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00:00.0
Good evening po sa inyo lahat. Ako po si Christian Esguerra and welcome po sa ating episode ngayong gabi.
00:28.4
Today is March 11 dito po sa ating Facts First Podcast.
00:32.9
Okay, sana nasa mabuting kalagayan po kayo, no? Monday night.
00:37.7
Meron po tayong pag-uusapan na napaka-importanting bagay.
00:41.3
Alam nyo ba, in case you don't know yet,
00:43.7
nagre-reklamo po yung vice-presidente natin, si Vice President Sara Duterte,
00:48.6
dahil meron daw, quote,
00:51.4
organized demolition job against her.
00:54.4
Dahil nangkaroon daw po ng escalation
00:56.3
ng mga personal attacks against her online.
01:00.0
Pati raw po yung kaugnay din ito
01:02.2
noong nauna ng issue ng confidential funds, no?
01:05.5
Yung 125 million in confidential funds
01:09.5
na itinransfer mula sa Office of the President
01:12.3
papunta sa Office of the Vice President noong 2022.
01:15.6
Maraming issues, no, na nakabuntot sa Vice President.
01:18.6
And for some reason, ang latest statement niya,
01:21.3
aba, meron palang organized demolition job
01:27.3
Silipin niya natin, ano ba yung indicators ng demolition job
01:31.3
against a politician at bakit naman magkakaroon, di umano,
01:34.3
ng isang demolition job against her.
01:36.3
So, ang invite natin ngayong gabi, isang demolition man.
01:39.3
Hindi, joke lang po yan.
01:41.3
Ang kausap po natin ngayong gabi, isang veteranong campaign
01:45.3
or political campaign strategist para mas matuto tayo
01:48.3
pagdating po dito sa larangan na ito, no?
01:51.3
At kung meron bang basayhan, yung sinasabi ng vice-presidente,
01:55.3
o baka naman nagpapalusot lang yan.
01:57.3
O worse, nagdadrama.
01:59.3
Eh, baka naman legit yung mga issues, di ba?
02:01.3
Nagpapalusot lang.
02:03.3
So, ito yung guest natin.
02:04.3
Ayan, nilabas na natin.
02:05.3
Si Mr. Alan Herman, siya po ang presidente at isa po siyang persuasion specialist
02:11.3
ng Agents International.
02:13.3
Magandang gabi, sir.
02:14.3
And thank you for joining us.
02:15.3
Magandang gabi, Ian.
02:17.3
At sa lahat ng ating mga dedicated Paxnatics,
02:20.3
yung mga informal settler diyan, magtago na kayo dahil nandito na ang demolition man.
02:26.3
Di ba movie yun, Demolition Man? You remember? Demolition Man?
02:31.3
Ano yata ako nun na tito, eh. Tito Ian, ano yata ako nun, eh.
02:35.3
Six years old yata ako nung lumabas yun, eh.
02:37.3
Ah, gano'n? Si Wesley Snipes?
02:39.3
Wesley Snipes at si Sylvester Stallone and a very young Sandra Bullock.
02:43.3
Ah? Ba't kabisadong kabisado? Si Wesley Snipes lang yung inaalala ko, eh.
02:48.3
Ba't ako yung naging tito?
02:50.3
Actually, dapat pala good eye mate ang sinasabi ko.
02:54.3
Sabi ko kay Christian, ano, dahil alam naman ating mga sumusubaybay
02:58.3
at ang mga fans ng Paxnatics fans, di ba, na kakagaling lang ni Christian
03:04.3
sa kanyang very productive trip sa Australia, the land down under.
03:08.3
So, good day, mate.
03:10.3
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, mate. Yeah.
03:13.3
Hindi ko nalaman, ang diaper pala ron, nappies.
03:16.3
Nappies. Tsaka pag kumain ka sa McDonald's, Macca's.
03:19.3
Let's go to the Macca's. Let's have some brekkie.
03:22.3
Ah, ganun pala, no? Tsaka, bybay.
03:24.3
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
03:26.3
Parang iyan ang tawag sa iyo ng mga tao doon. Oh, he's a bybe.
03:31.3
Yeah, kasi bumibili ako ng diaper doon, eh.
03:33.3
Tapos hindi ko maintindihan nung nagbebenta. Sabi, diapers.
03:36.3
Inanon ko pa. Dinemo ko pa. Hindi sa sarili ko. Doon sa anak ko.
03:40.3
I don't get it. Ah, you mean nappies. Inanon ako, eh.
03:46.3
Nagkakaroon din ng konting cultural expansion ang ating...
03:52.3
makisig na Christian Esguerra.
03:54.3
Lumalawa kang kanyang kaalaman tungkol sa mga bagay-bagay.
03:57.3
Oo, eh. Maraming salamat sa karanasan na iyon, no?
04:01.3
O, yung dami excited na mapanood ka, Alan. Maraming mga nagre-request sa mga guest ka natin.
04:06.3
And for the record, first choice po natin si Alan Herman, ha?
04:09.3
Alam natin. Sensitive yan, eh.
04:11.3
Ang aga po natin siya in-invite, ha?
04:13.3
Ang aga. Ang aga.
04:15.3
Kaka, ano lang, kakain ko lang nung huling kagat ko ng aking masarap na almusal.
04:20.3
Nag-message na si Ian.
04:21.3
At iniimbitahan tayo para maging guest. Yan ang tama. Yan ang tamang gawain.
04:28.3
Yan ang tamang asal.
04:32.3
Hindi yung hapon na makikiusap, boss.
04:35.3
Pero in fairness, in fairness, yung pakiusap naman, transparency in public service.
04:41.3
Merong ano, eh. Merong,
04:42.3
Boss, wala na akong ibang mahatak na guest. Baka pwede ka. At least, diba? At least.
04:49.3
Ang ganoon natin si Llamas. Naku.
04:51.3
Wala na talaga, eh. Simot na, eh.
04:53.3
Scraping the bottom of the barrel, so to speak.
04:57.3
Well, what a golden barrel of wisdom, Sek Llamas is.
05:02.3
And good evening, sir. I hope you're watching. I'm sure you are.
05:05.3
Yan ang gusto ko rito kay Alan Herman, no?
05:07.3
If you want to feel better, you talk to him.
05:10.3
He always has a few nuggets of wisdom to tell you.
05:14.3
Anyway, ito. Ito mag-usapan natin, no?
05:17.3
VP Sara Duterte claims meron daw organized demolition.
05:19.3
Meron daw organized demolition.
05:20.3
Meron daw organized demolition job against her.
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Ito muna, from the perspective of a campaign strategist na katulad mo, no?
05:27.3
Ano ba yung indicators?
05:29.3
Kunwari, in the case of Sara Duterte, valid ba yung concern na yan?
05:32.3
O baka naman nagpapalusot lang yan.
05:34.3
Ano ba yung indicators na merong isang demolition job against a public figure?
05:39.3
Okay. Again, the question is phrased perfectly, no?
05:42.3
As is the hallmark of this show, no?
05:45.3
The questions are phrased very, very mindfully.
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Kasi ang pinag-uusapan natin dito ay demolition job.
05:51.3
Accountability in your job, whether the accusations are true or not,
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whether there is transparency or whether these accusations have merit,
06:00.3
that's another topic for another day, no? Siguro.
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But for now, we're talking, is there a demolition job personally?
06:08.3
And I think a lot of people in my profession will agree.
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I would say yes, absolutely.
06:14.3
It's definitely, the answer is in the affirmative.
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And it's organized, well-funded even.
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I would even go as far as saying well-funded.
06:22.3
And the indicators are this, no?
