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Alam mo na parati sinanalo

It's just a question of whether 80%, 90%, 100%, 99%

So apparently, I thought yung mga pungipila dyan ay bumuboto

And of course, if you were to vote in Russian elections

Essentially, you're voting for Putin

Because it's not an election, it's a selection process

But it looks like that was actually a demonstration and protest

And interestingly, just outside the embassy

There was flags of Ukraine

There were all of these flowers

And all of these things na in dedication to the victims of

In dedication to the victims of Russia's invasion of Ukraine

So it was an intense, intense environment

And ang daming mga pulitse, mga German police

All over the place to make sure na walang gulo

So even if ang daming tao dumalaw

Very tense yung environment

This is Ukraine, Russia, among others

Walang gulo

Very peaceful

And all, which tells you

I mean, it's interesting

Even the protest culture dito ay relatively peaceful

And to consider Berlin is actually kind of a hip

You know, cosmopolitan city

Compared to, I don't know, Munich

Or other major cities dito sa Germany

Now, having said that, of course

I hope to get to know more about yung conversations between

President Marcos Jr. was here last week

And the German Chancellor and officials, let's say

Gumay mamaritas tayo maka dito

Because I want to know ano exactly

Ang naging exchanges pagdating sa issue ng ICC

I don't know about the Americans

As you remember dun sa interview natin with Atty. Carranza

Sabi na suspicious siya ng mga Americans

Actually also ayos sa ICC

Because last time we checked

Diba alam niyo naman Amerika

Ba't sila, hindi sila party sa ICC

At nung time na once ICC wanted to go after yung mga maling ginagawa ng mga Amerika

Diyan sa Afghanistan, sa Iraq at mga others

Sinansyon pa nila yung mga judges ng ICC

So, the US is not necessarily a paragon of international law

So, I wondered what about Germany

Because Germany is now the third largest economy

So, technically speaking

Among the Philippine friends and allies

It's the second largest economic power

Kasi number one is US

Number two is China

Number three is Germany

Number four is Japan

So, Germany is potentially the second largest friendly economic power to the Philippines

Anong mga leverage nila kay BBM?

Anong sinabi nila kay BBM?

And consider how issues of human rights are important to Germans

Because of their historical experiences

Because of their sense of historical responsibility

To never forget yung mga ginawa nilang mali

Nung panahon ng Second World War

Yung mga grabing holocaust

Grabing mga horrible things they did to the people of the United States

And the horrible things they did to the people of the United States

And the Jewish folks in Germany

So, I wondered what they were having

In terms of their conversation with BBM

Considering, if you look at BBM

I said all good things about his foreign policy

So far

Although, I also have my doubts about

I hope it doesn't tilt too much into the US orbit

Because, of course, ang Amerika naman talagang interest nila yung

Isprotektahan yung Taiwan

And I'm yet to see America giving the Philippines

Yung mga advanced weapon systems

Na kailangan ng Pilipinas

Puro mga medyo alanganin pa ako eh

Maram para mas maganda pa

Nakuha natin mga weapon systems sa India

Or South Korea, to be honest

Now, going back

And, my goodness

Trump could win soon

So, ibang gulo na naman yan

Although, alam ko maraming mga Trump fans sa Philippines

And mga Filipino-Americans

But, mahabang usapan yan

Now, going back here

Sa Germany

I wonder what was the conversation with Marcus Jr.

Behind the scenes

Because, of course, on the record

Everyone is very friendly

Everyone is very respectful, etc.

But, ang tanong is

Behind the scenes

What was the kind of conversation going on there?

Because, if Germany is a kind of a democratic system

Built on the principle of never again, right?

Anong sinabi nila sa isang Ferdinand Marcus Jr.

