02:24.6
Lunatics, scoundrels. Parang binabaha tayo. El Niño, La Niña, pero binabaha na tayo this early ng itong mga scoundrels na ito.
02:38.2
Kailangan may magpakita naman na naiiba sa landscape. Uphill yan. Uphill yan. Dahil alam mo naman, mga botante natin ay...
02:46.7
Have to win back their hearts kasi... I mean, just to remind people, before bashing the voters, our people also brought Pinoy into power. Our people made...
02:55.2
Ang ibig ko sabihin, voters want to be given what they want, not only what they need. So kailangan mo ng balance.
03:06.5
At the desire, yeah.
03:07.3
Kailangan mo ng balance.
03:08.2
Yung mga activist kapag natin, ang focus natin, what people need.
03:11.8
That's a very good point.
03:12.7
Yun yung sasabihin ko na kailangan ng kaunting, hindi lang tweaking.
03:18.1
Kailangan ng kaunting Spice Girls.
03:23.5
Okay, okay, okay.
03:25.1
Kailangan natin ng Spice Girls.
03:27.0
Kailangan na Dilima.
03:29.5
But ito, Lely, I mean, what is your take on this?
03:32.7
Because, you know, Riza is also a good friend of yours and you have been in conversation with her.
03:38.2
So, in terms of understanding, where's her state of mind, where things are in terms of her, you know...
03:45.6
Well, I know, but I mean, how should I put it?
03:50.1
Kasi ganito, okay, I'll spell this out na, you know.
03:53.8
Len is still number three dun sa mga surveys.
03:56.2
From both Wat and Ronat, I understand, number one na si Rafi Tulfo.
04:00.6
Okay, so for the past two quarters, it's Rafi na.
04:03.0
And Lelo, you are the last person to be surprised by this.
04:06.1
We have been talking about the rise of...
04:08.2
Not one, but potentially three Tulfos.
04:11.4
Si Ben, you know, kahit si Bitag, nandyan na rin.
04:14.6
Ang bahasa ko, Ben will try to run also for president.
04:17.3
So, yung tatlo na yun na Tulfo, nako, maging grabing competition na yan.
04:21.8
So, i-Bitag kayo lahat.
04:23.4
Kaya, pare, di ba?
04:27.3
Ilalagay ko yan sa patibong ng aking Bitag.
04:29.9
Ito yung favorite mo, si Ben, di ba?
04:33.5
Isumbong ka, Tulfo, di ba?
04:34.9
Yan yung, ano, household word na yan.
04:38.2
Ito yung, lalabanan natin yung corruption.
04:44.6
Yan yung tuwang nila, yung tuwang na American.
04:47.8
Kaya si Ben yung may pinakamakapal na tuwang.
04:51.9
Imagine mo, mag-state of the nation din yan.
04:54.6
Pero, going back to this,
04:57.2
no, because Lenny is still number three sa mga surveys,
04:59.8
and Lenny has not made clear where she stands,
05:02.5
there's some people pa rin who are saying
05:05.3
she has to have another shot at this, di ba?
05:08.1
nag-first runner-up naman siya,
05:09.3
nanalan naman siya.
05:12.6
until hindi tayo clear dyan,
05:15.3
the momentum is slipping away, di ba?
05:18.9
hindi mo pwede pag-andaan ng 2027, 2028.
05:21.5
We saw what happened last time
05:22.8
when you do things at 11th hour,
05:24.9
nalock-in na ng kabilan yan, di ba?
05:26.7
I mean, the Tulfos are gaining ground,
05:29.2
Sara will still be there, last time I checked.
05:31.1
And, di ba, Ronald, we discussed,
05:32.9
Basta will be option B.
05:34.4
If ever Sara suddenly drops out of the game,
05:37.0
Basta will be there,
05:38.1
and I don't think Basta is someone we should...
05:39.3
More handsome, di ko.
05:40.9
Although, maging 40 ba siya by 2028?
05:43.5
Yun lang nang hindi ako siguro sa...
05:45.1
Hindi, ako nga, maging 40 na pala siya.
05:49.0
Unlike Vico Soto,
05:50.0
unfortunately, hindi pa siya pasok.
