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00:00.0
hindi mo pwedeng tanggalin
00:19.0
yung pagdududan mga tao
00:33.9
I need that person
00:35.0
here sa next hearing
00:39.1
pumunta ka ng butuan
00:40.9
tumaya ka ng 500 pesos
00:43.0
malaking chance mo
00:47.9
galing mo man yan
01:09.0
gusto ko ipatawag
01:15.9
the following names
01:26.9
sampo laman po ito
01:29.7
Y. Isa sa kanila. Halimbawa, noong July, 8 times nanalo ng P225,000.
01:46.2
August, 9 times nanalo ng P225,000.
01:52.8
September, 2 times nanalo ng P225,000.
01:56.7
Take to P225,000.
01:59.7
October, 1, 2, 3, 4, 4 times nanalo ng TIG, P225,000.
02:06.5
November, 9 times nanalo ng TIG, P225,000.
02:12.9
Or excuse me, impact, yung pinakalas, nanalo siya ng P450,000.
02:18.7
So, December, 4 times nanalo ng TIG, P225,000.
02:22.3
So, nandun yung uniformity na every month, tinatamaan niya yung TIG to TIG.
02:29.7
P225,000 na premyo.
02:35.0
Or August, take to P225,000 na month, 9 times.
02:39.0
So, this amounted to 9.8.3 million.
02:44.1
Actually, 9 million po.
02:46.8
9 point something million.
02:50.2
So, ano po yung probability na one person will hit?
02:58.4
Many, many times.
02:59.7
In the period of 6 months with the same amount.
03:04.2
So, ano yan po yung sinasabi kong lotto agent na pinakikiusapan ng mga kanyang betors.
03:10.3
And definitely when he goes to the branch, kasi 10,000 and below, kaya pa po yan ng outlet.
03:16.6
10,000 and above, up to 300,000 pesos, he has to go to the branch.
03:22.6
E pag kayo pa, ang branch po normally, nasa Capitolio yan eh.
03:27.1
So, kung nasa malalayo kang lugar.
03:29.7
Ang logical po and practical ways to talk to your, most likely, suruki mo na, paki naman, paki sabay na ito.
03:37.2
In fact, we invited that yung sinasabi niya hong tao for today.
03:41.3
At sabi niya, hindi siya makakapunta.
03:43.2
Nagpadala na lang po siya ng video.
03:44.8
If you care to listen to her video, para po po natin, meron po kaming video ng ano niya.
03:50.2
And also, I would like to...
03:51.5
And then, with that, if I may add, kaya nandito yung BIR.
03:54.9
Bakit ang TIN number niya ay 0000?
03:59.7
Six months na siya nanalo, several times, multiple times, at 225,000 each time na siya manalo, na umabot na ng 9 point something million.
04:11.9
And 0000 pa rin ang TIN number niya.
04:14.9
Mamaya, yung BIR will explain to us how did it happen.
04:19.6
Comsec, gusto ko yung mga pangalan na binanggit ko.
04:24.0
I want them to be here sa next hearing and to explain to us kung talagang agent sila.
04:29.7
And then, kung agent sila, then bakit, kung sila ay nagkiklaim on behalf of some people, o suki nila, whatever, then why are not they paying taxes?
04:39.8
Kasi dapat yan, nakalagay ang TIN number nila rito.
04:43.6
Tama ba ako, BIR?
04:46.4
Nakalagay po dapat yung TIN nila.
04:48.6
Pag 0000, ibig sabihin po, hindi po sila naglagay ng TIN nila.
04:52.4
So, binawasan sila ng tax ng PCSO, saan nilalimit yung tax na ibinawas?
04:57.9
Kasi PCSO subludged.
04:59.7
Siba, na magbawas ng tax, alimbawa na lang, okay, habang nag-usap sila, hindi naman lahat may TIN number.
05:08.2
Anong proseso, BIR?
05:09.1
Kung nari ako, ordinary mamayan, o ordinary mamayan naman talaga nananalo karamihan sa PCSO, at nananalo ako, say, P225,000.
05:20.5
Pupunta ko sa PCSO na wala akong TIN.
05:23.2
Anong dapat proseso ng PCSO para makapagbayad ng tax ako nananalo ng P225,000?
05:28.6
Dapat po, pag-register po muna siya.
05:31.7
Kasi po, magbabayad po siya ng tax, mag-withhold po si PCSO.
05:37.3
Dapat po, make sure nila, na-registrado po muna yung individual.
05:41.2
So, paano kung wala akong tax pagpuntok sa PCSO?
05:44.2
So, paano kung wala akong TIN pagdating ko sa PCSO at may hawak-hawak ko ng winning ticket worth P225,000?
05:50.2
What is the procedure for BIR?
05:52.3
Well, sa amin po, since mag-withhold siya, mag-file po siya ng form,
05:57.5
kailangan may TIN po.
05:58.6
Kung wala po, i-require po muna si taxpayer o yung nananalo si trainer po na mag-register po kung wala akong TIN.
06:05.7
Pero diba, there's such a thing na magbibigyan siya ng temporary TIN number?
06:10.0
Wala, wala pong...
06:11.1
Kasi kung maghihintay pa ng several days before magbibigyan siya ng TIN,
06:15.3
sa kanya makiklaim yung kanyang price,
06:17.8
eh, dito papasok itong magkakaroon ng maraming tinatawag na fixer or rediscounter.
06:26.2
Ang TIN naman po, Mr. Chair,
06:28.6
one day lang po, mabilis lang po.
06:31.4
Punta lang po sa district office, pila lang po.
06:34.4
Tapos, depende po sa traffic po ng tao.
06:38.1
Pero, for example, sa Metro Manila po, within 20 minutes,
06:41.7
nakakuha na po agad ng TIN yung individual po.
