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00:00.0
Okay guys, sa previous episode, pinag-usapan natin lahat.
00:04.1
Ayon kay Sir Ronald, Angel Locsin, Angel Aquino, lahat.
00:08.3
Kapuso, Kapamilya, 85, may mga nagpipipa.
00:12.3
Lahat, isama na natin para masaya na itong usapan na ito.
00:15.4
Kasi yung teorya ni Sir Ronald is the more, the menier.
00:19.3
The more, hindi merrier, menier lang, magulo lang.
00:22.4
Now ito, this episode, let's talk about this very good observation by Mark na
00:28.4
mukhang ito na yung moment ni Riza Ontiveros in every sense of the word.
00:33.3
And this is where we really see a direct clash between Riza and Sara.
00:36.5
We have seen this building up for quite some time.
00:39.0
Of course, last year dun sa confidential fund issue,
00:41.9
I think Riza Ontiveros was able to prove her mettle of leadership.
00:45.4
But now, ito na, dahil kay Kibuloy, Kibuloy,
00:48.0
ito na talaga, nag-abanggaan na talaga sila directly and she's now questioning,
00:52.9
I mean, anong klase kang vicepresidente if you're gonna take a side of someone accused of this and that.
00:57.5
And of course, yung iba rin nagsasabi na do not use your public position for private interest posturing
01:04.9
given the close ties between the two families.
01:06.8
But before we go there, Sir Ronald, I wanna ask you first,
01:10.3
what's going on with this whole Kibuloy thing?
01:13.2
Akala natin, ito na, arestoy na siya.
01:15.2
Parang the delaying tactics, what's happening?
01:17.5
Is Zubiri waiting for BBM to come back before making a big decision?
01:21.2
Kasi mukhang the whole show cause order thing was probably just giving more time to one side, no?
01:26.5
Or give more time to BBM?
01:27.5
Or give more time to BBM to come back?
01:28.3
What's going on there?
01:29.5
Well, may kinausap akong dalawang ex-senator.
01:32.7
Pati sila nalito dito sa hiningi ni Zubiri na show cause order.
01:36.2
Wala naman daw ganong klase sa guidelines sa Senate, no?
01:39.9
Kaya tingin ko ay sinusubukan ni Zubiri ipa,
01:44.9
pag di siya, nagpe-play din siya sa crowd ni Kibuloy na objective siya, no?
01:49.9
Lalo na, pareha silang Tiga Mindanao, no?
01:51.8
Pero at the same time, alam niya na inevitable na mag-issue ng,
01:56.4
hindi lamang ng contempt, kundi eventually ng warrant, no?
02:00.9
Kaya tingin ko, binigyan lang niya ng kaunting space nitong nakaraang mga araw
02:05.3
para sabihin na, oh, hindi naman ako frotting anti-Kibuloy, no?
02:09.6
Kaya yung direction of the main blow, huwag sa akin, no?
02:13.2
Sa iba nyo i-channel, no?
02:15.0
Pero, I'm almost sure, next week, no?
02:18.0
Sa December, ah, sa December, sa...
02:21.7
Nagal pa yan, ha?
02:23.4
Sa lunes.
02:24.2
Sa lunes.
02:25.5
Sa lunes.
02:25.7
Sa lunes.
02:25.8
Sa lunes.
02:25.8
Sa lunes.
02:25.9
Ay, ah,
02:26.4
ay kinakailangan niya kumilos, kundi mas sisira rin siya as Senate President, no?
02:30.8
Dahil, lahat naman ng rules, eh, kahit itong show cost na hindi naman kinakailangang
02:35.3
tangkilikil ni Sen. Riza, ay pinayagan niya with due respect sa Senate President.
02:41.4
Pero ngayon, sa lunes, ay kinakailangan niya kumilos, no?
02:45.2
Lalo na, kung maglalabas din ang warrant, ang house, tapos mauhuli na naman ang Senate.
02:50.9
Siyempre, may competition silang dalawa, no?
02:53.2
Pero, ah, si Riza ay maganda yung...
02:56.4
Kanyang traction.
02:57.2
Sabi nga ni Mark, pinapanood ko yung kanyang mga interviews, no?
03:00.6
Ah, malaki yung traction niya.
03:03.0
Itong pinakahuli, kay Malumangahas.
03:05.2
Tapos, binabasa ko yung mga comments sa ANC.
03:07.9
Eh, pati yung mga hindi naman supporter niya, sinong supportahan siya ngayon?
03:13.5
Kaya, ah, talagang maganda yung, ah, yung traction niya rito kay Kibuloy.
03:17.8
Lalo na, nung binanata niya yung kanyang, ah, fellow senators na nagde-defensa kay Kibuloy,
03:22.9
na nag-iinvoke ng friendship.
03:25.0
Ay, gulping-gulping yun.
03:26.4
Gulping-gulping sila Sintia Villar, tsaka sila I.M.I., no?
03:29.8
Dun sa kanilang arguments about friendship, no?
03:32.1
Etcetera, etcetera.
03:33.5
Kaya, ah, I'm almost sure may value added siya rito, no?
03:38.3
At, ah, kahit, ah, eh, binabasto siya, eh, sa mga rally, eh.
03:42.7
No? Tinatawag siyang imoral, tinatawag siya ng konono.
03:46.0
Eh, walang...
03:47.3
Sa general public, ay, ah, ay pabor pa nga kay Sen. Riza yun, eh.
03:51.6
Dahil parang, ah, parang itong mga ito, itong, ah, crowd na ito, ay, ah,
03:56.4
ay, ah, parang hindi naman sila popular sa mas malawak na, na publiko, no?
04:02.3
At yung, ah, at yung hamon niya kay Vice President Sara
04:05.8
na huwag gamitin yung kanyang posisyon para depensahan nito,
04:09.3
lalo na International Women's Month ngayong Marso,
04:12.6
ay tingin ko value added din yung kay Sen. Riza.