06:24.3
News is one thing.
06:26.3
But when news is amplified considerably,
06:31.3
and then there is driven engagement,
06:35.3
and then other issues are tacked onto that news at a rapid rate,
06:40.3
then that's almost a sure indication of an organized demolition job.
06:46.3
Sa tulad nung nangyari kay VP Sara, no?
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Nung naging, nung pumutok itong confidential funds issue.
06:54.3
Is it the media's job to report that? Absolutely.
06:57.3
Is it the media's job to distill and to look and to really splice up the angles involved in the issue?
07:06.3
But it's not media's job anymore na naglabasan yung mga memes,
07:10.3
naging shampoo label siya.
07:12.3
Suddenly, about 50 Facebook landing pages came online.
07:15.3
About the confidential lady tagging her with, you know,
07:20.3
just really pages that were not meant to do anything but mock and or amplify the issue
07:29.3
and tack it onto VP Sara.
07:31.3
Tapos naglabasan na yung mga trolls.
07:34.3
Even in ang isa pang sure gauge niyan,
07:37.3
pag tinignan mo yung mga reputable news sites,
07:41.3
yung mga comment section binobomba ng mga trolls.
07:44.3
That's what you call coordinated inauthentic behavior para sa ating mga social media specialists, no?
07:51.3
And that was very much, I have to say, no?
07:54.3
That was very much present in the case of VP Sara.
07:57.3
So, is she correct in saying that there's a organized demolition job versus her?
08:03.3
I would actually have to say at face value, taken at face value, yes.
08:08.3
I believe so. I believe there is.
08:11.3
Okay. My next question is this.
08:14.3
Baka naman she only has herself to blame.
08:16.3
Kasi baka naman valid yung mga issues at nagkaroon ng opening yung mga kalaban niya to hop on the issues.
08:24.3
You know, I will, ito na, Ian, ito na.
08:27.3
I will quote a very wise professor. See, I'm always adding to your knowledge base, no?
08:32.3
A very wise professor from Stanford University, no?
08:36.3
Who, Ira Quimby, who said, if you don't want to be, he was talking about extortion this time, no?
08:42.3
If you don't want to be extorted, don't do anything extortionable.
08:45.3
That is a very, very valid, that is a very, very valid point in these cases, no?
08:51.3
Because as I mentioned at the start of the program, coordinated demolition jobs can only be done as an amplification tool.
09:03.3
If there is nothing to amplify, kung talagang walang kakwenta-kwenta yung basihan niyan,
09:10.3
kung the foundation is, ano yan, tubig, kung tubig ang pundasyon niyan or malabnaw, hindi ka makakagawa ng organized demolition job.
09:18.3
There's nothing to build on.
09:20.3
So, if you say, does she only have herself to blame?
09:23.3
Definitely, the issues that were raised were valid.
09:29.3
The issues that were raised were valid.
09:32.3
Again, as public servants, you have to be able to stand up to scrutiny.
09:36.3
But, perhaps, nakiride na lang yung mga detractors.
09:40.3
Dahil nakakita sila ng perfect opening.
09:43.3
So, kung ayaw po natin maging victim ng demolition job, wag po tayo gumawa ng behavior na maaaring mabuild up ng demolition job.
09:53.3
If somebody, for example, accused Ian Esguerra of being an armed robber or saying that he's extortionist,
10:00.3
that will, believe me, that will fly, di ba?
10:04.3
It will not gain any traction whatsoever.
10:06.3
Because, again, there's nothing, it cannot stick on him.
10:09.3
Because, the facts just don't bear it.
10:12.3
There's no thread work to build on, to turn it into a narrative.
10:18.3
So, kailangan may congruence between the subject being exploited for a demolition job
10:24.3
and making sure that it actually is parang congruent with the person who is the subject of the attack.
10:31.3
What I'm saying is, simplihan na lang natin. Parang ganito.
10:35.3
Parang may labas yung algebra book ko eh. Ano ba yung sinasabi mo doon?
10:40.3
Sorry, sabog lang.
10:42.3
Parang ganda ang pinag-usapan eh. Side on, side off.
10:45.3
O nga eh. Napaka-simple na lang. Simplihan natin.
10:48.3
Kung kaya mong sabihan na may body odor ka o mabantot ka o may anghit ka, make sure wala ka anghit. Parang ganun.
10:57.3
Siguraduhin mo na maligo ka, malinis ka, maglagay ka ng tawa sa kilikili mo, di ba?
11:02.3
Again, it's akin to the people who go outside and, you know, screaming.
11:09.3
They're wearing colors, neon shirts and funny hats and whatnot.
11:13.3
And then wonder why people are looking at them.
11:15.3
Well, that's the consequence of behavior, di ba? Behavior has its consequences. Decisions have their consequences.
11:22.3
But again, in the case of VP Sara, we're only talking about, at least for this show, the de-humanoid demolition job against her.
11:31.3
Siguro napaka-long and winding and more deep yung conversation.
11:37.3
We'll talk about the foundations of the issues being raised against her.
11:41.3
But is it being amplified? Absolutely, I believe so.
11:44.3
Pag ganun, how do you counter that, the demolition job?
11:47.3
Do you also counter that on the same platforms where they are being spread?
11:52.3
Wala ba yung mga tools to counter that?
11:55.3
Okay. Actually, yung ginawa ni VP Sara, although, well, as a profession, you know, speaking as a professional, I would say that, you know,
12:06.3
her coming out with a statement and saying, I'm a victim of, I'm a target of a demolition attack, perhaps came a little bit late,
12:12.3
but that's the first thing that should be done, acknowledgement. Hindi yan ano eh, hindi yan na lumalayo sa crisis communications eh, di ba?
12:19.3
You acknowledge that there's a problem and then you communicate it and then as much as possible, you air your side, di ba?
12:30.3
You air your side and you address the issues one by one, unless talagang peke, nawalang ano, nawala talagang katuturan.
12:35.3
But if there is something to be defended, then air your side by all means.
12:41.3
And then yes, the quick answer to your question is you use the same channels to get your message through.
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So kung sa SOCMED yan, sa SOCMED ka rin sasagot. Kung sa media tinira ka ng isang kolumnista or ng isang news report, magpapreskon ka, sagutin mo.
12:59.3
Okay. Pero hindi ba ano yan, parang napaka, isn't that an easy escape route?
13:05.3
Kunwari, napaka-detalyado ng issues na binabato sa'yo as a matter of accountability. Kunwari, 125 million na confidential funds na ibinigay sa'yo coming from the office of the President, questionable yung proseso na yun, di ba?
13:18.3
Hindi ba napaka-dala excuse noon? Hindi, demolition job lahat yan. Parang ang dali naman yata tumakas. But in fact, you should be answering that point by point.
13:28.3
I absolutely agree with you. In fact, that's usually the case.
13:34.3
Unfortunately, that is usually the case with our politicians, di ba? Ang tinatawag din ang blanket denial. I categorically and strongly deny and condemn.
13:43.3
In the strongest terms.
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In the strongest terms, these accusations, full stop. But again, it is regret, restitution, responsibility, reform, di ba?
13:53.3
You have to say, how am I fixing this? Bakit hindi yan totoo? Ito ang ginagawa ko.
14:00.3
Again, perhaps a little too nuanced for this.
14:03.3
I'm not nuanced for this particular topic but I agree. Issues should be addressed. It is legality, legal ba yan? Necessity, is it necessary?
14:15.3
Yan ha, yung mga sudyante dyan, makinig kayo. Di ba? It's legality. Is it allowed under the law? Necessity, kailangan ba talagang gawin yan? Jeopardy, what would happen pag hindi ginawa yan?
