sabi niya mas maigi ata
14:01.8
diretso na sa proper
14:02.6
form yan, attorney.
14:03.8
Huwag na sa Senado.
14:04.9
Yun din sana ang gusto ko eh.
14:12.6
naipapasang batas.
14:14.4
Kaya lang ang problema
14:15.4
wala pa nga tayong nakikita
14:16.4
ang naipasang batas
14:20.1
in need of legislation.
14:22.1
Sabang kay Apollo Kibuloy.
14:26.1
kapangyarihan ng Senado
14:29.4
ang sino man na hindi kumikilala
14:32.4
sa kapangyarihan ng Senate
14:34.5
na maglunsad ng mga
14:37.8
Kasama ang hindi pagdalo sa
14:39.6
investigasyon despite a valid
14:43.9
It is very simple.
14:45.8
The power of the Senate to conduct
14:47.7
investigations in aid of
14:49.8
legislation has long been
14:52.1
unsettled by the Supreme Court.
14:54.8
Meron naman talaga sila ng power na yan.
14:56.8
O, ito, papakita ko sa inyo, ito.
14:58.8
Kibuloy to face trafficking child abuse
15:02.1
rap, sabi ng DOJ.
15:04.1
Sabi niya na, ah,
15:08.1
the DOJ recommended filing of
15:10.1
charges of child abuse
15:12.1
and human trafficking against doomsday preacher
15:18.1
nagkaroon ng petition for review
15:20.1
sa case ni Kibuloy.
15:22.1
Dinismiss dati ng Office of the
15:24.1
City of Prosecutor of Davao.
15:26.1
Ito yung sinasabi nila, no? Ang nangyari
15:28.1
kasi dito, nag-file sila sa Davao,
15:30.1
tapos may accusation nga sila
15:34.1
may hawak itong si
15:36.1
prosecutor, o malakas, eh, sorry, sorry.
15:38.1
Malakas itong si Kibuloy. May
15:40.1
accusation sila na malakas itong si Kibuloy
15:42.1
doon sa Davao, kaya na-dismiss.
15:44.1
Tapos nag-file nga sila ng
15:46.1
petition for review sa DOJ,
15:48.1
binaliktad. Okay?
15:50.1
Binaliktad yung kaso, tapos ngayon,
15:51.9
na-recommend yung filing. Ito yung
15:53.9
tinatawag nilang probable cause. So, may
15:55.9
probable cause na. Doon sa kaso ko, ganun din.
15:57.9
Nagkaroon ng dalawang probable cause.
16:01.9
O, ito. I-update ko sa inyo.
16:03.9
Kayo doon eventually. Ang kasong ito ay dumating
16:05.9
sa department ngayong taong ito.
16:07.9
Four years na itong nakabinbin dito.
16:09.9
Four years? Grabe. Yung
16:11.9
isa't kalahating taon na nasa ilalim
16:13.9
namin, kaya binantayan namin ng husto
16:15.9
at lumalabas talaga rito ay meron
16:17.9
talagang kailangang panagutan si Pastor
16:19.9
Apolo Quiboloet ang kanyang mga kasama.
16:25.9
ibang ano na lang ito.
16:27.9
Ibang usapan na lang yan.
16:29.9
Tuloy natin ito dito para hindi tayo
16:35.9
Yes, even in the recent case
16:37.9
of Lincoln Ong versus
16:39.9
Senate Blue Ribbon Committee,
16:41.9
where the Supreme Court ab-
16:43.9
Yung Lincoln Ong, mga kabatas natin, yan yung
16:47.9
held the right to due process
16:51.9
actually attended the hearing,
16:53.9
the power of the Senate to
16:55.9
investigate and to cite in
16:57.9
contempt was actually
16:59.9
confirmed. Oo, pero sinabi.
17:01.9
Pero sinabi rin dito, it should be
17:03.9
in relation to the process.
17:07.9
with due process din, sabi rin
17:09.9
doon, with the right to be heard din.
17:11.9
Okay? Sinabi rin ng Supreme Court yun.
17:13.9
Sabi pong, in aid of
17:15.9
legislation, ibig sabihin po
17:17.9
ay makakatulong sa
17:19.9
magpapaganda ng mga batas
17:23.9
Frozen Star, the Senate cannot determine
17:25.9
liability of a person, but they can
17:27.9
determine the liability of an action.
17:29.9
Ano yung liability ng action?
17:31.9
Liability of an issue?
17:33.9
Ano yung liability ng
17:35.9
pananagutan? Diba,
17:37.9
tama ba tayo nang
17:39.9
iniisip, Frozen Star, na ang
17:41.9
Tagalog ng liability ay
17:45.9
So kung tatagulugin ko
17:47.9
yung sinasabi mo,
17:49.9
the Senate, ang Senado ay hindi
17:53.9
ano bang i-determine? Alamin.