04:15.1
At kabawasan yan kay Vice President Sara Duterte, Big R, no?
04:19.1
Tingin ko itong baka nga mangyari dito sa suporta ni, ni Sara,
04:23.9
kay Kibuloy, parang ito yung kanyang, pala eh,
04:26.4
ah, second phase nung kanyang confidential at saka intelligence fund.
04:30.4
Paano nagulpi siya ron, eh?
04:31.9
Baka dito, magulpi rin siya dyan, eh.
04:33.9
Paano ang hirap mo nang bawiin yan, eh?
04:35.8
Dahil ang, ang babalat sa'yo, hindi lamang yung mga dilaw,
04:39.8
hindi lamang yung mga pink, hindi lamang yung mga undecided,
04:43.3
kundi pati yung mga BBM, no?
04:45.7
Kaya, ah, wala ko nakikita.
04:48.0
Tabi nga ni Kwan, ni Mark, playing to the crowd.
04:51.8
Well, yung crowd sa'yo na yan, eh.
04:53.7
Hindi na matatagdagan ang ratings mo dyan, eh.
04:56.4
Wala, ang dapat madagdagan sa ratings mo,
04:58.8
yung, yung hindi pa sa'yo.
05:00.6
At, tingin ko, dito sa issue ng supporta niya kay Kibuloy,
05:04.0
at pagpunta niya sa rally, wala siyang nakuhang dagdag.
05:07.6
Bawas pa nga, eh.
05:09.4
Tingin ko yung nangyari.
05:10.1
Pero, Ron, how can you say that?
05:11.4
Because she's still the most popular public figure
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base sa mga surveys na nakita natin.
05:16.8
So, it doesn't look like the confidential fund affected very much.
05:20.6
The only area where I see she was affected is,
05:23.5
hindi na siya number one for 2028, na si Rafi Kluz.
05:26.4
Taken over.
05:27.9
Tingin ko affected siya dahil,
05:30.3
from where she came from,
05:33.0
na mas mataas,
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kahit by increments,
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bumaba ba naman siya.
05:37.9
Ikalawa, yung binanggit mo nga,
05:40.0
sa ibang survey,
05:41.1
lamang na sa kanya si Rafi Tulpo,
05:42.7
na hindi before nangyari.
05:44.5
Diba?
05:45.0
So, tingin ko yung mga increments na yan,
05:47.2
ay, ah...
05:49.0
Cumulative.
05:50.2
Parang boxing, eh.
05:51.1
Yeah.
05:51.2
In the next few surveys,
05:54.1
might, might, ah...
05:56.0
might show,
05:56.4
might show a trend, no?
05:57.6
Might show a trend.
05:58.6
Not yet, no?
05:59.8
Pero kung yung movement of numbers mo
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magpapatuloy
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in the next two or three surveys, no?
06:05.2
Kahit siya yan ay hindi dramatic,
06:07.1
eh, delikado ka.
06:08.5
Delikado ka, no?
06:09.4
Tingin ko nagu-worry sila
06:10.7
dun sa paglampas sa kanya ni Tulpo,
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even in Mindanao.
06:15.4
No?
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Hindi lang yun na nationwide, ha?
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Even in Mindanao.
06:18.0
Kaya, ah...
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Tingin ko, tinatamaan siya kahit papano.
06:21.4
Kaya ang tinitignan ko lagi,
06:22.8
hindi yung absolute numbers.
06:24.9
The movement of numbers.
06:26.4
Yeah, yun na.
06:27.5
But her numbers went up last year,
06:29.3
fourth quarter, then...
06:30.8
But I see...
06:31.7
But I already anticipate.
06:33.0
I said, at least one area
06:33.8
we see her sliding down is
06:35.5
hindi na siya a clear frontrunner.
06:37.8
Mukhang Rafi Tulpo has taken over.
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I'll get back to you on this Sarah issue
06:40.8
because my sense is
06:42.1
this is also existential to them.
06:43.9
It's not just about her numbers and popularity.
06:46.3
But Mark,
06:47.1
is there...
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Has anyone made an issue na
06:49.1
MIA ba si Rafi
06:50.9
in this whole drama?
06:51.8
Because he's also part of that committee, right?
06:53.9
And you would expect normally
06:55.0
Rafi Tulpo would be there
06:56.3
for the next two or three years.
06:56.4
For the victims, etc.
06:58.3
But...
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He voted...
06:59.6
He didn't join...
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Yeah, he just voted quietly in favor
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pero yun nga.
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You would have expected him
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to come out guns blazing.
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I mean, considering his brand,
07:07.3
whole brand.
07:08.7
He's trying to stay away from
07:10.7
yung awayan ng Marcos at Duterte.
07:13.2
And I think,
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kung strategy-wise,
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that's the right strategy to do it.
07:17.6
You don't need to
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immerse yourself.
07:19.8
You don't need to pick a side right now.
07:21.9
Hindi mo kailangang magulo dyan sa ano.
07:23.8
Kasi si Tulpo, like,
07:25.0
this week,
07:25.9
he was involved dun sa...
07:28.6
Nilabas niya yung sa Lotto.
07:31.4
Yung 20 times na nalo
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yung isang Lotto winner daw, diba?
07:35.9
So, yun yung mga...
07:37.5
Yun yung mga nilabas niya this week
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na mga issue.
07:40.2
So, I think he is
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sinasadyang mag-stay away
07:44.8
doon sa issue
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para hindi siya...
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Hindi niya makuha yung galit.
07:49.0
Alam niya mainit pareho
07:50.1
and it wouldn't help him
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in the long run
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kung makisama siya.
07:53.5
And not only that,
07:54.2
but still the limelight also
07:55.8
from Riza.