14:29.3
And then security, how is the public safeguarded against this?
14:31.3
And then security, how is the public safeguarded against this?
14:32.3
safeguarded against abuse. Yun lang
14:34.4
yun. Those are the only points that the politician
14:36.6
has to address at all times.
14:40.2
I don't know, inscribed in the
14:42.3
walls of, in the hallowed halls
14:44.3
of Congress, the Senate,
14:50.9
Alan Herman would have done something
14:52.6
that would have left
14:54.7
his legacy. At kung sinunod yan
14:56.4
ng ating mga politiko. But,
14:58.2
yes, that's what transparency
15:00.5
boils down to. It's those
15:02.4
four points. Establish legality,
15:04.9
necessity, jeopardy,
15:06.9
and security. Yun lang.
15:08.8
Alam nyo, ang inabangan ko po talaga
15:10.3
sa mundong ito, yung
15:11.9
mailagay sa isang aklat
15:14.5
yung mga sinasabi ng isang
15:16.3
Alan Herman. Kasi sayang eh,
15:18.6
yung words of wisdom. Joke book yan.
15:20.5
Joke book yan, boss.
15:22.5
Gareleasing yan. Gareleasing.
15:24.3
Para sa mga nakatatanda.
15:26.2
Sina si gareleasing? Hindi ko siya kalalayang.
15:29.5
You don't remember gareleasing, Tito?
15:32.6
Jogra de la Torre
15:34.8
Si Truman. The best.
15:38.9
Lumalabas yung mga edad, no?
15:40.1
Pag nandito sa reference.
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By the term alone, no?
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Yung demolition job. Of course, it's
15:47.6
negative, no? It's destructive.
15:49.7
Yan ang denotative meaning ng
15:51.0
demolition. Pero in this case,
15:54.8
nagpapa-impress lang tayo.
15:56.2
Baka sabihin na iba, masyado na tayong bobo eh.
15:59.5
Magamit lang tayo. Makapapansin lang.
16:03.5
You're correct. That is the denotative
16:06.1
meaning. You're right.
16:07.4
Sa mga trolls po, denotative,
16:09.5
dictionary meaning.
16:11.7
Yan lang, basically.
16:13.2
That is the textbook definition.
16:15.0
Ayan, opo, opo. Mas sige.
16:17.0
Pero is it necessarily bad kung
16:19.2
nagiging bahagi man ito
16:21.5
ng demolition job,
16:24.7
But in fact, pag inanalize mo, hindi ba legit naman
16:26.7
yung mga binaba itong issue sa kanya?
16:30.0
Again, as public servants,
16:33.7
you should expect, it is part and parcel
16:37.4
entwined in the very nature and DNA
16:40.3
of your job, to be
16:42.0
held to a certain standard,
16:44.3
to be scrutinized by the public,
16:46.1
and to hold your actions
16:48.4
accountable to the people who voted for you.
16:50.8
So, whether may katotohanan yan
16:52.6
o hindi, dapat sagutin mo yan.
16:54.7
Pero yung demolition job,
16:56.1
pag dinidikita na ng mga kung ano-ano,
16:59.8
denotative meaning ng demolition job.
17:02.6
Yung dinidikit yung muka niya
17:04.3
sa katawan ni Fiona,
17:07.0
May ganon, yung label ng shampoo,
17:10.7
tapos yung gumagawa na ng mga jokes,
17:12.8
tapos sinasplice na yung mga videos niya,
17:14.6
ginagawang remix.
17:19.6
doon na pumapasok yung demolition job.
17:22.0
So, again, just in case
17:24.1
our viewers or our trolls,
17:28.0
we'll get the wrong impression.
17:31.3
Just because sinasabi ko po na
17:33.5
I agree, I fully agree
17:38.4
that there is an organized demolition job
17:40.6
against Vice President Sara Duterte,
17:43.0
I am absolutely not
17:44.5
saying that she should not
17:46.8
be held accountable or answerable
17:49.6
to those legitimate issues
17:51.6
being brought against her.
17:53.1
Huwag na natin isama yung mga kalokohan
17:54.8
tungkol dun sa basketball player,
17:56.6
tungkol dun sa ano, yun.
17:58.0
Obvious na obvious demolition job yun.
18:01.5
For me, even that
18:03.1
cache full of guns,
18:08.6
Ano lang yan? Marites lang yan.
18:10.1
Toalets lang yan.
18:11.4
Kasi nakita ng kapitbahay,
18:13.3
ng dentista, ng kapatid ko,
18:15.3
na naglo-load sila ng mga barel
18:17.7
sa bag. Yan siguro pwede
18:19.5
nang hindi pansinin.
18:21.6
But the real legitimate issues
18:24.0
being brought up against you,
18:25.2
as a public servant, yes, you must answer.
18:30.4
they're not diametric opposites,
18:32.4
Nax. They're not diametric opposites.
18:34.9
Yes, there can be a demolition job
18:38.0
at the same time, you still
18:40.2
bear the burden, you still have that responsibility
18:42.5
to be accountable
18:44.2
to the people who voted you in.
18:46.8
Oo nga. Hindi kasi yun yung punto
18:48.2
ko rin kayo. Ang ganda ng pagkakapaliwanag
18:49.7
ni Alan Herman, no?
18:52.0
Diametrically opposite.
19:02.6
Dumudugo na ba ilong
19:07.3
Wala nga akong makita eh.
19:13.2
Sir, hindi yun ako sinabi.
19:17.3
yung sinabi ni Donski, nabasa ko yung comment
19:21.8
Sabi niya, hindi porkit sinabing demolition job,
19:24.2
hindi na totoo yung sinabi.
19:28.0
Whether applied in the case of VP Sara
19:30.1
or whether applied in the case of
19:32.0
other politicians and or other people
19:35.5
it should not stop there.
19:37.1
Gaya nang masabi ni Ian Esguerra kanina, no?
19:39.3
Hindi pwedeng I strongly deny
19:43.3
I absolutely, categorically deny
19:45.8
in the strongest possible terms
19:47.5
and condemn this evil,
19:50.7
spurious demolition job,
19:53.0
well-orchestrated machinations
19:54.9
against my reputation.
19:58.0
Alam mo, personally, pet peeve ko yun eh.
20:02.9
Pag nababasa ko yung mga
20:04.0
statements of condemnation
20:06.2
ng kahit sino, pag sinabi, we deny
20:08.1
or we condemn in the strongest
20:10.1
possible terms, for some reason
20:12.0
ang sakit sa tega nun.
20:13.8
As if there was another
20:15.9
another way to emphatically
20:18.2
ano, di ba? You always, if it's a denial,
20:20.6
it's in absolutely the strongest possible
20:22.4
terms. But again,
20:24.2
it cannot be a blanket denial
20:28.0
if the issues are legitimate,
20:34.0
observable, recorded,
20:37.3
bearing into these accusations,
20:40.4
then it should be answered.
20:44.5
itong demolition job
20:48.0
yan, ano na yan, sinaki na yan.
20:50.1
Sinaki na yan ng mga
20:53.4
or mga people who have
20:55.6
intentions to ride on
20:57.8
such a phenomenon.
20:59.8
Ang tanong ko naman, okay,
21:01.5
tama yan, ang ganda nung sinabi ni Alan,
21:03.2
yung distinction between a legitimate issue
21:05.5
of accountability, for instance,
21:07.8
as a public official,
21:09.6
at saka yung mga dagdag na mga memes na, no?
21:12.7
Hindi ko alam yung Fiona, ano ba yun?
