ILLEGAL NA KASUNDUAN NI DUTERTE SA CHINA

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Former President, the ICC, and then Tungke Pastor Kibuloy,

yung proceeding sa Senado bilang dating Senador, Sir.

I'd like you to give us your insights about the hottest issue perhaps

when it comes to our national territory, yung sa ating West Philippine Sea.

Darrell?

Sir, itong issue kasi sa Benham Rice, I'm not sure if everyone is aware

whether they are the same or they are not.

Bilang naval officer, I know you know this, Sir.

So can you please educate our listeners and media friends here?

Okay. So, well, Sir, just to inform everyone,

yung Benham Rice,

nasa East Coast yan, nasa Pacific.

Nasa kabila.

Nasa Pacific yan.

Nagpapatrolya yung Navy dyan.

I was fortunate to have that experience when I was still in the service.

Papatrolya yung Navy dyan.

Yan, uncontested yan.

Diba, Sir?

Kasi yung sinasabi nilang nine-dash line na dinidispute natin

nasa West Coast naman,

nasa South China Sea, West Philippine Sea.

So, dito, wala na silang alibi dito.

So, pero nung panahon, Sir, ni Duterte,

birin yung nag-attempt silang gumawa ng agreement

ng parang joint exploration dyan

na nagkaroon lang ng intervention dahil lumabas publicly,

talagang sinel out.

Kasi wala namang silang, ano na, Sir, dyan eh.

Wala nang claim kahit na ano.

Legitimate. Atin talaga.

Ngayon, I don't know.

But they can't come up unless si Duterte sign something

but dapat i-invoke ng China.

At pwedeng i-abrogate ni President Marcos

kung ano man ang agreement ni Duterte

if there is such an agreement.

So, we are not sure whether there was an agreement.

Yes, Sir. Kailangan i-invoke, Sir, ng China yun

para,

i-abrogate yun.

Yes.

Kasi unilateral, ano lang naman, na decision, Sir, yan eh.

Pero kahit historical, wala talagang basis,

talagang intrusion yan.

Atin yan.

Pero when I was still in the Navy,

pag may nakikita kaming ganyan, Sir, hinuhuli namin.

Pwede mo nang huliin yan.

Wala na magagawa, Sir, yung ano dyan.

Will this intrusion sa Benham Rise be considered as

more alarming doon sa mga,

marabang weekly stories of water canons

against our fishing vessels?

Magkapareha, Sir, in terms of gravity.

Kasi, oo naman, Sir, talagang kiss-kiss na ron.

It can, kung ma-aksidente yung barko natin

at lumubog at may mamatay,

problemang malaki yan, noong,

na kailangan ma-resolve ba?

Ito naman, talagang intrusion.

So, maliwanag na.

But, it's up to the armed forces to do what it needs to do.

Pwedeng damputin lahat yung mga yan, Sir?

If you were the decision maker, Sir,

yung mga nangyayari ngayon sa water cannon incidents,

itong pinaagrabe, meron ng na-injure na

Philippine Navy personnel,

ano po ba sa tingin ninyo ang dapat gawin

at ano sa tingin ninyo ang mangyayari

during the incident?

At the time of our President Bongbong Marcos?

Ang pwedeng gawin dyan, Sir,

kung ang objective is sa resupply mission,

pwede natin, Sir, ilapit-lapit yung ating mga

supply ships na may heliborne capacity, Sir.

Hindi nila maawawater cannon yan.

Lang yun, Sir.

Kunyari, i-digit mo lang

a tenautical from Ayungin,

mga ano lang yan, 15 minutes.

I-digit lang yung chopper ride.

Ang, if we deploy that, Sir,

there are people who are saying that

baka we are already provoking

because these are no longer

Coast Guard vessels but Navy.

Anong masasabi nyo dyan, Sir,

na baka ma-provoke naman natin yung

China?

Hindi necessarily ma-provoke, Sir.

Kasi malayo naman yan, Sir.

Tapos, ano yan eh,

Navy, Sir, yung,

may resupply.

Dapat, wala naman problema na

hindi rin yung, ano.