06:47.8
mamaya sa PCSO ang tanong ko.
06:49.9
Pero, wala ba kayong tao sa PCSO na naka-standby doon para sa mga winners?
06:58.6
Turuan sila, i-guide sila, i-process yung kanilang TIN doon sa mga walang TIN.
07:05.1
Nang sa gayon, hindi na pupunta sa mga tinatawag ni Mr. Robles sa mga agents
07:10.7
at para ibigay yung kanilang winning ticket.
07:15.3
Ah, wala po, Mr. Chair.
07:17.3
Pero, meron na po kaming ano ngayon eh, online.
07:19.4
Na madali na lang po mag-register po.
07:24.4
Pero, hindi tama itong nangyayari dito na
07:27.9
lahat ng mga multiple winners,
07:29.8
zero-zero ang TIN.
07:30.9
So, may discrepancy rito, may problema rito.
07:33.3
As you can see it, Mr. Tibaya?
07:34.8
Mr. Chair, yes po.
07:36.4
Although may sinample test po kami,
07:39.0
yung mga ibang zero-zero po,
07:40.9
may TIN po sila nung
07:43.3
pinerify po namin sa system.
07:46.3
Pero, merong iba na, wala?
07:54.1
Your Honor, if I may,
07:55.7
Atty. Pachagi Sir,
07:57.9
GM for the Finance.
08:02.5
Good morning, Mr. Chair.
08:11.2
alleged absence of the TIN,
08:14.9
Your Honor, we have
08:17.4
supplied by the winners.
08:19.6
And that's part of the certificate
08:21.8
of creditable tax withhold
08:23.3
at source submitted to the BIR.
08:30.8
I have a copy here.
08:33.0
Atty. Pachagi Sir.
08:34.3
Atty. Larry Pachagi.
08:40.4
And then pakilagay dito para makita kang pangalan
08:42.4
para they will be identified properly.
08:47.3
Siya po ay si Atty.
08:48.9
Atty. Lauro Pachagi.
08:52.1
Okay. Ano po yung inyong position sa PCSO?
08:54.1
I'm the AGM for the Management Services Sector.
08:57.0
Very good. Thank you.
08:57.9
Sir, thank you, Sir.
08:59.1
Sir, sa lista na meron kami,
09:09.2
of bettors with TIN numbers,
09:18.0
Ano po nangyari doon sa difference?
09:22.0
ay nakapagbayad ng tax?
09:25.6
Tukuloy ko po. August
09:32.1
248 lamang ang may TIN.
09:39.6
225 lamang ang may TIN.
09:43.0
it goes on and on and on.
09:45.6
ano nangyari doon sa mga walang TIN?
09:48.5
Were they given TIN numbers?
09:50.2
And were they able to pay taxes sa BIR?
09:57.0
I'm referring to the particular winner mentioned
10:05.4
as regards the winnings.
10:08.5
Mamaya na po yung winner, mamaya.
10:09.6
Kasi sinasabi nyo,
10:12.4
may mga TIN numbers.
10:15.9
Siguro hindi nilagay ng PCSO dito
10:17.7
kasi kung nilagay ng PCSO yung TIN number,
10:20.0
sinang-respetohin naman yun.
10:21.0
Of course, we're not going to mention it
10:22.2
kasi we know that that's confidential.
10:25.1
Pero since wala, nilagay siro-siro,
10:27.0
kaya nagtatakak kami.
10:29.4
O kung talaga may TIN numbers yun,
10:31.4
yung mga multiple winners,
10:33.4
nilagay nyo sana para
10:34.6
hindi na kami magduda.
10:37.0
Siyempre, we will never show it to you
10:39.1
yung TIN number niya
10:41.0
o nila, yung mga multiple winners.
10:43.8
sige po, sino gusto mag-answer?
10:45.9
We have the division chief,
10:47.6
that processes the winning claims
10:50.8
of our lotto winners.
10:55.2
Ms. Anong pangalan?
10:57.0
Ma'am, anong pangalan niyo po, ma'am?
11:00.2
State your name and position.
11:03.5
Ma'am, pwede pa tanggal na
11:04.4
para mag-indignan tayo.
11:05.2
Lahat naman tayo rito, vaccinated na ano.
11:08.8
division chief ng price fund
11:10.3
ng accounting department.
11:13.9
Okay, puwento sa amin yung proseso.
11:16.1
Halimbawa, ako si Juan de la Cruz.
11:18.8
May hawak-hawak ako na
11:19.8
225,000 winning ticket.
11:23.4
Ano yung proseso?
11:25.0
From start to finish,
11:27.0
Bali, sir, pag may claimant po
11:29.2
na pumunta doon sa office namin,
11:31.1
kinocompare lang po namin yung ticket.
11:33.3
No, no, yung proseso, ma'am.
11:34.7
Yung pagpasok siya ng gate ng PCSO,
11:37.2
saan siya pupunta?
11:38.3
Bali, sa guard po, para po mag-firma ng
11:40.8
ay mag-fill up po ng form
11:43.6
Sa guard pa lang?
11:44.2
Opo, claimant's form.
11:45.7
Saan guard? Yung sa gate?
11:47.1
Doon po sa may second floor na po.
11:49.8
Opo, sa division po namin.
11:51.5
Pero pagpasok sa gate, sabihin niya
11:53.2
pupunta ko sa PCSO
11:54.6
kasi meron ako winning ticket.
11:57.0
So, after sa gate,
11:59.1
sabihin sa kanya, sige,
12:00.4
lahat ng mga panananalo,
12:01.5
put the second floor.
12:03.0
So, Juan de la Cruz will go to the second floor.
12:05.7
And then, pag sa second floor,
12:07.3
Bali, mag-fill up po siya ng form
12:09.0
sa claimant's form.
