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00:00.0
Okay, okay, eto na guys. This is it. Or eto na ba talaga? Is it time na for the kakamping, for the opposition, everyone to rally na behind Rizonti Veras? Because if you look at it, grabe, she has taken off the cudgels from since ever. But I think Kian De Los Santos time pa lang, she really proved the mettle of her leadership. But really, that was not an outlier case.
00:21.8
Eto kay case ni Quiboloy, grabe. It's Rizonti Veras has been taking off the cudgels. Grabe, grabe.
00:28.1
First of all, Ronald, how important do you think Rizonti Veras hearings and bringing in the victims and all of that has been to this moment we're arriving at na openly diniscuss natin yung possibility of arrest or complete exile ng isa sa mga pinakamalakas na tao nung panahon ni Digo?
00:45.6
Well, nung after ng election, nakita niyo naman paano pinasa ni Lenny yung baton kay Riza. Parang ikaw na, ikaw na mag-lead ng opposition. Pero syempre, honeymoon period pa yan eh. Parang bibigyan mo ng pagkakatawan yung presidente to prove his mettle. Kaya hindi naman opposition balat ng balat.
01:08.2
Pero almost two years na, dyan sa panahon na yan, si Riza naman na nag-scale up eh. In terms of criticism dun sa both sides, the Duterte and the Marcoses, Maharlika, Chacha, siya naman na nag-take na lead. At ngayon, siya yung nagpo-convene nung Big Tent para doon sa possible slate para sa midterms.
01:28.6
At tama yung sabi ni Sunny Trillanes, dapat i-harness na yung Pink Wave, which should have done much earlier.
01:38.2
Kaya papunta hindi lamang sa midterm kung hindi para tignan na rin yung 2028. Dahil napaaga na talaga eh. Yung 2028 ay napakaaga and the lines have been drawn. At nakikita mo yung mga iba't ibang mga morbid na mga pangyayari, kailangan naman may mag-scale up na hindi lamang decent, hindi lamang intelligent.
02:05.6
Pero meron naman talagang...
02:08.2
Meron naman mga reason for being na ililive yung ating politics, yung ating bansa, towards something much better than what we're seeing coming out of the woodwork.
02:24.6
Lunatics, scoundrels. Parang binabaha tayo. El Niño, La Niña, pero binabaha na tayo this early ng itong mga scoundrels na ito.
02:38.2
Kailangan may magpakita naman na naiiba sa landscape. Uphill yan. Uphill yan. Dahil alam mo naman, mga botante natin ay...
02:46.7
Have to win back their hearts kasi... I mean, just to remind people, before bashing the voters, our people also brought Pinoy into power. Our people made...
02:55.2
Ang ibig ko sabihin, voters want to be given what they want, not only what they need. So kailangan mo ng balance.
03:06.5
At the desire, yeah.
03:07.3
Kailangan mo ng balance.
03:08.2
Yung mga activist kapag natin, ang focus natin, what people need.
03:11.8
That's a very good point.
03:12.7
Yun yung sasabihin ko na kailangan ng kaunting, hindi lang tweaking.
03:18.1
Kailangan ng kaunting Spice Girls.
03:23.5
Okay, okay, okay.
03:25.1
Kailangan natin ng Spice Girls.
03:27.0
Kailangan na Dilima.
03:29.5
But ito, Lely, I mean, what is your take on this?
03:32.7
Because, you know, Riza is also a good friend of yours and you have been in conversation with her.
03:38.2
So, in terms of understanding, where's her state of mind, where things are in terms of her, you know...
03:45.6
Well, I know, but I mean, how should I put it?
03:50.1
Kasi ganito, okay, I'll spell this out na, you know.
03:53.8
Len is still number three dun sa mga surveys.
03:56.2
From both Wat and Ronat, I understand, number one na si Rafi Tulfo.
04:00.6
Okay, so for the past two quarters, it's Rafi na.
04:03.0
And Lelo, you are the last person to be surprised by this.
04:06.1
We have been talking about the rise of...