05:51.6
So, yung mga umasakay,
05:53.5
Vico Soto, maaga pa.
05:55.0
Unlike, I don't know,
05:56.0
sa France ka, 34 years old na yung prime minister,
05:58.3
pwede na eh, di ba?
06:02.6
And stylish pa, di ba?
06:04.1
Medyo, le francais.
06:05.6
No, Lelo, where do you stand on this?
06:08.1
It's a difficult conversation,
06:09.3
and probably I was the first idiot to steer the fire,
06:13.4
Kaya nga ang daming galit sa akin.
06:17.6
I wonder why maraming galit sa iyo.
06:19.1
Kaya nga si Sani ang, ano eh,
06:20.9
di ba, siya lang nag-support sa akin na gano'n.
06:24.0
there must be something between me and Sani Trillas.
06:27.3
Siguro talagang mga ano tayo, no?
06:28.8
Yung mga toxic masculinity.
06:30.4
I'm just kidding.
06:31.2
No, but seriously,
06:32.3
Lelo, I mean, what is your read on this thing?
06:34.9
Yun nga, di ba, matagal na dapat,
06:37.0
kasi matagal nang pinasayay.
06:38.1
Yung baton kay Risa, di ba?
06:40.5
After the election pa lang,
06:41.7
sinabi na ni Lenny yan.
06:42.8
Pero wala namang sumeryoso doon eh.
06:45.1
Hindi sineryoso ng followers ni Lenny.
06:48.1
I think sineryoso ng followers ni Risa
06:50.5
kasi ayaw rin naman magbukang ambisyoso.
06:54.5
At saka nandyan pa rin naman si Lenny.
06:56.0
But I think from Lenny's perspective,
06:58.4
I mean, just tingnan nyo yung social media ni Lenny.
07:00.8
Mukha bang tatakbo yan?
07:01.9
Mukha bang interesado yan in national politics?
07:04.4
Mukha ang interest si Lenny ngayon is
07:06.3
to connect with Filipinos
07:07.8
across the world, for one thing.
07:11.9
she misses her family.
07:14.1
Nanay na nanay ang kanyang Instagram.
07:16.2
Nanay na nanay ang kanyang social media.
07:19.6
ang kind of national advocacy ni Lenny ngayon
07:22.2
is to think about
07:23.6
national problems related to
07:25.8
disinformation and things like that.
07:27.6
Yan ang kanyang mga lecture mostly.
07:29.0
Ganyan ang mga kanyang pinag-uusapan.
07:30.7
Pero hindi na talaga pinag-uusapan ni Lenny
07:33.1
ang electoral politics.
07:34.7
And if she wants to do it,
07:35.6
she needs to shift now.
07:36.9
Pero mukhang wala namang gano'ng
07:37.8
passing interest.
07:38.8
Mukhang kumagkakaroon ng interest local.
07:41.4
But the local one could be
07:42.8
the jumping point for 2020.
07:46.2
But the local could be
07:47.0
a jumping point for 2020.
07:48.6
Or at least that's the hope of it.
07:49.7
Pero I think meron talagang level dito
07:51.2
na kailangan tanggapin ng mga kakamping
07:53.1
na out na yung idolo nila.
07:56.1
And the next movement
07:57.1
should not be a kakamping movement.
08:00.1
So yung gusto kong ititanong sa inyo is
08:02.0
kung magsalita minsan
08:03.9
yung people like Sunny
08:04.7
sasabi nila yung mga kakamping
08:06.3
dapat suportahan ng series.
08:09.8
What's beyond the kakamping?
08:11.5
Meron bang beyond the kakamping?
08:13.5
Meron bang constituency
08:14.7
na pwedeng masagap si Risa
08:16.2
that transcends yung kakamping base
08:19.1
na nabuon ni Lenny
08:21.0
nung last election?
08:22.6
She got more votes, right?
08:26.9
Ano yung concerns nila?
08:28.7
Paano mo sila iko-convince?
08:31.0
Anong demographic nila?
08:33.1
Isang dahilan kung bakit
08:37.8
ay dahil dun sa unity
08:39.3
ng Duterte at saka ng Marcos.
08:41.8
Wala namang ibang campaign peg eh.
