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00:00.0
Okay, ito, ito, ito. Pag-usapan naman natin ang opposition, baka sasabihin na naman, ito na naman si Ronald at Richard, nag-a-apply na naman sa Malacanang. Let's just be clear, it just happens, a certain person is in power. I don't know, weird twist of history.
00:14.1
But now, okay, pag-usapan natin ang opposition because, you know, Ronald, especially in my circles, academic circles, you always hear Philippines, weak state, strong society. You know, that's always what they say about Philippines, about India, among others. But correct me if I'm wrong, Ronald, one of the things we noticed during Duterte time is how we both have a weak state and sometimes even the strength of our civil society perhaps was exaggerated.
00:39.0
I mean, I don't know, you correct me, Ronald, but there were so many people who were supposedly progressive.
00:43.7
And then nung si Digong naging presidente, biglang, even after the purge of some people, andun pa rin sila, pro-Digong pa rin. Andaming, I'll put it honestly, andaming civil society people na lumabas na operator lang pala sila in the end, right?
00:58.7
Now, you get what I'm saying? The way they would, I mean, like, how can you claim you're an advocate for these rights and that, and then you completely turn a blind eye, if not apologize, for mass atrocities, crimes against humanity, right?
01:10.3
Andaming natin kilalang gano'n, hindi lang sa Manila.
01:12.5
Bati sa mga probinsya, huwag na natin pangalanan, itag na lang natin mamaya sa Facebook.
01:16.9
No, no, but, so actually, some part of me was wondering, do we really have a strong civil society?
01:22.0
Because, you know, it is okay to bring thousands of people when someone like BBM or Aquino who are not dictatorial, right?
01:29.2
Madali lang naman maglalagay.
01:30.6
But the real test of a strong civil society is when you have a very popular authoritarian populist leader, demagogue, can you bring them out?
01:39.2
In fairness, India has proven that they have a strong civil society.
01:42.8
They have a weak political opposition.
01:44.7
But remember yung ginawa nila a few years ago, yung mga farmers, they marched all the way to New Delhi, they occupied the outskirts of New Delhi, hundreds of thousands of them,
01:52.7
and eventually they forced Modi to revisit some of his major land acquisition policies, agricultural policies.
01:59.3
So, that's Modi na, a very, very astute, a very, very powerful, organized populist.
02:05.4
And I was always wondering, ba't walang ganyan sa Pilipinas?
02:09.9
Ardoan almost lost.
02:11.1
The opposition came together.
02:12.8
They had a united slate.
02:15.2
Alam ko hindi na ako maimbita ulit.
02:17.5
But you see what I'm saying, right?
02:19.7
I really began to doubt itong weak state, strong society.
02:26.2
I think we have a weak state, weak civil society sometimes, and very strong men once in a while, right?
02:31.4
Who just damage the system.
02:33.0
So, ang tanong ko dito is, for instance, in Colombia, we saw the victims of Pablo Hernández.
02:39.2
Pablo Escobar, right?
02:40.3
They came out, they organized.
02:41.8
Well, some of them got also deadly, right?
02:43.8
They visited revenge on Pablo Escobar, nagkaroon ng civil war sa Medellin.
02:49.0
I'm not asking for that.
02:50.3
But what I'm curious about is, bakit hindi nagkaroon ng ganyan mobilization?
02:55.6
I mean, all due credit to Riza Ontiveros for being there, for Kean de los Santos' family,
03:01.6
for her coming out for victims of, or alleged victims of itong si self-proclaimed people.
03:09.2
So, aside from Riza, where's the warm bodies on the ground, civil society?
03:13.9
Why are we not hearing the stories of the victims, the parents of the victims, the children of the victims?
03:19.1
There are hundreds of thousands of them, potentially, right?
03:22.2
Kung 30,000, and each of them have four family members at least.
03:26.1
You're talking about huge numbers.
03:27.1
And for some reason, Ronald, it looks like umahasa pa rin tayo anong gagawin ni BBM.
03:31.7
Anong gagawin ni BBM?