21:14.2
Hindi ko nagigets. At saka yung
21:15.7
sa shampoo, ano yun?
21:17.7
Di ba yung ano, yung
21:18.7
it's something about the
21:21.6
complexion, parang they put her
21:23.3
they put her in the
21:24.7
shampoo bottle, her image in a shampoo bottle,
21:27.8
kumalat yun eh. See, you're just getting me
21:32.3
My God, and I call myself
21:33.9
the PR guy, ha? Ako daw yung
21:35.6
persuasion specialist. You see how
21:37.7
Christian did that? He just
21:39.4
completely manipulated me
21:41.5
into being the one to describe it.
21:43.7
My God, this person. In all honesty,
21:46.1
with God as my witness,
21:48.2
hindi ko talaga alam yung sa shampoo.
21:50.3
Do you strongly affirm it?
21:52.0
In the strongest terms, you affirm
21:53.8
that you know nothing. Yes,
21:55.6
my conscience is clear.
21:57.8
Actually, hindi siya ano, hindi siya
21:59.5
sorry, hindi siya shampoo, facial wash.
22:01.5
Di ba? Parang nilagay siya dun sa facial wash.
22:03.8
Para sa mga makakapalang muka,
22:07.5
Dahil dun sa confidential fund ba yan?
22:10.1
Yes, yes. So these are again
22:11.5
below the belt issues that
22:12.9
you know, what is supposed
22:15.5
to add levity to the, yun yung
22:17.4
irony sa Pilipinas, di ba?
22:21.5
folly of the Filipino people
22:23.2
in adding levity to it
22:26.0
kasi that's our instinct eh.
22:27.8
Di ba? We make fun of a
22:29.8
situation, we add levity to it, but
22:31.7
in adding levity to a situation,
22:33.7
a lot of times it becomes diluted.
22:35.8
Kasi pag naging katawa-tawa na yan,
22:38.2
hindi na seryoso yung usapan.
22:41.9
circling back to your earlier point, Ian,
22:43.8
when you said, sometimes
22:45.7
if it's a demolition job,
22:54.0
quote-unquote laya pa yung
22:55.6
tao dahil naging katawa-tawa na eh.
22:57.6
Kung ano-ano na yung pinatong eh.
22:59.7
Oo, yung parang guluhin mo na lang
23:01.6
yung accusation, magdagdag
23:05.6
Konting tama, konting mali. Parang classic.
23:07.5
Ano yan? Ano matawas yan?
23:08.9
I'm happy na tinanong mo.
23:11.7
Hindi po kami nag-rehearse bago ng show.
23:13.6
Ang tawag dyan, kapatid, ay
23:19.7
Ang bibigat ng mga words natin ngayon.
23:22.1
Parang ano ba yan? Simplihan naman natin.
23:24.0
Masyadong mabigat yun eh. Masyadong
23:25.4
tinigyan. Hindi po ka tinisapin.
23:27.6
Gusto ah. Si Alan po.
23:29.3
Arna yan. Okay? Arna yan.
23:31.0
Parang ganito ba yan?
23:33.1
Yes. Yung parang bang wala ka na
23:35.1
maisagot sa, kung ano, nasa table ka yan,
23:36.8
nagiinuman o nagmamadyong. Guluhin na yan.
23:39.0
Parang ganon. Guluhin na yan. Or
23:40.9
sometimes, hindi yung
23:45.6
a lot of times in
23:46.7
among Filipino politicians, hindi sila
23:49.2
yung nagmamodel ng issue.
23:51.0
It's the person who doing the demolition or the
23:53.2
group that's doing the demolition job.
23:55.0
Masyado nag-e-enjoy. So kung ano-ano
23:57.4
na yung kinakakarga, kung ano na yung
24:00.4
na ano na, nawala na ng
24:02.9
nawala na yung original
24:07.1
or original accusations,
24:09.0
naging magulo na.
24:10.4
So nakakasama pa pala yun.
24:15.3
mong pinagtripan, without you
24:17.1
knowing it, you might end up
24:19.0
helping the person you're actually targeting
24:21.1
at the start. Parang ganon.
24:23.2
That's one. And you know,
24:27.2
show, because again, we're in that
24:28.9
profession, we also do quick
24:30.9
read, we also do sentiment
24:36.8
The phenomenon of
24:38.3
underdog in the Philippines is
24:45.3
and powerful in the Philippines.
24:47.4
So pag masyado mo ng
24:48.9
Fernando Po Jr. effect na yan,
24:51.4
pag masyado ka ng
24:52.4
inaape, pinagkakaisahan,
24:55.1
pinagtutulungan, over na,
24:57.2
especially in the case of VP
24:58.8
Sara, that we're talking about
25:00.3
a lady, she's a female
25:03.1
and in the traditionally
25:04.4
macho, mama's boy
25:08.9
Filipino, sometimes it
25:13.1
Kahit na siya mismo as a woman,
25:15.4
medyo macho yung dating niya.
25:19.1
Nanon tip na sheriff yan?
25:23.5
ironically, again,
25:24.7
ironically, the word du jour for tonight,
25:27.2
ironically, actually raised
25:29.0
her profile among many Filipinos.
25:31.0
Mas ano, naging appealing
25:33.0
sa kanila yan, that she
25:34.6
stands up for the downtrodden,
25:36.8
na talagang she's willing to
25:41.0
ika nga, at kahit
25:42.9
manuntok siya ng sheriff para
25:44.9
ipaglaban ang karapatan ng mga
25:46.8
mahihirap, gagawin niya. So
25:48.6
it's a very, very odd
25:54.1
choice we have in the Philippines.
25:59.4
case level natin, kakaiba.
26:03.2
sa mga butanting Pilipino.
26:05.9
Karamihan sa kanila.
26:07.5
Ito yung tanong ko.
26:09.5
Yung mga memes na ganyan,
26:11.1
kasi nga, again, you made the distinction
26:12.9
between a legitimate issue and
26:15.1
efforts to exploit that legitimate
26:17.3
issue, which forms the
26:18.9
demolition job. Pero how would you know
26:21.2
kung, kunwari, alam mo na mga
26:22.9
Pilipino, napaka-creative. Gusto kong pag-tripan,
26:25.2
gagawin yung isang tao ng meme,
26:27.2
organically, kakalat siya. How do you
26:29.3
distinguish between an organic
26:31.0
amplification? Dun sa
26:33.4
anong term na ginamit mo?
26:35.9
Coordinated, inauthentic behavior.
26:38.4
Ito yung sa Facebook, diba?
26:40.2
Oo. Ang Pilipino,
26:42.0
ang normal Pilipino, magla-like,
26:48.3
authentic behavior, social
26:51.3
media behavior ng Pilipino.
26:53.1
Pero, you have to go back to the
26:55.2
very root of it, Aristotelian.
26:57.2
Nox, diba? Or, sorry,
26:58.8
Discartian, Mr. UST.
27:00.7
Diba? Si Rene Descartes.
27:02.4
You have to go back to the...
27:03.1
Yung madiscarting philosopher yan, diba?
27:05.9
Yes, yes, mismo. Balikan mo,
27:09.4
the fact that you said,
27:12.7
pag napakaraming memes na lumalabas,
27:14.7
the typical Pilipino will not spend
27:16.6
their time going to a photo
27:18.5
editing software and making memes.
27:21.2
The fact that these memes,
27:22.6
100 new memes are coming out.
27:25.8
Creative witty memes.
27:29.3
The typical Pinoy, you know,
27:31.1
whether employed, unemployed,
27:33.1
or a student, will not actually sit down
27:35.2
and, you know, dedicate time and effort
27:37.3
to make these memes.