12:11.0
Then, after po noon,
12:12.0
ibibigay po ng...
12:13.3
ibibigay ng guard doon sa
12:15.6
doon sa staff po namin
12:18.3
para i-validate po yung ticket.
12:20.2
So, pag once na may ticket po,
12:21.8
ang kinocompare po namin
12:23.0
is yung two valid IDs
12:24.5
plus yung ticket po na dala niya.
12:27.0
So, ang ano po namin doon
12:29.5
is kinocompare namin
12:30.7
yung signature ng claimant
12:33.2
plus yung ID na dala niya
12:35.2
para pumalaman namin
12:36.6
na siya po talaga
12:37.7
yung may-ari ng claimant.
12:38.8
So, what happens kung wala siya pong ID?
12:43.0
Sir, pinapaprovide po namin siya
12:46.0
Hindi kaya, ma'am.
12:46.6
Hindi naman po lahat ng tao may ID.
12:48.2
So, paano kung pumunta siya,
12:49.7
sabihin niya, wala akong ID,
12:51.1
mahirap lang ako.
12:52.4
Required po talaga, sir.
12:53.7
So, kailangan po talaga siya
12:54.8
mag-produce ng two valid IDs.
12:57.6
So, wala natin problema dyan.
13:00.7
kailangan meron kang two valid IDs,
13:02.5
government IDs to, ano po.
13:04.4
And then, ipipresent mo yun sa PCS
13:06.2
o pagbabanggay ng PCS
13:08.6
doon sa nakapirma sa ticket.
13:11.4
Kung siya talaga yun.
13:14.5
once na-verify po yun.
13:15.7
Pag once na-verify na po namin,
13:17.4
i-validate na po namin yung ticket,
13:19.8
may lalabas po doon sa machine namin
13:21.9
na pay ticket siya.
13:24.9
na-validate na po namin,
13:26.6
ipoprocess na po namin yung voucher.
13:28.9
Regarding po doon sa TIN,
13:30.4
may mga ibang claimants po kasi
13:32.1
na wala po talaga silang TIN.
13:35.3
So, yun po yung ginagamit namin, sir.
13:38.2
Or may mga agents,
13:40.5
Stop right there.
13:41.9
So, meron po mga winners,
13:44.2
kumpeto sila sa ID,
13:46.9
verified nyo yung signature nila doon
13:48.6
sa winning ticket na sila yun,
13:50.4
and then, nung ipoprocess nyo na,
13:52.4
bago sila mabigyan ng voucher,
13:54.7
eh, wala siyang TIN.
13:57.9
lalagay nyo siya ng 000 TIN.
14:02.7
paano nyo po may remit
14:03.8
yung winnings niya,
14:06.5
yung panalo niya,
14:08.3
yung tax sa pagpanalo niya,
14:11.9
you have a 00T number?
14:15.0
yung nasa alpha list po namin,
14:16.3
yun po yung mga nakalagay na 00,
14:18.2
plus yung name po ng claimant.
14:22.7
are you listening?
14:25.1
ng winning ticket
14:27.6
since walang TIN number,
14:29.3
nalagay nila ng 000.
14:30.9
Babawasan nyo yun.
14:32.2
Magkano ibabawas nyo?
14:34.5
How much is 20% of 225?
14:48.0
Yun yung binawas nyo doon sa 225,000.
14:50.7
That's supposed to be po sa BIR.
14:53.2
paano ibabanggat ng BIR yung
15:11.8
Kami naman, Mr. Chair,
15:12.8
since it's already a final tax,
15:14.9
kumbaga nabayad na yung
15:16.3
total amount of tax,
15:18.0
wala nang kikredit po.
15:19.5
Kasi hindi po siya creditable eh
15:21.5
na ibabangga namin sa
15:23.1
income pa ni taxpayer.
15:25.9
yun po siya creditable.
15:26.6
total tax po na...
15:28.7
Kaya nga po siya,
15:32.9
binawas nila doon sa
15:36.9
na binigyan nila ng 00TIN,
15:40.0
magre-remit kayo sa BIR?
15:44.0
paano may identify ng BIR
15:46.0
nanalo ng 00T number?
15:57.4
how can that happen?
16:09.0
hindi namin exactly
16:12.6
lalo na kung may multiple
16:16.4
na makakapangalan po.
16:18.6
Kasi ang pinaka-identifier po talaga namin
16:21.0
is yung TIN ng individual.
16:22.6
So, ano kagawin niyo po
16:26.2
pinawasan ng voice
16:31.0
at isinabit sa inyo
16:32.8
pangalan with 00T?
16:34.3
Ano pong ginagawa nyo?
16:35.5
Nangyari na ho ba yan
16:36.4
sa iyong experience?
16:37.4
Does that happen?
16:40.8
It never happened?
16:43.7
And kung nangyayari po yun,
16:45.4
ano yung ginagawa nyo doon
16:46.5
kay Juan de la Cruz
16:49.8
nagbayad ng mga taxes?
16:53.4
What do you do with them?
16:55.7
kung totoo yung sinasabi nila?
17:02.6
So, masagutin mo,
17:03.3
nangyayari ba yun?
17:04.5
Yung sinasabi niya,
17:05.2
consistent ba yun
17:07.6
based sa records po,
17:08.6
marami po talagang
17:09.2
000 nangyayari po.
17:10.9
Sinasabmit sa inyo
17:13.0
Meaning blank po yung TIN
17:14.2
na sinasabmit po sa amin.