Na never, never

Forget about apologize

Forget about justice or restitution

He doesn't even acknowledge

Yung mga grabbing mga human rights violations

Not to mention

Total economic disaster

That happened during the Marcus dictatorship

So, I wonder what was going on behind the scenes

It's not like Germany needs the Philippines

They're a massive economy

They have a huge, huge trade and investment relations with our neighbors

Malaysia, a lot of

If you buy a German car in the Philippines

Most likely, it was assembled in Malaysia

They have huge business relations with Singapore

With Thailand

With Vietnam, obviously

Vietnam is huge

So, Philippines is not even top 5, I think, to them

Yeah, it's probably number 6 in ASEAN at best to them

And, that's just in ASEAN, right?

So, they don't need us that much

Obviously, German companies want to invest more in the Philippines

And, katulad ng pinag-usapan natin nung isang araw

If you look at it, actually

Lufthansa is looking at expanding its participation dun sa

Mega, mega

Hindi MAGA

Hindi MAGA Trump

Because, may just come out of it

Mega, mega

Airport

Na gagawin sa Pilipinas

Hopefully, in 5 to 10 years

Medyo maayos-ayos na infrastructure natin

With subway and everything coming on

So, but, yun nga eh

Dito sa Germany

It's unthinkable

Na they will do to their history

What Marcos is doing to the Philippine history

In fact, the Philippine history is even more recent

In the sense that

Yung maling ginawa ng Marcos dictatorship

Although, it was

Never as horrible as the

You know, the fascist regime that took over

Dito sa Europe

During the Second World War

Nevertheless, you know

The idea of not coming clean on the past

Not accepting it

But, this is crazy

This is unacceptable in Germany

Right?

As far as the ruling

As far as the regime is concerned

So, I wonder what was the conversation there

With Marcos

And, not to mention

Also, the ICC issue

On the record

Chancellor Scholz

Raised the ICC issue

And, you know

Made it very clear

As far as Germany is concerned

Human rights is very important

And, accountability is very important

But, yung sagot ni BBM was very

Non-sequitur

Very parang tangential

In the sense na parang

He just said

Well, you know

I also believe in human rights

In the sense that

Hindi ko itutuloy yung

Bara-bara war on drugs

Hindi ko

But, in terms of ICC

He still reiterated the same

Blah-blah position

Which is

Oh, you know

Walang jurisdiction ng ICC

You know

An argument that is

Legally speaking

For any real lawyer

Forget about lawyer

Anyone who has a basic understanding of

International law

Is a

Is a

Is a nonsensical argument

To be honest

Yung mga ano lang

Yung mga naga

Yung mga Duterte holdovers

Yung mga government people lang

Iba nang

May maintain ng sobrang questionable position na yan

But, anyway

So, let's see

Let's try to find out more about this

But, going back to

The Philippines

The Philippines

My goodness

Ang layo natin

I mean, we call ourselves a democracy

This country also calls itself a democracy

Parang layo-layo

Ng level of rule of law

Sa Pilipinas

Kumpara sa

Sa mga ibang mature advanced democracy

Including democracies which have

Which have very, very bad history

Right?

Katulad ng Alemania

Now, pag-usapan natin ito

Kasi

Anong-anong peche na?

Matatapos ng March

March 18 na po

Right?

March 18 na po

And, uh

Oof

And hanggang ngayon

Hanggang ngayon

Parang wala pa rin

Hindi pa rin na-reseta si Kibuloy

Right?

I wonder if he had a Kibuloy style kind of person

Dito sa

Sa Alemanin

What would happen to them

But, anyway

Sino to?

Bakit kasama si Salvatore Banalo?

Ano to?

Na-shock ako dyan

Okay, anyway

Ibang usapan yan

But, going back to this

Distract ako

Anyway

Um

Going back to this

Going back to this

Ito yung update na nakita natin

So, this is the news that came out actually 10 minutes ago

Just 10 minutes ago

And this is by Rizal Antiveros

Right?

Sabi ni Sen. Rizal Antiveros

Na kailangan na ito

Immediate issuance of arrest warrant against Kibuloy

Saying the latter's response to the Senate panel show cause order was nowhere near satisfactory

Right?

So, ito na

Sinisabi ni Rizal Antiveros na na

Satisfy na namin

Yung mga bla-bla-bla na show cause order

Pag-a-gana-gana

Even though

Everyone would say like

What?

Like, bakit kailangan pa yan?

