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I'm talking about this, there was this article that came out dito sa Manila Times, no?
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Binabasa niyo po ba yung Manila Times?
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Yung Manila Times po ay isang broadsheet.
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Isa po sa mga pinaka-credible na pahayagan sa bansa.
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Sarcastic po, ano?
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Anyway, ang banner story nila, I think six days ago,
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kinocode po yung isang anonymous source.
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Ang binanggit po ron, ranking Chinese official.
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Ayaw magpabanggit ang pangalan.
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Pero isang katutak po yung mga detaling binitawan
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nitong di umanay ranking Chinese official dito sa banner story ng Manila Times, no?
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Ayon dito sa source ng Manila Times,
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meron daw 11 concept papers ang Chinese side
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na ipinresent sa Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs.
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Kung paano rin imamanage yung tension,
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paano inonormalize yung situation dyan sa South China Sea,
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of course, including the West Philippine Sea.
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Isa po ron, di umano, ay bawat papel daw, bawat proposal,
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bawat concept paper, specific yung pinag-uusapan ng issue.
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For instance, yung situation po sa Yungin Shoal,
02:16.8
yung situation po sa Bajo de Masinloc, for instance, okay?
02:21.1
Now, pagdating po ron sa issue nga,
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ng Yungin Shoal, alam niyo po, meron po tayo dyang kakarag-karag
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o nabubulok na Navy ship, ang pangalan po, BRP Sierra Madre.
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Nakabalandra po yan dyan, simula pa po, if I'm not mistaken, 1999.
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And it's a very, very crucial, very, very strategic decision by the Philippine government
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to beach that very old, dilapidated military ship.
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Hindi pa po yan, ano, decommissioned, nandyan pa po yan in active service,
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kaya ang siste, hindi po siya pwedeng galawin ng China.
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Dahil kung atakihin yan, siyempre, declaration of war yun, no?
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Meron po tayong mga tropa ng sundalo po dyan sa BRP Sierra Madre.
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I-google nyo na lang para makita nyo yung itsura.
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And nagkakaroon po tayo dyan ng resupply mission.
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Pero siyempre, dahil nga, kailangan siyempre ng pagkain,
03:16.6
ng sustenance sa mga tropa po natin dyan.
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Ngayon, according dito sa Manila Times article,
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anonymous ranking Chinese official,
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eh, nagkaroon na rin ng kasunduan
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ng panahon ng dating Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte
03:32.0
na pumayag daw na hindi magtatransport ng large-scale
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building materials para daw kumpunihin o ayusin yung BRP Sierra Madre.
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Kasi nabubulok na po yan eh. Malapit ng gumuho.
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Ang tanong, talaga ba may ganun?
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At ano bang implication nun kung pumayag nga,
03:53.5
ah, nakaraang administrasyon dito sa D.O. Monay agreement na ito,
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na mukhang sikreto?
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And bago ko po ipakilala yung guest ko ngayong gabi po,
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very, very special,
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gusto ko lang po linawin sa inyong lahat, no?
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Pag binasa nyo po itong article ng Manila Times
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at pinag-usapan natin yung issue ng West Philippine Sea,
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huwag nyo pong kakalimutan yung fact na
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mukhang nagdadrama yung China rito eh.
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Parang nangga-gaslight na naman, no?
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To begin with, in the first place,
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wala po silang business being in the West Philippine Sea.
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Hindi po sila dapat nandyan.
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Wala silang business dyan.
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Dahil tayo po yung may sovereign rights dyan, no?
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Eh ngayon, dahil sila po yung nakahimpil dyan
04:32.8
at tayo po hinahara sa sarili nating bakuran,
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parang sila pa yung bida.
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Pinapalabas nila na,
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eh kami nga yung gustong ayusin yung problema dyan eh,
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dinadedma kami ng Department of Foreign Affairs.
04:43.5
Anyway, enough of my very long introduction.
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I'm very, very excited to hear from our expert guest ngayong gabi.
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I'd like to welcome to our program po muli, no?
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Naka-announce na po ito sa susunod.
04:53.5
Sa social media, si former Supreme Court Senior Associate Justice Tony Carpio.
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Magandang gabi po, sir.
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And thank you for joining us on a Saturday night dito po sa Facts First.
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Magandang gabi, Christian.
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Magandang gabi sa mga viewers natin.
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Sir, naparood niyo yun, no?
05:16.1
Magka-viber tayo dyan, eh.
05:17.7
Nabasa niyo yung Manila Times article, no?
05:19.8
Ano ba yung mga immediate reactions yun nang nabasa niyo yan?
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Well, sinabi ng DFA, Department of Foreign Affairs,
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walang record na nagkaroon ng gentleman's agreement.
05:33.0
Ang sinasabi ng China, nangyari raw ito in 1999, no?
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During the administration of President Estrada.
05:41.8
Pero dininay naman ito ng Estrada Camp,
05:45.0
yung dalawang anak na Estrada na senador,
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senators, dininay nila na walang ganyan na gentleman's agreement, no?
05:53.5
So, wala namang mapakitang ebidensya ang China that there is such a gentleman's agreement.
06:00.5
So, it's their word, no?
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At saka sabi naman ni President Marcos Jr.
