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00:00.0
Okay, ito ito ito guys. As we speak, nasa Prague yata. Bohemia si ating presidente, our very poetic, our very fashionable president. Of course, there's nothing better in this world than going to Prague, all of the beauty and everything like that out there.
00:19.4
Now, there were a couple of discussions between President Marco Jr. and European leaders. In particular, the one that stood out for me is in discussion between Chancellor Kanzler Scholz ng Germany and BBM over issue of ICC, for instance.
00:36.4
Looks like the Germans are pushing for the Philippines to comply with international humanitarian law to improve the conditions on the ground, but it looks like BBM is still, at least on the surface, still playing neutral on this matter.
00:48.1
The way Marcus tried to get out of this is to say, at least for the things, drug issues, he's developing a much more public policy, health public policy, rehabilitative approach.
00:59.3
What is your read on that, Ronald? Do you think that behind the scenes, I don't know about Americans, because obviously Americans have an interest in the Philippines military, but Germans, we know that Germans tend to be a little bit Germans, right?
01:08.8
Sometimes, if they really mean something, they're going to tell you. Hindi silang kapakyot, diba? They don't keep talk.
01:13.3
Do you think there was some probably a little bit tense conversation behind the scenes, Scholz saying to Marcus?
01:18.1
Hey, you want to do something about this ICC and Duterte issue? Otherwise, you're Marcus Jr. We don't want to be identified with you if you're not going to do something big.
01:27.4
Katulad nga ng mga pinag-uusapan natin sa mga previous episodes, hindi pwede mag-need-picking si BBM sa international law.
01:35.6
Nai-invoke mo international law sa West Philippine Sea, tapos hindi mo i-invoke dito sa usapin ng impunity na issue ng ICC naman dito sa Kedigong.
01:46.2
So, mahirap siyang maganun.
01:48.1
Mga Europeans, walang either-or, diba? Yun yung framework. Europe is a community of principles, diba?
01:56.6
Values-based community.
01:57.7
Hindi lang siya interest. Binabalansin nila usually yan, pero bottom line ay hindi nila iiwanan yung mga ganun klaseng framework katulad sa human rights.
02:07.2
Very strong sila dyan. You can say a lot about Europe, about the EU, pero yan yung isang minimum na hindi nila bibitawan.
02:15.9
Kaya, yun yung...
02:18.1
Yung tingin ko, kung gusto talaga ma-rehabilitate fully ni BBM yung Marcos brand sa international, especially sa Europe, ay kinakilangan niyang tindigan yan.
02:32.1
Pero, in a way, hindi naman binabago ni BBM yung kanyang posisyon. Kine-question niya yung jurisdiction. Ang ini-invoke kasi niya, hindi na tayo membro, na gray area.
02:41.9
Pero, yung kanyang sariling Supreme Court ay nagsabi unanimously na may jurisdiction.
02:49.8
Yung hindi niya pwedeng kontrahin.
02:51.7
Sa ICC nga, nagbutuhan eh.
02:56.2
Doon pa nga may kaunting nuancing.
02:57.9
Pero sa ating Supreme Court, malinaw na meron jurisdiction yung ICC
03:01.9
dahil yung kaso ay sinimulan bago tayo umalis.
03:08.8
Pero, hindi naman nagbago ng posisyon si BBM.
03:11.2
Hindi niya binawi yung kanyang posisyon na hindi makakapasok ang ICC.
03:14.5
Ang sinasabi lang niya, jurisdiction.
03:18.1
kung yung isa rin nang madalas mo i-guess dito sa show mo,
03:24.5
ay walang pagbabago.
03:26.6
Yung isang senador na paborito mo rin,
03:29.0
na mukhang laging kausap ng ICC,
03:32.6
si Senator Trillanes,
03:34.4
eh, sasabihin niya,
03:35.5
eh, wala. Walang pagbabago.
03:37.9
Yan ay public posturing.
03:40.0
Yan ay public posturing.
03:41.7
Pero yung pagpasok ng ICC para sa kanya,
03:45.5
Kaya, tingnan natin.