Hindi na makailangan na

But, anyway

Having said that

Ito yung position ni Rizal Antiveros

We, including my legal team

Immediately read through and assess the documents carefully

Mindful of due process

For the accused

But, also with a view to ensuring that the Senate as an institution is protected from

Uh

Dialectories, tactics of parties

Uh

Isa pong naging maliwanag sa amin pag-review

His explanation is nowhere near satisfactory

They did

Nothing but rehash

Previous arguments they made for not attending our Senate hearings

So, ito yung in response to the Senate show cause order issue last week

Si Zubiri, diba?

Kibuloy's lawyer, Melanio Balayan

Urged that the contempt order be set aside

And denied the issuance of warrant of arrest against

Kibuloy recall

The subpoenas

And discussed the response unto show cause order at the Senate plenary

Which, again

Sila pa yung demanding

Na kailangan pa daling sa plenary

Talagang karen na karen

Ang dating ng mga ito, diba?

But Antivirus reiterated that the probe is conducted to fill the gaps in the law

Sayon sa kanya, again, we have never claimed to be the judge

Hindi pa hukom ang Senado

That's true

A Senate resolution has no effect and force of law

And can make no such legal determination of guilt

Or deprive anyone, including Kibuloy, of life, liberty, or property

As a result of its material vermin

Or findings

So, in short, ang sinasabi ni Riz Antivirus is that

Yes, we agree na eventually decisions on matter of guilt

And conviction

Uh

Accordingly, cannot come from the Senate

This has to come eventually from

Uh

The judiciary

Right?

Sa isang korte

So what she's doing here is she's trying to

Uh

She's trying to help find out

What is really going on here

What kind of abuses may have happened

But hindi pa hukom ang Senado

It doesn't have that final power

To convict anyone

But if hindi ka nagpakita sa Senado

And you ignore the Senate

Or nag-show ka ng contempt sa Senate

May

Mandato ang Senado

To come up with

A warrant for us

Uh

If you ignore this opina

Right?

So may power ng ganito

Even though it's not a judiciary

Likewise, Antivirus cited the 2000 case of Romero et al

Versus Estrada

And Senate Committee on Labor Employment

Kung saan yung

Korte Suprema

Ay nagsabi na

Despite the pendency of a criminal or administrative case

The Senate is allowed to conduct an inquiry in aid of legislation

So yun po yung precedence

Yun po yung legal precedence

Nang minimension ng Riz Antiveros

To argue that actually

Yung sinasabi nila Ayme Marcos

Yung mga sinasabi nila Robin Hood

Yung mga hanash nila na

Hindi pwede sa Senate yan

Dapat lang sa Korte yan

Yung mga ganyang hanash nila

Or sabi niya ano

Bakit?

Kaibigan natin yan

Hindi mo gagawin sa kaibigan

May mga ganyang type na Senado

Alam mo na mga sinemayan

Manakatingin sa ano

Sabi ni Riz Antiveros

Walang basihan yan

Because we clearly have a precedence

Whereby the Supreme Court itself made it clear

Na

Hindi dapat sagabal

Sa Senate conduct of an inquiry in aid of legislation

Even though pending yung isang criminal administrative case

Of course as we know

There's the SM&I angle

And as we know of course

There's also the DOJ angle here

As DOJ tries to of course go after the

The DOJ tries to go after the

Alam niyo na diba?

Siguro may coordination din sila sa FBI

And the United States also provided the kind of evidence

Necessary

Now this is not an endorsement of American foreign policy

Or anything like that

But if there were crimes really committed

In the United States

There is always an extradition treaty

Now considering all this

Once again I request for the Senate President

To issue an arrest order against Apollo Kiboloy

He must show up

He must respect the institution of the Senate

So Antiveros is now

You know

Cracking up

Cranking up

Sorry cracking up

Cracking up

The

Sorry na mahabang flight

She's cranking up pressure on Zubiri

Because as I said

Ang unsuspect ako eh si Zubiri

You know

Wala akong alam dyan

Hindi ako ano dyan

And

I'm thinking also Zubiri's waiting for BBM to

To you know

To consult with BBM

For BBM to be full in town

To make sure na hindi si Sarah Duterte

Ang officer in charge or acting president

Diba sa Malacanang

Just to make sure

Siguro yun yung hinintayin niya in terms of timing

Nakabalik na ba si BBM?