06:06.3
that wala rin silang makitang dokumento regarding that supposed agreement.
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And sabi niya, kung meron man, I rescind it.
06:17.0
Okay, to be clear, ano ba itong binabanggit yung gentleman's agreement?
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Ito ba yung hindi pagtatransport ng large-scale business?
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Building materials?
06:24.6
Ang sabi nila, since 1999, meron na rin gentleman's agreement
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na we will only transport supplies to be used by the Marines in BRP Sierra Madre.
06:39.5
We will not transport large construction materials that will retrofit the BRP Sierra Madre
06:48.3
kasi alam mo, rusty na yung Sierra Madre, baka magkokolaps na.
06:53.5
Iniintay niya ng China na magkolaps, no?
06:56.2
So, tayo, riniretrofit natin slowly.
06:59.8
Kaya sabi niya China, ang agreement raw, one ship lang,
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at saka yung normal supply lang para pagkain ng Marines natin doon.
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Pero wala namang ebidensya na ganyan.
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At saka, whoever did that, walang authority, kung meron man.
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Because that is compromising or ceding our sovereign rights.
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And no government official can cede our sovereign rights.
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Kasi pag i-cede mo yung sovereign rights, it has to be in a treaty.
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Hindi pwede isang opisyalay sila ng gobyerno mag-a-agree niyan.
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Walang authority.
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So, kung sino mang kausap nila, walang authority yun.
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At saka, dini-deny natin.
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Wala namang record.
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Wala namang silang mapakita.
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Yung tinutukoy nila ng mga government officials na nag-agree,
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hindi dini-deny naman.
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Yung panahon, yung ano sir, alam natin yung nakara-administrasyon very close sa China.
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And in fact, kahit tapos na yung termina rin ni President Duterte,
08:04.5
nakipag-meeting pa kay Xi Jinping,
08:07.0
meron bang denial na malinaw coming from him
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na at least hindi siya nag-agree dito sa hindi pag-transport ng large-scale building materials?
08:15.8
Well, yan ang ano.
08:17.7
Baka, it's possible during his...
08:22.7
term, nag-continue yan.
08:24.4
Pero wala pa rin mapakita ang China na agreement, na evidence.
08:30.2
But, during the time of President Duterte, alam naman natin na talagang, ano siya,
08:36.2
he was parroting the Chinese line.
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So, hindi na kailangan na agreement on his own.
08:41.4
Gagawin niya yun eh.
08:42.6
Kasi, you know, look at what President Duterte did.
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Yung naging presidente niya,
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ang unang sinabi niya sa Navy natin,
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patrol only the territorial sea in the West Philippine Sea.
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Do not go beyond the territorial sea.
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That means, pamigay na natin yung waters beyond our territorial sea,
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beyond 12 nautical miles.
09:07.7
Huwag na ninyo bantayan yan.
09:10.3
Pamigay na natin yan.
09:11.4
That's the meaning of that.
09:12.6
Patrol only the territorial sea.
09:15.0
Sinabi niya yan eh.
09:15.8
And that is against the Constitution.
09:18.5
Kasi, the Constitution says,
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the state must protect its marine wealth,
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in its exclusive economic zone.
09:26.2
Eh, sinabi niya sa instruction niya,
09:29.6
verbal instruction, public ha,
09:34.1
Pero, mabuti na lang,
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yung mga Navy natin,
09:38.0
the Navy officers,
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hindi sinunod si Duterte.
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Sabi nila, susunod kami pag
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you put it in writing.
09:44.4
Eh, ayaw niya naman yung put it in writing.
09:47.6
Pero talagang makita mo na pabor siya.
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Tsaka, sabi niya,
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Arbitral Award is just a scrap of paper
09:55.8
that should be thrown to the wastebasket.
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Eh, that is the line of China.
10:00.5
Pinaparot niya yung line ng China.
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Parang, siya ang ahente ng China
10:04.0
to tell the Filipinos
10:05.7
that Arbitral Award is just a scrap of paper
10:09.9
to be thrown to the wastebasket.
10:11.5
So, that was the, no.
10:14.0
He was the spokesman of China
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to intimidate the people,
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the Filipino people.
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Tsaka, sabi niya pa,
10:21.3
China can fish in the West,
10:23.4
Eh, bawal yun eh.
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Ang saligang batas natin,
10:27.0
the Constitution says,
10:29.0
the exclusive economic zone,
10:31.0
the marine wealth in the exclusive economic zone
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is reserved exclusively for Filipinos.
10:36.3
Kaya nga tinatawag yung exclusive eh.
10:38.3
Exclusive economic zone.
10:39.6
That is exclusive to the people
10:41.4
who have jurisdiction over that area.
10:45.1
Eh, tayo naman lang may jurisdiction dyan
10:46.9
according to the Arbitral Award.
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I allow them to fish.
10:52.6
That's against the Constitution.
10:54.9
And that's a culpable violation of the Constitution.
10:57.9
Katulad yung sinabi niya,
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patrol only the territorial sea.
11:04.0
kontrolado niya yung Congress natin.
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Walang mangyari, no?
11:07.4
Tsaka, sinabi niya,
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I simply love President Xi Jinping
11:12.0
and the Chinese forces in the West Philippine Sea
11:15.3
are there to protect me
11:16.9
in case there's an attempt to oust me.