03:48.1
Kung ano yung mangyayari.
03:49.4
Tsaka, si Sara pa nasa Malacanang.
03:51.6
You don't wanna say something stupid.
03:53.0
You know what I'm saying?
03:54.0
Kung gusto mo pa umuwi,
03:58.5
You wanna go off safely, right?
03:59.5
Pero ang matalan niya,
04:00.2
pag lumabas yung international warrant,
04:02.2
eh, dyan talagang magkakasubukan.
04:04.7
Dyan talagang magkakasubukan.
04:06.0
Pero kung gusto talagang bumango,
04:08.0
natingin ko, yung pa rin ang gusto ni BBM.
04:10.0
Gusto niyang bumango sa international community,
04:16.3
baguhin niya yung kanyang narrative.
04:18.9
Richard, may tatanong lang din ako sayo,
04:24.3
May gusto natin ako tanong sayo.
04:26.6
Kasi, yung impression na napupunta sa akin,
04:29.0
it's looking more and more like,
04:32.5
is becoming a con-
04:33.7
parang a consequential na president na,
04:36.4
parang he's leading the ano eh,
04:38.3
dito sa against sa China.
04:39.7
Parang he's one of,
04:41.8
mga presidents na
04:43.4
brave enough to stand up.
04:44.8
O, rallying point.
04:49.3
yung view sa kanya nung international na mga,
04:52.8
yung mga leaders,
04:54.6
parang nagiging more consequential siya na,
04:57.3
na leader ngayon sa mundo?
05:00.3
The answer is yes,
05:01.3
but not because of BBM.
05:03.6
I remember very well in some major summit,
05:07.4
actually it was first,
05:08.4
the inaugural Australia-Ausian summit in 2018.
05:11.0
I was talking to some people and they said,
05:13.7
perfect sana ang Philippines eh.
05:16.3
Perfect partner sana ang Philippines.
05:17.8
Especially yung ginawa,
05:18.6
I'm not saying this
05:19.4
dahil andyan si Ronald,
05:20.9
dahil sa ginawa ni Aquino,
05:22.6
dahil kayo yung shining democracy in the region,
05:24.9
fastest growing economy,
05:26.4
perfect sana kayo.
05:27.4
Kasi sa lahat ng ASEAN countries,
05:30.2
yung pinakamalapit yung shared values and traditions natin.
05:33.2
Hindi ka makahanap ng ibang ASEAN countries na
05:35.1
may liberal democracy.
05:36.6
sabog tayo in many level,
05:38.5
yung familiarity.
05:40.5
pero si Digong eh,
05:42.3
nagrabe naman yung government nyo,
05:45.2
a lot of this is pent up.
05:47.7
Yung mga hindi nila magawa nung pano ni Digong,
05:50.7
ang ganda ng tanong mo ulit, Marga,
05:52.5
ginagawa nila ngayon.
05:53.4
But having said that,
05:54.4
I wanna be also fair to BBM.
05:56.1
It's not like he's not doing what he's supposed to do
05:58.5
on the foreign policy front.
06:01.0
swerte siya na Philippines is in a strategic sweet spot,
06:04.4
na meron tayong ganyan na mga traditional ties.
06:07.2
But the guy is also ticking all the boxes.
06:09.1
I wanna be fair to the guy.
06:10.8
ang concern ko lang is baka he will overdo this.
06:15.1
all the way guns blazing.
06:16.3
Because one of the things I appreciate with BBM is,
06:18.5
no offense Ronald,
06:19.3
compared sa boss mo,
06:20.2
I think medyo mas diplomatic si BBM
06:23.1
in terms of dealing with China issues.
06:24.5
I think your boss,
06:25.4
God bless his soul,
06:26.5
sometimes he went a little bit like,
06:28.7
Because if you wanna go that far,
06:30.3
Make sure you have this strong military
06:31.8
and backup of other countries.
06:33.4
I think BBM has a better backup from the US
06:36.0
and a far stronger military.
06:37.3
I mean, ikaw Ronald, anong basa mo?