At yung mga tineo tayo nilang,

Sir, hindi naman natin napakita

yung resupply mission sila doon.

Bakit nila pakita naman ito?

Barko ito, Sir, eh.

Barko.

So, meron nga replenishment at sea na

na exercise, eh.

Para lang magawa yun.

We are

doing that

even if we have every right to do that.

Baka may escalate, Sir.

Pero with this, mabilis lang.

Within 15 minutes, mariresupply nila yun.

Tapos, eventually, they can just put

a helipad doon, Sir, sa, ano,

sa Sierra Madre.

Winnewelding lang naman yan, eh.

Inaayos lang yan.

Kaya ang gawin yun, Sir.

So, they can do that.

Kapag magkaroon ng helipad mismo doon sa

BRP Sierra Madre,

resupply mission by air na lang.

Yun, Sir.

Di wala nang binobomba.

Senator Sani, what do you think of the, ano,

the effectiveness of our,

siguro, naka-apat na yata tayo

or limang diplomatic protests.

What do you think of the effectiveness

of these kinds of

official government activities

against China?

Well, kahit hindi siya, Sir, effective,

we have to keep on doing it.

Kasi, the moment we stop doing it,

sasabihin ng China,

oh, may stop na kayo.

Hindi nyo, hindi mga kayo nagreklamo.

So, parang tinanggap nyo na,

we have to keep on doing it.

But, I agree, Sir, ano,

hindi na siya effective

kasi nagiging rogue state na itong China

as regards the West Philippine Sea issues.

Hindi siya nakikial,

hindi, hindi, hindi ni-disregard niya

all international rules.

And again, based on your analysis,

Senator Sani,

yung sinasabi na

itong incursions ng China

sa West Philippine Sea issues,

itong incursions ng China sa West Philippine Sea issues,

is a precursor

to their eventual invasion of Taiwan.

Is there any

credibility to that story?

Or likelihood of that event?

Well, based on

intelligence information, Sir,

at open sources,

talagang

imminent yung

yung

invasion of Taiwan.

At tinitignan

ito by

20 years.

So, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito.

2027, yun yung timeline nila.

And because of that,

they need to make sure

na itong Pilipinas

ay hindi magiging

launching ground

or maging

forward operating base

ng American forces.

So, the likelihood of an invasion

is very high.

Yes, Sir.

And what do you think should the

Republic of the Philippines do, especially

our government leaders, given that

imminent invasion?

Well, kailangan

makiramay tayo dito sa

issue na ito. Yung Taiwan

is a democracy.

Tayo nung ginigipit tayo, Sir,

dito sa West Philippine Sea,

humihingi tayo ng saklolo.

And some nations responded.

Yung EU,

Japan, Australia,

US,

so nagresponde sila.

Pero when the time comes na itong

Taiwan ihingi ng tulong,

tayo, being the closest neighbor,

we have to respond.

Historically, ganun yung Pilipinas

sa World War II,

sa Vietnam, sa Korea,

nagre-respond tayo.

Hindi ito

sasabihin ng iba

na madadamay tayo,

kailangan

magsarili lang tayo.

Pag ginawa mo yan,

darating yung panahon,

ikaw ang hihingi ng tulong,

walang sasaklolo sa iyo.

So, hindi dapat ganun.

At itong

US,

meron silang mga

tinatayong yung EDCA bases.

Yan,

ano yan, Sir?

They will be able to support

any upsurge in

military operations.

Doon concerned yung

military operations,

yung China.

They want it stopped.

Pero, wala na yun.

The ship has sailed,

matatapos na yun, Sir.

Maganda na sabi mo,

Senator Sani,

about the EDCA bases.

And at the same time,

maganda yung nasabi nyo,

Senator Sani,

na

ang ating current president,

eh, kumbaga, eh,

not as friendly

to China

as compared to his predecessor.

Some political analysts

will always say,

na itong nangyayari

na

Marcos Duterte

hidwaan,

eh, parang proxy war lang po ito

ng US and China.

Ano sa tingin nyo doon, Sir?