17:15.4
So, what do you do
17:16.0
with those winners
17:19.7
So, paano yung ibabangga yun
17:25.7
Ang TIN naman yung
17:26.3
pinaka-identification,
17:28.3
tax identification
17:31.0
So, ano mangyayari
17:35.1
So, saan na pupunta yung pera
17:37.4
nagbabayad ng tax
17:44.5
nababayaran naman po
17:46.4
pero kanin yung po
17:47.8
wala naman TIN number.
18:11.4
May mga instances,
18:13.8
kung meron talagang TIN.
18:15.9
napansin po namin,
18:17.8
sinasamit si PCSO
18:19.9
nung dinobol check po namin,
18:21.0
may TIN naman pala
18:36.2
Ano pong ginagawa nyo?
18:39.0
ma-identify talaga
18:41.2
kasi wala po talaga
18:42.8
So, ano ginagawa nyo po
18:43.7
dun sa perang yun?
18:46.2
na-remit sa amin po,
18:48.0
counted pa rin po
18:51.1
and may tax pa rin po
18:52.2
dapat bayaran dun sa
18:56.8
Counted as collection?
19:00.8
sa kaban ng bayan?
19:01.7
Yes po, Mr. Chair.
19:05.5
tulang sinasabi ko
19:12.2
base po sa record
19:18.7
hindi po tumutugma
19:21.1
ang may TIN numbers.
19:35.1
for those who are
19:36.1
taxpayer po talaga,
19:40.0
for the taxpayer.
19:41.1
Meron po kasi talaga
19:42.6
na hindi naman talaga sila yung
19:49.0
tinatawag na TIN.
19:50.0
And in that case,
19:50.8
they will not be able to claim
19:54.9
creditable for other
19:56.0
for filing of their
19:57.4
income tax return.
19:59.0
Kaya po itong katulad po
20:00.0
na isang winner natin
20:09.6
the income tax return.
20:11.6
Kinoconsolidate po
20:13.3
ng isang taxpayer
20:15.8
can be considered
20:16.4
as part of his income
20:22.0
Ms. Felian Ramos,
20:23.8
Why don't we do this
20:26.4
para hindi mo magkalituan?
20:28.0
Lahat po na mga nanalo,
20:29.7
pag nagsubmit kayo
20:36.3
emitting number na.
20:38.2
less than a day lang daw.
20:43.3
huwag kayo magsubmit
20:47.5
magkakaroon ng pagdududa
20:52.0
tanggalin yung pagdududa
21:02.7
kasi katulad nito.
21:08.3
Sobrang swerte niya.
21:11.7
Isang tao lang to.
21:18.0
yung sinasabi nyo,
21:19.9
this is a claimant.
21:26.7
Inaamin nyo na po sa akin.
21:29.0
Hindi, gusto ko pag-aamin.
21:30.7
This is a claimant.
21:32.9
ang definition nyo,
21:33.8
not necessarily the winner.
21:35.4
Ako na po nag-feeling na blank
21:36.5
kasi ayaw nyo pong
21:37.4
ayaw nyo direts to akin.
21:40.9
On behalf of the winners,
21:45.1
alam na ng mga winners
21:46.0
na siguro may karatula
21:48.9
Kapag kayo nanalo
21:51.4
dito kayo pumunta sa akin
21:57.0
O baka may website dyan sa
21:58.2
tinin nyo sa internet
22:06.4
Senator Coco Pimentel,
22:12.6
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
22:16.3
Hahabol lang ako sa topic,
22:18.3
pero this is a very interesting topic
22:27.1
So, we have to pursue
22:28.1
this subject matter.
22:38.8
ang dami niyang panalo.
22:41.3
So, kung susundin po,
22:44.2
yung sinasabi ng PCSO dito,
22:51.2
whether in pixel,
22:54.1
nandito yung amlak,
22:54.7
may amlak tayo rito, ano?
22:56.9
Or pwede rin ito ay
22:58.2
taong nagmamoney launder.
23:15.0
Ma'am Pellian Ramos,
23:17.7
meron kayong kwarto muna
23:19.4
nilalagay nyo muna
23:20.2
yung mga winners doon?
23:30.8
Ms. Pellian Ramos?
23:33.6
raise your right hand
23:34.3
and repeat after me?
23:38.1
Pellian Asela D. Ramos,
23:43.6
and nothing but truth
23:44.3
in this committee.
23:45.4
In this committee.
23:46.2
In this committee.
23:49.9
Ms. Pellian Ramos.
23:57.7
yung sinasabi ka nila
24:01.6
for the sake of argument,
24:03.3
agent nga siguro yun?
24:10.8
parang sa LTO ba?
24:13.3
Hoy, may panalo ka dyan.
24:16.0
matatagal lang ka rito,
24:17.4
mag-antay ka ng siyam-siyam,
24:19.3
mabayaran ko na lang yan.
24:24.8
No, pa-cancel lang.
24:25.8
Is that a possibility?
24:28.7
Lagyan mo yung mikrofon.
24:29.7
Sa part po ng PCSO?
24:31.2
No, basta sabihin mo,
24:32.0
is that a possibility
24:36.6
what Mr. Robles said
24:43.2
hindi siya mismo yung winner
24:44.2
o hindi siya mismo
24:45.4
ang bumili ng ticket
24:46.6
para maging specific tayo.
24:54.6
At same price ah.
24:56.3
Mind you, same price.
24:58.2
kung magkaiba-iba.
24:59.5
So, dapat ang tawag ko rito si
25:05.6
ang middle name niya.
25:08.0
Ano bang game pala itong
25:15.3
So, na-hit niya palagi yung
25:19.8
Well, as far as that's
25:20.9
So, ibig sabihin,
25:22.1
siya ay pang 3D lamang
25:26.5
Pag may mga naman ng 4D dyan,
25:28.4
walang pakialam sa iyo,
25:29.2
baka ibang nakasign dyan.