11:19.5
So, ang protector niya ngayon, China.
11:21.5
Talagang ano siya, lucky talaga siya.
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He's really a puppet.
11:25.6
Yung sinasabi niya ito na
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the Chinese are there in the Spratlys
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in case there's a move against me.
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A bira man, protector niya, China
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against the Philippine people.
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sabi niya, sinabi niya yung Forum Energy
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na don't go to RID Bank
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that will create trouble with China.
11:55.5
Kaya may problema tayo sa gas,
11:57.4
nauubos na yung gas natin
11:58.8
kasi dapat nagumpisa yung
12:01.2
survey and drilling during his time
12:04.4
kasi it takes four years eh
12:05.8
to survey and drill
12:07.8
and to develop the gas platform, no?
12:12.0
Eh, kaya huli na tayo ngayon.
12:14.4
Ngayon, sabi niya pa,
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I cannot send the
12:23.0
Navy and the Marines
12:26.0
to the West Philippine Sea
12:27.3
because there will be a massacre.
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ang daming barko yung China.
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Lalaki ng warships nila.
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Alam mo yung three warfares ng China,
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the third warfare,
12:43.5
ang doctrine ng China,
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they will win the South China Sea
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without firing a single shot.
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with their large air and naval base,
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with their huge warships,
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the largest Navy in the world sila ngayon.
13:04.5
they will not fire a single shot.
13:05.9
Yun ang doctrine nila eh.
13:07.4
Kasi if they fire a single shot,
13:09.4
that's an armed attack,
13:10.4
we will invoke the treaty with the US
13:12.4
and na-let you sila, no?
13:16.0
they really cannot,
13:17.4
fight the US as of now
13:18.5
kasi they have only 450 nuclear,
13:26.3
they will be buried.
13:28.1
not a single Chinese will survive.
13:31.0
pananakot talaga sila.
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Yun ang kanilang strategy.
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ang kanilang ahente dito sa Pilipinas
13:36.7
para takutin tayo,
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si President Duterte.
13:39.4
Kasi sabi ni President Duterte,
13:40.8
it will be a massacre.
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I will not send my
13:45.9
police pa sinabi niya,
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to the West Philippines.
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It will be a massacre.
13:51.0
It will be a massacre.
13:51.1
It will be a massacre.
13:51.1
It will be a massacre.
13:51.2
It will be a massacre.
13:51.2
It will be a massacre.
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It will be a massacre.
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tinatakot niya tayo.
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anong ginawa niya?
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when he went to China,
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with the ideological flow
14:08.0
It will be China,
14:10.3
against the rest of the world.
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ano klaseng utak yun, no?
14:16.3
and then he carried,
14:21.2
the Visiting Forces Agreement.
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Tinerminate niya eh.
14:39.0
yung pumunta siya sa Beijing,
14:41.4
President Xi Jinping,
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in front of everybody,
14:49.7
presidente ka ng Pilipinas?
14:51.9
inaagaw yung ating
14:53.8
at maritime zones
14:54.8
of West Philippine Sea.
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indebted to China.
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E tsaka sabi niya,
15:06.4
during the campaign,
15:10.4
During the debate,
15:11.6
hinalikan niya pa yung
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papuntang Scarborough,
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ahamunin ko sila,
15:20.9
mag-barila na lang kami.
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Nadaming nadala sa ating
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hindi nga ako marunong,
15:30.1
after he was elected,
15:32.2
hindi nga ako marunong
15:58.3
talagang malaking
16:04.3
you can feel it now,
16:09.2
It's used to supply
16:10.3
three of our largest
16:11.4
gas-fired plants.
16:14.3
bumababa niya yung
16:17.9
only one gas-fired
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It takes four years, eh.
16:25.9
Eh, ayaw niya tayo
16:26.6
papuntayin doon, eh.
16:28.4
magagalit si President
16:30.3
Ayaw niya babanggain, eh.
16:35.6
malaking perwesyo
16:40.4
malinaw naman po yan
16:42.0
gagamitin na yung
16:43.5
yung common sense,
16:44.9
kung gano'ng katindi
16:45.7
yung naging damage
16:48.9
national interest.
16:50.5
justice yung tanong ko, no?
16:53.6
Pero kung nakaupo pa po siya,
16:55.0
kayo na po nagsabi,
16:55.8
culpable violation
16:56.7
of the Constitution yan.
16:58.7
those were impeachable
17:00.3
yung mga nilatag nyo.
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kaso hindi na siya
17:02.8
President, eh, no?
17:03.8
Is there a way to
17:05.5
to hold him accountable?
17:06.9
Pwede pa po ba siyang
17:07.5
kasuhan dito sa mga
17:08.8
ibang ginawa niya
17:09.8
nung siya'y President, eh?
17:12.4
he cannot be impeached
17:13.7
anymore kasi he's not
17:14.8
holding office anymore, no?
17:16.4
Outside of impeachment.
17:17.7
Outside of impeachment.
17:24.8
as dereliction of
17:27.1
disloyalty to the Republic, to.
17:30.6
ang penalty niyan,
17:31.9
dismissal from service.
17:34.2
Eh, wala naman siya.