04:08.2
Not one, but potentially three Tulfos.
04:11.4
Si Ben, you know, kahit si Bitag, nandyan na rin.
04:14.6
Ang bahasa ko, Ben will try to run also for president.
04:17.3
So, yung tatlo na yun na Tulfo, nako, maging grabing competition na yan.
04:21.8
So, i-Bitag kayo lahat.
04:23.4
Kaya, pare, di ba?
04:27.3
Ilalagay ko yan sa patibong ng aking Bitag.
04:29.9
Ito yung favorite mo, si Ben, di ba?
04:33.5
Isumbong ka, Tulfo, di ba?
04:34.9
Yan yung, ano, household word na yan.
04:38.2
Ito yung, lalabanan natin yung corruption.
04:44.6
Yan yung tuwang nila, yung tuwang na American.
04:47.8
Kaya si Ben yung may pinakamakapal na tuwang.
04:51.9
Imagine mo, mag-state of the nation din yan.
04:54.6
Pero, going back to this,
04:57.2
no, because Lenny is still number three sa mga surveys,
04:59.8
and Lenny has not made clear where she stands,
05:02.5
there's some people pa rin who are saying
05:05.3
she has to have another shot at this, di ba?
05:08.1
nag-first runner-up naman siya,
05:09.3
nanalan naman siya.
05:12.6
until hindi tayo clear dyan,
05:15.3
the momentum is slipping away, di ba?
05:18.9
hindi mo pwede pag-andaan ng 2027, 2028.
05:21.5
We saw what happened last time
05:22.8
when you do things at 11th hour,
05:24.9
nalock-in na ng kabilan yan, di ba?
05:26.7
I mean, the Tulfos are gaining ground,
05:29.2
Sara will still be there, last time I checked.
05:31.1
And, di ba, Ronald, we discussed,
05:32.9
Basta will be option B.
05:34.4
If ever Sara suddenly drops out of the game,
05:37.0
Basta will be there,
05:38.1
and I don't think Basta is someone we should...
05:39.3
More handsome, di ko.
05:40.9
Although, maging 40 ba siya by 2028?
05:43.5
Yun lang nang hindi ako siguro sa...
05:45.1
Hindi, ako nga, maging 40 na pala siya.
05:49.0
Unlike Vico Soto,
05:50.0
unfortunately, hindi pa siya pasok.
05:51.6
So, yung mga umasakay,
05:53.5
Vico Soto, maaga pa.
05:55.0
Unlike, I don't know,
05:56.0
sa France ka, 34 years old na yung prime minister,
05:58.3
pwede na eh, di ba?
06:02.6
And stylish pa, di ba?
06:04.1
Medyo, le francais.
06:05.6
No, Lelo, where do you stand on this?
06:08.1
It's a difficult conversation,
06:09.3
and probably I was the first idiot to steer the fire,
06:13.4
Kaya nga ang daming galit sa akin.
06:17.6
I wonder why maraming galit sa iyo.
06:19.1
Kaya nga si Sani ang, ano eh,
06:20.9
di ba, siya lang nag-support sa akin na gano'n.
06:24.0
there must be something between me and Sani Trillas.
06:27.3
Siguro talagang mga ano tayo, no?
06:28.8
Yung mga toxic masculinity.
06:30.4
I'm just kidding.
06:31.2
No, but seriously,
06:32.3
Lelo, I mean, what is your read on this thing?
06:34.9
Yun nga, di ba, matagal na dapat,
06:37.0
kasi matagal nang pinasayay.
06:38.1
Yung baton kay Risa, di ba?
06:40.5
After the election pa lang,
06:41.7
sinabi na ni Lenny yan.
06:42.8
Pero wala namang sumeryoso doon eh.
06:45.1
Hindi sineryoso ng followers ni Lenny.
06:48.1
I think sineryoso ng followers ni Risa
06:50.5
kasi ayaw rin naman magbukang ambisyoso.
06:54.5
At saka nandyan pa rin naman si Lenny.