03:33.7
Or kay Riza lang?
03:35.1
I mean, where are the rest?
03:36.3
Where is the civil society?
03:37.3
Shouldn't they come out now?
03:38.5
Shouldn't they bring out?
03:39.8
Essentially, make it, force it upon BBM to make the right decision on the ICC issue?
03:46.1
Well, we have a very strong, very dynamic civil society in the 80s and in the 90s.
03:54.5
Nagkaroon tayo, no?
03:56.0
Ito yung mga, ito yung golden age of coalitions.
04:00.0
Thousands of NGOs, no?
04:03.1
Andaming advocacies, etc.
04:04.7
Ang problema ay nalatili siya in the ground.
04:08.5
Gram siya na ethos na natili siyang war opposition.
04:15.4
Hindi siya na-consolidate at nag-complement into a war opposition inside the constructs of government.
04:26.4
Dapat nagko-complement siya, no?
04:27.9
War of motion, war of opposition, no?
04:30.2
Iyon yung naging problema.
04:31.3
When nag-decision itong dynamic civil society na ito na pumasok sa war,
04:38.5
war of position inside the state,
04:40.9
mga akwa na yan eh, turn of the century na yan.
04:43.7
Kahit yung akbayan eh, na pumasok yan, 98, 99, diyan lang sila pumasok.
04:49.9
So, yung wellspring ng dynamism, yung wellspring ng organization,
04:59.2
nung 80s at saka 90s, no?
05:01.0
Ay pwede nag-e-eb na, no?
05:04.7
Before the new century entered,
05:08.5
nasa siya yung civil society to enter the state, no?
05:13.0
Iyon yung isa, no?
05:15.0
Ikalawa ay nakita natin yung perfect storm ng technology,
05:23.5
Ng disruption, no?
05:25.5
Nakita natin yan nitong panahon ni Digong, no?
05:29.6
Nakita natin yan.
05:31.4
May kaunting lumabas nung panahon ni Erap, no?
05:35.5
Lumabas yan ulit nung panahon ni Pinoy to some extent.
05:38.5
Pero nakita natin yung pagragasan niyan nung panahon nung 2016 ni Digong.
05:45.2
At hindi ko masisi yung oposisyon at saka civil society
05:47.9
because at that time, civil society has been dramatically weakened.
05:52.5
Halos wala na mga NGOs.
05:54.2
Halos wala na mga koalisyons, no?
05:56.7
At yung oposisyon naman, as epitomized by the Liberal Party,
06:03.7
they don't know what hit them.
06:05.4
Hindi nila na-deconstructed.
06:08.5
Hindi nila na-analyze.
06:10.3
Hindi nila na-profile.
06:12.1
Yung itong mga populist leader na sumusulpot, no?
06:16.9
Not only around the world, but lalo na sa ating bansa.
06:19.5
I disagree, Ronald.
06:20.8
Di ba ang explanation sa lahat is disinformation?
06:24.2
Ba't kainipan ang jowa mo, disinformation?
06:26.7
Bakit hindi ka binoto ng election, disinformation?
06:29.3
Bakit nasaraan ng ano, disinformation?
06:30.8
Di ba? I mean, come on.
06:31.8
That's what they do.
06:32.6
Pero nung 2016, they were the ruling party.
06:37.5
They were the ruling party.
06:38.5
So, hindi sila ganun kakwan.
06:40.6
At kung tutusin, diyan pala nagsisimula yung Cambridge Analytica, di ba?
06:45.2
Iyan yung panahon ng Cambridge Analytica, eh.
06:48.5
So, hindi pa siya ganun kasabog, eh.
06:51.2
Hindi pa na sumasabog, eh.
06:52.7
Nagsisimula pa lang siya.
06:56.1
Medyo nahuli, no?
06:57.5
Kaya, tapos, syempre, overconfident yung Liberal Party
07:00.9
dahil sila yung ruling party.
07:02.7
Hindi nila inasahan na tatamaan sila
07:04.9
nitong wave ng populism na ito.
