2827| Pag-ibig at Pera: Fun interview with Gretchen Ho, Angela Lagunzad and Shawn Yao
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Kung maaari na parang sa Social Enterprise, tama ba?
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Good evening, Gretchen.
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Good evening, John.
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Oo, magandang gabi sa'yo.
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Eh, una-una siguro, kaya nababanggit itong napaka-importanting topic.
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Eh, dahil maaaring maging source yan ng break-up ng engagement.
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If you ask my mother, yan ang magiging number one source.
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Pag tinanong mo, mami ko yan, ang sabihin niya sa'yo,
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huwag niyong pag-awayin yung pera.
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Vince, can you explain to us first what we just read,
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that if you have comparable spending patterns,
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that you have a bigger chance?
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Do you have a bigger chance of staying together in your marriage?
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Well, kung base yan dun sa research.
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Pero based on what I see, I think mayroong sense of insight dyan.
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Kasi usually lesser yung power dynamics.
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Kapag halos magkapareho yung economic status ng both partners.
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So, dun talaga nagkakaroon ng tension kapag mayroon tayong medyo significant disparity
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between the economic power of both partners.
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Kaya, early in the relationship pa lang, dapat talaga dinidisclose na natin
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kung ano yung mga financial situations natin.
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So, we do this slowly.
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Di ba nga, pag tayo nagde-date pa lang, meron ng ano yan?
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Economic dynamics yan.
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Kasi, sino magbabayad nung restaurant deal?
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So, as you move along in the relationship, dapat unti-unti nyo yung pinapalalim.
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Tapos, ako, ang suggestion ko talaga, bago ka pa mag-propose ng engagement,
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eh, tanong mo muna kung okay ba tayo sa prenup o hindi.
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Actually, talagang, nako, headline ngayon ang prenup, no, Vince?
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Pero, I understand.
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Medyo pareho kayo ng spending patterns.
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Obviously, di ba?
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Di, less talaga yung magiging banggaanin yung pagdating dyan.
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Ngayon, the thing is, Vince, in today's world, dami na nag-shift.
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We see housebuns now, na dati, laging mami lang yung nasa bahay.
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What happens then kung single person lang or one person lang yung nag-earn?
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Kung single income family kayo, how do you, like, work this out?
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Tapos, babae pa yung nag-earn.
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Oo, oo. Paano yun?
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Actually, if we take on that.
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If we take on all of these roles, maganda talaga na mapag-usapan siya, open communication, no,
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and we have to be, parang to accept the reality na ang housework, although, ano to, no, it's domestic,
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it is actually a very legit kind of work.
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Nako, subukan nyo kayo yung mag-alaga.
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Your women, no, ano, parang ang relegation parati, pag-aalaga ng mga bata.
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Pero ako, pinapatrya ko pag-alagahin ng mga bata.
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Hindi ko kaya, mahirap.
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So, serious na trabaho yun.
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So, what I usually advise for couples na yung isa earning at yung isa ay hindi earning,
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for example, ano, the earning person earns 50,000 pesos, for example.
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Itidivide yan equally dapat.
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So, iya-assign yung 25,000 doon sa partner A and then 25,000 doon sa partner B.
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And then, ang gagawin ay pag-uusapan nila, ano ngayon yung kanilang common financial responsibilities and obligations.
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Short term and long term.
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So, for example, na-identify nila na, ah, okay, 40,000 pesos pala yan every month.
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So, both sides will now give 20,000 pesos each.
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Tapos, yung magtitira na 5,000 will serve as parang financial independence ng bawat partner, ano.
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Kasi maganda that in a relationship, mayroong concept ng I, you, at saka we.
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So, napapreserve yun, ano.
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Ah, we-we na lang parate or tayo na lang ng tayo.
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Kasi dapat napapreserve pa rin natin ang ating identity, both financially and even in our personhood.
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Oo, totoo yan, sir.
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Kasi kami, nung asawa ko pa nag-uusapan na meron kaming joint, pero meron din kaming sarili-sarili namin.
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And, di ba, we're allowed to spend it the way we want to spend it too.
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But, ang tanong dito, kasi I've heard a lot of stories na rin na talagang pag-usapin ng pera sa mag-couple, di ba, mag-asawa,
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Awkward pa rin, ano.
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Papano ba na i-open yung discussion na yun kayong mag-partner na pag-usapan natin yung financial status natin?
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And how transparent can you get?
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Well, choice ninyong...