Or hindi ito pa rin sa Europe?

Anyway

So

Yun ang suspecha ko

Medyo pa safe yung iba dyan

But

But

Risa is saying like

Okay na

Nasatisfied na

Ba't yung show cause order lahat

We've gone through all of that

Ano na?

Ano na?

Sa mga kasamahan ko sa Senado

Huwag natin hayaan malitin niya

Ang ating

Iningatan institusyon

Kung hindi po tayo

Manindigan sa kanyang tahasang pambabastos sa Senado

Ewan ko na kung saan tayo pupulitin na to

Diba?

So yun yung point na

Diba?

Na grabe naman

Nahalan mo nga guys yung 17 conditions

At yung condition number 17 talagang

Binastos talaga

Binastos talaga yung mga

Tao dyan sa Senate

And then number 14

Yung mga naganap naman ng 5-star hotel

Tapos pakainin pa daw yung mga nga niya

Tapos complete contempt

Right?

Parang tinitroll talaga

Ang Senado

So ang point ni Rhizontivirus is that

Haayaan ba natin na gaganin na lang tayo?

Now of course I understand that

We are talking about a Senate that has

Just the types of Robin Hood Padilla at all there

But nevertheless

This is supposed to be the highest chamber

Of the nation

So sana naman medyo konting respeto diba?

Sana naman may konting respeto

So yun yung position ni Rhizontivirus na

Ano ba talaga?

Hindi tayo pwedeng ganun diba?

Nevertheless

Nevertheless

In a viber message sa reporters

Sabi ni Senate President Zubiri

He will review Kibuloy's response

And decide that there is one issue as soonest

Right?

So

So ito yun

Sabi ko nga sa inyo

Ito yung hanash

I mean this is exactly what I've been saying

Parang hindi ko na kailangan basahin yung sabihin nila

Alam ko na yung sasabihin nila

Diba ito

Sabi ni Zubiri

I just got back last night

From the President's trip to the Czech Republic

I shall review the reply of Pastor Kibuloy and Senator Riza

So we can give a decision

Soonest

Alright?

Maybe you know

The conversation

BPM is returning and all of that

Okay so

Ito yung sinasabi niya

Alright?

