A special Richard & Chris episode.

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Okay bro, since last time we talked politics, wow man, were you surprised by how all out si Digong accusing the guy of not only, I mean he didn't even say pulvoronic, he said drug addict yung presidente natin tapos nagbumura muna siya tapos sabi niya yung military AFP I call on you like grabe diba?

Actually walang pumatol sa kanya but that was crazy right? He went like, forget about guns blazing, he went like bazooka blazing. I mean were you surprised by how crazy Duterte went? I mean what is your sense with all of this?

Well right now I think everyone looks at Duterte as a crazy person. Okay not everyone. He still has a significant following that still believes every word he says which is weird.

Harap-harapan nagsisinungaling siya sa kanyang sariling mga followers. Harap-harapan. He gaslights them like crazy and yet they still believe him every word he says.

Which is weird. But it's getting smaller and smaller. I'm telling you a lot of people that used to believe in Duterte do not anymore, especially when he went against Marcos.

So the tide has turned. Ngayon the problem lang is when you have an ex-president that's speaking the way he does, with all the threats he's making, these are legal, these are against the law.

Yeah, I mean like insurrection.

So what I'm surprised with is that why is the government not going after him? Yun lang. So this is where I see that in reality, honestly, I think BBM is, I think he's...

He's too kind?

No, I think he's afraid.

He's too timid. That's what you're saying.

Yeah, sure. Timid. He's timid. Like perfect example, he was in front of the interviewer. The interviewer literally said, why are you laughing?

He was just like, muckering all the interviewers.

He couldn't even speak properly.

Alamano niya yan, alamano.

Yeah, so yun ang problem lang kay BBM. I never looked at him talaga naman as a very strong person. I honestly, you know, I have my doubts talaga about the elections. I have my very legitimate questions about that election.

But nonetheless, this is the system we were with and that's who we're with. I don't have a major problem with him.

I want, sana lang na huwag tayong papander to an ex-president that thinks they can get away with murder, pretty much.

And they're getting away with murder because the current administration is not doing enough to be able to show the Filipino people that everyone is equal in the eyes of the law.

No one is above the law. Because right now, nakikita natin that there's somebody above the law because the current administration doesn't have either the balls or like you said, maybe just too timid.

Or maybe...

It's the non-confrontational nature of Filipinos na huwag na lang natin patulan kahit na gano'n...

Hayaan mo na, matanda na yan.

Matanda na, siraulo na yan. Hayaan mo na. Pero that causes a lot of damage.

But there were a lot of backroom dealings that happened because after Duterte did all those things, talk-telling him is a drug addict, suddenly nag-180.

Wala akong sinabing drug addict yan and wala, let's protect the Philippines. I want Philippines to be all together.

And at the same time, bigla na lang, ICC not coming in na daw.

So may mga parang backroom dealings sa ata nangyari dito.

It doesn't look like backroom because it's so obvious that there's stuff going inside.

I mean, they're not even subtle about it.

Yeah, exactly.

It's not subtle at all. That's the problem.

But then again, at some point, for me, I always say BBM has to make the decision.

I mean, the ICC thing, he cannot dance around it forever.

And this is what comes up in my other discussion.

I mean, if he doesn't go after the other side based on legitimate criminal charges, they're going to come back.

I mean, after midterms, it's all about 2028.

And who's leading in the surveys? At least one of them is Sara Duterte.

So that's my point, that timidity could come to cost him later on and cost everyone.

Because I think there's a sea change between Marcos and Duterte.

Not that Marcos is embodiment of great leadership or progressive leadership.

I still have a lot of issues with accountability, justice, so on and so forth.

But iba pa rin. I mean, at least we still have a democratic space.

I don't know, Chris, that back in the day, during the time of Digong, my goodness,

every time he come and say something, death threats, attack, everything.

So at least now, medyo konting gano.

I mean, it's not Sweden, it's not Serbia, but at least it's not, I don't know, Narcos, Colombia feel.

Yeah, it's true. Right now, the political climate is much better than it was six years ago.

But he needs to step up, and I hope he does.

And I think he should for his own political survival.

Because, remember, he's trying to groom family members to be part of the system.

And not only that, once he steps down as president, and let's say that Duterte has come back,

oh, trust me, they're vindictive. We've seen that.

What do you think is going to happen to BBM and his family?

They might not give him the favors that he got the last time.

So yun ang nakikita ko pwede mangyari.

That's why, if I were him, man, I don't know, let's play this game.

Let's play Thrones and play it well.

Yun nga.

My sense is the guy knows what's going on and what he needs to do.

It's just a question of when he'll do it.

My worry is, itong mga foreign travels niya is his way of postponing the inevitable.

Huwag na lang, like, travel na lang.

I feel like that's his way of escaping it.

Like, Waldo na lang ako, Astoria na lang ako.

And that's my worry, that these foreign trips are just giving an excuse not to make the tough decisions.

And my other worry is, he doesn't also have the right guy.

Wala siyang bongo, wala siyang operator.

Because you need an enforcer, right?

The president is a symbolic figurehead, whatever.

But he needs someone there who'll enforce, right?

The kind of conciliary.

Wala siyang conciliary, right?

Godfather has to have a conciliary.

Well, he at one point at least had Martin Romaldes.

No, Martin Romaldes is still there.

Because Martin Romaldes is out there himself, right?

In a sense that he wants to run.

For president, for higher office.

He's in the ring, eh.

What you need is a conciliary in the shadows.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying, right?

Right.

Martin is too much in the ring.

Nakikipag, ano na siya, eh.

You need someone in the shadows.

Let's be honest.

In Philippine politics nowadays, you need an operator.

Yeah.

Who fights the good fight.

Yeah, yeah, you're right.

Who fights the good fight.

And yun ang worry ko.

Kaya sabi ko, si Ronald Llamas na lang yung operator na.

Just kidding.

But you need that.

Because Digong had a bongo.

Maybe Digong.

Digong himself was sabog, right?

He's not gonna do the everyday, you know, enforcement.

You need someone dynamic, strong, young even to do that.

Or someone with military background, military connection,

considering all of the coup plots.

But I like it.

I like it.

I think this sets the tone for a very last short episode.

Kasi there's no way we can talk about Duterte without discussing Kiboloy.

So I want to get your point of view.

Because remember, we started our discussion today on women's,

International Women's Day.

And, you know, as far as Riza Ontiveros is concerned,

and I think we really have to talk about them,

she's doing everything she's doing,

especially for minorities, oppressed people,

and especially for women,

yung mga na-abuso, mga na-biktima, or allegedly.

So let's talk about it in the last part.

This is also our way of, you know,

showing solidarity with strong women leaders,

and also with all of those unsung heroes and women

who have been abused and victimized.

And hopefully, they will find their voice and also see justice.

Salamat, bro.

I really appreciate this.

Thank you so much.