07:56.4
In a way, this is Riza's
07:57.6
hard work, right?
07:58.7
Maybe it's also that, eh.
08:00.0
Na hindi lang opportunistically
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ayaw ko matamaan ng ano.
08:04.1
Pero,
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kay Riza to, eh.
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Ayaw ko maki-ano dyan.
08:06.5
Maki-embat dyan.
08:07.4
Siguro it's also that, no?
08:08.6
To be fair to...
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I guess hindi siya tinatanong, eh.
08:11.4
Yeah, exactly.
08:11.8
Kasi si...
08:12.3
Napanood ko si Senator Nancy.
08:14.9
She was asked.
08:15.9
Sinabi niya,
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kasi ano lang, eh.
08:17.3
Kasi usually,
08:18.8
kung sino yung head ng committee,
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we respect kung ano yung
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decision niya.
08:23.7
Merong tradition na gano'n yung Senate.
08:25.3
So,
08:25.8
yun naman yung ano nila.
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Yun naman yung reason nila doon.
08:27.8
Which is,
08:28.5
tama naman din, di ba?
08:29.7
So,
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hindi lang siguro natanong
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si Senator Rafi.
08:33.3
Except for...
08:34.5
Limawa,
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nung tala nung si Grace po,
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in-emphasize din niya
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yung pag-support
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kay Senator Riza.
08:40.7
Pero hindi na sila
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nag-grandstanding.
08:42.9
Dahil,
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binibigay nila yun
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sa head ng committee, eh.
08:46.8
Di ba?
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That's the point, exactly.
08:49.6
So, in fairness,
08:50.2
kudos to Rafi
08:51.7
and Grace.
08:53.4
In a sense,
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I know marami haters
08:55.3
ng mga dalawa.
08:55.8
Dalawa na yan dito
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sa mga followers natin.
08:56.9
Hindi sila nagpagpala doon sa ano.
08:58.3
I say this to Richard din, ha?
09:00.7
Yeah.
09:01.6
Yung boto,
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yung boto dito,
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yung the five who voted
09:05.4
with the,
09:06.0
the five who voted
09:07.2
for Kibuloy.
09:08.3
Di ba?
09:08.5
Si Robin,
09:09.3
si Senator Bongo,
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si yung dalawang billiard,
09:13.2
and who's the other one?
09:15.0
Amy.
09:15.5
Senator Amy.
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Ay, nakakalimutan niya na si Amy.
09:19.4
What's her name?
09:20.4
What's her face?
09:21.2
Gano'n.
09:21.7
Wow.
09:22.2
I saw what you did there, Mark.
09:24.0
I saw what you did.
09:24.7
Nakakalimutan ko lang.
09:25.8
Ito yung boto na nagmamarke.
09:29.0
People will remember this vote.
09:31.4
So come election time,
09:33.2
so hindi to basta-basta boto lang,
09:36.1
in my opinion.
09:37.2
Nagmamarke.
09:38.0
People will remember.
09:38.9
Ikaw yung bumoto na
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hindi ipatawag si Kibuloy.
09:42.5
Pero pag ibang tao,
09:43.9
kapag ordinaryong Pilipino,
09:45.6
pag pinatawag nyo,
09:47.0
kailangang umatend.
09:48.6
Di ba?
09:48.8
Si Senator Robin,
09:50.1
pinapatawag yung NTC
09:51.4
para doon sa,
09:52.6
dahil sa suspension ng SMNI.
09:54.6
Di ba?
09:54.8
E paano pag,
09:55.7
ayun yung sabi,
09:56.9
ayoko, ayoko umatend.
09:58.4
Di ba?
09:58.8
So,
10:00.1
kung mga nagdo-double standards,
10:01.5
so nagmamarke talaga sa tao
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yung naging boto nila dito
10:04.2
for Kibuloy.
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Kaya alimbawa,
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si Mark Pillar,
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medyo tahimik siya.
10:09.0
Parang,
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sumunod siya sa nanay niya.
10:10.9
Sumunod siya sa nanay niya.
10:12.0
Kasi nanay niya,
10:13.0
kaya tahimik,
10:13.7
ang daming memes.
10:14.5
Pero hindi siya nagsalita.
10:16.3
At least,
10:16.6
wala akong nagsalita.
10:17.4
Dahil,
10:18.0
alam niya,
10:18.5
pag nagmarka yan,
10:19.5
sisingilin siya later dyan.
10:21.0
Yes.
10:21.7
Best talk,
10:22.2
less mistake.
10:23.7
Eh lang,
10:24.5
di ba sinisingil pa rin siya
10:25.7
dun sa 45 minutes
10:27.0
anywhere in Manila?
10:28.4
Di ba meron siyang ganun dati?
10:29.9
Tapos nag-call play,
10:31.0
call play.
10:32.0
Grabe yung traffic.
10:33.4
Nagpasalitan na rin
10:34.1
yung mga call play.
10:35.4
But I wanna ask
10:36.1
both of you guys.
10:36.8
I mean, Ronald,
10:38.8
parang,
10:40.0
okay,
10:41.5
okay,
10:41.8
Sarah could always argue
10:42.9
mataas ng popularity ko,
10:44.2
I can do whatever I want.
10:45.2
But my sense is,
10:46.1
it's more like,
10:47.1
delicados,
10:48.0
I mean,
10:48.4
why would she
10:49.3
still risk it
10:50.5
and put the full force
10:52.0
of her
10:52.4
bully pulpit
10:53.5
behind Kiboloy
10:54.5
considering,
10:55.7
alam mo na,
10:56.3
di ba,
10:56.6
saan napapunta ito?
10:57.8
Di ba,
10:58.0
sobrang ano na eh.
10:59.5
It's not like,
11:00.7
I mean,
11:01.2
at least nung lumabas
11:02.1
si Robin at Padilla,
11:03.2
I don't know,
11:03.6
maybe may konting chance pa.