07:06.6
Itong wave na, ah,
07:08.3
technology na ito.
07:09.8
At, ah, yung, ah,
07:12.1
hanggang, hanggang, ah,
07:17.3
eve nung campaign period,
07:18.9
nung official campaign period,
07:20.5
ang tingin ng Liberal Party kay Digong,
07:22.3
an asset na pwede nilang gamitin, no?
07:26.1
Para humina si Binay.
07:29.2
And to some extent, si Grace po.
07:31.7
Nalang yung appreciation nila kay Digong.
07:33.2
Hindi nila nakita si Digong as the primary threat.
07:36.9
Hindi nila nakita na itong,
07:38.3
itong bastion of populism.
07:40.7
At that point, no?
07:43.8
Ang tingin nila kay Digong,
07:45.3
well, nandyan siya,
07:47.1
pero not enough to win.
07:49.2
At makakatulong siya,
07:50.9
at makakatulong siya para ma-weaken
07:52.8
yung primary threat,
07:55.8
At ikalawa, si Grace po.
07:57.6
So, yun yung, yun yung nangyari.
07:59.9
Yun yung nangyari.
08:01.4
At nung nangyari yung 2019,
08:03.6
nasa height na si Digong
08:04.7
ng kanyang popularity.
08:12.7
Kaya hindi nakakagulat na na-zero
08:14.5
yung, yung oposisyon.
08:16.6
At hindi lang yun.
08:18.0
Hindi nakapag-adjust yung, yung oposisyon
08:20.1
into a new political narrative.
08:23.3
consistent with the time of populism,
08:26.0
of disinformation.
08:27.6
Nalatili silang biktima eh.
08:31.0
Pwede hindi nila napansin niya nung 2016
08:33.3
dahil sila nga yung ruling party.
08:36.4
dapat nakapag-adjust ka na.
08:37.9
Dapat nakita mo na what hit you eh.
08:41.1
Pero hindi pa rin.
08:42.2
Kung nakita mo yung campaign
08:43.4
ng 8 Diretso ng 2019,
08:48.3
At go, at fast forward sa 2022,
08:51.2
medyo may kaunting adjustment na.
08:55.1
Nakikita mo sa laki ng mga rally,
08:57.2
nakikita mo sa kulay ng kampanya,
09:01.3
pero medyo cluttered pa rin yung messaging.
09:05.1
Kumpara sa focus messaging
09:07.2
ni BBM at saka ni Duterte.
09:09.9
Pero may kaunting adjustment.
09:15.1
nitong past two years,
09:18.4
parang natahimik na naman
09:20.1
at least yung traditional opposition.
09:22.8
Naiwan si Risa na nag-iingay,
09:25.4
but all the others,
09:26.5
hindi lamang lumiit.
09:35.1
Walang nanalo sa kanila.
09:37.2
Hindi ka naman maimbita
09:38.0
tapos ako na naman si Pistino.
09:40.0
Walang nanalo sa kanila.
09:42.5
Dapat nakapag-assess sila.
09:43.9
Bakit walang nanalo?
09:46.0
Ibang usapin niyong sa presidente,
09:47.7
pero walang nanalo na senador,
09:50.9
tapos kakaunting congressman lang
09:53.0
Dapat na-analyze na nila
09:56.3
At ngayon, hindi lang yun.
09:57.8
Doon sa ilan nananalo na Liberal Party,
10:00.4
nahati pa sa tatlo.
10:02.0
May sumama sa minority,
10:03.8
May sumama sa administration,
10:07.2
At may yung presidente
10:10.1
na iwan as independent minority.
10:12.8
Hindi ko maintindihan.
10:14.3
Maliit na partido,
10:15.7
na-wipe out ka na halos,
10:18.0
nahati pa sa tatlo.
10:21.1
yung sumama sa administration,
10:22.8
hindi lang sumama sa administration.
10:25.6
Co-author ng Maharlika.
10:28.0
Defender ng Chacha.
10:31.0
Defender ng Chacha.
10:32.4
Eloquent apologist.