06:56.0
But I think from Lenny's perspective,
06:58.4
I mean, just tingnan nyo yung social media ni Lenny.
07:00.8
Mukha bang tatakbo yan?
07:01.9
Mukha bang interesado yan in national politics?
07:04.4
Mukha ang interest si Lenny ngayon is
07:06.3
to connect with Filipinos
07:07.8
across the world, for one thing.
07:11.9
she misses her family.
07:14.1
Nanay na nanay ang kanyang Instagram.
07:16.2
Nanay na nanay ang kanyang social media.
07:19.6
ang kind of national advocacy ni Lenny ngayon
07:22.2
is to think about
07:23.6
national problems related to
07:25.8
disinformation and things like that.
07:27.6
Yan ang kanyang mga lecture mostly.
07:29.0
Ganyan ang mga kanyang pinag-uusapan.
07:30.7
Pero hindi na talaga pinag-uusapan ni Lenny
07:33.1
ang electoral politics.
07:34.7
And if she wants to do it,
07:35.6
she needs to shift now.
07:36.9
Pero mukhang wala namang gano'ng
07:37.8
passing interest.
07:38.8
Mukhang kumagkakaroon ng interest local.
07:41.4
But the local one could be
07:42.8
the jumping point for 2020.
07:46.2
But the local could be
07:47.0
a jumping point for 2020.
07:48.6
Or at least that's the hope of it.
07:49.7
Pero I think meron talagang level dito
07:51.2
na kailangan tanggapin ng mga kakamping
07:53.1
na out na yung idolo nila.
07:56.1
And the next movement
07:57.1
should not be a kakamping movement.
08:00.1
So yung gusto kong ititanong sa inyo is
08:02.0
kung magsalita minsan
08:03.9
yung people like Sunny
08:04.7
sasabi nila yung mga kakamping
08:06.3
dapat suportahan ng series.
08:09.8
What's beyond the kakamping?
08:11.5
Meron bang beyond the kakamping?
08:13.5
Meron bang constituency
08:14.7
na pwedeng masagap si Risa
08:16.2
that transcends yung kakamping base
08:19.1
na nabuon ni Lenny
08:21.0
nung last election?
08:22.6
She got more votes, right?
08:26.9
Ano yung concerns nila?
08:28.7
Paano mo sila iko-convince?
08:31.0
Anong demographic nila?
08:33.1
Isang dahilan kung bakit
08:37.8
ay dahil dun sa unity
08:39.3
ng Duterte at saka ng Marcos.
08:41.8
Wala namang ibang campaign peg eh.
08:46.8
Siguro, distant second
08:48.1
yung 20 pesos na rise.
08:50.0
So, yun yung kanila eh.
08:52.1
Yung Duterte brand
08:53.6
and the Marcos brand
08:54.6
joining together.
08:58.1
Wag mong kalimutin.
08:58.7
In a very simple campaign,
09:02.3
unlike halimbawa yung Lenny campaign
09:04.0
na medyo cluttered.
09:05.3
Ang daming issues.
09:09.6
wala na yung unity.
09:13.3
isa yun sa mga pwedeng pagkuhanan.
09:15.4
Yung mga bumoto for unity,
09:17.0
nakita pa na siya nag-unravel.
09:19.3
Yun yung pwedeng kunin niya.
09:21.4
Meron pa rin may iwan sa Digong.
09:23.8
Meron pa rin may iwan sa Marcos.
09:25.5
Pero, in between,
09:26.8
baka pwedeng may makuha si Risa
09:31.2
Dun sa kakampinks.
09:33.2
Dun sa kakampinks.
09:34.5
So, anong hunch mo?
09:36.6
Like, anong nakikita mo?
09:37.8
Sino sila, Ronald?
09:39.9
Sino yung mga yun?
09:40.9
Like, ano yung concerns nila?
09:42.9
Or even demographics?
09:45.3
Anong class nila?
09:46.7
60% of voters are young people.