11:04.8
But by now,
11:05.5
it's more or less clear.
11:07.2
Why would,
11:07.9
why do you think
11:08.6
Sarah would make that risk?
11:09.7
I mean,
11:09.9
you kind of touch on this
11:11.3
in the previous episode
11:13.0
in a sense na,
11:14.1
parang,
11:14.5
wait lang,
11:14.9
Sarah is generally
11:16.1
strategic ambiguity,
11:17.8
di ba,
11:17.9
may pakaneutral siya.
11:19.6
Dito,
11:20.2
she put the bully pulpit
11:21.6
behind,
11:22.0
so she makes herself
11:22.8
a direct target of Risa
11:24.1
and all the potential rivals,
11:26.0
if not worse.
11:27.0
Is it because
11:27.5
this is an existential issue
11:28.9
for them?
11:29.7
Because,
11:30.0
stand up and be counted
11:32.0
moment na kasi eh.
11:33.4
Dahil,
11:34.2
sinisigil na sila
11:35.4
ni Kiboloy
11:35.9
dahil,
11:36.5
nung nagsimula itong
11:38.1
issue kay Kiboloy,
11:39.8
hindi sila masyado
11:40.5
nagsasalita.
11:41.4
Pero ngayon,
11:42.3
sinisigil na sila eh
11:43.2
dahil,
11:43.7
antagal nilang makakasama,
11:45.0
halos lumalaki
11:45.7
mga bata yan eh.
11:47.2
Kiboloy na yung mga yan eh,
11:48.6
di ba?
11:49.3
Tapos yung tatay nila
11:50.3
naging administrator na ngayon.
11:52.0
Kaya ni Kiboloy,
11:53.2
di ba?
11:53.7
So,
11:54.6
stand up and be counted na eh.
11:56.7
Wala bang compromise?
11:57.9
Siguro may compromise.
11:59.2
Sinasabi,
11:59.6
baka may compromise yan,
12:00.7
kaya ganun.
12:01.1
Pwede, pwede.
12:02.2
Dahil,
12:02.6
sabi nga nung isang hardinero
12:04.2
na nakita daw sila
12:05.2
na kumukuha ng mga barel,
12:06.5
di ba?
12:07.3
Doon sa garden,
12:09.1
sa bundok.
12:10.4
So,
12:11.4
it could be a lot of factors na eh.
12:13.1
Pero,
12:13.5
ayun nga,
12:14.3
pwede naman kasi
12:14.9
nag-negotiate si
12:15.9
Vice President.
12:16.9
Teka, teka ah.
12:18.0
Ayoko mapahamak dito,
12:19.4
no?
12:20.0
Suportado kita,
12:20.6
pero hindi ko kinakailangan
12:21.8
pumunta sa rally.
12:23.1
Hindi ko kinakailangan
12:24.0
maglabas ng public
12:25.2
pronouncement,
12:26.5
supporting issue.
12:27.2
Dapat ganun lang
12:27.8
ninegotiate niya.
12:29.2
Di ba?
12:29.8
Dahil,
12:30.4
exactly,
12:31.5
sabi mo nga,
12:32.0
existential yung issue.
12:33.9
Eh, bakit?
12:34.6
Dadagdagan niya.
12:36.1
Dadagdagan niya yung
12:37.0
threat sa kanyang existence.
12:39.8
So,
12:40.3
pwede naman niya
12:40.8
ipinaliwanag yun eh.
12:41.8
O,
12:42.1
tatay ko na lang
12:43.3
ang babanat.
12:44.1
O,
12:44.7
yung mga,
12:45.1
pa na lang,
12:45.7
yung mga senador na lang
12:46.7
na PDP laban.
12:47.6
O,
12:48.4
si Bastina lang
12:49.4
at saka si Pulong.
12:50.4
Pero ako,
12:51.2
kinakailangan
12:51.8
ko ng ambiguity.
12:53.8
Kinakailangan ko
12:54.4
ng kaunting
12:55.2
deniability.
12:56.6
Dahil ito,
12:57.2
wala na eh.
12:57.7
Paano papaliwanag
12:58.7
sa presidente?
13:00.1
Paano mo ipapaliwanag
13:01.2
sa cabinet?
13:01.9
No?
13:02.5
Napaka uncomfortable
13:03.8
niya pagdaro niya
13:04.5
sa cabinet
13:05.0
pagbalik ni BBM.
13:07.1
No?
13:07.5
Yun yung,
13:08.2
tapos,
13:09.4
babanatan ka na
13:10.3
ng mga detractors mo
13:11.6
o ng mga critics mo.
13:13.1
No?
13:13.5
Kaya,
13:14.2
paano mo sasagutin
13:15.0
si Risa?
13:15.4
No?
13:16.6
At this point,
13:17.6
no?
13:18.4
Yeah,
13:18.8
she's very open to that.
13:19.9
And how do you see this?
13:21.3
At sabi ko,
13:21.8
sabi ko nga,
13:22.8
Richard,
13:23.2
no?
13:23.5
E paano kumakonvict
13:24.6
si Kibuloy?
13:26.4
Either dito
13:27.1
o sa
13:27.6
FBI,
13:28.6
sa USO.
13:29.8
Tapos ang kaso is
13:30.7
human trafficking
13:32.5
not only of women,
13:33.9
human trafficking
13:34.6
of children.
13:36.2
No?
13:36.6
Tapos ikaw ang head
13:37.4
ng DepEd.
13:38.4
Sunog ka dyan.
13:39.5
No?
13:40.4
Buguhu ka dyan.
13:41.5
Diba?
13:42.2
Baka mas mabilis
13:43.0
yung pagbaba
13:43.6
ng iyong
13:44.1
approval rating
13:45.4
than yung increments
13:46.6
last year.