10:34.5
Tapos, two days ago,
10:36.0
yung isang member,
10:37.2
yung isang member ng minority
10:37.9
ng Liberal Party,
10:39.0
nag-abstain doon sa contempt
10:41.1
or warrant of arrest
10:43.8
So, kakaunti na lang ayan.
10:46.7
Tapos, hindi pa nila nakita
10:49.7
na kinakilangang baguhin yung narrative
10:51.6
to be more disruptive.
10:56.0
hindi mo naman masasabing
10:57.0
disruptive si Kiko Pangilinan.
10:59.3
Paano kung magmamarka?
11:01.2
Paano kung magmamarka?
11:02.1
Hindi lamang dahil
11:02.9
tumahimi ka na matagal.
11:05.1
Nung nagsimula kang magingay,
11:09.0
At filing of candidacy
11:11.3
Election na next year.
11:18.4
wala ka sa surveys.
11:20.6
Wala ka sa surveys.
11:22.1
hindi ako magugulat
11:24.9
mali-repeat yung 2019
11:28.4
mag-scale up sila.
11:30.3
Ang gandang opportunity
11:31.2
para mag-scale up eh.
11:34.1
nahati yung unit team.
11:35.4
Gandang opportunity,
11:37.5
Na pumasok ka dyan.
11:40.7
Bakit kulang pa rin?
11:42.1
Bakit kapos pa rin?
11:44.2
mag-cold water ka.
11:47.6
dahil concern ako,
11:49.8
dahil alam mo naman.
11:52.2
ayot hindi tayo iniimbit ha,
11:53.8
yung ating sentiments
11:54.9
nandoon naman eh.
11:56.4
Why are we doing this?
11:59.6
we would have done this
12:00.5
if we think things are doing okay
12:03.0
we would do more foreign policy,
12:07.6
kita-kita namin like,
12:19.3
nakaka-1 million ka sa Facebook,
12:21.8
And you're not even a politician.
12:23.8
Pero ibig sabihin,
12:25.0
nagagamit mo yung technology,
12:26.6
nagagamit mo yung...
12:27.4
Pero baka engagement lang yan,
12:32.4
para magsimulang mag-disrupt
12:35.2
the attention of people.
12:37.0
Bakit hindi nila magawa yun?
12:38.5
Bakit hindi nila ginagawa?
12:41.3
gano'ng katalino, eh.
12:42.8
Marami mas patatitok sa atin, eh.
12:45.4
Cloudchaser kasi tayo.
12:48.3
Hindi nila daw sila cloudchaser.
12:50.1
They're humble people.
12:52.4
self-appointed political analyst, no?
12:58.8
kung meron pwedeng makita
13:00.0
sa ganitong ating example,
13:03.6
It can be done talaga.
13:04.2
I think Christian is,
13:05.2
why are not they doing,
13:06.4
why are they not,
13:08.6
why are they not doing it?
13:10.5
Yun yung aking kwal, eh.
13:12.9
Filing nila kandida si election nila
13:16.1
Bakit wala pa akong nakikita
13:18.4
But hindi yung lessons
13:21.5
yung lessons ng disruption,
13:25.5
mga political narrative,
13:30.0
Gagawin mo sa campaign period
13:33.3
Doon mo sisimulan?
13:36.1
doon ako nagtataka.
13:39.1
Ang dami na nangyari
13:40.2
para kumuha ka ng lessons.
13:41.9
Ang dami na nangyari
13:42.8
para maging basis mo
13:44.8
to create your own
13:50.4
At ang dami lumabas.
13:51.7
Million, million march
13:52.9
nung election 2022.
13:54.3
I mean, it's not like,
13:55.4
nag-daydream ka mo dito.
14:00.2
Sorry, not even embers.
14:01.4
We saw green shoots,
14:03.3
Of something special,
14:06.2
I think the advance
14:06.9
ay 1.2 million sa Makati.
14:10.2
15 hours nandun yung mga tao.
14:11.8
Hindi yung maalis.
14:13.1
Hindi yung maalis.
14:15.6
are young people.