27:38.8
So, the fact na ang daming bagong
27:41.1
memes na lumalabas, yun ay yung unang
27:43.1
indication. Pangalawa,
27:45.1
pages. Kasi typically,
27:47.5
you'll share it on your personal page,
27:49.8
ikakalat mo sa Viber group mo,
27:51.4
ikakalat mo sa Facebook
27:53.1
Messenger group mo, ganyan.
27:54.6
I-hahaha mo, or i-share mo.
27:57.2
Pero yung may bagong landing page,
27:59.9
di ba, confidential kuno.
28:03.7
lalabas yan. Or Sarah with no H,
28:09.7
is already an indication that
28:13.2
well-funded, coordinated,
28:16.1
inauthentic behavior.
28:17.9
And to VP Sarah's point,
28:19.9
yeah, it's a demolition job.
28:21.6
That's what it is.
28:25.0
Part na ba yan ng ano? Parang,
28:27.2
toolkit ng isang politiko?
28:30.1
Yung mga binabanggit mo?
28:32.6
Is it a campaign necessity?
28:35.5
Or let's say you're a candidate,
28:37.4
or a politician na nakaupo na,
28:39.6
kailangan mo ba yan ganyan talaga?
28:41.0
Yung, gano'n, yung mga meme generators,
28:43.2
yung mga social media team, quote-unquote,
28:45.6
to be able to respond to possible
28:49.3
Maga, ano na siya? Necessity na ba siya ngayon?
28:52.2
Hindi yan toolkit
28:53.0
ng mga politiko. Toolkit namin yan.
28:56.3
I was able to smoke him out. Okay.
29:02.0
Kailangan na kailangan.
29:06.3
the Philippines is the social media capital
29:08.2
of the world. We spend more time looking at
29:10.2
our phones than any other thing.
29:12.6
We lead the world
29:14.5
in time spent online
29:16.2
and online behavior and online
29:19.6
We spend the most time in our cell phone.
29:23.5
Absolutely. And again, diba,
29:26.3
Mario, pag hindi mo binasa,
29:28.1
it will be a newspaper.
29:30.1
You can leave it behind a TV
29:31.8
unless it's switched on.
29:34.0
Will not function to
29:35.5
deliver messages. But one thing
29:38.0
we always have in our hands
29:40.2
or in our pockets is our phones.
29:44.6
Interesting. Ang dami natin natutunan
29:46.3
kay Mr. Alan Herman.
29:47.9
Mabuti, hindi po siya naniningil.
29:49.2
Kasi, nagbibigay siya ng mga
29:51.1
marami nakakalimutan sa iyo.
29:54.1
May isang nag-comment dito na
29:55.6
medyo natawa lang ako. Sabi,
29:57.2
Uy, si Alden Llamas ba yan?
30:04.5
Si Alden Llamas daw.
30:06.5
Bakit daw hindi si Alden Llamas
30:09.1
Mas pogi po yung guest natin ngayon.
30:13.2
Grabe dati. May ano rito?
30:15.2
May troll? Guest natin si
30:17.0
Secretary Llamas. Grabe.
30:19.6
Inagtanggal ng salamin.
30:21.1
Inagtanggal ng salamin.
30:25.6
Sabi, pangit daw eh.
30:28.7
commenters, another word.
30:31.0
Nakikita ko yung mga words of the evening eh.
30:32.9
Another word. That was a seminal moment
30:35.6
in Fox First history.
30:37.7
Inagtanggal ng salamin.
30:40.4
Inagtanggal ng salamin
30:41.5
si Secretary Llamas.
30:43.4
Seminal moment yun.
30:45.4
Nagtampo pa sa akin kasi nagkaroon daw ako
30:47.4
ng laughing fit. Hindi naman.
30:50.3
Hindi naman hanggang
30:51.5
replay. Natatawa pa rin ako.
30:53.7
Naging natatawa ko eh.
30:55.6
Oo. You were in general.
30:59.6
Tama yan. Ito yung isa kong pantanong.
31:02.7
how do you know kung nagsasakside ang isang
31:05.1
demolition job dyan sa platform
31:09.6
Okay. Number one,
31:15.0
it's so meta, di ba? Napaka meta
31:17.2
ng sagot na to. But
31:18.3
once you get a reaction out of the person
31:21.2
you're targeting, you know you're succeeding.
31:24.6
sa politiko, ang pikon talo.
31:27.9
So, pag pinikon mo yun
31:29.0
ang pinikon, tapos
31:30.5
sumagot na yan, nagalit na,
31:33.2
nakapagsalita na ng medyo
31:37.3
Nako, that is gold.
31:39.1
That is the happiest moment
31:45.0
Pag tinanong na siya ng isang reporter
31:47.1
tungkol sa issue, tapos mainit na yung ulo,
31:49.6
that's when you know that
31:51.1
your demolition job is succeeding. And of course,
31:54.6
the plain vanilla answer is
31:59.4
There are metrics like surveys,
32:03.5
trust, satisfaction,
32:05.2
performance, di ba?
32:07.0
Preference, rather. So, diyan mong malalaman.
32:13.3
ang message ko, nako,
32:16.2
ang message ko is, dun sa mga
32:19.0
nagde-demolition job sa kanya,
32:21.5
tignanin nyo yung trackback sa survey.
32:23.4
Eh, parang umangat pa eh.
32:27.0
So, baka kailangan
32:28.1
pag-aralan or i-tweak
32:30.6
demolition job sa kanya.
32:33.9
Ano ba yan? Yan ba yung tinatawag na
32:35.1
Teflon effect? Yung kahit anong ibatom mo,
32:39.3
Well, that was definitely
32:41.4
present in VP Sara's
32:44.8
former President Rodrigo Duterte,
32:47.6
PRRD. Yan talaga,
32:49.5
I've never seen in my long career.
32:53.3
gano'ng katanda? But in my long career
32:55.1
in political public relations,
32:57.7
I've never seen anything, a phenomenon
33:02.6
Kung talagang kahit
33:03.5
anong gawin niya, talagang
33:05.3
hindi didikit, mas natutuwa pa yung
33:07.3
mga tao. So, to your
33:09.5
point, yeah, I believe VP Sara
33:11.3
inherited some of that.
33:15.1
Misa, ang galing talaga ng mga tao, no?
33:18.0
babuhin na tayo ng mga politiko
33:21.7
natin, ano, okay pa rin eh.
33:25.1
Yung parang, yung parang
33:26.2
palakpakpang noontime show, yung gano'n.
33:31.1
Ian, you know, I wish it was a yes and a clap.
33:35.0
you know, a lot of times,
33:37.1
what's really heartbreaking is, it's not just
33:39.1
yes and clapping, it's
33:46.7
Patronage kasi yan eh, patronage.
33:50.3
So, it is what it is.
33:53.3
So, again, para sa mga commenters po, I'm merely, I'm
33:56.7
not, I'm not, um, editorializing it, I'm just stating it the
34:00.5
Do I approve, do I disapprove, um, hindi naman po yun ang
34:03.6
pinag-uusapan natin ngayong gabi.
34:06.2
Ah, basahin natin comment from one of, ah, a person with
34:09.6
impeccable English, with a, with a, with a good command of the
34:14.5
English language.
34:15.7
Yes, a queen's English.
34:19.0
Yeah, um, how much more difficult, comma, if at all,
34:23.3
Would it be for a persuasion specialist to make the, quote,
34:27.3
demolition job actually effective?
34:30.1
The angry response might even be endearing to supporters.
34:33.4
They are, after all, dumb.
34:36.9
Ganda ng English talaga ng Eugene Killer.