13:48.0
Yan yung magiging problema mo.
13:49.3
Lalo na,
13:50.3
it's not a vacuum.
13:51.7
No?
13:51.8
Babanatang ka na lahat.
13:53.6
Mas maingat
13:54.5
si
13:54.9
si
13:55.4
Sen. Tulpo
13:56.8
dahil yan
13:57.8
ay mag-scale up
13:58.8
after the midterms
13:59.9
but not before.
14:01.2
Diba?
14:02.0
So,
14:02.4
he will choose his battle
14:03.6
at para hindi siya
14:05.0
magmukhang
14:05.6
contender
14:07.3
yet
14:08.3
para sa
14:08.9
2028.
14:10.1
No?
14:10.3
Ngayon.
14:10.8
It's a mega grandstand.
14:12.4
Grandstand.
14:12.7
Medyo calculated.
14:14.5
Medyo nagpe-pay off
14:15.5
yung kanyang calculation
14:16.4
dahil tumataas siya
14:17.4
without
14:18.5
putting your head up
14:21.3
para banatan
14:21.7
ng lahat
14:22.4
ng mga kanyon.
14:23.6
Right.
14:24.1
Right.
14:24.6
Mark, ikaw,
14:25.5
dun sa lower house
14:26.4
kasi all of what we discussed
14:28.3
was more of what's happening
14:29.4
in the Senate.
14:30.3
Pero sa lower house din
14:31.2
may contempt din
14:32.9
lawan sa kanya.
14:34.0
Si Garin is coming out.
14:35.5
You have
14:35.8
Congresswoman from
14:36.7
Sulugaw del Sur
14:37.7
coming out.
14:38.8
SM&I's franchise.
14:40.0
Mukhang it's about time.
14:41.3
Ang hindi ko masabi
14:42.0
anong unang
14:42.8
ano
14:43.2
will ano
14:44.7
yung franchise ba
14:45.8
or yung arrest.
14:46.8
Diba?
14:47.3
Baka mag-raise
14:48.2
or ita-timing ba nila yan?
14:49.7
Anong basa mo dun
14:50.6
sa nangyari sa baba?
14:51.4
Sa lower house?
14:52.2
Because usually,
14:52.8
it's the Senate
14:53.6
who takes the lead
14:54.3
on this issue.
14:55.0
But ito grabe,
14:56.0
the lower house
14:57.0
is also taking the lead
14:58.1
on this.
14:59.6
Oo, yun na nga eh.
15:01.8
Siguro nga,
15:02.6
parang pressure din
15:04.0
sa Senate.
15:04.8
Diba?
15:05.3
Hindi sila nauunahan
15:06.5
ng Congress
15:07.2
and
15:07.7
parang nagkakaroon
15:09.4
ng ano eh.
15:10.2
Nagkakaroon ng
15:11.1
kung mag-raise
15:13.3
yung dalawa
15:13.8
or
15:14.0
para
15:16.4
to see
15:17.6
sino yung mas mabilis
15:18.7
sa action,
15:19.4
sino yung mas mabilis.
15:20.7
Pero,
15:21.4
pagdating nga sa SMN
15:22.5
ay ano na,
15:23.4
it's as good as
15:24.3
done na
15:25.1
dito sa franchise
15:26.7
sa Congress.
15:27.3
Mukhang wala na talagang
15:28.2
ano,
15:29.0
wala na talaga.
15:29.8
Wala silang kakampi eh.
15:32.1
Hindi ko nga maitindihan
15:32.8
nasaan yung mga
15:33.5
yung mga congressman nila
15:35.1
from Davao.
15:36.4
Diba?
15:36.8
Sila dapat yung
15:37.8
may tatlo sila dun eh
15:38.9
na under kay Duterte.
15:40.0
Maski yun,
15:40.9
hindi sila masyadong
15:41.7
nakikigulo dito.
15:44.5
Di po lang,
15:45.2
Davao congressman yan
15:46.4
from Davao.
15:47.6
From Davao City.
15:49.1
Oo.
15:49.3
Oo.
15:50.8
Oo.
15:51.4
Meron sila.
15:52.2
Diba?
15:52.4
Under kay Duterte yun.
15:54.4
So,
15:55.1
wala eh.
15:55.8
Hindi sila makaano eh.
15:58.0
Talagang,
15:59.2
Mark,
16:00.4
kasi going into the midterms,
16:01.9
filing na sa October,
16:03.3
no?
16:03.7
Kailangan mo all the resources,
16:05.4
diba?
16:06.0
Kailangan mo all the influence
16:07.3
you have.
16:08.1
At sa ngayon,
16:09.1
ang Diyosa sa house
16:11.0
ay the speaker.
16:12.5
Kayang pigili ng speaker.
16:13.8
Lahat ng
16:14.3
grasya na pwede
16:15.9
pumunta sa'yo.
16:17.3
Yun na nga eh.
16:18.0
Kaya tahimik lang eh.
16:19.5
Kaya hindi din sila,
16:20.6
diba?
16:20.8
Hindi din sila,
16:21.3
hindi din sila makaano.
16:21.4
Walang kakampi eh.
16:22.6
Ganun yung nangyayari eh.
16:23.8
Walang,
16:24.3
kaya siguro,
16:25.3
yun lang ang iyong pag-
16:26.4
Ah, sige.
16:27.2
Sorry.
16:27.4
Isma yung presidente
16:28.2
ng PDP laban eh.
16:29.4
Si Congressman Pepito Alvarez eh.
16:31.7
Nag-subo mo sa speaker eh.
16:33.8
Diba?
16:34.2
Wala din eh.
16:34.9
Hindi sila makaano lahat eh.
16:36.4
Maka-forma lahat eh.
16:38.2
At hindi ko nga mag-gets dito
16:39.4
sa side ng SMNI.