14:19.1
one of my first lives,
14:20.5
as in blog lives,
14:21.9
was from Southeast Rallies.
14:23.4
And sa daming tao
14:24.4
gumagamit ng internet
14:25.5
kasi middle class lahat to,
14:27.5
Ang hirap kumuha ng internet.
14:30.9
these are things I saw in Hong Kong
14:32.3
nung during Hong Kong protest.
14:33.8
yung huge crowds,
14:35.2
and to see all of these
14:38.9
A-list celebrities coming out,
14:45.9
andun na yung blueprint.
14:49.6
it was shouting in your face.
14:53.5
Kaya nilang makinig sa atin,
14:56.6
tignan nila si Tulpo.
14:58.4
Three Tulpo brothers.
15:02.1
lalo ma-depress tayo.
15:03.4
May radio program.
15:05.2
Hindi sila matututuron, no?
15:06.6
Pwede nila pag-aralan yun, no?
15:08.3
Three Tulpo brothers.
15:09.6
Number one sa party list,
15:11.1
number one sa Senate,
15:13.3
mag na number one ulit sa Senate,
15:15.3
nilalampasan si Sarah sa surveys,
15:17.8
hindi pa nag-a-announce yan.
15:19.9
anong magic meron yan?
15:23.1
Anong mga magic potions
15:25.2
yung kinakailangan pala?
15:28.6
Like, Rafi's doing all, di ba?
15:30.5
He's still in media,
15:31.6
he's still Senate,
15:32.4
like he's doing all of this
15:33.6
sabay-sabay, di ba?
15:34.5
It looks like he has a lot of time.
15:34.7
It looks like he has a lot of time.
15:35.0
He has a lot of energy for everything, di ba?
15:37.7
He's picking a lot of big fights
15:38.9
at the same time strategic also
15:40.3
with picking his,
15:41.1
choosing his battles.
15:43.3
you can do it all naman, di ba?
15:44.8
obviously, we have our disagreements
15:47.4
and sometimes the messaging.
15:49.4
But in terms of yung,
15:51.8
multi-front offensive,
15:54.5
it's a lot to learn from.
15:54.7
Di ba, nga itong huli,
15:55.7
nag-walkout siya.
15:57.0
Di ba, nag-walkout siya
15:57.8
doon sa hearing window.
15:59.5
O, yung nga na-post yan.
16:00.8
Yung nga na-post siya.
16:00.8
Yung nga na-post si Bato.
16:02.1
sino yung nakinabang doon?
16:06.1
kinura niya yung mga polis.
16:08.5
et cetera, et cetera.
16:09.6
Nasaan lang simpat siya doon?
16:13.9
nung kinonfront niya
16:16.6
Tapos, nilabas niya
16:17.3
yung napakaraming papeles
16:18.6
about sa DepEd, no?
16:20.2
Et cetera, et cetera.
16:21.3
Sino yung nakinabang doon?
16:23.1
Who is running for re-election?
16:25.7
That's performative.
16:27.6
Performative politics, ha?
16:28.7
That's performative pala.
16:30.2
Performative, but,
16:31.9
I mean, in a way,
16:33.7
this is the difference.
16:35.3
yung mga iba dyan,
16:36.9
magdadrama-drama sila
16:38.0
kung nahuli silang
16:38.8
ang ginawa silang mali.
16:41.8
pero the underlying message is,
16:44.3
kaya ako nag-walkout
16:45.2
kasi you're not holding
16:46.1
people accountable,
16:47.0
which is a good message, right?
16:48.2
Kaya ako nag-walkout
16:49.1
or kaya ako nag-ganyan
16:50.1
kasi hindi kayo nag-respond
16:51.2
doon sa re-election.
16:52.6
you can criticize the example.
16:54.1
Pero mo yung PCSO.
17:02.0
from rags to riches.
17:04.4
Lolokohin nyo pa,
17:07.7
Imagine mo yung marka nun
17:09.0
sa mga may hirap.
17:10.5
lalo tayo mag-bash,
17:12.2
nag-apply sa Malacanang.
