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00:00.0
I'm sure you will agree with me.
00:19.7
We only live once.
00:23.2
And if we ever have to suffer,
00:25.9
suffer only once.
00:27.7
Likewise, be sentenced only once.
00:32.2
Do not suffer twice
00:33.8
and be sentenced twice
00:36.2
for the same crime.
00:39.7
Suffering twice and be punished twice
00:41.6
means going through two courts.
00:46.3
The first, the Court of Public Opinion
00:49.0
at the Senate hearing.
00:51.5
Second, the Court of Proper Forum.
00:55.7
Binabasa ko lang ang barahang
00:57.3
hawak nitong beleaguered
00:58.8
at controversial na pastor
01:00.2
na si Apollo Kibuloy
01:01.4
ng Davao City.
01:04.2
Naumanoy nagmamayari
01:05.4
ng controversial na television network
01:08.0
ang SNNI.
01:11.1
Kaya habang patuloy
01:12.4
ang pag-snob, no-show,
01:14.0
or pagbabaliwala
01:16.9
itong si Kibuloy
01:18.5
sa imbitasyon ng Senado
01:20.4
sa Senate hearing laban sa kanya,
01:22.8
lalong nangigigil
01:24.3
sa galit
01:25.7
sa Senator Rizal.
01:27.3
Ang gusto mangyari
01:29.9
ni Senator Rizal Honteberos
01:31.7
mag-issue ng warrant of arrest
01:34.7
si Senator
01:35.8
Migs Subiri,
01:39.0
the Senate President,
01:40.2
laban kay Pastor Kibuloy
01:41.7
para obligahin na humarap
01:44.4
sa Senate hearing
01:47.1
at sagutin ng mga akusasyon
01:48.6
laban sa kanya.
01:51.9
May apat na senador
01:53.0
na hindi pumabor
01:54.6
sa hakbang ni Senator Rizal.
01:57.3
Sa Senator Robin Padilla,
02:01.4
Senator Aimee Marcos,
02:03.1
Senator Cincia Villar,
02:04.4
at Senator Bongo,
02:05.6
ang panglima.
02:09.5
Sa Senator JV Ejercito,
02:11.9
binawi ang kanyang desisyon
02:13.5
matapos mabasa
02:15.7
ang dokumento
02:17.4
at detalye
02:17.9
ng mga akusasyon
02:20.0
ng mga umanoy biktima
02:21.7
ni Kibuloy.
02:24.7
Kamakailan,
02:25.4
hinikayit ni Pangulong Bongbong
02:27.3
Marcos
02:27.8
na harapin
02:28.6
ni Pastor Kibuloy
02:31.6
ang hearing sa Senado
02:34.0
para magbigay
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ng kanyang panig.
02:38.1
Vuelta naman itong si
02:39.6
Kibuloy
02:41.4
kaya ayaw niya magpakita
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ay dahil may death threat
02:45.1
laban sa kanya
02:46.8
ang Estados Unidos,
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the United States Government
02:52.3
at alam daw ito
02:53.8
ni President Bongbong Marcos.
02:55.4
Pinagtawara nalang
02:57.7
ni President Bongbong Marcos
02:59.5
ang akusasyon ni Kibuloy
03:01.6
at
03:04.3
binaliwala
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bagkos
03:07.3
sinabi na ito,
03:08.9
humarap ka na.
03:10.7
Now let's go ahead
03:11.6
and do the analysis.
03:13.8
Follow me here.
03:15.5
Kung talagang magagaling
03:16.7
ang mga abogado
03:17.9
nitong si Kibuloy,
03:19.8
hindi nila papayagan
03:21.6
si Kibuloy na magpakita
03:23.3
o dumalo
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sa Senado.
03:25.4
Bakit?
03:27.1
Well, tutal,
03:28.3
kung lalabasan din naman
03:29.2
ng warrant of arrest
03:30.2
si Kibuloy
03:31.2
ng korte,
03:33.9
ay makukulong din naman siya
03:35.3
at malabo itong mga kapagpiansa.