Ito yung sinasabi niya

Now

In the meantime

Diyan naman sa lower house

Si Congressman

Rog Gutierrez

Who filed a House Bill 9710

Seeking to revoke yung franchise ng SMNI

Said it would be better to let the Senate issue the IRS order against Kibuloy

So may mga tao dyan sa Congress nagsabi na

We have to ultimately defer to the Senate on this

Especially magbibigat yung mga kaso dyan sa

Magbibigat yung mga issues na pinag-uusapan dyan sa Senado

It's not only about SMNI

It's also about the personal conduct of the leadership

Of yung religious group

Religious group ni Kibuloy

So ang position ng

Ibang mga Congressman

Who are leading the whole SMNI franchise conversation is

Let's defer to the Senate

Sabi ni Gutierrez

Since we already submitted the committee report

The detention order will now come down

To the Secretary General of the Congress

It is a special circumstance

Because there is a pending detention order here

And there's another one in Senate

For a hearing that is actually continuing

If you take a look at us

We are done with the hearing

On franchise revocation

Meaning tapos na

Paparevoke na nila yung SMNI

Baka mas appropriate na yung detention orders with the Senate

So they're passing it

Parang everyone is

In one way or another passing it to Riza Ondiveros

So

Let's see

In the meantime naman

Ang Philippine National Police naman sabi nila

Na they're ready to assist the Senate

In terms of arresting Kibuloy

So in the press conference sa Camp Kramer kanina

Sinabi ng Philippine Police

Philippine National Police spokesperson

Si Colonel Jean Fajardo

Na the assistance that PNP can give

Is for security only as the Senate House

Have their own sergeant at arms offices

Para implementahan

Itong warrant of arrest

Once

Mukhang hindi lang if eh

Once it's issued

So ayon kay Fajardo

But in my coordination po

With the Directorate for Plans

Dahil nasa kanila po

Yung Legislative Action Committee po natin

They'll be the one to be notified

In case there's an official request

So in short

They'll act as supportive mechanisms

Dito if ever

Kasi may sariling kakayaan naman ng Senado

And Congreso

To push for the arrest

Nevertheless

I think more and more people are thinking na

Eto na

The arrest should happen na this week

Or at least the warrant of arrest should be issued this week

So all of these delaying tactics

All of the dragging the feet and all

I don't know

May think lang

Hindi lang tingin ko sa Pilipinas eh

I mean it's

What I find very sad sa ating bansa is

Everything is over politicized

In a sense that

Everything is about

Tends to be about posturing

There's a lot of partisanship

There's a lot of political consideration

There's a lot about

Ano mangyari sa aking opisina sa susunod na election

Sino bang anoyin ko

And I

And

Sometimes you wonder

When will come

Kailan darating yung panon kung saan

Talagang yung batas mismo

Diba

Like

Like

Misang kahit common sense ka

Hindi na debata ng tao

Diba

When will it come na

Pag

More or less

Claro

Self-evident

Na something wrong happened

You just follow what's there

Right

You just follow what's there

Hindi yung

You come with ten interpretations of the same law

You come with all of these delaying tactics

Or

You're waiting essentially for

I don't know

The big guy in Malacanang

To make the final decisions on matters like this

Kasi

Yun nga eh

Kung ordinary ng tao

Gumawa ng mali or something

Ang bilis

Ang bilis ng kamay ng batas

But once someone influential or big does something

Or is accused of doing something

Ang daming hanash

Ang daming pasikot-sikot

Ang daming mga drama

I mean

Ang tagal na ito guys

Ang tagal na ito

Diba

Ang tagal-tagal na ito

Ilan

Ilan

Ilang buwan na ito

Itong issue na ito

Diba

Again

I'm all for due process

I'm all for

Kaya nga sabi ko

Yung ginagawa ni Digong nung panon nila na

Drag war

Kagat may mga namatay

Dahil ng laban

Ganyan-ganyan

Obviously that was very suspicious

Due process is very important

And sometimes due process really takes a lot of time

I completely agree with that

But the problem in the film is that

You're wondering is it about the wills of justice

Or is it about

Political considerations affecting

The direction of the wills of justice?

Kung ano sa pangalat

Pagdating sa Philippines

Of course, we're not unique

You got a lot of developing third world countries

I don't know

You have all sorts of similar problems

But sana naman

If you want to call yourself a functioning democracy

We have to move forward

We have to move forward on this

And as I said

The case of Kiboloy cannot be separated from the ICC issue against the Dutertes

Although technically they're totally different cases

And technically speaking we're talking about totally different cases

Totally different potential enforcement mechanisms.

One is FBI.

One is an international court.

One is about abuses within the body.

Another one is crimes against humanity.

So although technically they're two completely different cases,

we know that politically they're very similar cases, right?

And one could lead to the other.

So if the person of interest on this issue of Senate can get away with it,

I'm very doubtful that on the ICC issue, there'll also be any kind of accountability.

And let's be honest, tignan natin, if you look at all of this,

if you look at the long history of, I mean,

look at the long history of ang daming investigations na ginawa dyan sa Senado.

Sobrang daming investigations na ginawa sa Senado.

Nalating mga fire.

Mali investigations, all of this blue ribbon committee, blah, blah, blah.

In the end, like, what happened?

Honestly, like, what happened with all of them?

Sometimes I have a fear.

And this is where Riza Antivirus could be very different.

And let's see if Riza Antivirus will get the kind of support that she needs.

Because so far, everyone else is either passing the buck or hugas kamay or delaying tactics or whatever.