17:16.4
nag-advise ko lang,
17:17.3
yung mga katulad mo
17:19.1
dapat matuto dyan.
17:26.4
in the Aquino administration,
17:28.7
I'll take it with the game.
17:30.0
Hindi, sir Ronald,
17:31.1
last point on this episode,
17:32.7
I think this episode,
17:33.9
naging emotional tayo
17:36.2
Hindi, kasi I mean,
17:36.9
I hope people understand.
17:39.0
ano naman namin magpa-cute?
17:40.7
I prefer a world na
17:42.2
kahit boring yung...
17:43.1
I mean, anything but cute.
17:47.2
I mean, anything but cute.
17:54.0
I mean, you're right.
17:57.5
civil society leadership,
18:02.0
training the next
18:02.7
generation of leaders?
18:05.6
millennials like me
18:07.5
like, bring it down.
18:09.2
konting gap doon?
18:10.1
To put it nicely.
18:14.5
friends and colleagues
18:15.6
fighting the good fight.
18:17.1
But at the same time,
18:18.4
there's a mismatch
18:20.4
rise of all of these
18:21.6
opportunistic clowns
18:23.8
and what they bring
18:25.5
in terms of their
18:26.2
political momentum
18:34.4
Kami, lahat kami,
18:35.6
nung panahon namin,
18:37.3
youth and students,
18:40.0
dumaan sa organizing.
18:49.4
Whatever political
18:50.6
ideological formation
18:57.8
sa mga coalition,
18:58.7
sa civil society,
19:06.5
nagulat ka na lang,
19:07.5
you woke up in the morning,
19:09.0
wala na mga strikes.
19:12.1
wala na mga demolition,
19:16.2
na yung peasantry
19:18.7
nasisimula na mag-ubos,
19:26.4
merong ng smartphone,
19:28.7
is communicating,
19:37.2
you hit the wall, eh.
19:38.3
Yung mga teachings mo,
19:39.6
yung mga study circles,
19:41.5
yung mga political education,
19:44.9
hindi na siya umuubra.
19:47.0
absorptive capacity
19:49.0
especially the youth,
19:50.3
ay 30 seconds na lang
19:54.7
na-realize namin,
20:00.1
yun yung nangyayari ngayon.
20:02.5
hindi nakapag-adjust.
20:04.5
hindi nakapag-adjust.
20:05.5
Dahil napakabilis, eh.
20:07.5
Napakabilis ng speed, eh.
20:09.4
transition period, eh.
20:12.1
na mag-adjust ka.
20:13.4
isa yun sa naging problema.
20:14.9
Isa yun sa naging problema.
20:16.2
I'll say one more thing.
20:17.8
before we go to the next episode,
20:19.0
kasi we need to also talk
20:19.9
about West Philippines
20:20.6
and international affairs and all.
20:25.2
if you look at it,
20:26.2
my first book was on the
20:28.4
I was reading something
20:31.4
of different revolts
20:32.9
throughout the 21st century.
20:36.0
there's one book now
20:37.0
which kind of confirmed
20:38.0
what I've been saying.
20:39.1
This century has not produced
20:40.4
a single successful revolution.
20:44.3
Occupy Wall Street,
20:47.2
I can go on and on.
21:03.8
on the Arab Spring,
21:04.6
there's a chapter
21:06.0
Twitter devolution,
21:08.0
That if you think
21:08.6
through a hashtag,
21:11.1
there will always be
21:11.9
a KGB on the other side
21:13.3
who can better do it than you.
21:14.5
There'll always be
21:15.8
who can better do it.
21:16.9
There'll be always a side
21:17.8
who will spy on you,
21:18.8
use your own tweets
21:19.6
to track you down
21:26.8
that makes people
21:29.0
And I'm saying this
21:30.9
self-consciousness
21:33.4
my political activism,
21:35.3
reluctant political activism,
21:36.7
is through Twitter
21:38.5
But I'm saying it
21:39.2
at least with self-awareness
21:40.4
that this is not enough.