17:36.9
Dismissal from public service
17:38.4
if you are disloyal
17:47.6
violation of, ah,
17:49.6
the revised penal code.
17:51.0
Except yung, ano,
17:54.5
Yun ang pinakamalaking problema niya.
17:57.7
by admission of the PNP,
18:00.5
about 6,000 Filipinos
18:05.8
Official admission yan.
18:10.2
count ng mga NGOs,
18:21.4
admission publicly, eh.
18:22.8
Sa televised, ha?
18:24.8
televised statements.
18:27.8
I am responsible for that.
18:32.1
I, I take full responsibility.
18:38.5
if the police will kill,
18:39.4
I will protect you.
18:41.1
Ganyan yung mga sabi niya.
18:43.4
at saka inamin niya na,
18:46.9
there was a statement,
18:53.7
millions of Jews.
18:56.3
mas madami pang papatay niya.
19:04.1
he was responsible for
19:05.5
at least 6,000 admitted.
19:11.3
and there is one,
19:15.8
may annual report yan,
19:17.6
may annual report sila na
19:22.2
killed in drug operations
19:24.9
under the operation Tokhang.
19:28.6
official record nila is 25,000.
19:35.7
naka-sampa na yun, eh.
19:37.9
Tsaka merong ICC,
19:40.3
investigation doon sa,
19:44.4
yung mga witnesses,
19:46.5
nagwi-witness na yun.
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Pero nga po, sir,
19:50.2
parang ganun-ganun na lang ba yun?
19:51.8
Hindi na siya pwede
19:52.3
makapanagot dahil hindi na siya
19:55.8
hindi na siya pwede
19:57.2
Hindi na siya pwede
19:57.7
sibakin dahil tapos
19:58.9
yung termino niya.
20:00.1
Pero yung damage na yun,
20:01.3
wala lang pa talagang paraan?
20:03.0
O ano na lang yan?
20:08.2
learn our lesson,
20:12.4
na ito yung iboto ninyo,
20:15.3
anong meaning niya,
20:17.0
ibabalik niya tayo
20:22.4
our national interest
20:28.4
to the national interest
20:32.0
I'm eternally indebted
20:35.0
we should not listen to him
20:43.4
umiwas sa pagboto
20:49.0
Manchurian candidate.
20:51.7
yung criminal naman,
21:04.3
madaming namatay eh.
21:11.8
responsible for that.
21:15.3
under criminal law,
21:21.0
that's admission,
21:22.8
extrajudicial admission
21:27.5
televised admissions niya,
21:28.9
gagamitin yan sa ICC eh.
21:31.1
Because that is an
21:31.9
extrajudicial admission.
21:39.0
through the media,
21:45.3
you admitted responsibility.
21:46.6
you took responsibility.
21:51.8
hindi pwedeng bawiin?
21:53.7
nagjo-joke lang naman ako.
21:55.1
ganun naman talaga ako.
21:56.4
Hindi po ba pwedeng gamitin
22:01.9
when he said that,
22:03.6
everybody was serious.
22:05.8
he kept on repeating it.
22:08.5
he told the police,
22:10.0
pag ginawa ninyo,
22:10.8
ako ang protector ninyo.
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you cannot interpret,
22:15.3
it any other way.
22:21.4
yung sinabi niya,
22:22.8
ang daming namatay.
22:24.2
Hindi pwede joke lang.
22:27.6
Ang daming namatay eh.
22:33.4
balikan ko lang po yung sa China, no?
22:36.6
nakakadismaya po,
22:38.6
yung framing ng China,
22:40.3
nangyayaring problema
22:41.7
sa West Philippine Sea.
22:43.4
nakalagay dito sa
22:44.1
Malay Times article,
22:45.6
parang sila pa yung nagre-reach out
22:47.0
sa Philippine government
22:47.9
at dinededma sila ng
22:49.3
Philippine government
22:50.1
kung sila lang ayusin yung problema.
22:54.3
sila nag-create ang problema eh.
22:56.5
wala nga sila dapat
22:57.5
dun sa bakura natin eh.
22:59.5
parang sila pa yung bida.
23:01.9
parang help me make it,
23:03.4
make sense out of it po.
23:05.9
yun ang propaganda
23:09.3
Ang naniwala lang sa China,
23:14.1
Alam naman natin,
23:14.8
yung propaganda ito.
23:17.4
sabi po nga ni Duterte,
23:19.0
sa pangalan na lang,
23:20.0
South China Sea eh.
23:21.3
Sa kanila yan eh.
23:23.7
clean name ng China yan.
23:29.3
documented ito ah.
23:31.1
I have the documents.
23:33.9
clean name ng China
23:36.4
In an official document.
23:41.7
during the Spanish regime.
23:43.9
here is a president
23:45.9
parroting the Chinese line
23:49.7
since centuries ago
23:55.6
hindi ba lang siya nagtanong
23:58.3
kung totoo yung mga propaganda
24:01.9
Pinaparot niya kaagad
24:03.1
yung propaganda ng China.
24:11.5
he was the spokesperson
24:18.4
and he was doing it.
24:21.6
on behalf of China.
24:25.2
Talagang malaking damage.