But, I mean, how many times did hearings in the Senate or Congress and all

lead to conviction of someone who would eventually be found guilty of a crime

based on evidence and judicial proceedings whereby guilty is established beyond reasonable doubt,

beyond the shadow of doubt, right?

So, of course, nung panon ni Digong, ang daming mga hanash na ginawa nilang hearings,

yung si Harry, yung mga ganyan type people, ginawa nilang, you know,

nagsmear sila kay Sen. Laila Delima and all of that.

In the end, obvious na, well,

political na nalang, it was all just theatrics.

It was kangaroo court dynamics.

And that's why Laila Delima eventually was vindicated, right?

On so many levels.

But look at the other cases whereby mukhang talaga may maling ginawa.

Ang daming investigation, ang daming na booking.

And in the end, nothing happened.

Nag-drama lang iba, nag-faint yung iba.

Nalala niyo yung video nung ano, yung sa Nigeria ba yan?

Yung...

Yung...

Yung ano, in-investigate nila yung corruption case.

Tapos biglang, kunyari, nag-faint yung guy.

Napanood niyo ba yan?

Gusto kong tumawa ng...

Kasi pag makikita nyo, baka matatawa ako ng big time.

Pero...

Mababait yung mga tao dito, baka.

Nalala niyo guys, yung nag-faint siya.

Tapos, nag-panic yung mga...

Nag-panic yung...

Nag-panic yung mga...

Andun sa kongresa ba nila or something.

Tapos kinaka yung...

Tapos diba, of course,

ang concern is when you are having a seizure or something,

you have to make sure na

naka-erect yung ano.

Tapos pinasok pa nila yung kamay nila, fingers niya,

dun sa mouth niya,

just to make sure he doesn't bite his tongue or something.

And then, mukhang fake talaga yung ginawa niya.

Sabi, tinatanggal na yung mga kamay sa...

I mean, you should have watched that.

I mean, to be honest,

I'm not sure kung malaya tayo dun sa mga ganyan

fourth world dynamics, to be honest.

To be honest about this.

So,

nakakalungkot lang.

Nakakalungkot lang.

Kasi, saan tayo?

Saan tayo pupulitin?

Diba?

You know, at the rate things are going

dito sa Pilipinas.

And then, yun nga,

there's always political consideration

in every important case.

And there's always a lot of theatrics.

There's a lot of drama.

But at the end of the day,

ilan taong kilala natin na high-level politicians, etc.

who are really held accountable

for their misdeeds and all.

I mean,

look at South Korea,

which is not a very established democracy

in a sense that

it transitioned to democracy

almost at the same time as the Philippines,

1988 or 1986,

something like that, right?

Argentina in 1988.

But anyway,

late to mid-1980s then.

And look at how many of their presidents

were impeached,

imprisoned,

or more, right?

And just,

tikdam sa Pilipinas.

Not even a single high-level official

has been held accountable.

Even if,

we all know so many things have gone wrong

in the Philippines

on so many levels.

So may seryoso talagang problema.

And,

surprise, surprise,

we have another Marcus in Malacanang.

And we expect this person to be a purveyor of,

or I'm sorry,

to be this harbinger of justice and all.

Good luck nalang sa atin.

So on that note,

thank you very much, guys.

May meeting na kami.

Alam nyo na,

kailangan natin humabol dyan.

German time.

Everyone is very ganun dito.

So I have to stick there.

Pasensya na ako,

medyo late tayo na start sign.

Alam ko,

konti lang nag-join sa atin today

kasi late night start yung class natin.

But hopefully,

we can do it a little bit earlier next time.

Yun nga,

grabe talaga yung time zone dito.

Seven hours behind.

It's very, very difficult.

Mas gusto ko yung 12 hours behind

or three to four hours behind.

But this is very different.

But anyways,

thank you so much sa lahat mong nag-join sa atin.

Hopefully,

his Uberi will make the decision na by tomorrow.

If ayaw niya,

diwag.

And then it will be on him.

At least there's a clarity on this issue.

Alright?

On that note,

thank you very much.

God bless.

And talk to you soon.

Salamat po.

God bless.

Talk to you soon.