09:49.7
And most of that,
09:50.8
nakuha pa rin ni BBM
09:57.1
Yung ganong classing,
09:58.3
at least substantially.
10:00.0
Paano kahit nakakuha si Lea
10:01.6
nilang 15 million votes,
10:03.7
Yung sa kabataan,
10:05.3
kamaramihan pa rin
10:06.2
na kay BBM, Sara.
10:07.2
At magtitingnan mo yung numbers.
10:14.6
These are 3-4 years old
10:16.5
when EDSA happened.
10:20.0
pangakit mo sa kanila.
10:23.7
Iba yung pangakit.
10:24.7
Hindi na pwede yung mga lumang
10:26.5
yellow narrative,
10:32.2
for your network.
10:33.9
Pero kung gusto mong manalo,
10:35.2
you have to go beyond that.
10:40.5
So, ano na yung bago
10:42.5
na ating kwento, Ronald?
10:44.1
Kasi medyo malungkot din eh
10:46.1
nung last EDSA celebration.
10:49.3
EDSA celebration,
10:50.3
yes, importante na sa rewain.
10:51.9
Pero lumalabas din minsan
10:53.4
yung pagkalaos ng mga tao eh.
10:55.4
Every time sineselebrate yung EDSA.
10:57.5
Kasi nakikita mo,
10:59.9
sige, bigyan natin kayo
11:01.5
to celebrate your nostalgia.
11:03.2
Pero kakakakanta na naman
11:04.4
ang handog ng Pilipino,
11:05.6
kakakanta na naman
11:08.4
lalabas na naman,
11:10.9
parang walang pumapansin.
11:13.6
Parang nostalgic.
11:15.9
bibigay ko sa inyo
11:17.3
yung nostalgia nyo
11:18.9
Pero ang objective kasi
11:19.6
Lelo yung last EDSA,
11:22.2
Ang objective dyan
11:23.1
is to consolidate your base.
11:24.6
Because last year,
11:36.7
kung para last year,
11:39.0
na sobrang subdued,
11:41.1
Ngayon, medyo lumawak.
11:43.5
to consolidate your base.
11:46.5
from the BBM-Duterte pa.
11:48.9
So, i-consolidate mo muna
11:50.4
dahil yan ang gagamitin
11:55.9
in their hundreds
11:58.9
Huwag mo kalimutan,
11:59.8
yung rally sa Pasig
12:01.7
is 700,000 people.
12:04.7
Yung rally sa Pasay,
12:06.8
Yung meeting the advance,
12:07.8
1.2 million sa Makati.
12:10.3
all over the country,
12:11.6
hundreds of thousands.
12:12.6
These are the biggest rallies
12:14.8
Hindi yan EDSA crowd.
12:16.3
Yan yung kakamping.
12:18.1
Yan yung second part
12:19.1
na kailangan mo i-harness.
12:24.7
kay BBM at saka kay Sarang.
12:28.3
Dito mo kinakailangan,
12:29.9
sa ikatlong stage,
12:31.4
yan yung tinatanong mo,
12:32.5
ano na yung narrative?
12:37.6
punta tayo sa second stage.
12:39.0
Yung second stage,
12:39.6
ang kailangan mo doon,
12:44.5
ang proposal naman kasi dati,
12:46.1
after the election,
12:51.6
and listening tour
12:55.6
It never happened.
12:56.9
Dahil nga si Lenny
13:03.9
mag-sharpest line.
13:04.9
Hindi siya pwede.
13:05.0
Hindi siya pwede.
13:05.0
Hindi siya pwede.
13:05.1
Hindi siya pwede.
13:05.1
Hindi siya pwede.
13:05.2
Na kinakailangan mo
13:06.5
as an opposition leader.
13:09.0
kinakailangan mo magkaroon
13:10.7
doon sa mga bills mo.
13:12.7
Pero after the midterm,
13:14.0
magbabago na yan.
13:15.5
After the midterm,
13:16.6
magbabago na yan.
13:19.1
Pwede pa ba ang buhayin yun?