24:31.0
based na rin doon sa article,
24:33.7
medyo duda kasi ako rin
24:36.1
sa mga ganoon article
24:36.9
parang pang propaganda
24:39.7
yung mga napupulo tayo
24:41.8
mga detalya kahit papano.
24:45.4
of communicating eh no?
24:47.2
propaganda pa rin.
24:48.4
Ang tanong ko po dito,
24:52.8
ano yung mga nakikita nyo po
24:56.8
nitong Marcos administration
24:59.1
kumpara doon sa damage
25:00.4
na ginawa ni President Duterte po.
25:03.1
nagiging effective ba so far?
25:04.7
ang tindi nang hahabulin eh,
25:11.8
I was pleasantly surprised
25:13.6
ganito yung policy
25:18.9
I supported another candidate
25:21.1
because I was afraid
25:22.0
he will continue eh no?
25:24.1
before the election,
25:26.3
before the election,
25:27.2
ganyan yung position niya eh.
25:29.6
it was a pleasant surprise
25:31.2
and I fully support
25:32.6
that kind of policy now no?
25:36.3
the arbitral award.
25:39.8
ang gusto natin noon,
25:41.5
I was explaining it
25:43.6
dapat magkaroon talagang
25:48.0
kasi yung joint patrol na yan,
25:49.6
that is the most,
25:51.5
that's the strongest
25:54.7
of the arbitral award.
25:56.3
Kasi sabi ng China,
25:57.3
amin yung dagat na yan.
25:59.3
pag may joint patrol tayo,
26:01.2
we are telling China,
26:02.9
hindi sa inyo ito.
26:04.5
This is part of the
26:06.0
EEZ of the Philippines.
26:11.1
confrontation with China yan.
26:13.4
pag-join patrol ka sa EEZ natin
26:15.4
within the TED-DAS line nila,
26:21.9
It's a physical manifestation
26:25.5
to the arbitral award.
26:27.0
Eh, pag gagawin natin ito
26:28.2
jointly with the US,
26:33.4
and they're all offering,
26:34.7
Canada, Australia.
26:37.3
That's why we should use,
26:38.4
and ginagawa na ngayon.
26:40.2
I'm very happy with that, no?
26:41.8
We're now talking to
26:43.3
all of these countries.
26:44.4
And they're happy also na
26:45.7
sasama sila sa atin
26:47.4
in the joint patrol.
26:51.2
we have the full support now.
26:54.3
during the time of Duterte,
26:55.6
hirap na hirap kasi
26:56.6
yung presidente natin
26:57.6
ang kalaban natin eh.
26:59.7
siya ang spokesperson
27:01.0
ng China dito eh.
27:07.1
That's the president
27:08.5
yung kalaban natin.
27:11.8
Natawa po ako doon.
27:15.1
Kapalang patanong ko lang, no?
27:16.5
Kasi yung West Philippine Sea was,
27:19.5
then-Congressman Walden Bello, no?
27:24.8
that initiative in Congress
27:26.0
para paritan yung
27:27.1
bahagi ng South China Sea
27:29.1
na pasok po sa ating
27:30.1
exclusive economic zone.
27:31.7
Ang tanong ko po,
27:33.6
meron na bang global recognition dyan?
27:35.4
Di ba may proseso po yan
27:36.6
for that to be officially
27:40.6
kung sinusuportahan tayo
27:41.7
ng mga allies natin,
27:43.3
ginagamit ba nila
27:44.0
yung West Philippine Sea
27:44.9
or South China Sea po
27:48.2
they're using it also.
28:04.1
may jurisdiction ka eh.
28:06.9
Pag territorial sea mo,
28:08.9
So you can name it.
28:13.3
if you have your 200 nautical mile EEZ,
28:16.3
sovereign rights.
28:19.1
you can also give it a name.
28:20.8
Wala namang pwedeng maghihinto sa atin eh.
28:24.4
pag susunod yung ibang-ibang bansa.
28:26.9
Merong, ano, merong
28:28.7
international committees,
28:32.3
international hydrographic commission na
28:35.4
you submit the names.
28:41.4
Pag sinabi ng batas natin,
28:43.2
that is, West Philippine Sea,
28:44.7
hindi naman nila ma-cancel yan.
28:49.0
whether other countries will follow us.
28:53.2
yung in media na West Philippine Sea, no?
28:55.8
At saka, klaro naman,
28:57.5
in the admissive order of President Aquino III,
29:02.7
that the West Philippine Sea refers
29:06.8
in the South China Sea that
29:08.7
are within our territorial sea
29:11.9
exclusive economic zones.
29:15.2
dapat nga yan, may suggestion nga ako
29:19.2
admissive order na yan,
29:23.2
including our extended continental shelf.
29:25.2
Kasi meron tayong sovereign rights
29:28.2
sa continental shelf natin eh.
29:32.2
There's no court nor tribunal
29:34.2
who will strike it down, no?
29:36.2
Yung admissive order naming
29:38.2
that West Philippine Sea.
29:40.2
It depends on other countries.
29:43.0
pero yung Indonesia nga,
29:46.0
They changed the name,
29:48.0
they binigyan yung pangalan,
29:50.0
North Natuna Sea.
29:52.0
Kasi ayaw nila yung South China Sea.
29:55.0
So, tinawag nila North Natuna Sea.