08:46.8
Siguro, distant second
08:48.1
yung 20 pesos na rise.
08:50.0
So, yun yung kanila eh.
08:52.1
Yung Duterte brand
08:53.6
and the Marcos brand
08:54.6
joining together.
08:58.1
Wag mong kalimutin.
08:58.7
In a very simple campaign,
09:02.3
unlike halimbawa yung Lenny campaign
09:04.0
na medyo cluttered.
09:05.3
Ang daming issues.
09:09.6
wala na yung unity.
09:13.3
isa yun sa mga pwedeng pagkuhanan.
09:15.4
Yung mga bumoto for unity,
09:17.0
nakita pa na siya nag-unravel.
09:19.3
Yun yung pwedeng kunin niya.
09:21.4
Meron pa rin may iwan sa Digong.
09:23.8
Meron pa rin may iwan sa Marcos.
09:25.5
Pero, in between,
09:26.8
baka pwedeng may makuha si Risa
09:31.2
Dun sa kakampinks.
09:33.2
Dun sa kakampinks.
09:34.5
So, anong hunch mo?
09:36.6
Like, anong nakikita mo?
09:37.8
Sino sila, Ronald?
09:39.9
Sino yung mga yun?
09:40.9
Like, ano yung concerns nila?
09:42.9
Or even demographics?
09:45.3
Anong class nila?
09:46.7
60% of voters are young people.
09:49.7
And most of that,
09:50.8
nakuha pa rin ni BBM
09:57.1
Yung ganong classing,
09:58.3
at least substantially.
10:00.0
Paano kahit nakakuha si Lea
10:01.6
nilang 15 million votes,
10:03.7
Yung sa kabataan,
10:05.3
kamaramihan pa rin
10:06.2
na kay BBM, Sara.
10:07.2
At magtitingnan mo yung numbers.
10:14.6
These are 3-4 years old
10:16.5
when EDSA happened.
10:20.0
pangakit mo sa kanila.
10:23.7
Iba yung pangakit.
10:24.7
Hindi na pwede yung mga lumang
10:26.5
yellow narrative,
10:32.2
for your network.
10:33.9
Pero kung gusto mong manalo,
10:35.2
you have to go beyond that.
10:40.5
So, ano na yung bago
10:42.5
na ating kwento, Ronald?
10:44.1
Kasi medyo malungkot din eh
10:46.1
nung last EDSA celebration.
10:49.3
EDSA celebration,
10:50.3
yes, importante na sa rewain.
10:51.9
Pero lumalabas din minsan
10:53.4
yung pagkalaos ng mga tao eh.
10:55.4
Every time sineselebrate yung EDSA.
10:57.5
Kasi nakikita mo,
10:59.9
sige, bigyan natin kayo
11:01.5
to celebrate your nostalgia.
11:03.2
Pero kakakakanta na naman
11:04.4
ang handog ng Pilipino,
11:05.6
kakakanta na naman
11:08.4
lalabas na naman,
11:10.9
parang walang pumapansin.
11:13.6
Parang nostalgic.
11:15.9
bibigay ko sa inyo
11:17.3
yung nostalgia nyo
11:18.9
Pero ang objective kasi
11:19.6
Lelo yung last EDSA,
11:22.2
Ang objective dyan
11:23.1
is to consolidate your base.
11:24.6
Because last year,
11:36.7
kung para last year,
11:39.0
na sobrang subdued,
11:41.1
Ngayon, medyo lumawak.
11:43.5
to consolidate your base.
11:46.5
from the BBM-Duterte pa.
11:48.9
So, i-consolidate mo muna
11:50.4
dahil yan ang gagamitin
11:55.9
in their hundreds
11:58.9
Huwag mo kalimutan,
11:59.8
yung rally sa Pasig
12:01.7
is 700,000 people.
12:04.7
Yung rally sa Pasay,
12:06.8
Yung meeting the advance,
12:07.8
1.2 million sa Makati.
12:10.3
all over the country,
12:11.6
hundreds of thousands.
12:12.6
These are the biggest rallies
12:14.8
Hindi yan EDSA crowd.
12:16.3
Yan yung kakamping.
12:18.1
Yan yung second part
12:19.1
na kailangan mo i-harness.