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Choice ninyong dalawa yan, ano.
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Kasi it also depends on your level of trust.
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Pero, ang maganda pa rin dyan talaga ay mag-set aside kayo ng time.
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So, talagang pag-usapan nyo na, okay, at this time...
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Tapos na to, pag-uusapan natin yan.
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And ilalabas natin lahat yung mga issues and concerns natin.
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And ang dapat na goal natin dyan is to work out mga kinks or mga challenges.
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And, in fact, itong mga ganitong pagkakataon, these are actually opportunities for the couple to deepen their relationship, ano, na pagtibayan pa ang kanilang relationship.
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Kasi, doon naman sa research na ginawa namin, ano, no, pag...
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At tinanong namin, ano yung pinakadahilan ng pag-aaway ng mag-partner?
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No, ma-uwi man ito sa paghihiwalay o hindi.
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And 60% of our respondents said it's because of money.
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Yung pangangaliwa ay 20% lang.
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Kaya, mahalagang bahagi talaga ito ng relationship.
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60% money, 20% chingay.
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Pero, teka, para sa mga singles.
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Anong maipapayo mo?
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Para sa akin, kung maari, gusto mo magtagal?
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Wala pa, gusto ko magtagal.
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Sa aking pagkakasalan, I want, you know, less arguments.
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Should I marry someone of similar financial capability or somebody more successful?
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What would you have to say to that?
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Naku, Gretchen, ano, hindi talaga natin makakontrol ang ating puso.
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Pag tumibok yan, kahit sino pa yan.
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Kahit sino ka pa.
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Hindi, pero practicalan. Practicalan tayo, di ba?
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Parang, ngayon, okay kami, siyempre.
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Pag kinasal na, the goggles are off and the reality set in when the, ano yan, rubber hits the road.
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Dapat nga ba, tama ba?
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Yung sinasabi nila, dapat pakasalan mo, mas successful sa'yo para hindi nati-threaten yung ego ng lalaki.
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I mean, paano yun?
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Oo. I think, ano to, no, dapat lundagin natin yung pagtingin sa relationship na ito ay economic power play lang parati.
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Kasi marami pang aspeto yan.
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Although nirecognize talaga natin na importante yung pera, no?
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So kung mas, mas, tingin mo, sasaya ka sa isang tao na mas successful kaysa sa iyo, choice mo yan.
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Pero at the end of the day, ang gagawin nyo pa rin talaga ay kung kayo ay magkakasundo sa mga priorities ninyo sa buhay at sa mga financial values ninyo.
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At yun yung mas mahalaga.
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To make a decision, no, not to stay together.
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And grow together in the relationship, financial or otherwise.
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Basta ako masipag.
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Dapat dinideclare yung monthly income sa'yo.
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How important is transparency, no?
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Is it so important, Vince, na before tayong mag-asawa, before we tie the knot, dapat ba alam ko exactly how much my partner is making?
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Let's say both of us are working and both of us are earning.
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Is it really so important?
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Kung pwede naman nating saraduhin, mag-prenup na lang tayo bago tayong magkasal?
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Sa ibang mga tao kasi mayroon talagang importance na may space ako na ako lang yung nakakaalam.
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Sa iba naman, gusto talaga nila ay full disclosure.
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Pero whatever your choice is, ang guideline talaga na gagawin natin dyan ay, again, working out towards a common goal.
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So maganda, actually, before you get married, mag-financial disclosure.
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Closure muna kayo ng prospective partner mo.
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Ang mga importanteng aalamin mo dyan, may utang ba siya?
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Kasi, naku, utang, malaking problema yan kung may utang, bad utang ba yan or good utang.
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Tapos titignan din natin yung mga financial obligations and commitments niya, current or in the future.
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Kasi baka yung aasawahin mo ay nakapangako sa mga magulang niya na siya yung mag-aalaga sa kanila or magpapaaral ng mga kapatid niya.
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At natanggapin yun, no?
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At dapat, ready rin na i-disclose yun.
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Kasi, financial infidelity ay mahirap-hirap yan.
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Gaya nga ng research natin, di ba?
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Mas napag-aawayan ang pera kaysa sa pangangaliwa.
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Financial infidelity.
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Uy, may piling ganun, ha?
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Mamaya may bisyo ka or something, tas di mo sinasabi, di ba?
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Hindi naman laging ibang babae lang.
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Pero ano nga ba yung indicators?
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What should we watch out for to really know the values, financial values of a possible partner?