29:57.0
So, sinunod nila.
30:02.0
other countries are using the term
30:05.0
West Philippine Sea.
30:07.0
How about yung mga Chinese terms
30:10.0
na ginagamit ng Beijing po?
30:12.0
Doon sa mga features na
30:14.0
clearly pasok naman po sa ating
30:16.0
exclusive economic zone.
30:17.0
Meron po bang sumeseryoso doon?
30:19.0
Well, they don't have sovereign rights.
30:23.0
They don't have sovereignty.
30:25.0
They don't have jurisdiction.
30:27.0
Kasi sabi ng tribunal,
30:28.0
that's within the EEZ of the Philippines.
30:30.0
So, wala talaga silang base to name it.
30:34.0
Kasi wala silang ano eh.
30:36.0
They have no sovereignty,
30:39.0
no sovereign right.
30:40.0
Tayong meron yan.
30:41.0
So, yung sa kanila,
30:44.0
wala namang sumusunod sa kanila eh.
30:47.0
That's now a battle again, no?
30:51.0
Pag more country will use your term,
30:56.0
Wala namang gumagamit ng term ng China eh.
31:02.0
Pakilaman kaya ng Pilipinas yung katubigan ng China, no?
31:05.0
Palitan natin ng Philippine League.
31:09.0
There's a movement now.
31:10.0
There's a movement now
31:11.0
to rename the South China Sea
31:18.0
or Southeast Asia Sea.
31:20.0
China officially does not call the South China Sea,
31:26.0
They call it South Sea.
31:28.0
Throughout their history,
31:30.0
they did not call it South China Sea.
31:32.0
Ang nagpangalan niyan South China Sea
31:34.0
are the Portuguese Navigators.
31:37.0
To distinguish the South China Sea
31:39.0
from the East China Sea.
31:42.0
Kasi ang tawag ng China yan,
31:46.0
Nanhai, South Sea.
31:48.0
Ang tawag rin natin yan,
31:52.0
Laot Kidor, South Sea.
31:56.0
Kidor, an old Malay term,
32:02.0
So, everybody called it South Sea.
32:04.0
When Magellan arrived here,
32:06.0
that was called Laot Kidor
32:10.0
Ang nagpangalan niyan,
32:13.0
mga Portuguese lang.
32:18.0
that was not coined by China.
32:20.0
The name China was invented
32:23.0
by the Indians in India,
32:29.0
So, pagsabi nila sa pangalan lang,
32:33.0
Eh, yung buong pangalan na China
32:35.0
hindi naman ininvento niya.
32:36.0
That was invented by the Indians.
32:41.0
Tapos, sumunod na yung mga West,
32:44.0
tinawag na China.
32:45.0
So, naging China na sila.
32:47.0
Naging Chinese na sila.
32:49.0
But, that name China
32:51.0
never originated from China itself.
32:54.0
It originated from another country.
32:57.0
Well, at least malinaw po.
33:01.0
Maraming salamat sa words of wisdom
33:03.0
and lessons in history,
33:06.0
Always a pleasure.
33:07.0
Maraming salamat po.
33:09.0
pinaunlakan niyo po yung aming invitation
33:11.0
for you to appear on Fox First.
33:13.0
Thank you also, Christian.
33:15.0
Thank you to our viewers
33:19.0
Magandang gabi sa inyong lahat.
33:22.0
And again, successful po tayo ngayong gabi
33:23.0
dahil napagtagalog po natin muli
33:25.0
si Justice Carpio.
33:28.0
Maraming salamat.
33:29.0
Salamat, sir. Salamat po.
33:31.0
Yan si Justice Tony Carpio.
33:34.0
Nakakausap po natin ngayong gabi.
33:37.0
Ayusin ko lang yung ating card dyan.
33:42.0
May comment dito si Fortune.
33:46.0
Mali ang spelling mo.
33:52.0
Fortune, totoong tao ko ba?
33:54.0
Kasi mali-mali yung grammar mo.
33:55.0
Tagalog na nga eh.
33:59.0
May hyphen yun na yung topic mo
34:01.0
tungkol sa WPS na si Carpio.
34:04.0
Paulit-ulit naman yung sinasabi niya
34:06.0
at wala namang bago.
34:08.0
Ang taas ng standard mo.
34:09.0
Ito na ang tanong ko sa'yo, Fortune.
34:11.0
Eh naintindihan mo ba yung pinag-uusapan?
34:13.0
Kasi ganyan din sa classroom eh.
34:15.0
Inuulit-ulit ng teacher.
34:17.0
Eh kahit paulit-ulit,
34:18.0
hindi naman nauunawaan ng mga estudyante.
34:20.0
So hindi po tayo magsasawang
34:22.0
pag-usapan po itong issue na ito
34:24.0
dahil po kailangan natin linawin.
34:27.0
Kasi pag kinausap niya yung China
34:28.0
at pinanood at pinakinggan niya yung kanilang propaganda,
34:31.0
eh baka kayo mismo, kahit Pilipino kayong tunay,
34:34.0
eh mapaniwala kayo ng China na,
34:37.0
oo nga no, Pilipinas pala yung agresor dito sa West Philippine Sea.
34:41.0
Tayo pa ang nambubuli dito sa ating sariling bakuran.