17:55.9
Hindi kayang alamin ng
17:57.9
Senado ang pananagutan
17:59.9
ng isang tao. Pero
18:01.9
kaya nilang alamin
18:03.9
yung pananagutan ng isang
18:07.9
pananagutan ng isang issue,
18:09.9
at pananagutan ng isang idea.
18:11.9
Paano nagkaroon ng
18:13.9
pananagutan ng isang action,
18:17.9
at saka ang isang idea?
18:23.9
Medyo hindi ko kaya maintindihan.
18:33.9
Senate can determine if he is
18:35.9
guilty. Nandyan yung boy, Genius na Judge.
18:37.9
Si Genius, hindi lang
18:39.9
guilty. Sobrang guilty.
18:41.9
Iko-correct lang kita, Sendong.
18:43.9
Hindi lang guilty
18:45.9
ang inaano ni Genius na Judge.
18:47.9
Hindi lang guilty.
18:53.9
May pinapakitang kakulangan
18:55.9
sa mga batas natin
18:57.9
na kailangan ng tugon.
18:59.9
Ito yung tama, no?
19:01.9
Mga pananagutan sa batas natin.
19:03.9
Correct itong sinasabi. Ay,
19:05.9
kulang sa batas natin, pananagutan.
19:07.9
Yung mga kulang sa batas
19:11.9
Apat na po agad ang lumabas
19:13.9
na punto sa ating hearing
19:15.9
tungkol sa possible
19:17.9
policy and legislative
19:19.9
aspect ng hearing na ito.
19:21.9
O, ito yung gusto kong pakinggan
19:23.9
nyo, ha? At aabangan
19:25.9
natin ito sa kanila.
19:29.9
Ang posibleng kakulangan ng ating
19:33.9
sa legal treatment ng konsepto
19:37.9
Rape law in relation
19:39.9
to consent daw. O, so aabangan
19:43.9
Is it meaningful consent pagpumayag
19:45.9
ang isang diumanong victim
19:47.9
dahil sa paniniwalang
19:49.9
sakripisyon niya ito
19:51.9
sa anak ng Diyos?
19:57.9
ano yan, eh? Supreme Court ang
19:59.9
magdideside dyan. Kasi that is
20:01.9
already, I guess, an interpretation
20:03.9
of the law, eh. Interpretation
20:05.9
of the word consent. If it
20:07.9
is valid consent,
20:09.9
kapag ang isang tao
20:21.9
within the purview of
20:23.9
the Supreme Court already. I don't
20:25.9
think that needs legislation.
20:29.9
pag sinabi ng Supreme Court na hindi valid
20:31.9
yung consent na yan, kasi that
20:33.9
requires presentation of evidence, eh.
20:35.9
Facts, eh. Siyempre, iba-iba
20:37.9
yung facts of the case dyan.
20:39.9
Pangalawa, sa ating labor
20:43.9
tignan ang ating labor code
20:45.9
ang labor activities na di
20:47.9
umano ay voluntary
20:51.9
pag hindi sumunod?
20:59.9
Sa tingin ko, korte rin yan. Pwede rin
21:01.9
si Dolly yan at Supreme Court
21:03.9
eventually mapunta yan.
21:05.9
Kasi ang question
21:11.9
they are considered employees.
21:15.9
siyempre, pwede rin naman kasi talagang
21:17.9
well, oo, pwede rin idaan sa legislation
21:21.9
Gumawa kayo ng amendment
21:25.9
maglagay kayo ng parte doon
21:31.9
considered as regular
21:33.9
employees sila. Kaya lang
21:35.9
if the Supreme Court made a decision there
21:37.9
na sinabi na nila na ah
21:39.9
they are considered as regular employees
21:41.9
if they are permitted to work.
21:43.9
Ako nga, ako nga, sa tingin ko, sabi ko
21:47.9
hindi na kailangan ng batas dyan eh. I think
21:49.9
it is already provided by law
21:53.9
permitted or required
21:55.9
to work, yun ang ginawa ng batas
21:57.9
natin na ano eh, na
21:59.9
terminology eh. You are an employee.
22:01.9
So itong nandi dito sila
22:03.9
na nagtatrabaho ng ganyan, I guess
22:05.9
they're not volunteers anymore, but they
22:11.9
I think they are already employees.
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Sa tingin ko, hindi na rin kailangan ng legislation
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dyan. Hindi na kailangan.
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Ay hindi na sakop ng mga batas
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safety and labor standards?
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sakop pa rin kasi yun nga eh.
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You have to establish employer-employee
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relationship and you can establish it
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employing someone or
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requiring someone or permitting someone to.
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That's not going to work.
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Pangatlo ay ang trafficking
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sa ilalim ng anti-trafficking
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ang mga acts of forced begging
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expanded human trafficking act.
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di ba? Human trafficking
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na yun eh. But is
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religious freedom
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a complete defense
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against charges of trafficking
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Complete defense?