16:41.5
Kung bakit nila
16:42.3
kailangang isama si Sara
16:44.7
na knowing na
16:46.2
this can affect
16:46.9
yung kanyang future chances.
16:48.2
Eh, siya na nga lang
16:48.8
ang pinakapag-asa ninyo.
16:50.2
Oo.
16:50.5
Siya na nga lang
16:51.4
ang pinakapag-asa ninyo eh.
16:52.1
Oo.
16:52.7
Oo eh.
16:53.3
Yun yung main-
16:54.7
Why drag her down?
16:56.9
Wala man lang
16:57.4
tactical sense eh.
16:60.0
Oo eh.
17:00.5
It won't
17:01.5
add anything now eh.
17:03.3
Nandun na si Digong eh.
17:04.7
Pumunta na si Digong.
17:05.8
Diba?
17:06.5
Nagsalita na
17:07.1
they should have left
17:09.1
Sara out of this issue
17:10.5
para
17:10.8
she doesn't have to answer eh.
17:13.3
Diba?
17:13.6
Hindi na niya kailangang
17:14.2
sagutin yung mga detractors
17:15.7
and mga
17:16.1
which this would affect
17:18.2
yung kanyang
17:18.7
run for 2028.
17:21.0
So,
17:21.4
baka nagiging
17:22.8
desperate na din siguro
17:23.9
at nagiging
17:24.6
o di ko alam.
17:26.4
Yung nga,
17:26.7
nag-sinabi niyo.
17:27.7
That's the only way
17:28.8
I can see it.
17:29.5
Thank you for saying that, Mark.
17:30.9
I mean,
17:32.2
isn't this about
17:33.3
a psychological barrier
17:34.7
or also
17:35.4
political precedence?
17:36.6
Diba?
17:36.7
If Kiboloy is brought down,
17:38.9
then that makes
17:40.1
the idea of ICC
17:41.4
and bringing down
17:42.9
Duterte and all of that
17:43.8
much more
17:44.5
palatable, right?
17:47.0
Realistic.
17:47.6
I mean,
17:47.8
if Kiboloy goes from
17:49.5
self-appointed this
17:50.7
na may billboards
17:51.4
sa ETSA
17:52.1
and all of that
17:53.0
to suddenly ganyan,
17:54.5
fugitive,
17:55.6
exile,
17:56.5
whatever,
17:57.4
I think that will
17:58.9
inevitably have an impact
18:00.2
also on
18:00.9
the Duterte's sense
18:02.2
of impunity.
18:03.0
Diba, Ronald?
18:03.6
I mean,
18:04.2
that would be
18:04.7
a sense of him
18:06.2
getting arrested
18:07.0
or fugitive,
18:08.1
whatever, right?
18:09.4
Pero kaya ito kasi
18:10.1
kay Kiboloy,
18:11.1
may pagka-inevitable na eh.
18:13.6
Parang lahat.
18:14.0
Oo, inevitable na eh.
18:15.1
Lahat ng kaso.
18:15.8
Sa mga Duterte,
18:16.5
hindi pa eh.
18:17.8
Yung sa ICC,
18:19.1
may position pa si
18:20.1
kwene.
18:20.8
May position pa si
18:21.4
presidente na
18:23.0
hindi ko nakilala
18:24.6
yung jurisdiction.
18:25.6
Ibig sabihin,
18:26.1
mayroon pang kaunting
18:26.8
possibility na
18:28.0
hindi pa pasukin.
18:30.3
Mahiglot.
18:31.4
Kahit hindi binabawi
18:32.8
ni Bongbong
18:33.9
yung kanyang sinabi
18:34.8
na pwede silang pumasok
18:35.9
as turista,
18:36.9
kahit hindi pa niya
18:37.4
binabawi,
18:38.4
consistent siya
18:39.2
about jurisdiction
18:40.4
ng ICC.
18:41.9
Eh,
18:42.2
pag ganito
18:42.8
na pinagdidikit nila
18:44.4
ngayon
18:44.9
yung Kiboloy issue
18:46.4
at saka yung issue
18:47.3
ng Duterte,
18:48.7
eh,
18:49.4
hindi nila binibigyan
18:50.5
ng breathing
18:51.2
space
18:51.4
or wiggle room
18:53.5
si presidente.
18:54.6
Hindi na siya
18:55.4
magdunuwans.
18:56.1
Lalo na si Kiboloy
18:57.1
diretso yung tira
18:58.3
sa presidente
18:59.4
at sa first lady
19:00.9
na devil worshippers,
19:03.4
nag-orgie,
19:04.7
et cetera.
19:06.3
QAnon,
19:07.0
di ba?
19:07.3
QAnon level.
19:08.8
So,
19:09.9
didikit yan,
19:10.9
yung balat ni Kiboloy,
19:11.9
didikit na ngayon
19:12.6
kay Sara,
19:13.3
didikit na yan
19:14.0
sa mga Duterte,
19:15.4
eh,
19:16.4
wala ko nakikita
19:17.1
yung tactical gain
19:17.9
for them.
19:19.2
Ang isa ko
19:20.6
pating
19:20.8
isa po,
19:21.4
na naisip ko lang
19:23.4
din noong isang araw,
19:25.0
ah,
19:25.7
sino ang magmamana
19:26.9
noong lahat
19:27.4
noong kayamanan
19:28.1
ni Kiboloy, eh?
19:29.3
May chance sa ba
19:30.0
na it would go
19:31.5
to the Dutertes
19:32.4
na ipagiganti nyo ko
19:34.2
o gamitin nyo yung
19:35.4
so, kasi
19:36.3
hindi,
19:37.4
walang lumalabas
19:38.4
na
19:39.1
na, na
19:39.8
tagapagmana
19:40.9
or anak
19:41.7
or pamangkin
19:42.7
na ginugroom niya
19:44.1
to be yes.