34:45.0
Basahin niyo. Sige.
34:47.0
I-google niyo yung article ng Manila Times.
34:49.0
Ah, alam mo ba anong headline nun?
34:53.0
Basta Manila Times yung article,
34:55.0
I think six days ago lumabas.
34:57.0
I-google niyo yung keywords niyo.
34:59.0
Manila Times ayungin.
35:02.0
Kinu-quote nga isang ranking, quote on quote,
35:05.0
Chinese official.
35:06.0
At ang sinisisi ng Chinese official na ito,
35:08.0
yung Foreign Affairs Department natin.
35:11.0
Dahil sila raw yung nagre-reach out
35:13.0
sa pamamagitan ng mga concept papers
35:15.0
para ayusin yung tensyon
35:17.0
diyan sa West Philippine Sea,
35:19.0
tsaka sa South China Sea.
35:20.0
At yung Pilipinas daw yung hindi umaaksyon.
35:24.0
Ayan ang gagalito yung Department of Foreign Affairs.
35:26.0
Sinagot sila ng detalyado rin.
35:29.0
Kasi, kaya ako po,
35:30.0
gusto kong pag-usapan nitong topic niya ito
35:32.0
at inuulit-ulit ko po,
35:34.0
eh lumalabas kasi,
35:35.0
ginagaslay tayo ng China eh.
35:37.0
At marami naman sa ating mga Pilipino,
35:39.0
sa ating mga kapwa,
35:42.0
Ng Chinese propaganda.
35:45.0
Kaya hindi po tayo maghihasawang ulit-ulitin ito, no?
35:48.0
Eh tanong ko rin sa'yo, Fortune.
35:52.0
Mahintindihan mo ba ang issue ng Ayungin Shoal?
35:54.0
Ng Scarborough Shoal?
35:56.0
Ano ba ibig sabihin ng sovereign rights?
35:59.0
Eh kung malinaw na sa'yo lahat yun, eh good for you.
36:01.0
Matalino kang tao.
36:03.0
Eh hindi ko lang alam kung nasa
36:04.0
tamang lugar yung puso mo.
36:07.0
O yung paninindigan mo.
36:08.0
Kaya hindi po natin pagsasawaan
36:10.0
na pag-usapan nitong issue na ito.
36:19.0
Si Bonifacio Muit.
36:22.0
Pa-shoutout po sa wife po, si Fe Muit.
36:24.0
Pwede po ask kay Justice Carpio
36:26.0
kung merong deal between Duterte and China.
36:29.0
Ayon yung pinag-usapan namin kanina.
36:31.0
Eh wala namang umaamin eh.
36:32.0
Pero sabi ka rin ni Justice Carpio,
36:34.0
hindi na raw kailangan ng secret deal.
36:36.0
Dahil mismo si Duterte na kayong
36:38.0
nagbawal, diba, sa ating
36:42.0
beyond our territorial sea.
36:44.0
Ibig sabihin, bahala kayo dyan sa Exclusive Economic Zone natin.
36:47.0
Diba nga tuwa-tuwaan China ng presidente si
36:50.0
dating Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte.
36:52.0
Kaya ito mag-isip-isip kayong mga
36:54.0
nakikinig at saka nanonood dito sa ating programa.
36:57.0
Sa 2025 at saka sa 2028,
37:01.0
tingnan niyong mabuti kung sino yung mga kandidato
37:05.0
na dikit sa China.
37:08.0
Yung mukhang isinusulong yung interest ng China.
37:11.0
Balikan niyo, kasi may isa akong kilalang kandidato eh.
37:14.0
Mukhang hindi naman yata siya tatakbo sa midterm.
37:16.0
Pero medyo lay low siya ngayon.
37:18.0
Pero nung panahon ni Duterte,
37:21.0
eh sobrang sip-sip sa China yan. No?
37:23.0
Medyo lay low siya ngayon kasi hindi niya
37:25.0
kagod si President Marcos.
37:29.0
Pagdating yung panahon na tumakbo na naman yan,
37:32.0
whether for senator or a higher office,
37:35.0
kinatisin niyong mabuti. No?
37:38.0
Ingat kayo sa mga pro-China na mga kandidato.
37:41.0
Baka tulad nung nakaraang presidente, eh
37:45.0
isulong interest ng China at hindi interest ng
37:48.0
ating mga Pilipino. Yan po yung sad reality.
37:51.0
Ingat po kayo sa mga ganyang kandidato sa 2025
37:55.0
at saka po, especially,
37:57.0
yung kandidato for president sa 2028.
38:02.0
Minsan kasi akalaan niyo ano lang ito, no?
38:04.0
Kunwari ito, si Alan Huachon.
38:06.0
Hindi ko alam kung totoong tao ito, no?
38:08.0
Pero hindi pa natin ito binaban dito.
38:10.0
Nakakatuwa naman siya, eh. Sabi niya,
38:12.0
Excited din ako sa 2025 at saka 2028.
38:15.0
Ha ha ha. Straight Duterte ticket.
38:17.0
Eh mukhang hindi naman yan,
38:19.0
mukhang hindi mo naunawaan, Alan,
38:21.0
yung implications sa mga pinagsasabi mo, no?