13:20.7
Yung nationwide tour
13:21.6
na magkasama sila?
13:24.7
I don't have the numbers eh.
13:28.8
itong mga survey ngayon,
13:34.0
yung nakukang boto ni Lenny
13:41.4
ano ba itong bagong survey firm,
14:02.3
Nag-aalap ng alternative.
14:03.3
Yan yung ibig sabihin.
14:07.8
pero significant.
14:11.4
na nakuhang boto ni Lenny,
14:12.9
nagkaroon siya ng 37.
14:16.1
Naghahanap yun ng leader,
14:17.4
naghahanap yun ng political project.
14:20.7
yan ay indicative
14:21.9
of a growing disenchantment
14:29.8
magandang symbol yan.
14:31.0
Magandang symbol.
14:31.7
Kaya nga sinasabi ko sa'yo,
14:33.0
the EDSA is different.
14:35.5
umalis ka doon sa nangyari last year
14:37.9
na halos walang celebration.
14:39.6
Ngayon na nationwide,
14:42.8
Pupunta ka ngayon sa second stage,
14:46.6
So, let's talk about yung kampanya ni Risa.
14:50.4
nakita natin yung kampanya ni Risa.
14:52.5
Simula pa lang doon sa magandang laban.
14:54.7
Hanggang doon sa pro moms.
14:56.8
Hanggang doon sa naging
14:57.8
really healthcare candidate si Risa.
15:00.6
nangapa ng nangapa
15:02.3
ang mga people around Risa.
15:04.0
Until nahanap yung formula na gumana.
15:08.0
connected largely sa healthcare.
15:10.2
On a substantive level,
15:11.8
pinapakita mo na yung governance.
15:14.0
Good governance manifests
15:15.4
in being able to provide people
15:17.1
with decent public services.
15:20.7
naging healthcare yung cost ni Risa.
15:22.3
Yun yung naging winning formula niya
15:23.6
after two previous tries.
15:26.5
Scalable ba yun, Ronald,
15:27.8
to a presidential campaign?
15:29.2
Iba kasi yung senador eh.
15:34.0
Marami kayo naglalaban.
15:37.2
halos one-on-one yan eh.
15:41.7
medyo mag-i-scale up ka eh.
15:43.7
Mag-i-scale up ka
15:47.5
yung medyo cognitive.
15:50.5
kailangan emotional eh.
15:52.3
Kailangan emotional eh.
15:53.6
Yung approach mo.
15:55.4
simply yung message.
15:58.8
what that will be.
16:01.6
bakit nalalampasan na
16:02.7
yung tool po si Sara?
16:05.2
Dahil si tool po,
16:11.5
yun yung caramel.
16:12.8
O, may kaunti siyang,
16:14.8
may hinahaluan niya
16:15.9
ng kaunting modernity eh.
16:17.4
Pero pinipili niya
16:18.3
yung battles niya.
16:19.2
Balat sa mga bilyar,
16:20.6
sa land conversion,
16:25.2
Dito sa pag-deteriorate
16:26.8
ng ating education.
16:29.7
Dahil yung mga may hirap,
16:30.9
yan na lang ang kanilang
16:32.4
quick rags to reach,
16:37.5
hindi siya bumabalat
16:39.6
Tahimik siya ron.
16:41.3
Yung mga nagdi-divide
16:44.0
after ng midterms.
16:46.4
saan wala siyang statement
16:47.8
Pero gumoto siya against.
16:50.6
Masama siya nila Risa
16:57.7
He's choosing his battles.
17:00.2
not too controversial
17:04.0
pero minemaintain niya
17:05.5
yung populist rhetoric.
17:07.8
Baka kailangan lang
17:08.9
dagdagan ni Risa yun.
17:11.6
Not yung populism na negative.
17:15.6
Something different.
17:16.5
Something emotional.
17:17.5
Something disruptive.
17:19.8
what people want.
17:21.7
Not only what they need.
17:23.9
Anong combination yan?