03:38.7
Mabigat ang akusasyon
03:40.2
laban kay Kibuloy
03:42.9
na umunoy
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ng kanya mga biktima
03:45.7
sa Estados Unidos
03:46.6
at dito rin sa Pilipinas.
03:48.6
Ito mga kaso nyo rito,
03:49.7
qualified human trafficking,
03:53.1
child and sexual abuse.
03:55.4
Alam nyo mga boss,
04:00.9
kahit na magaling
04:02.7
ang mga abogado,
04:05.2
sabihin natin magagaling
04:06.3
ang mga abogado ni Kibuloy,
04:07.8
mahihirapan si Kibuloy
04:09.3
pagdating sa Senate hearing.
04:11.8
Bakit?
04:12.5
Hindi niya pwedeng dalhin
04:13.3
ang mga abogado
04:14.0
at umupo sa kanyang depensahan siya
04:15.5
dahil hindi ito hukuman eh.
04:18.8
Senate hearing.
04:20.0
Si Kibuloy mismo yung sasagot.
04:21.8
Si Kibuloy yung haharap
04:22.9
sa mga tanong
04:25.1
ng mga senador
04:25.8
sa Senate hearing.
04:28.0
Kaya pagdating sa Senado,
04:30.6
anything goes.
04:33.1
I-expose ka,
04:34.5
papahihain ka,
04:36.0
hindi ka basta-basta
04:36.7
makakapagsalita.
04:39.0
Limitadong iyong sagot.
04:41.6
Hindi ka patapos magsalita,
04:43.0
abay,
04:44.6
may kasunod na
04:45.3
habang binabara ka
04:46.7
at may kasunod pa agad na tanong.
04:49.8
So, mawawala yung
04:51.0
trained-up thoughts mo yan.
04:52.3
Now,
04:53.0
why I'm saying this?
04:53.7
Speaking through experience.
04:55.1
Maraming pwedeng ilabas
04:58.5
ng mga impormasyon
04:59.6
sa Senate hearing
05:00.4
na wala namang
05:02.3
saisay sa investigasyon.
05:04.3
Ito'y kumisa nangyayari
05:05.4
sa ibang mga Senate hearing.
05:07.5
At itingnan natin
05:08.4
posibleng mangyari dito to
05:09.6
kung nangyari sa iba.
05:10.7
Bakit hindi po pwede rito?
05:13.5
Mainit si
05:14.2
Senator
05:16.1
Riza Hontabero
05:17.5
sa pangi-snob
05:18.4
nitong si Kibuloy
05:19.6
sa patawag sa kanya
05:21.4
sa Senado.
05:22.6
Masahol dito
05:23.4
may say.
05:25.1
Ang mga Senador
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na magtanong
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ng kung ano-ano.
05:29.8
Anything.
05:31.2
Anything
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under the sun.
05:34.1
Alam mo yung may tanong
05:35.2
ng mga
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sarcasm.
05:38.5
Ito yung salitang
05:39.6
sarcasm
05:40.6
sa Ingles,
05:42.0
Tagalugi natin,
05:43.1
pangungutsa.
05:45.5
Tanong na cynical.
05:48.0
Tanong ng panlalait
05:49.4
dala ng puot
05:50.7
at inis.
05:52.3
Alam nyo na kung sino
05:53.0
magtatanong na ganyan.
05:55.1
Well,
05:56.3
may tanong na pamamahiya
05:57.8
or
05:58.2
siguro may halong insulto
06:00.3
pero, well,
06:01.5
disenting tanong,
06:03.1
madiing tanong,
06:04.0
lahat na yan.
06:04.9
Ika nga,
06:05.5
anything goes.
06:08.5
Well,
06:09.8
kapag hindi na gusto
06:11.0
nga ng sagot mo
06:12.2
ng mga Senador,
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tulad ng mga nakaraang
06:14.1
Senate hearing,
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pwede kang soplahin.
06:17.7
Pag sumabot ka
06:19.0
at medyo iba ang dating,
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abay kukuyugin ka,
06:22.0
dudurugin ka
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hanggat lumambot ka.