19:45.1
Kasi Kiboloy,
19:46.2
kahit na magaling
19:47.0
pa magbasketball yan,
19:48.5
syempre,
19:48.9
medyo advanced age
19:50.1
na din si Kiboloy, eh.
19:51.2
So,
19:52.2
so, yun ang iniisip ko
19:53.4
kung saan mapupunta
19:54.5
yung,
19:54.9
yung
19:55.6
pinyon, eh.
19:57.1
Si administrator.
19:57.8
Si administrator.
19:58.3
Pinyon, yun.
19:58.9
Pinyon.
19:59.5
Yun nga, eh.
20:00.4
Yun nga, eh.
20:00.9
Yung kingdom na lang, eh.
20:02.0
Yung administrator, eh.
20:05.7
Sino,
20:06.2
is there a chance,
20:07.8
is there a scenario
20:08.9
in the future
20:09.7
that the Dutertes
20:11.1
will take over
20:11.9
KOJC?
20:14.2
Magkakaroon ng
20:14.8
Pastor Duterte?
20:16.8
Someone from the Duterte
20:17.8
will handle?
20:18.5
Kasi walang,
20:19.0
walang clear na
20:20.0
tagapagmana
20:21.2
yung, ano, eh,
20:21.9
succession plan
20:23.1
itong si Kiboloy, eh.
20:25.3
Diba?
20:25.5
Unlike the other
20:26.8
religions na meron tayo,
20:28.5
local dito sa bansa,
20:29.8
diba?
20:30.5
So, yun,
20:30.8
hindi ako magugulat,
20:31.4
hindi ako magugulat
20:32.9
na may mga ganong
20:33.8
klaseng arrangement, no?
20:35.1
Kahit hindi, halimbawa,
20:36.8
naging administrator
20:37.7
si Digong.
20:38.9
Dahil mismo si Digong,
20:39.9
inaamin niya, eh.
20:41.0
No?
20:41.5
Ah,
20:42.3
pag may binibiling bahay
20:43.4
si Kiboloy,
20:45.0
hat,
20:45.9
dalawa,
20:46.5
para hati sila.
20:47.7
Pag may binibiling kotse,
20:49.3
dalawa,
20:49.8
para ting isa sila.
20:50.9
No?
20:51.2
Etcetera, etcetera.
20:52.0
Oo, Rona, tama na.
20:52.9
I can see where this is.
20:54.6
Tama na.
20:57.6
Stop, stop, stop.
21:00.7
Tama na.
21:00.9
Hindi ako magugulat
21:02.1
kung, halimbawa,
21:03.3
yung mga stocks
21:04.3
o yung mga properties,
21:06.2
ay,
21:06.7
at the very minimum,
21:08.7
ay,
21:08.9
baka meron doon,
21:09.7
meron doon mga kasulatan, no?
21:12.0
Baka may gas station.
21:14.8
Oo.
21:15.6
Hindi ko pa binabanggit.
21:16.8
Hindi ko pa binabanggit.
21:17.7
Ano ang stock station
21:18.9
ng plan, eh?
21:19.9
Hindi ko pa binabanggit
21:20.8
yung mga,
21:21.2
thought bubbles
21:21.9
ni Richard, ha?
21:24.5
Pibuloy,
21:25.4
bigong,
21:26.0
tapos Sarah ba yung susunod?
21:27.8
Will we see a Pastor Sarah
21:29.2
in the future?
21:30.5
Na heading KOJC?
21:31.7
You never know.
21:32.4
Baka pag di na sila
21:33.4
mayor and all,
21:34.2
may ano sila, diba?
21:35.4
The religion is very powerful pa rin,
21:39.0
diba?
21:39.2
Kahit na,
21:40.1
actually,
21:40.6
Marta pa isa doon, ha?
21:42.4
That's a good question.
21:44.3
Diba?
21:45.1
Paano yung succession pa?
21:46.5
And is that involved dito sa ano?
21:49.2
Kung maga may kasama ba
21:50.2
yung factor,
21:50.8
sa nangyayari dito,
21:52.2
na they are defending,
21:54.0
and ano,
21:54.6
kasi yun ang,
21:55.2
yun ang isang posibleng,
21:56.8
ano,
21:57.4
posibleng dagdag dyan, eh.
21:59.1
May isa pa akong sasabihin din,
22:01.0
doon sa Congress,
22:02.1
parang sinabi nila,
22:03.1
na hindi pa naman pala
22:04.2
si Duterte yung administrator.
22:06.5
Okay?
22:07.0
Merong isang,
22:07.9
merong isang,
22:08.8
I think,
22:09.2
minister yun,
22:09.8
si Jacobo,
22:11.2
na,
22:12.4
if ever,
22:13.8
si,
22:14.3
yung guy,
22:15.2
is not able to
22:16.7
perform his function,
22:18.5
doon palang makikikin,
22:19.8
na si Duterte,
22:20.8
yung administrator.
22:22.2
So, parang kinlaro nilang gano'n, eh.
22:23.9
Kasi parang hindi pa nila
22:25.2
nare-report, eh.
22:26.8
So,
22:27.5
mag-technical sila.
22:28.9
O.
22:30.5
Contagency, eh.
22:31.2
So, gano'n yun.
22:31.8
Pero siguro,
22:32.8
baka si Duterte na din talaga
22:33.8
nagpapatakbo, di ba?
22:34.9
Hindi natin alam.
22:35.9
Baka sila din talaga.
22:36.5
But, Mark,
22:37.5
if that's the plan,
22:38.7
eh di gusto nila
22:40.0
ma-arrest na
22:40.7
para makuha na nila.
22:42.2
Hindi pa gano'n.
22:43.0
Di ba?
22:44.4
You think the other side
22:45.9
wouldn't think that too?