25:31.0
for that particular
25:42.4
So, is this person,
25:44.1
is from Mindanao?
25:46.0
If you are referring
25:48.5
you have mentioned
25:55.9
Siyempre, nagbigay ko ng mapahalam
25:57.2
pero ni-rumble-rumble ko.
26:00.3
You know what I'm talking about.
26:01.2
Do you know who I'm talking about, right?
26:03.7
na nasa screen ngayon
26:05.0
na multiple winners
26:08.8
except, of course,
26:11.3
day noong November,
26:13.6
I don't know what
26:14.1
what day was that.
26:15.6
Nine times siya tumama.
26:18.4
Ano itong 450,000,
26:23.3
Pinanalo na niya?
26:39.2
hawak-hawak niya dalawang ticket.
26:41.5
Naisahan ko naman kayo.
26:43.1
pinanaloan dalawang
26:47.4
So, ibig sabihin,
26:52.1
one particular bola,
26:53.3
ilan lang magpwede
26:59.8
Yeah, multiple winners.
27:00.9
Pwede sa isang game.
27:04.3
So, itong taong ito,
27:05.5
noong last part ng November,
27:08.2
na dalawang ticket.
27:15.6
dun sa question ko,
27:38.8
So, alam na, alam niya na
27:40.0
mananalo siya ng P225
27:41.2
para mag-invest siya ng
28:01.6
So, parang alam na,
28:03.8
Kaya siya nag-invest
28:16.0
August, nine times.
28:18.2
September, siya pa rin.
28:24.0
Mamaya, pakitan sa A.
28:26.1
Meron si A, si B,
28:30.4
Puro multiple winners to ha.
28:31.7
Mamaya, pakitan sa screen.
28:42.8
multiple winners.
28:44.9
May we request that
28:46.9
All these people,
28:49.5
All these people,
28:56.4
So, parang alam na nila,
28:57.4
tataya tayo ng P500 pesos.
29:01.1
P500 para P125 tayo.
29:02.8
O, tulad nitong si A.
29:07.3
ang pinanalo niya
29:14.1
August, two times.
29:16.7
October, two times.
29:17.8
November, two times.
29:18.8
December, two times.
29:25.9
may we request the branch manager
29:27.1
of the concerned branch
29:29.8
claims of this particular person.
29:38.3
Del Norte branch office,
29:44.7
anong game po ito?
29:46.4
Mr. Senator Coco.
29:48.4
kanina na-establish natin
29:49.7
na 3D lotong lilaro.
29:52.6
na naka-flash the screen.
29:54.3
Ano naman ang laro nito?
29:58.7
For that person A,
30:07.8
That's why the winning ticket
30:11.7
and 100,000 pesos
30:15.8
So, hindi jackpot yan
30:18.6
It's not a jackpot.
30:19.5
It's not a jackpot.
30:23.2
I think that person A
30:25.2
got maybe 3 to 4 numbers.
30:40.4
but the lesser prices.
30:48.6
siyempre yung mga
30:49.6
ito bang agent na ito,
30:51.5
announced ba yan?
30:53.5
na nagbibet sa loto
30:56.1
taga-collecta para sa atin?
30:58.2
Uy, wala yata ako na
30:59.7
ay encounter na gano'n, ha?
31:02.2
Saka pagkatapos ay
31:05.8
siya ang willing na
31:07.3
siya ang declared
31:10.1
and then the taxes
31:14.1
So, it's the team
31:16.2
He's the recorded taxpayer.
31:18.3
Yes, that's correct.
31:27.9
Ah, that we do not know
31:28.9
already, Your Honor,
31:30.4
that's the practice,
31:32.7
because actual winners
31:35.3
to go to the branch office
31:38.3
sa head office natin.
31:40.3
So, the practice really
31:41.3
is for the winners
31:42.3
to approach their
31:43.6
suki na loto agent
31:45.5
and the loto agent
31:47.7
for fear of course
31:51.5
So, yung kanina nating
31:55.7
Yes, that's correct.
31:58.2
he or she a loto agent?
32:01.3
loto teller po ito
32:11.1
Dependent kasi ako
32:22.2
na they don't have to
32:23.9
para i-claim yung kanilang
32:25.4
ticket na more than
32:28.1
tinatawag na branch office
32:30.8
at bawat probinsya.
32:31.8
But the reality is that
32:33.3
meron po tayong mga
32:38.5
for practical reason,
32:39.7
ang loto agents po
32:41.5
weekly nagpupunta
32:44.5
their weekly report.
32:46.6
What I'm saying is
32:52.5
At yung mga siyudad.
32:55.2
So, pwedeng pumunta
32:56.0
doon yung mga nanalo?
32:57.4
Yes, that's correct.
32:58.2
So, what you're saying
32:59.3
to us here now is
33:03.8
sa mga tinatawag na
33:06.3
practical reason,
33:10.5
may mga instances
33:12.0
na nakikiclaim sila,
33:13.7
nagpapadala po sila
33:14.6
ng winning ticket
33:15.3
because they trusted
33:19.8
So, ibig sabihin,
33:26.2
itong agent na ito
33:27.5
magpagkakatiwalaan.
33:30.8
ang pangalan niya,
33:33.9
sa probinsya nila
33:38.2
na magpagkakatiwala.
33:42.0
na ang magpuprocess
33:51.5
Pero in some cases,
33:53.0
walang tinumber eh.
34:01.4
the single winner
34:04.7
Hindi ito yung mga
34:05.5
typical na agents
34:10.1
na tingnan nyo na po,
34:11.1
na ibigay na naman
34:15.9
meron ho ba silang
34:16.7
lahat na tinumber?
34:26.0
May mga tinumbers
34:28.0
May tinumbers ba sila?