12:24.7
kay BBM at saka kay Sarang.
12:28.3
Dito mo kinakailangan,
12:29.9
sa ikatlong stage,
12:31.4
yan yung tinatanong mo,
12:32.5
ano na yung narrative?
12:37.6
punta tayo sa second stage.
12:39.0
Yung second stage,
12:39.6
ang kailangan mo doon,
12:44.5
ang proposal naman kasi dati,
12:46.1
after the election,
12:51.6
and listening tour
12:55.6
It never happened.
12:56.9
Dahil nga si Lenny
13:03.9
mag-sharpest line.
13:04.9
Hindi siya pwede.
13:05.0
Hindi siya pwede.
13:05.0
Hindi siya pwede.
13:05.1
Hindi siya pwede.
13:05.1
Hindi siya pwede.
13:05.2
Na kinakailangan mo
13:06.5
as an opposition leader.
13:09.0
kinakailangan mo magkaroon
13:10.7
doon sa mga bills mo.
13:12.7
Pero after the midterm,
13:14.0
magbabago na yan.
13:15.5
After the midterm,
13:16.6
magbabago na yan.
13:19.1
Pwede pa ba ang buhayin yun?
13:20.7
Yung nationwide tour
13:21.6
na magkasama sila?
13:24.7
I don't have the numbers eh.
13:28.8
itong mga survey ngayon,
13:34.0
yung nakukang boto ni Lenny
13:41.4
ano ba itong bagong survey firm,
14:02.3
Nag-aalap ng alternative.
14:03.3
Yan yung ibig sabihin.
14:07.8
pero significant.
14:11.4
na nakuhang boto ni Lenny,
14:12.9
nagkaroon siya ng 37.
14:16.1
Naghahanap yun ng leader,
14:17.4
naghahanap yun ng political project.
14:20.7
yan ay indicative
14:21.9
of a growing disenchantment
14:29.8
magandang symbol yan.
14:31.0
Magandang symbol.
14:31.7
Kaya nga sinasabi ko sa'yo,
14:33.0
the EDSA is different.
14:35.5
umalis ka doon sa nangyari last year
14:37.9
na halos walang celebration.
14:39.6
Ngayon na nationwide,
14:42.8
Pupunta ka ngayon sa second stage,
14:46.6
So, let's talk about yung kampanya ni Risa.
14:50.4
nakita natin yung kampanya ni Risa.
14:52.5
Simula pa lang doon sa magandang laban.
14:54.7
Hanggang doon sa pro moms.
14:56.8
Hanggang doon sa naging
14:57.8
really healthcare candidate si Risa.
15:00.6
nangapa ng nangapa
15:02.3
ang mga people around Risa.
15:04.0
Until nahanap yung formula na gumana.
15:08.0
connected largely sa healthcare.
15:10.2
On a substantive level,
15:11.8
pinapakita mo na yung governance.
15:14.0
Good governance manifests
15:15.4
in being able to provide people
15:17.1
with decent public services.
15:20.7
naging healthcare yung cost ni Risa.
15:22.3
Yun yung naging winning formula niya
15:23.6
after two previous tries.
15:26.5
Scalable ba yun, Ronald,
15:27.8
to a presidential campaign?
15:29.2
Iba kasi yung senador eh.
15:34.0
Marami kayo naglalaban.
15:37.2
halos one-on-one yan eh.
15:41.7
medyo mag-i-scale up ka eh.
15:43.7
Mag-i-scale up ka
15:47.5
yung medyo cognitive.
15:50.5
kailangan emotional eh.
15:52.3
Kailangan emotional eh.
15:53.6
Yung approach mo.
15:55.4
simply yung message.
15:58.8
what that will be.
16:01.6
bakit nalalampasan na
16:02.7
yung tool po si Sara?
16:05.2
Dahil si tool po,
16:11.5
yun yung caramel.
16:12.8
O, may kaunti siyang,
16:14.8
may hinahaluan niya
16:15.9
ng kaunting modernity eh.
16:17.4
Pero pinipili niya
16:18.3
yung battles niya.
16:19.2
Balat sa mga bilyar,
16:20.6
sa land conversion,
16:25.2
Dito sa pag-deteriorate
16:26.8
ng ating education.