34:38.5
Hashtag no holding back, Eugene Killer.
34:41.6
Once again, your, um, prodigious command of the English language
34:46.3
has left both host and guest in awe.
34:53.8
So, uh, Eugene, uh, you know, I don't want to give away too many
34:58.9
tricks of the trade, but, um, napakaganda ng tanong mo.
35:02.8
Sometimes, uh, we, we touched on it earlier about obfuscation.
35:07.3
Uh, guys like me will actually do that.
35:11.2
Siyasakyan namin yung demolition job and we amp it up to the
35:17.9
Uh, I, I will call to mind a very, well, uh, I will call to mind a
35:22.5
fairly recent example which I am not saying I had or I had nothing to do with,
35:27.3
neither confirming nor denying, but, uh, during the time of, um, VP Lenny,
35:33.5
my God, kung ano-ano yung binabato kay VP Lenny.
35:37.0
But then when it reached the point na lumabas yung rumor na buntis daw siya,
35:43.0
that's when people disengaged.
35:45.9
A lot of people, and that was measured, a lot of people said,
35:48.5
Sobra na. Sobra na. Kalukohan na to.
35:53.9
This is, uh, already taking it to,
35:56.4
ano na to, kagaguhan na to, pardon the term, no?
35:59.9
I'm not saying I did or I did not have anything to do with that,
36:02.7
but that was a very measurable, uh, incident, no?
36:06.0
When a lot of people actually started disengaging
36:08.8
and, uh, getting off the bandwagon of, uh,
36:13.1
throwing potshots or taking potshots at VP Lenny.
36:16.4
In fact, some of her did that first.
36:18.4
Defended her na nung umabot na sa ganun point.
36:21.6
Uh, eto basahin natin yung comment ng isang, uh, hindi naman saguro totoong tao ito, no?
36:27.7
Malungkot si Christian Esguerra, hindi niya nakuha yung gustong sagot kay Sir Alan Herman.
36:32.3
Uh, una-una yung spelling ng Herman, G, hindi H.
36:35.1
At, uh, Alan po, single L, single L.
36:37.2
Apo, tas very organic ang supporter ni VP Sara at mga Duterte.
36:41.6
Kaya kahit anong iba to, walang masyadong talab.
36:44.7
Uh, number one, pakiayos po muna yung pangtuisyon.
36:47.3
Uh, Filipino na po yung ginagamit nating language, eh, huwag na po nating babuyin.
36:51.0
Unless you're a bot, no?
36:53.4
Yung hindi, katagang Vietnam ka, no?
36:55.1
Or nasa India ka.
36:56.4
And then nag-comment lang.
36:58.4
Uh, hindi po ganun yung situation.
36:59.9
Ang ganda-ganda ng discussion namin.
37:01.6
Pero para lang magulo, sinama ko yung comment mo.
37:09.1
Um, again po, wala po kami, hindi po kami nagko-comment.
37:12.8
Uh, we're not, uh, taking one side or the other on whether the, the, uh, uh, or making any commentary whatsoever
37:21.0
on the, the strength and the fierceness of, uh, the support behind, uh, VP Sara.
37:26.0
Uh, hindi po namin na, na pag-usapan yan in any way, shape, or form.
37:30.2
And, uh, ako po, personally, sigurado ko na napakaraming nagmamahal at sumusuporta, um, kay VP Inday Sara.
37:39.2
Pero ang pinag-uusapan po natin.
37:40.7
Kasama na po ako doon. Kasama na po ako.
37:42.4
Oh, demolition job.
37:44.7
Nililito mo na. Nililito mo na yung algorithm.
37:46.6
Um, hindi, eto. Sige, ilalabas ko na yung talagang baraha ko, no?
37:51.0
Actually, fan po ako ni VP Sara Duterte.
37:55.5
Bilib na bilib po ako sa kanyang pamamahala.
37:57.6
And I really believe that she's very, very competent to hold the second highest elective position.
38:04.2
At, uh, pati po yung education portfolio.
38:07.4
Hindi lang naman po yun yung pinakamalaking birokrasya sa buong gobyerno, no?
38:11.2
Uh, may pinakamalaking budget.
38:13.0
And sana nga hindi siya nag-slide down, eh.
38:14.8
Diba? Dapat siya na yung tumakbo sa pagkapangulo.
38:17.4
E di hamak na mas matalino naman po siya at mas capable doon sa nanayos.
38:21.8
Pero ganun po yung ginawa niya, eh.
38:23.4
Yun, yun yung ginawa. Yun yung kulot. Yun yung kulot sa dulo.
38:27.5
Putsa, akala ko dadating na yung Scooby Dugang at tatanggalin na yung maskara ni, uh, Ian Esguerre.
38:33.4
Sino ba to? Sino ba tong kausap ko?
38:35.6
Uh, akala ko dadating na, eh. Problema, biglang kinulot pa sa dulo.
38:40.2
Eh, problema sa inyo kasi.
38:42.4
Eh, ako, ako, no? Offend ako for my, for my, for my idol.
38:47.4
Eh, tanong kayo ng tanong.
38:48.3
Kung tungkol doon sa 125 million confidential pad, huwag niya nang tanongin yun.
38:53.4
Hindi niya naman po pera yun, eh.
38:55.1
Pera ng taong bayan yun. Ba't yun po kinukulit?
38:59.6
Ako, ang tip ko dyan, let's round it out.
39:03.2
Uh, i-round out po natin ang katanungan.
39:05.8
Kasi, isa pang bahagi ng demolition job, see?
39:09.5
Where we're entering into the next phase of our very intelligent discussion, no?
39:13.6
Uh, ang isa pa pong, uh, uh, phase ng demolition job.
39:18.3
Is to, tinatawag nating spotlight, not house lights.
39:23.1
Sorry, daming mga terms, no?
39:24.9
To put the spotlight on the one person or one institution.
39:32.0
Ang mga journalist po, na katulad ni Ian Esguerra, yung mga magagaling, yung mga may integrity,
39:37.7
uh, those who love their, their work and their, and their vocation,
39:41.3
um, their belief is you'd switch on the house lights.
39:45.2
You don't put on a spotlight.
39:46.6
So, you should look at it from both,
39:48.3
and, kung may tinanggap ang office of the VP na confidential funds,
39:53.2
ay dapat itanong din, sino ba nagbigay?
39:55.8
Saan ba nang galing?
39:57.2
Kasi yung nagbigay, yung nagbigay, in-approve din eh.
40:01.6
Oo, eh kasalanan ni Mahala Pangulong Bambang Marcos yan.
40:04.3
Ba't yung sinisisi yung idol namin si Sara Duterte?
40:07.3
Eh, wala akong sinasabi kung sino may sala o walang sala.
40:10.4
Ang tinatanong, ang sinasabi ko lang, buksan ang ilaw sa lahat.
40:13.9
Di ba? Bakit nagkaganyan?
40:15.5
Wala naman tatanggap niyan kung walang nagbigay.
40:18.3
Ito, basahin natin itong isa, si Jantec.
40:22.0
Eh, kawawa naman, paulit-ulit eh.
40:24.5
Pure dilawan yan, si Christian.
40:29.8
Kung alam mo lang, yung ilan yung mga dilawan na pinagbabanatan ko
40:32.8
nung kinukover ko si Noinoy, Akino.
40:35.5
Nagkalit pa nga sa akin dati yung Pangulo eh,
40:37.2
dahil tinanong ko sa isang ambush interview eh.
40:41.9
Kasi I had a sense na hindi naman talaga siya against sa pork barrel eh.
40:45.0
Eh, pero syempre, hindi alam na mga trolls yun.