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I think religious
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freedom cannot be defense
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if it is expressly
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provided for by law.
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Pwedeng maging defense yung religious
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Although it is illegal for
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of course not all,
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kasi nga pwedeng maging exempt
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religious significance yung
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pagkatay o pagkain nila ng aso.
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should be provided for by law.
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Ngayon, if it was not provided
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then there's no defense.
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Na you can engage in human trafficking
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for religious purposes.
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I don't think walang ganon.
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siyempre correct me. Pero
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defense in human trafficking.
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pagkain ng aso tulad nga nang sinabi ko eh.
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If it's for a religious or cultural purpose,
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Do we need a separate law against
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religious violence
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o yung mga ibat-ibang uri
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konteksto ng isang simbahan
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Sa tingin ko dito medyo swak siya.
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Kasi ang question na kailangan ba natin
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In my opinion, we don't need that.
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Kasi meron naman eh.
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Kasi nga, you will take it out of
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the context of the religion.
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Ang nangyayari kasi doon
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done in furtherance of
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actually yung religion na yan
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yan doon sa mga ganong klaseng
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ginagawang front lang yan.
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Front lang yung religion.
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Ang habol talaga nila,
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katulad ng mga maraming kulto
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sa Amerika, mga kabatas natin,
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dito rin sa Pilipinas,
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ang habol nila unang una kung hindi
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mang-abuso ng babae,
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mang-olekta ng pera.
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Dalawa lang naman eh.
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you don't need to give them
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a certain or specific
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kung saan magbebelong sila doon
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kasi katulad ng mga tao
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na nang i-scam gamit
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ang casino junket,
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ganon din yung ginagawa ng ibang tao
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na nang i-scam gamit
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Meron ding punto dito si Ced Free.
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Sabi niya, separation of church and state.
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Baka mahirapan ang congress
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sa paggawa niyan, magiging unconstitutional ang law.
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Tama. At Ced Free, tama.
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Tama rin yung application mo
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ng separation of church and state.
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Kasi nga sabi dito,
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no laws should be passed respecting
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Baka nga ito ay pwedeng makita
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na unconstitutional kasi nga
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or creating that particular law
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because of certain religions.
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Although siyempre
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parang hindi rin naman ganon yun.
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It's one of the obstacles.
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Socorro Bayanihan Services,
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halimbawa, may mga
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dalubahasa na ito ang
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panukala. Halimbawa,
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si Dr. Jail Cornelio.
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Sabi ni Matt Matt,
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hindi aabot ng 7 million
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members ni Pastor kung may ganon.
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Kalokohan niyang mga pinagsasabi nila, attorney.
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Marayt silang lumayas o tumiwalag
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kung di nila nagugustuhan ang
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pamumuno ni Pastor. Well, tama
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ka rin naman dyan, no? Pwede
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nga silang lumayas o tumiwalag.
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Pero ang problema kasi natin minsan
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when it comes to religion,
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nabubulag sa katotohanan.
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Tapos bukod dyan, after
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ka tumiwalag, may mga consequences
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doon sa mga, sa pagtiwalag mo
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sa iyo at saka sa pamilya mo.
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Yun minsan ang kinakatakot
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nila. Yung pagkatapos nilang tumiwalag eh.
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Kaya marami rin tao. Well, hindi ko naman
28:07.9
sinasabi na ganun doon sa kanila. Pero
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based on the studies I made
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kasi, yun, mahilig din
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akong mag-aral eh, magbasa
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tungkol sa mga kulto. Yan.
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Mga scam, mga kulto, mga
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kabatas natin, magkadikit
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yan. Magkadikit yan.
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kulto ang gumagamit
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ng scam para kumita.
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Doon sila kumukuha
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ng kanilang mga pondo.
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Nononsense, may kilala ako, 27
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million subscribers, pero
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madami kalokohan. Ha!
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Sino yan? Sino yan?
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Pakilala mo naman sa amin para may
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kilala din kami, Nononsense.
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Who our committee
28:53.9
sought to invite? Sabi ni Goldie
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Fish, may death threat of blackmail
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kapag tumiwalag ka. Marami
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kasing ganun na kulto.
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habang sinisiyasat ng komite
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ang mga tanong na ito
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sa ilalim ng kanyang lehitimong
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pagkilos ng isang panig.
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galawan nila sa ating
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mga witness. Magbavlog
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libo ang natanggap
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ng ating mga witness.
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Eto, mga kabatas natin.
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Di pa tayo sa kabila.
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Let's start from there. Tapos
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tignan natin yung objection
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Robin Padilla. Okay?
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Yan. Maraming salamat mga kabatas natin.
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Di pa po tayo sa kabila. Siyempre tulog
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na lagi ang sinasabi. Matulog po tayo ng mahimbing
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dahil alam natin na yung natutulog ng mahimbing
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siya yung lagi yung panalo. Paalam po