34:38.6
Pero pwede po namin
34:40.8
mapigay po sa amin
34:47.7
tingnan nyo itong
34:48.4
si A, B, C, D, E,
34:52.6
Committee number yan.
34:55.4
Kung yan ba talaga
34:56.4
ay nagbabayad ng tax
34:59.7
Sa mga pinanalo niya.
35:04.6
Pwede po mahingi,
35:07.4
We'll submit it to you.
35:12.8
So, itong si person B
35:16.3
ngayon dyan yung mga
35:18.9
tinga tinawag natin
35:32.1
within your jurisdiction.
35:35.5
That's why tinawag ka.
35:41.6
Place him under oath,
35:43.5
Can you please stand up?
35:46.1
Can you raise your right hand?
35:48.0
mismention your name.
35:51.0
Sorry to tell the whole truth.
35:53.0
And nothing but truth
35:55.0
in this committee.
35:58.0
Hindi, hindi. Yan yung...
36:00.0
Wala muna akong tanong sa iyo,
36:03.0
Si person A naman,
36:04.0
yung kifilinash natin kanina,
36:06.0
na mga hindi naman 3D,
36:09.0
but various lotto games yun,
36:10.0
but short of jackpot.
36:13.0
yung mga winnings na yan
36:16.0
is also concentrated in an area,
36:19.0
kasi lotto teller,
36:29.3
Yung mga winnings na yan,
36:30.3
parang dito rin na
36:32.3
na-determine natin yung
36:34.3
sa may Agusan area siya,
36:37.3
ma-dedetermine din natin
36:42.3
Agent po siya sa NCR.
36:43.3
Teller, sabi nyo.
36:45.3
Sabi mo teller na teller.
36:50.3
kasi ang lotto branch
36:53.3
is authorized to pay
36:55.3
immediately how much?
37:02.3
Up to 300,000 po.
37:05.3
The branch is the PCSO office.
37:08.3
But how about the PCSO?
37:09.3
Ah, the lotto outlet.
37:10.3
Pwede rin kasing mag-claim yata doon sa outlet?
37:20.3
You have a branch.
37:21.3
Yeah, where's your branch in Agusan del Norte?
37:24.3
Nasa City Hall po.
37:28.3
So, ang gusto niyong palabasin, yung nanalo ng 225,000, he or she would rather, the real
37:43.3
winner, ah, he or she would rather entrust the ticket to the lotto operator or the cashier,
37:47.3
operator, who you call lotto
37:49.3
agent? Ano ba ang tawag na sa lotto
37:52.7
Lotto agent, yung may-ari
37:57.3
So yung winner ng
38:00.3
your area would rather trust the
38:04.6
with the ticket to
38:06.9
claim the prize for
38:11.2
Nahirap pa puntahan yung
38:12.6
opsina nyo just for
38:14.8
the winner to get it
38:18.5
Actually po, Senator, if I may.
38:22.0
The main means of transportation
38:25.1
po sa Butuan City
38:28.8
May mga maliliit lang na
38:32.5
At saka yung lotto outlet niya po
38:36.3
around 15 kilometers po malayo.
38:41.1
ganun ka-accessible.
38:43.9
si person B, lahat ng mga
38:46.7
pagkilagay si person B,
38:52.1
ng mga nanalo sa 3D
38:56.4
Walang nanalo sa ibang lugar?
38:58.9
Kasi binigay sa amin
39:05.3
Si person B saan nakatira to?
39:07.2
Sa Butuan City po.
39:08.9
Okay. So ibig sabihin, napakaswerte naman
39:10.6
ang Butuan. Mukhang
39:14.7
ang taya. 500 pesos versus
39:21.0
Anong guess niyo po?
39:22.1
Kasi para makuha niya yung
39:25.2
yung July, alam mo yung first winner,
39:29.4
he or she has to bet
39:32.8
So ibig sabihin, dyan sa Butuan,
39:36.5
lahat ng mga tao dyan
39:41.1
ang binibet is 500 pesos.
39:43.5
Ang lakas pala tumaya
39:44.3
ng mga taga Butuan. Kaya tinatama niya
39:46.6
ng 225 every time.
39:51.0
So that's why I need that person
39:53.0
here sa next hearing, Mr. Chair.
39:55.9
Whoever this person is,
39:57.2
pake-explain sa amin
39:58.2
kung sino-sino yung mga tao
40:00.3
na binibilhan niya
40:02.7
para diretso na tayo
40:04.1
ng mga winning tickets.
40:07.0
Na ang tinataya ay 500 pesos
40:09.0
kaya tumama ng 225.
40:10.9
Is this one person or
40:12.4
many persons? At pala kung gano'n,
40:15.3
itong mga taong ito,
40:16.1
sobrang pagkasugarol. Kasi 10 pesos
40:18.3
lang dapat ang bet mo eh sa isang ticket.
40:20.4
Parang sigurado-sigurado na sila lahat
40:22.2
na sila'y mananalo.
40:24.0
That's why they have to bet 500 pesos.
40:29.1
ba't ako magbibet ng 500?
40:30.5
Eh hindi nga ako sigurado. Tsambahan yan
40:32.2
kahit na 3-digit. So baka
40:34.2
nabigyan siya ng tip.
40:36.9
Walang iniwan niya sa
40:37.9
wetting. Pag nabibigyan ng tip,
40:41.3
ng winning number,
40:46.1
May tip ba ito si
40:48.6
Ang mga kliyente niya?
40:52.0
May answer, Mr. Chair?
40:55.9
Actually, sa Mindanao po,
40:58.0
ako, proud Mindanao din ako.
41:00.1
Marami po talagang sugarol.
41:02.1
Yes, tagal-sugarol.