06:24.0
So,
06:25.1
nasa balwarte ka
06:27.1
ng mga
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Senador,
06:30.7
Senado,
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wala yan sa hukuman.
06:33.5
Magkaiba.
06:35.0
Although,
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nasa saligang batas,
06:36.5
may kapangyarihan
06:37.2
ng Senado
06:38.5
mag-imbita
06:39.2
ng mga resource person
06:40.9
sagutin
06:42.0
at hindi naman sila gumaganap
06:43.4
na parang,
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well,
06:45.8
hukuman
06:46.3
pero may karapatan sila
06:47.3
at pwede sila mag-issue
06:48.2
ng warrant of arrest.
06:49.7
Sakaling,
06:50.3
contempt.
06:51.2
Talagang
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magmamatigas.
06:54.0
O siguro,
06:54.5
iniisip ng
06:55.1
mga abogado
06:56.2
ay possibly
06:57.1
lalabasan ka rin
06:58.4
naman ng warrant.
07:00.9
At kung sakali,
07:03.1
nagtitimbang sila,
07:04.4
ganun din naman
07:04.9
kahihinatnan
07:05.6
or talagang
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maghihimas ka
07:07.5
ng matatabang rehas
07:08.4
habang dininiting
07:09.7
ang kaso
07:10.1
dahil wala namang
07:10.9
piyansa.
07:11.5
Sakaling kung ganun
07:12.1
ang mapupunta roon,
07:14.3
mahihirapan ka.
07:16.3
So,
07:17.5
the lesser pain
07:18.3
kung tawagin.
07:20.4
The lesser pain
07:21.4
would be the advice
07:23.4
na
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wag kang pumunta rin.
07:25.1
Kung kukuyugin ka,
07:26.3
mapapahiya ka.
07:28.2
Kaya,
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sinong magaling na abogado
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magsasabi,
07:30.8
sige,
07:31.8
pastor,
07:32.9
punta ka roon,
07:33.5
magpakita ka,
07:34.2
sagutin mo
07:34.8
ang mga tanong
07:35.4
ng mga senator.
07:37.7
Abay,
07:38.6
sinong magaling na abogado?
07:39.9
Kahit sinong abogado
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siguro.
07:42.0
For whatever reasons,
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gagawa na lang
07:45.3
sabihin,
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antayin na lang natin
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sa hukuman.
07:47.3
Tutal,
07:48.3
pareho rin naman
07:48.9
kahinat na niyan,
07:49.7
bandang dulo.
07:51.2
Hindi naman sila
07:51.7
magdidesisyon.
07:53.6
Babagsak ka rin naman
07:54.4
sa
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sa hukuman,
07:56.1
asasinado naman yan,
07:57.9
investigation,
07:59.0
investigation,
08:00.5
ay
08:00.9
alam na lang
08:03.8
abogado na
08:04.8
hindi yan yung proper forum.
08:06.9
Ang mga abogado
08:07.5
sanay sa hukuman.
08:09.0
Kapag nandiyan ka
08:09.6
sa senado,
08:10.2
wala kami magagawa,
08:11.1
mag-a-advise lang kami sa'yo.
08:12.5
Tumingin ka man sa amin,
08:13.4
bubulong ka,
08:13.9
baka mamaya,
08:14.5
mabuliya ba naman pa kami.
08:15.9
Dahil wala namang karapatan
08:17.1
na kami
08:17.4
uupo sa gilid mo
08:18.7
dahil hindi naman kami
08:19.3
ang subject.
08:20.8
Kaya,
08:21.2
sinong magaling na abogado
08:22.4
magsasabi,
08:23.5
sige,
08:24.6
alam na mga abogado,
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alam na mga legal expert
08:28.6
na kapag
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ikay pumunta
08:30.4
sa sinasabing
08:31.6
Senate hearing,
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it is what we call
08:34.5
the court of public opinion.