16:29.7
Dahil yung mga may hirap,
16:30.9
yan na lang ang kanilang
16:32.4
quick rags to reach,
16:37.5
hindi siya bumabalat
16:39.6
Tahimik siya ron.
16:41.3
Yung mga nagdi-divide
16:44.0
after ng midterms.
16:46.4
saan wala siyang statement
16:47.8
Pero gumoto siya against.
16:50.6
Masama siya nila Risa
16:57.7
He's choosing his battles.
17:00.2
not too controversial
17:04.0
pero minemaintain niya
17:05.5
yung populist rhetoric.
17:07.8
Baka kailangan lang
17:08.9
dagdagan ni Risa yun.
17:11.6
Not yung populism na negative.
17:15.6
Something different.
17:16.5
Something emotional.
17:17.5
Something disruptive.
17:19.8
what people want.
17:21.7
Not only what they need.
17:23.9
Anong combination yan?
17:25.0
Without coming off as
17:27.0
Kasi the accusation against
17:28.9
nag-grandstand sila.
17:30.5
I know it works number-wise.
17:31.9
Pero value-added yun.
17:34.6
In our political system,
17:38.1
There's no other way
17:39.2
but to grandstand.
17:41.7
what are the embers
17:44.3
a next generation
17:48.1
anong maging next kulay.
17:49.6
Hopefully purple.
17:50.4
My favorite color.
17:51.9
Ano sa tingin mo?
17:52.7
What should be the elements?
17:54.2
What is the new synthesis?
17:56.3
kitatatakutan ko dito
17:58.2
is tama si Ronald eh.
17:59.6
Kailangan mo may consolidate
18:01.9
yung base nostalgic
18:06.0
kailangan ma-placate mo sila
18:08.3
yung mga traditional dilawan.
18:10.6
Pero kailangan mo rin
18:11.2
i-thumb down yung tendency
18:13.9
Kasi yun naman talaga
18:14.5
yung pinakamalaking problema
18:17.0
I was just looking through
18:18.0
op-eds na mga pro-Leni
18:22.1
mga sa inquirer na
18:23.5
kung binoto mo si Marcos,
18:26.8
existential threat
18:28.0
sa ating demokrasya
18:29.6
dahil kinakalimutan natin
18:32.3
ni Ninoy at saka ni Cory
18:34.0
meron pa rin gano'n eh.
18:35.2
As recently as yung
18:37.3
So, yung gano'ng klaseng base,
18:41.7
kasi hindi mo naman
18:42.5
kasi sila todo i-placate,
18:44.1
hindi mo naman sila
18:45.5
kailangan talagang i-placate
18:46.7
yung gano'ng klaseng
18:48.4
Kasi nung gagawin nila,
18:49.3
i-boboto nila si Marcos,
18:50.7
i-boboto nila yung
18:51.5
i-boboto nila yun.
18:52.6
Sa yun na yun eh.
18:54.0
Sa yun na yun eh.
18:56.8
ako sa tingin ko,
18:58.2
huwag mo na silang alagaan eh.
18:59.3
Kasi susunod naman niya
19:02.3
Just really come up with
19:03.6
a really new narrative.
19:05.2
Tapos every February,
19:08.1
you can wheel them out
19:09.8
and then celebrate them.
19:13.8
Kalimutan mo sila
19:15.8
para sila na ang ating
19:17.3
equivalent of mga
19:18.4
World War II veterans.
19:20.5
Magbibigay po kayo
19:23.9
Pagkatapos makakalimutan mo na sila
19:25.2
hindi ka nakakanta
19:25.9
ng handog ng Pilipino.
19:28.0
Ganyan yung impression.
19:28.9
So, ganyan yung impression.
19:29.3
Pero anong gagawin mo
19:30.4
doon sa mga Karen?
19:36.5
Mag-iiyay ang mga yan.
19:41.4
bobo yung oposisyon.
19:44.3
walang nagawang mali
19:48.3
tahimik ka na lang.
19:49.8
Ngitian mo na lang.
19:52.9
you really seek out
19:56.2
for the electorate
19:59.7
open yung mga tao
20:01.6
open yung mga tao
20:03.3
laki-laki nun eh.
