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Wala namang ipapakita na listahan. Yun din ang dinidihin noong House Committee.

Dapat meron listahan, sabi ni Sekretary Galvez. Ang listahan ay doon sa Independent Decommissioning Body.

The last Senate hearing, makita natin na dumalo yung head ng body na yun, independent ito.

So in the process, nasabi nila ay confidential. Siguro hindi maganda yung word confidential.

Dahil ang importante dito, identity. Sino ba talaga ang nagdecommission? Hindi natin gusto marinig yung word surrender.

Ang gusto natin marinig, siya ay bumalik na sa aluoban ng magandang loob na pagbalik sa mainstream society natin.

Because yun ang tinatawag na normal. Hindi normal yung pagkaribelde.

I remember the study that was done by I.E. Coronel about that process.

And she documented the same in that particular process.

And then I can understand why they would not want to release the names of their members as a rebel force.

Because the NBA does the same. In the negotiations I was involved in, one of the conditions of Joma was,

we cannot give you the names of our combatants until all of this is over or else their lives will be...

So I can understand that.

But there has to be...

Some credible guarantee that the 40,000 or whatever number of weapons they profess to have will be decommissioned.

Because they're the ones who put forward that number.

Okay. And yes, we are in the last phase.

But what is happening is, in the last phase, the number of weapons are not equivalent to the number of combatants supposed to be decommissioned.

So we either have to accept the fact that it won't happen anymore.

And that was why I was...

I was suggesting probably, as Dr. Mike said, decommissioning is probably as it has been undertaken.

It's not the way to go.

So our position was, from a long time ago, was, why did we ever even include a decommissioning component?

When actually everyone, every Filipino is supposed to have the right to own weapons.

Up to 50, under the new law, up to even 15 weapons.

And now Filipino citizens...

They don't even have the right to carry weapons outside their homes.

And yet say that the MILF combatant is decommissioned.

We'll have to surrender all these weapons.

So we have to accept the fact that Mindanao will continue to have weapons.

What we want is that those weapons are properly registered.

That they can be traced if they're used for nefarious purposes.

And if that is the case, then we can say that, okay, fine, that is what Dr. Mike has said.

Let's look at the other positive things in this peace process.

That people seem to be neglecting the input of socioeconomic benefits into different communities.

Or, you know, what's this?

Rights, new laws that are created on land, etc.

Rather than your so-called...

Kaya lang, let's always remember that this was part of the agreement they signed.

This was part of the social contract they made.

And that is understandable.

But why a lot of Filipinos are angry is because they thought that this would happen.

This was a promise made to the Filipino people and the rest.

That part of this would be a decommissioning of weapons.

But that is the ugly truth, no?

Yung isong 40,000 na yan, lumabas na sa Senate hearing.

Nakabatay lang yung isang sulat na ipinadala ni Chair Moran sa government,

indicating na ito yung bilang namin.

Wala kong alam ng proseso ng pag-kumpirma niyang 40,000 na yan.

Ilang beses nang hiningi yung listahan ng 40,000 na yan, pero wala pang lumalabas na talagang listahan.

Yung sinasabi ni William Hovland, yung Norwegian na nando sa Senado,

na meron silang listahan, ay yung listahan ng mga taong nakatanggap lang.

Hindi yung buong 40,000.

Iliwanag natin yun.

Pangalawa, maraming itinanong.

Mami, babalikan ko yun.

Yung mga tinanong hindi sa quality ng mga firearms,

eh marami rin problema doon.

Kasi karamihan doon, eh unserviceable na.

Bagamat sinasabi nila, serviceable pa.

Pagpaliwanag ko later yun.

In short, dahil sa hindi maliwanag yung 40,000,

hindi rin maliwanag kung saan nang galing yung from the 40,000, 12,000 ng DT Commission,

at doon sa 12,000, yung kalahati lang actually,

ay nagkakasagutan ng MILF.

Kasi yun lang raw ang pag-aari nila.

Kalahati nun ay pag-aari raw ng mga kombatant at wala silang,

hindi nilang madidecommission yun sa bawat kombatant yun.

Because of all of these agreements…

Sorry lang for cutting off.

Yung punto na yun. Hindi ba splitting hairs yun?

Yes, correct.

It is actually the biggest problem.

In fact, Christian,

water…

What I am amazed is that the government knew that this was a problem from long ago.

Ang dami na nagtanong nito, sinalyze na sila ng kongreso, ilabas yung pangalan eh.

Imbis na sabihin nilang ganito talaga, wala pa yung pangalan, may proseso dyan,

ang pagmalalaman natin over time, ang ginawa in a stone wall, hindi nilabas.

Pangalawa, ang tagal nang tinatanong sa kanila,

bakit nga ganyan lang ang bilang ng barel in contrast to the number of supposed combatants?

Imbis na ibaliwanan nila, ito yung mga problema.

Ang ginagawa, stone wall left, di namin malilista ating faculty,

pinakamalaking, nababas nga nung hearing eh,

ang binigay na dahilan pa, dahilan rin sa mga sundalong,

pumunta sa labanan na walang barel,

naghihintay na may tumumba, tapos kukunin niya yung barel.

Have you heard a more ridiculous explanation

for the

lack of, you know,

walang consistency sa bilang ng members and bilang ng barel?

In short, it is really incredible.

It is not credible at all.

It is actually a big problem.

And what affolds me is that they did not even prepare an explanation

long before they went to the Senate.

Parang napaka-confident eh.

Kaya ang nangyari, ayun, sunod-sunod.

Tama yung lahat ng, actually, the irony of the situation is

tama yung lahat ng mga questions ni

si Senator Tulfo at saka yung questions ni Senator Aimee eh.

Magamating di nila alam ang context, no?

I'll give you another point.

Doon sa decommissioning ng mga barel na sinasabi.

Di ba sinabi nila doon sa Senate hearing,

lahat raw is serviceable, wala sa kanilang sira.

But they gave a different definition to what is serviceable eh.

I mean, the definition nila, there will be no unserviceable barel.

Kinignan mo, we are get-choose eh.

Of the firearms, nakita mo talaga.

Walang stock, walang barel, wala ng firing pin.

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