17:25.0
Without coming off as
17:27.0
Kasi the accusation against
17:28.9
nag-grandstand sila.
17:30.5
I know it works number-wise.
17:31.9
Pero value-added yun.
17:34.6
In our political system,
17:38.1
There's no other way
17:39.2
but to grandstand.
17:41.7
what are the embers
17:44.3
a next generation
17:48.1
anong maging next kulay.
17:49.6
Hopefully purple.
17:50.4
My favorite color.
17:51.9
Ano sa tingin mo?
17:52.7
What should be the elements?
17:54.2
What is the new synthesis?
17:56.3
kitatatakutan ko dito
17:58.2
is tama si Ronald eh.
17:59.6
Kailangan mo may consolidate
18:01.9
yung base nostalgic
18:06.0
kailangan ma-placate mo sila
18:08.3
yung mga traditional dilawan.
18:10.6
Pero kailangan mo rin
18:11.2
i-thumb down yung tendency
18:13.9
Kasi yun naman talaga
18:14.5
yung pinakamalaking problema
18:17.0
I was just looking through
18:18.0
op-eds na mga pro-Leni
18:22.1
mga sa inquirer na
18:23.5
kung binoto mo si Marcos,
18:26.8
existential threat
18:28.0
sa ating demokrasya
18:29.6
dahil kinakalimutan natin
18:32.3
ni Ninoy at saka ni Cory
18:34.0
meron pa rin gano'n eh.
18:35.2
As recently as yung
18:37.3
So, yung gano'ng klaseng base,
18:41.7
kasi hindi mo naman
18:42.5
kasi sila todo i-placate,
18:44.1
hindi mo naman sila
18:45.5
kailangan talagang i-placate
18:46.7
yung gano'ng klaseng
18:48.4
Kasi nung gagawin nila,
18:49.3
i-boboto nila si Marcos,
18:50.7
i-boboto nila yung
18:51.5
i-boboto nila yun.
18:52.6
Sa yun na yun eh.
18:54.0
Sa yun na yun eh.
18:56.8
ako sa tingin ko,
18:58.2
huwag mo na silang alagaan eh.
18:59.3
Kasi susunod naman niya
19:02.3
Just really come up with
19:03.6
a really new narrative.
19:05.2
Tapos every February,
19:08.1
you can wheel them out
19:09.8
and then celebrate them.
19:13.8
Kalimutan mo sila
19:15.8
para sila na ang ating
19:17.3
equivalent of mga
19:18.4
World War II veterans.
19:20.5
Magbibigay po kayo
19:23.9
Pagkatapos makakalimutan mo na sila
19:25.2
hindi ka nakakanta
19:25.9
ng handog ng Pilipino.
19:28.0
Ganyan yung impression.
19:28.9
So, ganyan yung impression.
19:29.3
Pero anong gagawin mo
19:30.4
doon sa mga Karen?
19:36.5
Mag-iiyay ang mga yan.
19:41.4
bobo yung oposisyon.
19:44.3
walang nagawang mali
19:48.3
tahimik ka na lang.
19:49.8
Ngitian mo na lang.
19:52.9
you really seek out
19:56.2
for the electorate
19:59.7
open yung mga tao
20:01.6
open yung mga tao
20:03.3
laki-laki nun eh.
20:05.7
malaki yung crowd na yun.
20:09.0
But that is going to be
20:09.8
the big challenge.
20:11.5
Very illuminating sa akin
20:13.0
yung framework ni Ronald.
20:17.6
Yung pinaka may hirap talaga
20:22.7
matalino naman kayo
20:24.0
pero wala kayong maisip
20:26.3
para doon sa next level.
20:27.3
So, mahirap talaga.
20:30.4
Maraming ako naisip
20:31.3
pero wag mo na nagsabihin
20:32.4
don't alert the enemy.
20:35.7
Baka makuha ni BBM
20:37.4
sa bagong Pilipinas niya.
20:39.5
Baka hindi politically correct eh.
20:43.6
Women's International Day.
20:45.5
Baga na muna tayo
20:46.3
mag-congratulate.
