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Gano'ng katagal na ba itong pagkapalabas ng malicious information against you?

Itong particular case na ito, sabihin na nating December.

Pero yung paglalabas ng malicious information and material about me,

siguro magsasampung taon na.

Tuminding-tumindi ito noong panahon ni Duterte, 2016.

At kumbaga, lalo lang lumala na lumala.

But this one was December.

And nagreklamo kami.

Alam mo, meron silang pro forma na complaint.

Pag hindi ka sumasangayon at hindi mo nagustuhan

at palagay mong labag sa kanilang community standards

yung mga inilalabas na material, magre-reklamo ka.

Ang problema, hanggang doon na lang.

Tapos, ayun.

So, December yun.

Then, by March, million views na yung 1.6 or 1.5 million views na yung isang channel.

But after we filed, a couple of hours after, ayun, tinanggal na.

Na-take down na.

Parang sa akin, eh, kailangan pa ba kayong kasuhan para mag-take down?

Ano bang, di ba, pinaabot nyo ng million yung mga nanonood bago kayo kumilos?

Nakakalungkot naman.

How many of our kababayans can afford a lawyer?

To prepare a complaint, di ba?

Very few.

So, they end up suffering in silence.

So, we're also doing this for all those who feel na they have been taken advantage of,

that they have been violated and abused online.

We're also doing this for them.

Bilang isang human rights lawyer in the past,

at naging chairman ng Committee on Justice Human Rights,

I really don't...

I feel...

Yung libel should be decriminalized.

But, hefty penalties, civil damages, di ba?

A civil case for damages, di ba?

Moral damages among others, di ba?

So, but, yun na nga, eh.

Yun yung batas, eh.

Wala nang ibang batas tungkol sa online abuses kung hindi yung Cyber Crime Law of 2012.

Which I feel is also medyo antedated.

Medyo, ano na, outdated, rather, di ba?

So, yun.

I had my own thoughts.

I had my own reservations.

Pero, alam mo, pamilya ko na, eh.

Asawa ko na, si Sharon, mga anak ko, ang binangabastos at binababoy.

So, hindi na ito...

Hindi talaga tama.

And therefore, to protect my family, to protect my children, to protect my wife, di ba?

And to fight for others who feel they also have been taken advantage of,

and have been subjected to these abusive online platforms,

I'm filing it also for them.

Well, alam mo, matagal na kasi akong target, eh.

So, siguro, pera-pera na lang ito, no?

Nang mga, kung sino man ang may galit sa atin, o ayaw tayong bigyan ng puwang, no?

In fact, after the 2022 campaign, di tapos na yung election, di ba?

Hindi pa naman natapos yung...

Paninira sa amin, eh.

Di ba?

Tuloy-tuloy pa rin.

At paulit-ulit.

Kaya nakikita mo, scripted.

So, I think there really is a...

There really is a concentrated, orchestrated, calibrated effort na kaming mga may identified with the opposition.

Were you able to identify the person or the people behind that channel, specifically?

That's the trouble, no?

In this case, walang pangalan.

So, meron niyang digital footprint, but still, the dilemma there is, usually daw yan, eh, yung IP address is just an area, no?

So, not necessarily specific addresses.

But we have asked the NBI in the petition, in the complaint, to preserve, di ba, the links and the material and the videos.

And we've asked the DOJ likewise.

Yung kanilang cybercrime division to do the same.

And to compel YouTube and Google to cooperate in releasing relevant information with respect to itong account na ito.

I'm not optimistic.

I wasn't very optimistic given how they, you know, simply ignored yung aming mga kahilingan na i-take down ito bago tayo nagsampan ng kaso.

So, I hope, I hope.

Na magko-cooperate sila.

It's also for their own good.

Kasi, napaka-opake, eh.

Sabi nga, eh, walang transparency.

Ito nga, tinatanong mo sa akin, sino ba nasa likod yan, eh.

Hindi ko alam.

Tapos, ikaw mismo nagsabi sa akin, base dun sa nakita mo, na sila, Google ang nag-take down.

Initially, hindi ko rin alam kung sila ang nag-take down o tinake down nung may-ari.

Nung channel.

Kasi, hindi mo alam, eh.

Walang transparency, di ba?

Walang, walang, eh, pwedeng natanungan.

Pwede ka mag-complain, pero sasagot sila.

Ang sagot nila, pro forma rin, di ba?

Parang AI din ata, sumasagot sa atin, eh.

Ito yan, sir.

Pati sa Facebook, ganyan, eh.

Nagreklamo rin ako before, pero pro forma, eh.

Yeah, exactly.

So, malay ko ba na talagang puro maki na lang ang maharap sa atin at walang pakialam, di ba?

Pero from the perspective of policymaking,

tsaka legislation,

sabi nyo kanina, meron din kayong misgivings dyan sa, ano eh,

Cybercrime Prevention Act of 2012.

Ano ba yung pwede improvement sa nakikita nyo?

Especially going by your experience, no?

Kayo kasi mismo, tinarget, eh.

Well, I think,

you know, we had a

four committee hearings

ng constitutional amendments and revision of codes.

I was chairman of that in the last Congress.

On disinformation, the hearings were on disinformation.

And very broad and very,

how do you call it,

comprehensive yung ating naging hearings

because we invited Google, Amazon,

we invited Meta,

we invited TikTok.

Hindi pa nga ata TikTok,

hindi pa sikat ng TikTok noon, eh.

Because this was two years ago, no?

And then, nandun yung DOJ,

Maria Reza was there,

we invited the Makati Business Club.

So, very comprehensive siya, BIR.

And,

and maraming kaming recommendations doon.

One of which has become law,

yung registration ng SIM cards.

There were several other recommendations.

For example,

for the BIR to look into the

tax incidents.

Hindi nagbabayad ng tax

itong mga YouTube na ito na

Google, tsaka, ano, dahil

sinasabi nila, doon sila sa

ibang bansa nag-

tinatax.

Pero, ang

kinikita nila dito,

sa atin,

diba, yung mga ads.

We also invited the

advertising agencies.

Dahil lumalabas yung mga

ads doon sa mga

YouTube channel na kumikita

ng limpak-limpak na salapi

sa pagsisinungaling.

So, tinanong natin,

I think, this is also our

recommendation and

ang panawagan natin

sa ating business community.

Magnyong papayagan na yung mga

digital ad buy ninyo is funding

pumupunta dito sa mga

purveyors of disinformation

at kumikita pa sila.

In effect, you are enabling them.

Which, by the way, I forget to mention,

we are currently reviewing

this material. Meron pa kasing lumalabas eh.

At kung may mga ads

dyan, you know,

we are seriously considering

filing cases, civil

cases for moral

damages against these companies

that are putting their ads in

these YouTube

channels that are

you know,

committing criminal libel.

Diba?

Merong criminal act

because it's a crime

to commit libel in our jurisdiction

na pinupondohan

ng ads

nito mga kumpanya.

So, ang panawagan din natin

sa business community,

be more vigilant.

Make sure that your digital advice

do not go to enabling

disinformation. Kasi mamaya't maya,

babalikan din kayo yan. What will stop

your competitors, for example,

from using disinformation to

destroy your reputation and image

and your brand as a

you know, as a

company. If it can happen

to us, politicians,

it can happen to anyone.

And that's why we have to put our foot down.

And that's why we have to put our foot down.

Maraming maraming salamat po.