20:05.7
malaki yung crowd na yun.
20:09.0
But that is going to be
20:09.8
the big challenge.
20:11.5
Very illuminating sa akin
20:13.0
yung framework ni Ronald.
20:17.6
Yung pinaka may hirap talaga
20:22.7
matalino naman kayo
20:24.0
pero wala kayong maisip
20:26.3
para doon sa next level.
20:27.3
So, mahirap talaga.
20:30.4
Maraming ako naisip
20:31.3
pero wag mo na nagsabihin
20:32.4
don't alert the enemy.
20:35.7
Baka makuha ni BBM
20:37.4
sa bagong Pilipinas niya.
20:39.5
Baka hindi politically correct eh.
20:43.6
Women's International Day.
20:45.5
Baga na muna tayo
20:46.3
mag-congratulate.
20:57.2
what's going to come
20:58.4
muntik na ako mag-doon, no?
21:00.3
Parang, I'm gonna see
21:01.3
what's there in the sand,
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see how far we have come,
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Like, remember when we were having
21:08.3
our first episodes together?
21:10.3
Talagang despondency tayong dalawa,
21:12.7
It was really depressing.
21:14.0
A lot of bitterness.
21:15.6
Look at how far we have come
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in the past 18 months
21:19.5
We have gone from despondency
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Baka naman, di ba?
21:25.6
so now we have good problem.
21:27.8
The good problem is like,
21:28.4
how are we gonna make use of
21:29.8
hindi na tayong survival mode, eh.
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Kasi medyo two years ago,
21:34.1
Puro tayong mga survival mode
21:35.6
in the sense that
21:36.8
all of us were lonely
21:39.9
We took independent position
21:41.7
Si Ronald, matagal na
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Ako, hindi ako lonely, ah.
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Ayan ka na naman, kani.
21:46.3
Ako, takot ko lang
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na single by choice.
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Ako, hindi ka lonely.
21:49.9
Kami ni Lelo, eh.
21:51.0
Kasi, dami nagkalit sa amin, eh.
21:53.0
Kasi, lalo si Lelo, eh.
21:54.4
Hindi ano yan, eh.
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He doesn't hold back.
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bardagulan on Twitter.
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Eh, doon na nga lang silang malakas
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Doon ko ba sila binabagulan, di ba?
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so, I think we have come very far.
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So, once you look back like that,
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I think we can look forward.
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Meron ako tanong sa inyo,
22:14.0
is it possible na,
22:16.8
analogy is imperfect, ah,
22:18.7
but that RISA could be,
22:20.0
a RISA campaign could be
22:21.1
a Bernie Sanders-type campaign
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na kahit hindi siya manalo,
22:25.8
kaya niyang itulak
22:26.8
yung other opposition figures.
22:28.4
To left position.
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let's game this out.
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merong Marcos or Duterte candidate.
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Merong Rafi Tulfo.
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we realize that the opposition
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really has to back Tulfo.
22:43.6
Otherwise, may mananalo na
22:44.8
pro-Marcos or pro-Duterte.
22:46.7
Si Rafi ang magiging presidente mo.
22:48.9
Pero gagamitin mo yung constituency ni RISA
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to push that candidate towards
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a more progressive.
22:55.2
Exactly, a leverage na.
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sa yung magiging Joe Biden,
22:59.8
si RISA yung magiging Bernie Sanders?
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Kasi sinasabi kong
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we shouldn't aim for a win,
23:05.7
pero realistically,
23:07.3
pwede mangyari yun.
23:10.5
Si Tulfo is not a Hillary
23:13.9
Pero wala siyang political party,
23:16.6
wala siyang political movement.
23:18.2
So, he's a blank check.
23:20.1
That could be positive or negative.
23:22.2
Ang gagawin mo is to contest
23:24.4
that blank check.
23:27.2
Di ba yun ang gagawin mo?
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kung depende kung
23:31.7
pataas si RISA sa survey,
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pwede silang mag-team
23:38.0
So, iba kasi kung bahagi ka ng team, eh,
23:40.8
para mag-negotiate.
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pero yung sinasabi mo,
23:44.8
that's feasible, no?