08:38.7
Masesintensyan ka
08:40.1
sa pamamagitan
08:41.0
ng perception,
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pananaw
08:43.1
ng mga publiko
08:44.1
base doon
08:45.9
sa the train of thoughts
08:47.5
at pagtatanong
08:48.4
ng mga senador
08:49.8
kung anong gusto nilang gawin
08:51.5
na ipalabas
08:52.7
yung mga bagay
08:53.4
na itatanong
08:54.6
nila
08:55.0
na hindi po pwedeng
08:57.0
itanong sa hukuman
08:58.1
kasi ibang pamamaran doon
08:59.4
kaya lang sa Senado
09:00.2
anything goes.
09:02.2
Ang problema rito,
09:05.0
well,
09:07.2
marami ba
09:07.6
nagsisimpatya
09:08.4
kay Kibuloy?
09:12.0
Ano bang
09:12.9
perception
09:13.4
ng publiko
09:14.4
kay Kibuloy?
09:15.7
The way I look at it,
09:17.3
50-50
09:18.1
ang laban
09:18.9
itong si Kibuloy
09:20.0
pagdating sa
09:20.7
court of public opinion
09:22.7
ng Senate hearing.
09:24.6
Ito rin naman
09:25.7
lamang
09:26.5
ang gagawin
09:27.8
ng mga senador
09:28.4
pagkatapos nila
09:29.3
mag-iimbestiga
09:30.1
eto rin naman
09:31.8
yung kanilang
09:33.6
in-aid of legislation
09:34.9
anupang gagawin mo roon
09:37.3
mag-iimbestiga sila
09:38.3
magtatanong sila
09:39.4
lahat ng kanilang
09:40.2
katanungan
09:40.7
lahat ng decision nila
09:41.7
lahat ng kanilang
09:43.1
ma-achieve
09:44.8
or
09:45.1
patutunguhan
09:46.5
eh
09:47.2
hukuman pa rin
09:48.9
ang kahantungan
09:49.7
dahil
09:50.2
yung kanilang
09:51.0
report at recommendation
09:52.6
isusumite
09:53.5
isusumite eh
09:54.4
Sa hukuman?
09:56.1
Pwes, kung ganun, sa hukuman ling naman pupunta,
10:00.9
eh ano pang silbi ng Senate hearing sa pananaw ng mga abogado at kung magagaling?
10:10.4
Kung sakaling mapatunayin man si Kibuloy ay guilty ng hukuman,
10:16.2
at least,
10:18.0
some beses lang siya masasentensyahan ng totoong hukuman.
10:22.3
The court of proper forum.
10:26.4
And he will only be sentenced and suffer once.
10:31.9
Kung proven guilty in the court of law.
10:36.4
Pero kung mauna muna ang Senado,
10:40.3
pagkatapos ang hukuman,
10:43.1
medyo,
10:45.3
ito yung sinasabi ko,
10:47.1
why suffer twice when you can only suffer once?
10:50.9
Itanong nyo pa yan sa mga magandang,
10:52.3
magagaling na abogado.
10:54.3
Kasi pag nangyari,
10:55.6
isusumitin niya ang sarili niya magpakita sa Senate hearing,
10:58.1
which,
10:59.1
nasa sa kanyang manyan.
11:00.5
Ako naman, nagbabasa lang ko rito,
11:02.1
inaanalyza lang natin si Kibuloy.
11:04.8
He will suffer twice and will be sentenced twice.
11:08.4
First,
11:09.2
the court of public opinion,
11:10.4
the Senate hearing.
11:11.5
And the second,
11:13.1
the court of proper forum.
11:16.6
Double whammy,
11:17.7
double jeopardy.
11:18.9
So, again,
11:20.2
why suffer twice?
11:21.0
Why suffer twice?
11:21.5
When you can only suffer once?
11:25.1
Well,
11:25.9
if you're proving guilty.
11:30.1
E paano kung hindi?
11:32.2
Mga boss,
11:32.9
exciting to, ano?
11:34.0
Interesting.
11:35.5
Abangan natin ang susunod na kabanata.
11:38.0
And with that,
11:40.6
ciao.
11:51.5
Thank you for watching!