I totally agree, Sir.

But,

coincidence din

in essence,

kasi nangyari lang na itong

si Duterte talagang pro-China.

Ito naman si President Marcos,

hindi naman necessarily pro-US.

Kaso,

doon na dadala,

dahil talagang very,

very aggressive naman yung ginagawa sa

ng China,

doon sa West Philippines.

Papano tayo magiging kaalyado niyan?

Kumbaga,

China basically turned away

si, eh,

si President Marcos

away from them

and towards the Western allies.

Si Duterte lang kasi nung panahon niya,

talagang

hinayaan niyang binubuli yung mga

mga forces natin

to the point, Sir,

na nag-issue siya ng order early on

during his term

sa AFP, sa Navy in particular,

na huwag magpatrolya doon sa

disputed waters.

I remember yan, Sir.

He practically surrendered that.

Sabi ko nga, when we were still

in the service sa Navy,

pag may nakita kaming pumasok

sa EEC, kuhuliin talaga yan,

dadalin talaga sa

port.

Ngayon, nung panahon niya,

walang nanguhuli, Sir.

Kaya dumamakita.

And akala nung China, they can keep on

doing that kay President Marcos.

Pero, apparently not.

Pero, is it too late, Sir,

to reverse that policy

na lumalabas

na, sige, pababayaan na lang

namin kayo. And then,

if our leader will now

say, ah, hindi, we will no longer

honor that accommodation,

huhuli na lang namin kayo?

Do we still have that, number one?

That audacity? Number two, that

capability? And then, number three,

that responsibility

to protect our territory?

Okay. Doon sa

capability, Sir, baka wala na. Doon sa

West Philippine Sea part.

Pero yung dito sa may

norte,

yan, Benham Rise,

Scarborough area,

pwede.

Kaso nga lang, magkakaroon,

Sir, ng standoff.

So, yun naman ang inaawasan.

Inaawasan. But, it doesn't mean

na pababayaan mo na lang sila.

So, yung ginagawa ngayon, Sir,

ng Coast Guard,

ng constant

silang, vigilant sila,

nakikita nila, yan yung

tinatawag na maritime domain awareness.

Alam nila yung

nangyayari sa teritoryo natin,

Sir. At hindi nila hinahayaan

lang yung China. So, that is

good enough. Pero yung ibang areas,

pwede mo huliin.

Hindi parang takot na takot, Sir, eh.

Ah, yung mga

hinuhuli namin noong late 90s,

dyan sa area na yan, mga

Chinese ships naman, wala

namang, ah, ano,

ah, ganong

malaking issue, although there was

one time, ah,

ako, Sir, nag-file sila

ng diplomatic protest, and I was

named kasi I was one of the

boarding officers, Sir.

But still, it didn't stop us from doing

our job. Yung Chinese vessel

na hinuhuli nyo, Sir, nung nasa Navy kayo,

ah, I suppose

fishing vessel ng China? Meron

yung cover, may mga

fishing vessels, pero ito cover ito, eh.

We believe it was a surveillance ship

na nag, ah,

disguised as a fishing vessel.

Kasi sophisticated yung radio

equipment. Ah, so,

binord namin,

and because of that,

ah, prinotesta ako na.

Pero ano nangyari, Sir,

dun sa barko, at saka

dun sa mga tao dun sa loob ng barko?

Nang Chinese vessel.

Well, they were unharmed.

At, ah, but,

yun, Sir, nakita nila na

nag-enforcer yung

Pilipinas. So,

eventually, nagreklamo sila, Sir,

na ano daw,

binunggo daw sila, o kung ano man.

So, they were temporarily

detained, tapos,

pinalaya nyo rin using the same boat

just to show them that, oh, you

violated our

territory. Yun, Sir. Tapos,

we made sure, paalabas, Sir, sila.

So, makikita naman ng radar yun, Sir, eh.

So, lumaya, Sir, sila.

So, that's, ah,

what, ah, we should do.

At least, doon sa mga areas

na hindi, hindi

ganong disputed, as yung

sa mga...

Oo, doon, Sir.

So...

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