40:48.3
Memory, at hindi pa po sikat yung social media noon.
40:50.9
Kaya, manatili po kayong tanga.
40:55.5
Hindi po dilawan siya.
40:57.8
Bilang kaibigan, na kilalang-kilala si Christian Esguerra
41:02.6
at ang kanyang political leanings,
41:04.6
hindi nyo po talaga masasabing dilawan ang ating host, no?
41:11.3
Dabali, ganun talaga eh.
41:13.4
May isa pa akong tatanong pala.
41:15.4
Ito, napakatalino ng tanong na ito.
41:17.2
Are you ready for this?
41:18.3
I'm getting ready.
41:20.9
May the spirit of Eugene Killer
41:22.7
strengthen me and strengthen my resolve.
41:28.0
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
41:30.3
Bakit naman kasi may demolition job against Vice President Sara Duterte at this time?
41:38.2
Babalikan ko ang sinabi mo.
41:40.8
Hindi pa lumilipas ang two minutes nung sinabi mo na
41:44.0
at kung siya ay tumakbo bilang presidente noon
41:47.8
at hindi siya nag-slide down,
41:49.3
ay chak, mananalo siya.
41:51.6
At chak, siya ang ating pangulo.
41:54.2
Eh, 2024 na po ngayon,
41:57.3
sa isang idlip lang,
41:59.0
ipikit lang tayo,
42:00.1
hihikab lang tayo ng limang beses,
42:05.1
At tayo'y babalik sa mga polling precinct
42:08.7
kung may election man.
42:11.2
Tignan na lang natin kung magkakaroon ng election
42:13.3
at tayo'y buboto muli.
42:15.3
And let's face it,
42:16.8
the Duterte brand,
42:20.2
Ito, para sa mga trolls na humirit kanina.
42:24.0
Categorically say it.
42:25.1
The Duterte brand is strong.
42:27.3
The Duterte brand is durable.
42:30.1
The followers of the Dutertes
42:35.5
They are evangelists
42:39.2
who make it their mission to convert.
42:43.0
yan ang sagot sa katanungan
42:48.1
at bakit siya binabato.
42:49.5
Dahil napakabunga po
42:51.9
Talagang babatuhin yan.
42:54.4
for perfectly describing our
42:59.0
Ganon talaga kami.
43:02.1
That tribe, tribe.
43:03.0
Baka may ma-offend eh.
43:04.4
walk-on na generation ngayon eh.
43:06.4
Tama ba in tribe?
43:07.1
You're culturally appropriating the term.
43:12.8
ng sinabi ni Alan.
43:13.7
Ganyan kami mga DDS eh.
43:15.2
Ganyan kami talaga.
43:16.1
So, abangan mo na.
43:16.9
So, abangan na lang po natin
43:19.9
na naka-fistbump si Ian Esguerra
43:21.9
at yan ang magiging memes.
43:23.9
At yan ang gagawin nilang
43:28.5
laban sa Pax First.
43:30.9
Gawin natin dalawa.
43:35.0
Dalawahin pa natin eh.
43:36.7
Di Superman na yan.
43:37.6
Di Superman na yan.
43:42.3
Ito may isang tanong ko, no?
43:44.1
Ian, you do know that
43:46.0
a lot of your listeners
43:47.0
are not getting your jokes.
43:48.8
You do know this.
43:49.7
You are aware of this,
43:51.4
That not everybody is
43:53.5
getting the sarcastic undertones
43:58.2
of your pronouncements, kapatid.
44:01.6
Ah, sarcastic ba yan?
44:04.0
Alam niyo po kasi,
44:05.0
konting reminder lang,
44:06.3
a little note about sarcasm.
44:09.4
if it needs to be explained.
44:16.0
Naglalakuhan yun.
44:17.8
Nawawala yung subtlety, no?
44:19.1
Yan ang kulang sa kultura natin ngayon, eh, no?
44:21.9
The art of subtlety, no?
44:23.5
Pwede sa mga movies,
44:24.3
nakikita natin yan, eh.
44:27.1
nag-away yung mga trolls,
44:29.2
wala pong subtlety yun, eh.
44:31.1
ang bawin ng hininga mo, eh.
44:33.7
That is the lowest form.
44:36.3
There are a thousand and one ways
44:37.9
to insult another person.
44:42.8
Intelligence has been chasing them,
44:45.1
but they have run,
44:51.7
Parang isang editor ay no, no?
44:53.4
May isang naiyayari.
44:54.9
he has a running gun battle
44:56.4
with the English language.
45:01.2
ang frequent term na ginagamit ko,
45:03.2
I often joust with humility
45:09.8
Humility is always the victim.
45:12.9
Stab it through the heart.
45:18.1
Sir, hindi ko na po nasusundan
45:19.2
yung pinag-uusapan.
45:21.3
Duterte lang po yung hahanapin
45:23.3
Ano ba yung sinasabi ron?
45:25.1
Hindi ba predictable naman
45:26.8
yung mga banat na yung
45:29.3
don't get me wrong
45:31.1
Legit po yung mga issues
45:32.0
na binabato sa kanya.
45:34.4
Merong demolition job.
45:36.2
Pero ang position ko dyan kasi,
45:38.2
nagkaroon ng reason eh.
45:40.3
Kaya mas madaling
45:41.0
magkaroon ng traction.
45:41.8
Ang point ko naman,
45:42.6
hindi ba predictable naman doon?
45:46.3
at least based on the surveys,
45:47.5
you have the strongest chance
45:48.8
to win the presidency in 2020.
45:51.5
So predictable yan.
45:52.3
Babaratan ka ngayon.
45:53.3
Kahit magpakipot ka man,
45:54.6
wala kang sabihin
45:55.6
na may bala kang tumakbo
45:58.6
Nangyari yung KB na eh.
46:01.3
during the Aquino administration,
46:03.8
na-interview siya.
46:06.4
parang to the effect na
46:07.9
para ipokreto naman ako.
46:09.5
Hindi po exact words ah.
46:10.8
Para ipokreto naman siya
46:11.9
kung sasabihin niya
46:13.1
ginagan yung presidency.
46:15.1
At binagbog sarado siya.
46:17.6
So predictable yan.
46:21.6
tracking it back to VP
46:29.5
Nabinay si Sarah.
46:31.4
binibinay si Sarah.
46:34.7
the most crystallized example
46:36.8
of a demolition job
46:38.5
that went very well,
46:40.8
really did its job,
46:42.5
then presidential
46:47.4
Nung nagkaroon ng
46:51.3
to Christian's point,
46:52.3
and I have to keep on
46:53.3
underscoring and underlining this,
46:56.0
all valid issues,
46:57.7
lumabas yung baboyan niya
46:58.9
na yung mga baboy
47:01.1
lumabas yung higanting
47:03.5
with the greatest
47:04.7
Senate resource person
47:07.9
in my whole life.
47:09.2
That guy who supposedly
47:11.2
Do you remember that guy?
47:12.8
yun, idol ko yun.
47:14.1
Ito ba yung farm na parang
47:15.5
pattern after yung sa London
47:17.5
or sa Versailles?
47:19.2
Yung nani-Q Jo, no?
47:20.8
He did not crack.
47:22.7
That dude did not crack,
47:25.8
May videos na lumalabas
47:27.6
na talagang pagmamayari
47:30.7
he did not crack.
47:34.8
in the case of VP Sarah,
47:37.5
the only thing surprising
47:39.5
it came this early,
47:44.0
seize a bull by the horns.
47:48.7
See, I'm pandering
47:51.1
Diba, you cannot punch
47:52.1
a gift horse in the mouth.