06:39.1
That's a very good question.
06:40.0
So, I'm trying to be fair here.
06:41.5
I think not all credit should go to Marcos.
06:44.9
But he has to also get some credit
06:46.5
because he's ticking the boxes.
06:47.8
Yung speeches niya ang ganda.
06:49.0
Parang halos ako,
06:50.5
Kung ako nagsulat,
06:51.3
yun din ang sasabihin ko eh.
06:52.3
Or kung ako yung presidente,
06:53.7
I'll say exactly things.
06:54.7
Strategic agency,
06:56.4
yung mga terms na ganito na ginagamit namin
06:58.1
sa think tank world.
07:00.3
Well, definitely.
07:03.9
actually, yung ibig mo sabihin
07:05.2
ay sobrang baba nung bar
07:07.2
nung six years ni Digo.
07:09.5
You cannot go wrong.
07:11.2
Pero at the same time,
07:17.2
na hindi lang dahil
07:18.3
masyadong mababa yung bar.
07:20.1
Meron din naman siyang ginawa.
07:21.8
It's scale up siya, as you say.
07:23.8
Scale up din siya.
07:26.4
kinakabahan na yung mga ASEAN leaders
07:28.1
katulad ni Anwar,
07:30.5
katulad ni Lee Hsien Loong.
07:33.5
Bilabatak siya pabalik na
07:35.6
kinakabahan din sila na
07:37.9
baka maapektuhan yung region.
07:41.9
Kaya, tingin ko, yun yung...
07:44.5
Yes, sobrang baba nung bar
07:46.5
kaya tayo ay nasa isang sweet spot.
07:49.2
Pero may ginagawa rin si BBM
07:51.2
para mag-scale up.
07:53.2
Partly, nakita naman niya
07:55.5
Tingin ko mahalaga yung...
07:57.0
yung state visit niya sa China
07:59.0
nung January 6, 2023.
08:02.0
Nakita niya, niloloko siya ng China.
08:04.1
Nirehash lang yung mga commitments
08:07.2
Kaya, kung halimbawa
08:10.0
seryoso yung China nabubuhos,
08:11.7
baka mag-quant siya, mag-balancing siya.
08:13.7
Kaya nakita niya...
08:14.7
Diniduterte siya.
08:15.7
Diniduterte siya ng China.
08:17.2
Nakita niya, inuulol siya.
08:19.7
Grabe ang mga ulo.
08:21.2
Diniduterte lang siya.
08:23.2
Tapos, nakikita naman niya yung...
08:26.7
Dahil inuulol siya, wala namang papasok.
08:28.7
So, nilipat na siya sa ibang...
08:31.7
sa ibang pwedeng magpasok.
08:34.7
Kahit sa ngayon, karamihan dyan ay MOU.
08:37.7
Kahit sa ngayon, karamihan dyan ay mga LOI.
08:41.7
Mas doon siya pupunta.
08:43.7
Pagkakataon siya dito sa mga rehash
08:45.7
na pang-iinsulto sa tingin niya.
08:47.7
Hindi lamang sa kanya, kundi sa bansa.
08:49.7
But Ronald, in fairness naman,
08:50.7
I think yung kinuha niya, for instance,
08:52.7
Lufthansa agreed to do an additional hangar
08:55.7
dun sa Bago Natan Airport.
08:56.7
I mean, this is a $150 million project.
08:59.7
And Germany and Koreans are all involved.
09:01.7
I don't think bola lang yan.
09:03.7
I mean, we know that, Ronald.
09:04.7
Hindi sila tulad na ibang bansa na...
09:06.7
They really want business.
09:10.7
Saka nagandahan sila sa Clark.
09:12.7
They see a future.
09:15.7
Very good point, Ronald.
09:17.7
itong sinasabi ni Secretary Pascual
09:20.7
na may $14 billion na pumasok na,
09:22.7
eh yung mga kinausap ko
09:24.7
ng mga finance experts,
09:26.7
ang talong nila, bakit walang detalye?