23:47.6
Actually, even almost probable, right?
23:49.8
I mean, if current trend lines continue,
23:52.6
that's the probable outcome.
23:55.5
wala talaga siyang plan.
23:56.6
Wala siyang machinery,
23:57.9
wala siyang political party,
24:00.3
wala siyang coalition, no?
24:01.6
Wala siyang platform,
24:04.2
which could be positive.
24:05.8
Dahil maghahanap siya.
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At kung nandun ka,
24:09.5
at kung nandun ka sa gilid-gilid, no?
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pwede mong i-contribute yun.
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he's a self-made man.
24:20.3
No offense, right?
24:21.1
That's the big difference with BBM.
24:22.6
Kasi di ba ang criticism natin kay BBM,
24:24.5
medyo blank pa rin siya, no?
24:26.8
The thing with Tulfo,
24:27.9
is meron siya yung will to power.
24:30.3
Very Nietzschean, di ba?
24:31.4
May will to power yung taong yan, di ba?
24:33.3
I mean, he has made it so far from what?
24:35.9
Ang main bill niya is land use.
24:40.4
Hindi malayo sa atin, ha?
24:41.8
Actually, you have a point.
24:44.8
Imaginein mo, ha?
24:48.9
yung defense of women and children,
24:51.7
hindi feminist na yung angle ni Rafi.
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Medyo chivalrous.
24:55.5
Kailangan ipaglaban ng mga pinakamahina
24:57.5
sa lipunan, gano'n.
24:58.7
Parang macho chivalrous yung kanyang approach to women and children.
25:01.5
But the point is,
25:02.8
malakas siya sa issue of women and children.
25:04.8
It's getting mixed up.
25:08.2
iba yung manifestation,
25:11.5
pero kung may feminista ka na
25:15.7
pwede mong baguhin yung tono nun.
25:17.8
Kasi buko siya sa gano'n, eh.
25:19.4
Kahit sa show pala niya,
25:20.6
ang pinakaayaw ni Rafi Tulfo,
25:22.7
naalala ko sa wanted sa radyo,
25:24.4
pinakagalit siya sa mga nang bubog-bog
25:28.5
Mga asawa, mga boyfriend, no?
25:30.5
Doon siya galit na galit.
25:32.1
And I think Riza being there,
25:34.2
meron siyang effect talaga, eh.
25:35.3
Diba? Nakita mo, even si Robin Hood,
25:37.0
very malumanay siya.
25:38.5
Ma'am, mawalang gana po.
25:40.9
I mean, mga gana, yung ano yung mga...
25:42.4
Very respectful siya and all of that, diba?
25:45.0
Mawalanggalang po, sorry.
25:47.6
Mawalanggalang na walanggana talaga
25:49.1
kung minsan sa mga sinasabi.
25:50.0
Tsaka, tsaka Big R.
25:54.7
And we have to make sure he stays on that course.
25:57.0
I mean, he has a good instinct for things, no?
26:00.3
And I think as long as majority of Filipinos are worried,
26:03.0
they are people like him.
26:04.5
I'm not saying he doesn't have conviction.
26:07.7
So I think we can close this episode
26:10.7
and go to the last episode.
26:12.0
Pag-usapan natin yung favorite ni Leloy.
26:15.1
U.S. Trade Delegation.
26:17.6
Industrial policy.
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We'll just see out na Leloy on this one.
26:20.8
Thank you so much, guys.
26:22.5
I think, for all we know,
26:24.1
baka tayo na lang ang talagang gumagawa
26:25.8
ng mga ganyan discussion, no?
26:27.0
Ang blueprint na talaga, no?
26:28.3
Ang kapal na mukha natin, eh.
26:29.9
I'm just saying, Leloy,
26:30.8
you never know who's listening to me.
26:32.2
May mga nag-text sa akin ng isang araw.
26:33.9
Alam ni Ronald yan.
26:34.9
At may pumipitik sa mga dilawat
26:37.8
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
26:38.9
Hindi na lang sa'yo galit, Richard.
26:42.4
Pero maraming mahal sa akin from other sides.
26:45.1
So okay lang, malans lang sa akin.
26:47.9
Thank you so much.