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So, to be financially compatible, hindi naman kinakailangan na tayo ay pareho, no?
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Na pareho ng economic level o pareho ng gusto or ng mga needs and wants natin, ano?
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But I think what makes it more exciting ay kung mawari, opposite kayo.
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Pero you make it a point to meet halfway and compromise and you appreciate that dynamics, no?
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And you take that as an opportunity for your relationship to get more rooted
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So, yun yung sa akin na tinitignan ko dyan, no?
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Ang relationship talaga, hindi tayo humahanap ng tugma sa yaman natin,
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pero humahanap tayo ng tugma sa financial values at saka sa priorities natin sa ating mga life goals.
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Vince, do you give seminars, no?
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Sakaling may nanunood ngayon.
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Mag-Valentine's pa naman next week.
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But sakali lang may nanunood ngayon na nagkaka-encounter ng problems in the relationship,
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that is monetary as a root.
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Yung root cause niya ay monetary.
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Meron ka bang seminar na pwedeng enrollan?
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Parang counseling, gano'n?
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Actually, every month, meron kaming webinar.
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This coming Saturday, 8 o'clock to 10 p.m.,
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ang webinar natin is about fortifying and building your investment portfolio.
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So, if you want to know more about this, pumunta lang sila sa vincerapisura.com slash webinars.
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So, nandun na lahat yung...
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I mean, we've been talking about literacy this whole episode of this show.
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How is the financial literacy of Filipinos?
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I know that's also a sore point.
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But in your going around the Philippines, what have you discovered?
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And how can we also improve on that?
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So, in terms of financial literacy, mababa talaga.
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There was a study that we replicate na ginawa ng standard and poor.
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And when we usually do this,
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ay same pa rin yung lumalabas.
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So, they did it in 2015, 25% of Filipinos are financially literate.
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At pag inuulit namin ito, when we do our research,
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nandyan pa rin siya, no?
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About 25 to 30% lang yung financially literate.
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Pero ako, ang na-observe ko rin ay,
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Filipinos are marunong naman tayong mag-save at mag-invest.
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Ang kulang lang talaga ay economic opportunities and employment opportunities
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at yung challenge ng pagtaas ng presyo ng mga biglang.
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So, yung literacy is one point, pero another point also is the environment,
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the enabling environment for people to be economically empowered.
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Talaga naman, napaka-hirap ng realidad natin.
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Inaral din namin yung sa microfinance na magaling magbayad ng utang
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yung mga maliliit na naglo-loan.
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At magaling tayo mag-cash flow manage, di ba?
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Yung budget, ganyan.
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Pero magaling point yun, opportunity.
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Economic opportunities.
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It's also brought out by illiteracy.
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Pagka hindi mo naintindihan, hindi ka marunong mag-invest.
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May corruption, may ganto, charter change.
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Totoo, kasama na.
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Tanong ko lang, mabilis lang kay Profa, no?
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Kasi since Valentine's is just around the corner,
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gaano baka laki dapat yung sinispendo or ginagasos ng couple
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when it comes to occasions like this?
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So, sa akin, itong mga paggasos na ito ay,
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these are wants kasi, hindi siya need.
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the sky is the limit as long as you use your passive income.
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Meaning, you use income from your investments, no?
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Either from rent, dividends, capital gains, royalties, or pension.
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Yung pinagagalingin niya.
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Hindi sa active income.
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Kaya kung magdedate ka at ito ay luxurious, no?
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ay dapat mag-create ka muna ng investment portfolio
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that will create the passive income
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bago ko sasabihin na yan dapat yung...
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Invest muna bago maging...
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Sweet, prodigy, lover.
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Yan nga yung sinasabi ni Prof, diba?
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Na dapat pareho kayo eh, compatible kayo.
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Kasi kung pareho kayo, huwag na, sayang pera yung Valentine's,
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O, kaya wala pa akong love life eh.
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Kasi ano eh, invest muna, diba?
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Gretchen, advice lang, no?
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Minsan, invest lang sa sarili.
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Invest sa sarili.
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Iki-invest ko sa property.
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Alright, wala na tayong oras tonight.
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Pero thank you so much, no?
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Professor Vince Rapisura,
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financial guru and president of
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Social Enterprise Development Partnerships Incorporated
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for sharing some tips and insights with us tonight.
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Okay, bago tayo mag-goodbye,
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Pero good news lang ito
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para sa mga jet-setters na dessert lovers din.