09:28.7
Ang sabi kasi ni Pascual, nandito na eh.
09:31.7
Pag sinabi ni Pascual na nandito na yan,
09:33.7
hindi na yan MOU, hindi na yan...
09:36.7
feeling mo gusto mo yung trabaho ni Pascual
09:38.7
parang siya pinabully.
09:40.7
Hindi, ang gusto kong trabaho, di.
09:41.7
Ang gusto kong trabaho, DSWD.
09:43.7
Hindi ka magkakamalira.
09:46.7
Pagpakasuhan tayo dyan.
09:48.7
You cannot go wrong doon sa DSWD.
09:53.7
Yung sinasabi na walang pumasok na $14 billion.
09:56.7
Pero bakit walang detalye?
09:58.7
Sinabi na niya yan 2-3 weeks ago eh.
10:00.7
Hanggang ngayon walang detalye.
10:02.7
So eventually, baka mapasama sila
10:06.7
kung wala naman pala yung $14 billion.
10:08.7
Tapos in-announce siya na.
10:10.7
Baka ipahamak nila yung Presidente.
10:12.7
Paano yung Presidente?
10:13.7
Sinasabi na rin yan eh.
10:14.7
Na may $14 billion.
10:15.7
Pero yung mga kinausap kong financial experts,
10:18.7
duda sila dahil walang detalye.
10:20.7
Medyo Duterte ang style.
10:23.7
Gentleman agreement.
10:25.7
Gentleman's agreement.
10:27.7
Alam mo ba itong kuhaan?
10:28.7
Alam mo ba itong $4-5 billion daw sa Germany?
10:35.7
Karamihan dyan ay...
10:37.7
Halos lahat dyan MOU at LOI.
10:41.7
Kaya don't count your apples.
10:46.7
Saka Big R, maraming problema ang Germany ngayon.
10:49.7
Maraming silang problema.
10:51.7
Kailangan silang...
10:52.7
But they're desperate to invest abroad para kumita.
10:55.7
Yung Bosch Company.
10:56.7
Because Germany's economy is in recession also.
10:59.7
Of course, recession.
11:00.7
So nag-number 3, biglang Germany.
11:01.7
Last point, Mark.
11:03.7
I want to ask you.
11:04.7
Honestly, from someone who's not...
11:08.7
specializing in foreign policy,
11:10.7
but someone who's following very closely politics and all,
11:13.7
hindi ba parang weird na Marcos Jr. is being...
11:17.7
ginaganan-ganan na siya?
11:19.7
They're going gaga over him?
11:20.7
Hindi ba ganan ang dating sa'yo?
11:22.7
Or you think they're just being practical, reasonable,
11:24.7
but behind the scenes maybe they're having the tough conversation.
11:27.7
They're just being polite about this.
11:29.7
Anong basa mo dyan?
11:31.7
Sino yung mga international na mga leaders and international press?
11:34.7
Western countries.
11:35.7
I'm not talking about China.
11:36.7
Western countries?
11:37.7
Democratic countries, di ba?
11:38.7
Purong leftist pa.
11:40.7
Labor in Australia.
11:42.7
Social Democrat in Germany.
11:45.7
These are left center, left governments.
11:48.7
These are not Republican conservative governments.
11:52.7
That's what I find very...
11:54.7
Parang hindi din ako makapaniwala.
11:57.7
It's not what you would expect.
11:59.7
Coming from yung tatay niya, authoritarian leader,
12:03.7
na iisipin mo parang...
12:06.7
Parang baka North Korea o baka ganung style lang gawin.
12:12.7
He's becoming a...
12:14.7
Is it fair to say na unti-unti parang medyo nagiging international na...
12:20.7
New darling of things.
12:22.7
That's the better way to say it.
12:23.7
I know that's what you had in mind.
12:25.7
I was going to say star eh.
12:27.7
Pero star siguro masyadong...
12:33.7
It's a matter lang of him...
12:35.7
Turning that into actual investments, actual...
12:38.7
Pero yung sa mga trips niya, ito lang din yung sinasabi ko.