41:03.9
Even though at that time of
41:07.8
Malalakas po talaga. May mga tao po talaga,
41:11.8
maski na may mga business,
41:13.6
nagtataya ng laki-laki.
41:16.1
Now, yung sinasabi nyo.
41:17.7
So, sandali lang, sir.
41:20.9
So, you mean to say,
41:23.1
puro Mindanao lang,
41:24.5
taga Mindanao lang,
41:25.3
nananalo ng 225,000
41:27.3
at 500 pesos ang bet nila,
41:29.3
each ticket, wala sa Luzon,
41:31.4
wala sa Visayas, kasi puro Mindanao
41:33.5
lang nakikita ko eh.
41:34.6
Sir, sa area ko po,
41:38.8
Pak-explain, PCSO, bakit Mindanao
41:42.8
ano po yung asin niyo, Agusan?
41:48.6
ang merong multiple winners
41:51.4
nagbe-bet ng 500,000
41:54.1
at 500 pesos, at nananalo ng
41:56.4
225,000 each time.
41:58.6
Bakit wala sa ibang lugar?
42:04.4
Wala sa Cebu, wala sa
42:13.9
yung mga games po namin,
42:16.1
may mga games po na
42:17.9
halos, yun yung malakas
42:20.3
at saka patok talaga sa isang lugar.
42:24.6
in Mindanao, malakas
42:28.3
At saka meron pa nga
42:29.6
dati na 2D, yung last
42:32.3
two ng, ano, sa iligal.
42:34.7
Yung last two ng 3D natin.
42:36.5
Yun kung pinakamalakas.
42:37.5
Yes, sir. Malakas po yung 3D.
42:46.1
kung saan man lugar
42:51.8
napakaswerte naman
42:53.6
ng mga tao doon sa lugar niya
42:54.8
na palagi na, is this one person?
42:58.9
Kung halimbawa siya agent,
43:00.1
one person ang papalit sa kanya palagi,
43:01.6
o these are multiple people
43:03.3
na take pa 500 pag nagbet.
43:05.3
Sabi mga sa Mindanao,
43:06.3
malakas magbet yung mga tao.
43:07.6
Okay. Kung yun talaga paniniwala mo,
43:10.1
sugarol mga taga Mindanao,
43:12.4
Dahil malakas magbet.
43:14.4
normally, pag yung hindi malakas magbet,
43:19.7
are these multiple people?
43:22.9
Upon interview po sa agent,
43:27.3
Hindi lang po isa.
43:29.4
ayun po ang sabi niya.
43:32.2
Kasi siya yung nag-opin.
43:37.4
So, ibig sabihin,
43:39.2
lahat ng mga suki niya,
43:41.7
malalakas magbet?
43:43.6
Hindi po lahat, sir.
43:44.9
May mga malalakas.
43:45.7
Kaya, malakas nga yung magbet.
43:48.8
Hindi na, hindi na,
43:50.6
dinidisigan ng 10 pesos.
43:52.4
Malit lang panalo ko dyan.
43:57.0
Bakit 500 ang binibet niya?
43:59.0
Kasi po, yung 500,
44:01.0
yun yung pinaka-convenient na taya.
44:03.4
Per combination, sir.
44:04.8
Yun yung pinaka-convenient na taya
44:06.8
na makakaklaim ka
44:12.1
225,000 po yung panalo
44:15.7
Pwede namang 550, 600.
44:18.5
Pero, hindi po siya convenient
44:19.9
sa currency natin.
44:22.1
O, medyo brutal po.
44:24.6
So, 500 is the most convenient
44:26.5
na kapag panalo ka na,
44:27.8
hindi ka napupunta ng Manila.
44:30.3
Kasi, pag mag-1,000 ka na,
44:32.5
that's already 450,000.
44:34.8
Sa nakita nyo, may isa po dyan
44:36.9
na kiname niya po
44:40.2
Yun pong 450,000.
44:42.3
Kasi magpa-fly pa siya.
44:44.7
So, ibig sabihin,
44:48.6
hindi niya kailang pumunta ng Manila.
44:50.7
Pero, may option din siya na
44:52.0
pumunta ng Manila kung gustuhin niya.
44:54.3
Pwede rin po, sir.
44:58.9
Whether pupunta sa Manila o hindi,
45:01.0
225,000 o above 10,000,
45:04.7
may option siya pumunta sa Manila
45:05.9
kung gustuhin niya.
45:06.7
O pumunta sa district office
45:07.8
kung gustuhin niya.
45:10.8
Eh, ang expenses po, sir,
45:13.0
na pupunta ng Manila, sir,
45:14.4
malayo po yung buto.
45:15.4
Pero kung 225,000,
45:16.6
pwede rin pumunta sa opisina
45:17.6
sa butuan sa district office
45:21.8
O kailang pumunta pa ng Manila?
45:23.8
Sa branch office lang po.
45:26.2
Yung sa diba kanina?
45:29.4
Yung 225,000 na sinabi ko,
45:31.4
yun yung klingin niya lahat
45:33.0
sa branch office po.
45:35.9
mas convenient po eh.
45:41.8
meron siyang 450.
45:42.9
Ano nangyari dito?
45:44.0
Ano nangyari dito?
45:44.9
ang winning ticket
45:51.5
ang winning ticket,
45:57.0
bibigay ngayon kay Lotto agent,
45:59.7
i-claim na niya sa branch,
46:01.2
kaya sa reflected sa branch,
46:06.7
ano po nangyari dito?
46:09.1
Kasi parehong person B ito eh.
46:10.8
So, what happened?
46:12.2
1,000 po yung taya.
46:13.4
1,000 ang ticket.
46:17.4
ganun na nangyari.