20:57.2
what's going to come
20:58.4
muntik na ako mag-doon, no?
21:00.3
Parang, I'm gonna see
21:01.3
what's there in the sand,
21:04.5
see how far we have come,
21:07.0
Like, remember when we were having
21:08.3
our first episodes together?
21:10.3
Talagang despondency tayong dalawa,
21:12.7
It was really depressing.
21:14.0
A lot of bitterness.
21:15.6
Look at how far we have come
21:17.0
in the past 18 months
21:19.5
We have gone from despondency
21:23.6
Baka naman, di ba?
21:25.6
so now we have good problem.
21:27.8
The good problem is like,
21:28.4
how are we gonna make use of
21:29.8
hindi na tayong survival mode, eh.
21:31.7
Kasi medyo two years ago,
21:34.1
Puro tayong mga survival mode
21:35.6
in the sense that
21:36.8
all of us were lonely
21:39.9
We took independent position
21:41.7
Si Ronald, matagal na
21:43.6
Ako, hindi ako lonely, ah.
21:45.3
Ayan ka na naman, kani.
21:46.3
Ako, takot ko lang
21:47.2
na single by choice.
21:48.5
Ako, hindi ka lonely.
21:49.9
Kami ni Lelo, eh.
21:51.0
Kasi, dami nagkalit sa amin, eh.
21:53.0
Kasi, lalo si Lelo, eh.
21:54.4
Hindi ano yan, eh.
21:55.3
He doesn't hold back.
21:57.4
bardagulan on Twitter.
21:58.4
Eh, doon na nga lang silang malakas
22:01.2
Doon ko ba sila binabagulan, di ba?
22:05.3
so, I think we have come very far.
22:07.3
So, once you look back like that,
22:09.1
I think we can look forward.
22:10.8
Meron ako tanong sa inyo,
22:14.0
is it possible na,
22:16.8
analogy is imperfect, ah,
22:18.7
but that RISA could be,
22:20.0
a RISA campaign could be
22:21.1
a Bernie Sanders-type campaign
22:22.5
na kahit hindi siya manalo,
22:25.8
kaya niyang itulak
22:26.8
yung other opposition figures.
22:28.4
To left position.
22:30.5
let's game this out.
22:32.8
merong Marcos or Duterte candidate.
22:35.9
Merong Rafi Tulfo.
22:40.6
we realize that the opposition
22:42.0
really has to back Tulfo.
22:43.6
Otherwise, may mananalo na
22:44.8
pro-Marcos or pro-Duterte.
22:46.7
Si Rafi ang magiging presidente mo.
22:48.9
Pero gagamitin mo yung constituency ni RISA
22:51.1
to push that candidate towards
22:52.7
a more progressive.
22:55.2
Exactly, a leverage na.
22:58.4
sa yung magiging Joe Biden,
22:59.8
si RISA yung magiging Bernie Sanders?
23:02.8
Kasi sinasabi kong
23:03.9
we shouldn't aim for a win,
23:05.7
pero realistically,
23:07.3
pwede mangyari yun.
23:10.5
Si Tulfo is not a Hillary
23:13.9
Pero wala siyang political party,
23:16.6
wala siyang political movement.
23:18.2
So, he's a blank check.
23:20.1
That could be positive or negative.
23:22.2
Ang gagawin mo is to contest
23:24.4
that blank check.
23:27.2
Di ba yun ang gagawin mo?
23:29.7
kung depende kung
23:31.7
pataas si RISA sa survey,
23:33.8
pwede silang mag-team
23:38.0
So, iba kasi kung bahagi ka ng team, eh,
23:40.8
para mag-negotiate.
23:43.3
pero yung sinasabi mo,
23:44.8
that's feasible, no?
23:47.6
Actually, even almost probable, right?
23:49.8
I mean, if current trend lines continue,
23:52.6
that's the probable outcome.
23:55.5
wala talaga siyang plan.