12:42.7
Kasi hindi ito masyadong pinag-uusapan sa online, sa mga vloggers and all.
12:46.7
Pero like sa Australia, like yung sa Vietnam.
12:50.7
Yung Vietnam yung nag-suporta sa atin out of all the ASEAN countries.
12:54.7
So it's not like yung pagkunta niya is...
12:59.7
It's building the foundations of something.
13:03.7
Building the foundation of yung magandang relationships with the countries like Vietnam, like Japan, like Australia.
13:11.7
Which is, yun dapat yung ginagawa naman kasi talaga.
13:14.7
Kasi hindi naman tayo pwedeng umasa lang like sa US lahat.
13:18.7
And definitely China, puro pangako lang yung ibaba to sa atin.
13:22.7
Kasi yun ang sinasabi sa...
13:24.7
Ito yung madalas nilang sinasabi.
13:26.7
Ito yung parang pinasok sa kanila ni Digong.
13:28.7
Na dapat neutral lang.
13:30.7
Dapat neutral lang.
13:31.7
Sabi ko hindi naman neutral yung kay Digong.
13:33.7
And sa panahon ngayon, di ba?
13:35.7
You cannot go full neutral kasi parehong sides may mga magagandang inaalok eh.
13:42.7
Pero siyempre, you have to form alliances din with other countries din.
13:46.7
Na parang pananggalang or pang-balance lang doon sa nagbabanggaang superpowers na yun.
13:53.7
So I think, pag nating sa online, hindi siya pinag-uusapan masyado.
13:57.7
And the general public, hindi din ganun naiintindihan pa yung internet.
14:01.7
Yung importance nung building good relationships like yung nga sa Vietnam and Australia.
14:07.7
That would be helpful pagdating sa defense natin in the future.
14:11.7
Like yung makukuha nating support ng military and yung mga gamit and yung technology.
14:17.7
So hindi pa siya masyadong na-appreciate talaga nung anong public ngayon.
14:21.7
At siguro the government should spend more effort explaining to the people yung importance...
14:27.7
They should get more vloggers like you to explain it.
14:30.7
Yun nga. Naka-apply na naman ako.
14:32.7
Tinukin ko yung DTI plans. DSWD pala gusto nung isa. Ikaw naman, Malacanang vlogger.
14:38.7
O parang si Secretary Guibo. That's a good chance for him to ano eh.
14:43.7
Kasi alam naman si Secretary Guibo, minsan tumatakbo din. Gusto din maging senador in the future.
14:49.7
Who knows? That's a great way for him to explain to people ano ba yung trabaho ko, bakit mahalaga yung trabaho ko,
14:56.7
how am I helping the Philippines in the future to become more independent na hindi tayo aasa sa kung ano mang superpower.
15:05.7
Diba? We could build better relationships with other growing economies like India, Australia, Japan, lahat ng mga yun.
15:15.7
Mark, you're saying...
15:16.7
Mukhang higher position ang gusto ni Guibo eh.
15:19.7
Medyo. Stepping stone pa rin.
15:22.7
That would definitely help.
15:25.7
Pilipinos, they like strong-willed individuals eh. So...
15:30.7
Pero Mark, I super agree with you. I super agree.
15:33.7
Kaya nga diba we had an episode the other week na parang how shocked we are na under-advertised ang itong administration na ito.
15:42.7
Considering maharlika-maharlika pa naman sila. You're absolutely right.
15:45.7
Maybe that's one thing that came out of the Duterte era which taught us something about the times.
15:52.7
Hindi ka pwede umasa sa mainstream.
15:55.7
And traditional media alone, as important as they are. But you have to actually reach out directly and nothing better than, of course, blogger extraordinaire, Mark Gamboa.
16:04.7
Thank you so much for joining us in this episode. Let's do like super mini episode lang, Ronald and Mark.
16:10.7
Pag-usapan natin itong Civil Society Convoy na yan. I think it's important. We have to discuss it very shortly. Maraming salamat, guys. Talk to you soon.