21:43.2
counterproductive
21:44.1
kung hanggang dyan lang.
21:45.4
Because at the end of the day,
21:47.3
revolution or change
21:50.1
those who hold power,
21:53.9
there's also this
21:56.5
over-fascination,
21:57.6
with all of this,
22:03.6
There's no evidence
22:05.5
a single successful revolution.
22:07.6
Magti-third decade na tayo
22:13.6
Third decade na pala tayo
22:14.7
ng fourth decade.
22:16.5
mas mahabang diskusyon.
22:18.8
a hundred sessions
22:19.7
para pag-usapan ito.
22:22.8
can you give a teaser
22:24.5
so that people look forward?
22:26.3
Because that's what
22:29.5
somewhere Tagaytay,
22:31.5
with a nice background
22:33.4
very green, right?
22:37.7
because that's where
22:41.4
because I respect
22:43.0
that part of you.
22:44.8
with some of your ideas
22:45.7
and isa alanganin ako
22:51.2
gangster OG background.
22:52.9
And it's that OG background
22:54.2
that people forget.
22:56.7
naging dibate namin
22:57.6
ito ni Maria Reza
22:59.0
Rappler seminars.
23:08.9
ang nag-weaponize
23:12.6
Yung nag-weaponize
23:13.6
this authoritarian
23:17.1
Sila yung nag-weaponize
23:18.1
nito to their advantage.
23:20.1
The Trump of this world,
23:33.4
mga contradictions
23:35.7
which is basically
23:36.5
centered on class,
23:42.1
dun sa mga issues
23:44.8
Dun sa mga social issues
23:46.0
like environment.
23:46.9
Parang nahiwalay.
23:52.8
yung ating narrative.
23:54.3
Which shouldn't be.
23:55.6
Which shouldn't be.
23:56.6
Magkakaugna yan, eh.
24:06.1
Yung iba ay naging
24:09.6
environmentalist.
24:16.1
it weakened class,
24:22.6
Integrated yan, eh.
24:24.9
walang mga ideologues,
24:26.8
Na-dinevelop sila
24:31.5
Yun yung naging problema.
24:33.8
ay hindi masyadong
24:36.1
So, yun lang yung
24:42.6
this is just a teaser.
24:45.2
I have to spell it out,
24:47.6
I think sometimes
24:49.2
na-misunderstood na naman tayo
24:51.3
deliberately try to
24:52.6
dismiss us to say,
24:53.5
eh, na naman si Ronald
24:54.8
nagpapakit na naman sila
24:55.9
yung mga analyst na yun.
24:58.5
these people realize,
24:60.0
anong ginagawa nyo,
25:01.3
last time I checked,
25:02.5
I'm studying all cases
25:04.3
all around the world
25:05.2
as much as I can, right?
25:06.3
And I really realized,
25:07.5
may gaps talaga dito
25:09.1
And I'd rather ask
25:11.9
pakit person who did,
25:13.1
some sociology graduate course
25:15.4
on blah, blah, blah,
25:20.3
to really turn things over.
25:22.2
If you don't believe me,
25:23.0
go and ask people
25:24.1
the big fight in Russia,
25:25.8
in the Middle East,
25:29.1
Thank you so much, Ronald.
25:32.1
protect natin ang puso.
25:33.8
Hindi ito yung puso
25:38.3
sa Ronald Diamant.
25:39.7
Sa susunod na episode,
25:40.7
pag-usapan naman natin
25:41.5
ang foreign policy
25:44.8
pinamahal na paulo.
25:49.2
Mag-white house na naman siya.
25:51.8
maging annual event
25:54.5
Sige, salamat sa Ronald.
25:55.7
Imagine in less than a month,
26:03.4
Hindi na siya Magellan,
26:09.0
Mapapash na naman ako
26:10.1
ng mga taga-Malacanang.
26:11.5
Ito na naman si Aydar.
26:14.6
yung travel ng travel?
26:17.8
Iba yung mga ginagawa namin.
26:19.8
Salamat sa Ronald.