47:53.6
That is the idiomatic
47:54.8
expression, diba?
47:60.0
The perfect opportunity
48:01.1
arose in Congress
48:02.3
about these confidential funds.
48:06.8
Ito na yung isa kong tanong.
48:07.9
I don't know whether you
48:08.8
can or would like
48:11.0
pero tingnan na natin.
48:12.1
Eh, sino ba naman
48:13.9
yung magde-demolition job
48:17.1
Saan ba namang direction
48:20.2
Well, the only logical way
48:21.8
to answer that is
48:23.1
who does it benefit
48:29.5
the leading presidential
48:30.8
than other people
48:32.0
aspiring to be president.
48:34.8
titignan na lang natin
48:36.4
listahan ng pangalan
48:38.4
kadalasan na lumalabas
48:44.1
presidential balls
48:49.7
At sino ba may pera?
48:51.1
At sino ba may pera?
48:56.0
baka madulas ako eh.
49:00.6
dali doon dat, ah.
49:02.2
May kilala ko kasi,
49:04.0
ayong the presidency,
49:05.2
medyo gumagalaw na ngayon,
49:08.5
Tsaka yung isang,
49:09.8
isang malaking kandidato ngayon,
49:13.7
behind the scenes,
49:14.5
nagpe-prepare talaga
49:18.1
Na dating kabaro mo.
49:19.4
Ay, kabaro mo pa rin.
49:25.5
iba yata suot nun.
49:26.4
Maitimi yata yung suot nun.
49:29.4
I refuse to be identified
49:30.9
in the same field
49:35.4
hallowed profession.
49:39.0
Walaan nyo na lang po
49:39.8
kung sino yung pinag-uusapan namin.
49:41.3
Pero nag-gets ko agad,
49:44.8
Baka naman galing
49:45.7
kay Riza Ontiveros
49:46.6
yung demolition job.
49:54.1
na masasabi ko is
49:56.8
does not have the resources
49:59.1
nor the predilection
50:00.2
to engage in demolition jobs.
50:03.3
Ano wala po kayo?
50:05.3
Sa pagkakakilala ko
50:06.3
kay Riza Ontiveros.
50:07.3
Kaya binato ko yan, eh.
50:08.3
That was actually
50:08.9
a ridiculous question.
50:13.5
Senator Riza wishes
50:14.6
that she had the resources
50:15.9
to engage in such things
50:19.2
she truly does not.
50:21.7
Meron din naman syempre
50:22.9
dun sa broad opposition
50:25.7
of doing such things
50:27.0
pero hindi yan, ano,
50:29.7
wala yan sa kalam ng sikmura
50:31.8
ni Riza Ontiveros.
50:34.3
Agree with you 100%.
50:37.9
anong gagawin natin dito ngayon?
50:39.7
Eh, sabi niya may demolition job, eh.
50:41.1
Eh, nasan yung troll kanina?
50:42.1
Hindi ko na nahanap.
50:47.9
Hindi natin alam.
50:50.4
Hindi ba nagpalit ng pangalan?
50:54.7
Maraming salamat, Alan, ha?
50:56.0
So, marami na naman
50:57.1
kami natutunan sa'yo
50:57.9
pero ito seryoso kong, ano,
50:59.2
seryoso kong tanong ito.
51:01.1
Hindi ko ba talaga
51:01.9
nagbabalak maglabas
51:07.3
Well, there have been
51:09.1
some offers for me
51:12.1
a regular column,
51:17.4
a lot of people were saying
51:18.5
the three Herman boys
51:20.5
kasi generational, eh.
51:22.1
First, it was my dad,
51:23.2
then for a very short time,
51:24.4
it was my brother,
51:26.5
Siyempre, ako yung pinakapogi
51:29.2
Yung pinakamagaling?
51:30.8
Eh, lahat magaling.
51:33.6
we're good in our own ways,
51:35.4
the original is always best.
51:37.4
Nothing beats an original.
51:42.1
pag nagka-time tayo,
51:44.8
very much in demand yung,
51:49.0
sa mga Christmas party, eh.
51:54.4
Parang yung boxer
52:01.9
Mahilig kasi kami
52:02.7
sa boxing ni, ano eh,
52:04.4
Mahilig, mahilig.
52:05.3
That is my passion.
52:10.1
Maraming salamat, ah.
52:10.9
Abangan namin yung, yung,
52:15.3
At, ah, good evening
52:16.1
sa lahat ng Faxnatics.
52:18.1
naging malino naman
52:19.1
ang ating mensahe
52:20.5
Again, we're not, ah,
52:21.8
we're not taking any
52:24.5
being pro or anti
52:25.7
any political leaning.
52:29.2
Ah, facts first lang po.
52:31.0
ang pinag-uusapan natin.
52:38.3
Maraming salamat.
52:39.7
Thank you, thank you.
52:40.9
Thank you, thank you.
52:47.2
Naka, nakapanayan po natin, no?
52:50.1
sa kanyang views, no?
52:54.3
Anong, anong tingin nyo?
52:56.1
Batiin muna natin
52:57.0
si Bernardo Mendiola.
52:58.8
Yan, watching from
52:59.6
Commonwealth, Quezon City.
53:04.4
Ayan, batiin natin
53:07.7
Ayan, binabati rin natin
53:10.1
na Duterte fanatic.
53:15.6
Mukhang bumalik ka lang,
53:18.6
Hinahanap ko yung troll kanina.
53:23.8
Maraming salamat sa inyo.
53:26.9
kay Menchi Mizuno
53:28.0
at yung mga kaibigan natin
53:31.5
Maligayang pananood
53:32.4
sa mga kaibigan natin
53:35.8
mga kaibigan natin
53:36.6
dito sa Pilipinas.
53:38.6
Maraming, maraming salamat po
53:40.9
Yung mga nakakasalubong ko,
53:42.2
pagpakalat-kalat ako
53:44.1
maraming salamat po
53:45.0
sa inyong mga statements
53:47.4
Abangan nyo pala,
53:48.1
meron po tayong bagong
53:49.0
Facts First Convo
53:52.2
Ang kausap po natin
53:54.2
veteran journalist
53:56.9
Pinag-usapan po namin
53:58.7
talaga bang, ano,
54:03.6
Filipino journalists
54:04.9
unlike, let's say,
54:05.8
yung mga journalists
54:10.2
Kasi, pinag-usapan namin
54:12.0
journalistic traditions.
54:13.7
maganda yung discussion na yan.
54:16.2
Para mas makadagdag po
54:18.2
sa kaalaman natin.
54:19.2
Kasi yun naman po
54:19.8
yung goal natin eh
54:20.8
dito sa programa na ito.
54:22.3
Minsan nag-aasaran,
54:23.5
minsan sarcastic,
54:24.6
or madalas sarcastic.
54:35.6
nakadagdag sa kaalaman.
54:39.7
kung ano-anong kalokohan.
54:47.6
Maraming salamat sa'yo.
54:50.2
lagi nanonood dyan.
54:52.7
maraming salamat sa'yo.
54:55.3
sana makasalubong kita.
54:57.3
Samba tayo pakalat-kalat.
55:00.8
Sige, gabi na po.
55:02.3
Maraming salamat po.
55:14.7
nakapunta na po tayo
55:16.1
and some parts of China.
55:17.8
And I liked it there.
55:18.9
Maganda po ang China.
55:22.7
Maraming salamat po sa inyo lahat.
55:23.9
Ako po si Christian Esguerra
55:24.9
and kita-kita po tayo
55:28.5
Magandang gabi pa.
55:37.8
Thank you for watching!