22:47.1
I'm sure
22:47.6
may plan din yung party,
22:49.7
di ba?
22:50.0
I mean,
22:50.8
baka kunyari lang
22:52.1
yung drama nila,
22:52.9
Ronald.
22:53.5
Pero, gano'n na yan.
22:54.6
Gano'n na yan.
22:55.3
Pero, kistiyana na
22:56.1
para sa kanila na, di ba?
22:57.3
Ang intriga ka talaga,
22:58.6
Richard.
22:59.3
No, I'm just...
23:00.2
Kasi,
23:00.7
will we see
23:01.9
Duterte's
23:03.0
taking over
23:04.5
SMNI
23:05.2
or what is left of SMNI?
23:07.3
Kasi kahit na walang franchise,
23:08.8
eh,
23:08.9
that is still strong
23:10.0
sa social media.
23:12.5
Although,
23:13.1
yun,
23:13.4
nakakalusot pa rin sila
23:14.4
kahit pa paano.
23:15.6
Mga cameras
23:16.3
and
23:17.0
yung mga
23:18.1
buildings sa Makati
23:19.5
and all that,
23:20.2
yung studios,
23:20.8
so,
23:21.3
will we see
23:23.1
in the future
23:23.6
the Duterte's
23:24.2
taking over that,
23:25.3
di ba?
23:25.5
Pero, usually, Mark,
23:26.6
pag ganyan,
23:27.2
yung all-powerful leader,
23:29.4
pag siya ay nag-unravel,
23:30.7
usually yan,
23:31.3
fragmentation yan, eh.
23:32.8
Kanya-kanyang
23:33.4
agawan yan, eh.
23:34.6
Sa kayamanan,
23:35.4
vacuum kasi, oh.
23:36.4
Vacuum of power.
23:37.5
Vacuum, no?
23:38.5
Oo.
23:39.5
Dahil absolute yung kanyang power,
23:41.2
na wala yung absolute,
23:42.2
pag yung absolute,
23:43.1
gulo yan.
23:44.1
No?
23:44.5
Fragmentation.
23:45.0
Pero, andun naman si
23:45.8
absolute digong.
23:47.8
Absolute.
23:48.2
Absolute.
23:49.6
Tama rin sinabi
23:50.6
ni Mark, eh.
23:51.2
But is that also
23:52.4
getting younger, eh?
23:53.5
If it were
23:54.7
younger, no?
23:56.5
Totoo.
23:56.8
If it were another person,
23:58.3
baka they won't be able to
23:59.6
hold together.
23:59.9
Walang cult of personality, eh.
24:03.0
Na meron si digong
24:04.5
at namamano ni Sarah.
24:07.4
So, baka yun yung ano, eh.
24:08.7
Kailangan mo nung
24:09.3
cult of personality na ano, eh.
24:11.8
Na meron si
24:12.8
si Kibuloy.
24:15.1
Di ba?
24:15.3
Digong also has that.
24:16.8
Oo.
24:18.2
Hindi ko sinasabi na ano.
24:19.5
Sinasabi mo lang
24:20.0
cult of personality, oh.
24:21.6
Hindi mo sinasabi na ano.
24:22.9
Pero, parang walang
24:25.1
walang dugo,
24:26.8
wala sa DNA ni
24:28.4
digong yung pagiging
24:29.5
religious, eh.
24:30.8
No?
24:31.0
Kaya,
24:31.6
yung kulto.
24:34.3
Siya na mismo.
24:35.2
Siya na mismo yung ano.
24:36.8
Diba?
24:37.5
Diretso na sa kanya.
24:38.1
Ma-imagine mo si
24:40.0
digong na nagpe-pray
24:41.6
sa kwan,
24:42.5
magiging
24:43.0
appointed son of God,
24:45.4
or si Sarah
24:47.0
na hindi naman
24:47.8
ganong ka-articulate,
24:49.3
hindi ganong
24:49.7
ka-sponsorize,
24:50.6
medyo mahihirapan sila,
24:52.2
di ba?
24:54.3
Si Harry,
24:55.1
si Harry na lang mag-ano,
24:56.8
tapos andunin.
24:57.4
Pwede, pwede.
24:58.1
You know, parang
24:59.1
oh, Stalinist style,
25:00.8
tapos ganyan.
25:01.1
Kaso, kaso, maglalaban sila
25:02.5
ni Kwan, ni Panelo.
25:03.7
They don't like each other, eh.
25:05.1
Ay, oo, yun lang.
25:06.1
Medyo,
25:06.9
abang,
25:07.6
kailangan natin
25:08.1
separate episode dyan.
25:09.8
Okay, guys, perfect ito.
25:10.9
I think enough of
25:11.9
Kibuloy for now.
25:12.8
Medyo tama na yan,
25:13.4
tama na yan.
25:14.8
Next episode,
25:15.8
pag-usapan naman natin
25:16.8
yung paboritong
25:17.6
presidente ni Ronald.
25:19.0
Si digong,
25:20.0
because,
25:20.6
because,
25:21.7
si Erwin Tulfo
25:22.7
was asked about
25:23.6
this supposed secret deal
25:25.5
between China
25:26.4
and digong
25:27.4
and medyo,
25:28.6
ay, wala akong alam dyan,
25:29.8
di ba?
25:30.1
Gumanan si Erwin Tulfo.
25:31.1
Pag-usapan natin yan,
25:32.1
what is this
25:32.7
secret deal between
25:34.2
China and Duterte
25:36.0
supposedly all about
25:37.1
and does this
25:38.0
constitute
25:39.0
letter T?
25:40.7
O, hindi yung T na
25:41.5
isa-isang T, ano?
25:42.4
Okay, pag-usapan natin yan, guys.
25:44.2
Thank you very much.
25:50.0
Thank you very much.