46:18.2
May nag-bet na ng 1,000
46:26.0
sinabi niya kay Lotto agent,
46:30.2
ay hindi pumunta na sa branch office
46:32.3
sa Manila na pumunta
46:33.4
kasi lampas na sa limit.
46:36.9
So, si Lotto agent
46:38.0
ay pumunta na sa Manila,
46:39.8
siya na ang nag-claim
46:41.5
siya pa rin ang winner
46:42.4
kasi siya ang nag-claim.
46:43.6
Ganun po nangyari rito.
46:47.5
tumaya ng 1,000 pesos
46:50.2
Ngayon, itong 3D,
46:53.0
ito, Mr. Chairman,
46:54.2
when I say Mr. Chairman,
46:55.1
Mr. Chairman Junikuwa na,
47:05.4
Ito yung mga 3D na
47:09.8
ano pa rin ba yung wedding noon?
47:10.9
Ano ba yung wedding?
47:11.7
Two numbers lamang wedding?
47:16.6
two, three numbers,
47:17.6
parang I thought it was,
47:18.8
this was to cater for the,
47:20.7
for those small bettors
47:24.9
20 pesos lang ang kaya,
47:26.3
na malakas nilang may chance manalo.
47:28.8
Ito, you're telling us that
47:32.0
is more than minimum wage?
47:34.5
Sige mo, tinataya na nila,
47:35.9
is more than the minimum wage sa area.
47:38.7
Ama ka nung minimum wage na ito sa
47:45.1
500 siguro ngayon,
47:46.5
with the increase na.
47:48.1
O, katakot-takot na naawa yun,
47:50.2
500 pesos sa minimum wage natin sa,
47:53.2
and they're betting their minimum wage dito.
47:55.1
They're supposed to be the small,
47:56.5
the small bettors itong 3D gaming.
47:59.3
So, ganyan na nangyayari.
48:01.0
Ganyan na nangyayari.
48:02.7
ang next question ko pa nga,
48:05.8
telegraph ko lang,
48:07.1
because no need for an answer.
48:08.2
Yes, no need ko lang muna si,
48:09.3
Si Sen. Batong de la Rosa.
48:12.0
No need for an answer,
48:13.4
tatanoyin ko sa susunod,
48:15.8
kumikita ba itong 3D games natin?
48:21.0
This is just one area,
48:22.1
ha, Mr. Chairman.
48:23.8
isang agent lang ito.
48:25.8
Isang outlet lang bali ito.
48:27.8
Isang outlet lang yan.
48:30.6
siguro sa in the future,
48:32.9
tatanong na natin sa PCSO,
48:35.4
which of your games,
48:37.2
kaya nyo naman i-segregate yan, eh.
48:39.3
Ano yung taya sa game?
48:41.0
ano yung payout ninyo?
48:42.5
Which of your games are making money?
48:44.2
And which are not making money?
48:47.8
in some future time,
48:49.4
i-follow up ko po yung tanong na yan.
48:54.3
necessary for the answer.
49:00.4
mapuntay natin sa next hearing
49:01.7
para tanongin natin siya
49:02.9
at lahat ng mga nandun,
49:05.4
kakausapin natin,
49:07.3
magpaliwanag sa atin yung proseso,
49:09.8
ng kanilang claim at paano,
49:11.5
bakit sila nilalapitan,
49:14.7
meron po kayong opening statement?
49:19.4
I just would like to
49:25.4
I would like to hear the hearings.
49:30.1
baliktaktakan dito.
49:32.4
Pumunta lang ko dito,
49:33.6
baka may chance na rin
49:34.8
kung manalo ng loto.
49:37.6
matagal ako tumataya
49:39.3
Hindi ka pa nanalo?
49:49.9
Malaki-laki rin, ah.
49:53.3
Pumunta ka ng butuan,
49:55.3
tumaya ka ng 500 pesos,
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malaking chance mo.
50:02.2
paturo ka sa kanya
50:03.1
kung paano manalo
50:06.0
Kita mo naman, oh.
50:07.7
Eight times July 9.
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Galing mo nga niya.
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thank you, Mr. Chairman.
50:14.1
Baka naman magaling
50:16.0
na siya sa combination
50:16.6
o baka marunong na siya
50:19.1
Okay tong 3D nito.
50:22.7
meron siyang regla.
50:24.3
Nareglahan niya siguro,
50:25.8
Kaya nanalo siya.
50:30.9
says a lot to winnings.
50:40.1
Lucky Pick System 12.
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ang cheque na natanggap
51:17.1
may kulang sa cheque niya?
51:21.1
dun sa System 12 po,
51:22.7
ay yung amount po
51:25.3
dun sa System 12,
51:26.5
may iba pa po siyang winnings.
51:30.3
parang 800,000 po yata.
51:34.9
So, ilang cheque na tanggap niya?
51:37.8
kung isa lang na ticket
51:41.4
ang panalo niya is
51:46.7
yun ang jackpot eh.
51:52.2
na panalo na niya
51:55.1
is supposed to be
52:01.0
Kasi yun ang pot eh,
52:02.6
Yun ang jackpot eh.
52:14.8
ang cheque na tanggap niya,
52:22.6
ang cheque na tanggap niya
52:26.1
so merong kula na 1.6.
52:28.1
Kaya na punta yung 1.6,
52:37.6
Nagustuhan nyo ba
52:38.7
ang ganitong pagtalakay?
52:41.4
Informador FB page
52:43.6
sa Informador YouTube channel.
52:46.6
ay nilikha ng mga staff
52:47.9
ni Atty. Ricky Tomotorgo
52:51.0
upang lalong lumawak
52:53.1
ng pagpapalaganap
52:56.6
at kasinungalingan.
53:13.6
Ang pagpapalagang
53:43.5
thi Șiği and Bird Company.
53:43.6
Thank you for watching!