38:23.0
Kung papano isinulong ng mga Duterte mo.
38:26.0
Yung interest ng China.
38:29.0
At hindi interest ng mga Pilipino nung panahon nila.
38:32.0
Eh kung happy ka sa ganyan, trip mo yan, eh.
38:36.0
Ang problema, apektado yung ibang mga Pilipino
38:39.0
na matinomag-isip. O. Diba?
38:44.0
Ay nako, sabadong sabado.
38:46.0
Ayoko nang magprograma ng sabado. Nakakainit ang ulo.
38:52.0
J.R. Rosales watching now live from Kansas City.
38:55.0
Stay safe always.
38:57.0
Justice Carpio and yours truly.
39:01.0
Shoutout din kay Frederick Ferrer
39:03.0
from Daet, Camarines Norte.
39:06.0
May ka-apelido ka na nag-message sa atin
39:09.0
ng si Miss Doris Ferrer. Ayan.
39:13.0
Sige. Papadala ko mamaya yung hinihingi mo. Okay?
39:21.0
Ayan. O sige. Tama na.
39:29.0
Magandang gabi sa inyo lahat. Sabado.
39:31.0
O bukas, break naman tayo.
39:33.0
Pero malay niyo. E bala ko ilabas sa video bukas eh.
39:37.0
Tinan natin. Sige.
39:39.0
Pero definitely Monday we will resume our live discussions.
39:43.0
Teka may humahabol dito.
39:45.0
Sabi ni Eden, chill. O chill lang.
39:47.0
Pero minsan nakakagigil kasi yung mga tao na alam mo lang mali.
39:50.0
Pinapanindigan pa eh. No?
39:56.0
Watching from Iligan City, si Aoki Molarte.
39:59.0
Si Nelia, at last natsyempuhan ko yung live mo.
40:03.0
Ayan. Salamat naman sa'yo.
40:10.0
Ayan. Yung mga problema sa mga kababayan natin, maraming bulag eh. No?
40:17.0
Nagpapa-uto. Gustong-gustong nakauuto. No?
40:20.0
To be frank, yung mga kababayan kasi tayo parang tuwan-tuwan na tanga sila eh. No?
40:27.0
Literally, ignorance is bliss to them. No?
40:31.0
Problema, apektado yung mas nakararaming Pilipino.
40:34.0
Kasi kung magpapakatanga kayo, sana kayo lang affected eh.
40:38.0
Kaso affected kami. Diba?
40:41.0
Pasensya na po. This is just a moment of frustration. Pero ganun pa rin. Pagsisikapan natin ito. No?
40:46.0
Pagsisikapan natin ito.
40:48.0
Iba, medyo ano na yan. Malalim na yung ugat ng katangahan at kawalanghiyaan ng ilang mga kababayan natin. Malalim na yan.
40:57.0
Marami sa kanila. Pera-pera lang. No?
41:00.0
Pero, I'm still hopeful na majority of Filipinos know the right thing.
41:06.0
Kayang tindigan yung tamang prinsipyo.
41:08.0
Ayan. Kaya yun yung ginagawa natin sa programa na ito. In our own little way.
41:13.0
Malaki na yung following natin eh. Nasa 230,000 subscribers po tayo sa YouTube.
41:17.0
Tapos sa Facebook, nasa 54,000 na tayo. Pero konti pa rin po yan pag kinumpara natin doon sa lawak ng disinformation at kamangmangan dito sa digital space.
41:29.0
Kaya pagtulungan natin. No?
41:31.0
Kung meron man kayong mapulot na matinong aral sa bawat episode natin, subukan nyo pong i-share.
41:38.0
Kapit-bahay nyo. Kasama nyo sa bahay.
41:41.0
Or, ito lang. Ito na lang.
41:43.0
If that's too much to ask.
41:45.0
Huwag na lang po tayong dumagdag sa kamangmangan ng ating mga kababayan.
41:50.0
Iyon na lang po. Iyon na lang.
41:52.0
Kasi pag tinatanong ako, kunwari sa mga forum, no? Pag na-invite tayo mag-lecture,
41:57.0
common na question sa akin, what can we do to fight disinformation?
42:00.0
Of course, marami tayong dinidiscuss dyan.
42:03.0
And, honestly, it's very very frustrating. No?
42:07.0
We're not exactly winning.
42:09.0
Pero, alaya kong binabanggit doon sa mga nagtatanong, start with not adding to the problem.
42:15.0
Huwag po tayong dadagdag. Ayan.
42:25.0
Shoutout kay Christopher Ramos from Zamboanga City.
42:30.0
Maka na bang bayad dito sa ibang mga nagko-comment dito?
42:37.0
Maka na bang bayad sa inyo?
42:45.0
Kasi iniisip ko, no?
42:47.0
Gano'ng makalaki yung binabayad sa inyo para...
42:56.0
para isang layang kaliluan nyo, no? Gano'ng kayang bayad sa inyo?
43:04.0
Ang cheap nyo. Ito sa inyo.
43:08.0
Okay. Good night. Maraming salamat po sa inyong lahat. Kitakita po tayo sa Monday.
43:12.0
Ako po si Christian Esquera. Magandang gabi po sa inyo lahat.
43:42.0
Thank you for watching!