23:56.6
Wala siyang machinery,
23:57.9
wala siyang political party,
24:00.3
wala siyang coalition, no?
24:01.6
Wala siyang platform,
24:04.2
which could be positive.
24:05.8
Dahil maghahanap siya.
24:08.6
At kung nandun ka,
24:09.5
at kung nandun ka sa gilid-gilid, no?
24:15.0
pwede mong i-contribute yun.
24:19.0
he's a self-made man.
24:20.3
No offense, right?
24:21.1
That's the big difference with BBM.
24:22.6
Kasi di ba ang criticism natin kay BBM,
24:24.5
medyo blank pa rin siya, no?
24:26.8
The thing with Tulfo,
24:27.9
is meron siya yung will to power.
24:30.3
Very Nietzschean, di ba?
24:31.4
May will to power yung taong yan, di ba?
24:33.3
I mean, he has made it so far from what?
24:35.9
Ang main bill niya is land use.
24:40.4
Hindi malayo sa atin, ha?
24:41.8
Actually, you have a point.
24:44.8
Imaginein mo, ha?
24:48.9
yung defense of women and children,
24:51.7
hindi feminist na yung angle ni Rafi.
24:54.1
Medyo chivalrous.
24:55.5
Kailangan ipaglaban ng mga pinakamahina
24:57.5
sa lipunan, gano'n.
24:58.7
Parang macho chivalrous yung kanyang approach to women and children.
25:01.5
But the point is,
25:02.8
malakas siya sa issue of women and children.
25:04.8
It's getting mixed up.
25:08.2
iba yung manifestation,
25:11.5
pero kung may feminista ka na
25:15.7
pwede mong baguhin yung tono nun.
25:17.8
Kasi buko siya sa gano'n, eh.
25:19.4
Kahit sa show pala niya,
25:20.6
ang pinakaayaw ni Rafi Tulfo,
25:22.7
naalala ko sa wanted sa radyo,
25:24.4
pinakagalit siya sa mga nang bubog-bog
25:28.5
Mga asawa, mga boyfriend, no?
25:30.5
Doon siya galit na galit.
25:32.1
And I think Riza being there,
25:34.2
meron siyang effect talaga, eh.
25:35.3
Diba? Nakita mo, even si Robin Hood,
25:37.0
very malumanay siya.
25:38.5
Ma'am, mawalang gana po.
25:40.9
I mean, mga gana, yung ano yung mga...
25:42.4
Very respectful siya and all of that, diba?
25:45.0
Mawalanggalang po, sorry.
25:47.6
Mawalanggalang na walanggana talaga
25:49.1
kung minsan sa mga sinasabi.
25:50.0
Tsaka, tsaka Big R.
25:54.7
And we have to make sure he stays on that course.
25:57.0
I mean, he has a good instinct for things, no?
26:00.3
And I think as long as majority of Filipinos are worried,
26:03.0
they are people like him.
26:04.5
I'm not saying he doesn't have conviction.
26:07.7
So I think we can close this episode
26:10.7
and go to the last episode.
26:12.0
Pag-usapan natin yung favorite ni Leloy.
26:15.1
U.S. Trade Delegation.
26:17.6
Industrial policy.
26:19.1
We'll just see out na Leloy on this one.
26:20.8
Thank you so much, guys.
26:22.5
I think, for all we know,
26:24.1
baka tayo na lang ang talagang gumagawa
26:25.8
ng mga ganyan discussion, no?
26:27.0
Ang blueprint na talaga, no?
26:28.3
Ang kapal na mukha natin, eh.
26:29.9
I'm just saying, Leloy,
26:30.8
you never know who's listening to me.
26:32.2
May mga nag-text sa akin ng isang araw.
26:33.9
Alam ni Ronald yan.
26:34.9
At may pumipitik sa mga dilawat
26:37.8
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
26:38.9
Hindi na lang sa'yo galit, Richard.
26:42.4
Pero maraming mahal sa akin from other sides.
26:45.1
So okay lang, malans lang sa akin.
26:47.9
Thank you so much.
