A special Richard & Ronald Episode.

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Okay na ito guys, since there's no way to talk about the Philippines unless we talk about the international environment, because we have a president who appreciates his engagement with the rest of the world.

Parang humahabol ako sa kanya, nag-uuna kami ng destination ngayon.

Okay, so ngayon, nabubukas lang, bago tayo magsimula.

Ah, sir, sir.

Napalawad mo na ba yung three body problems sa Netflix?

Ah, hindi ko alam yan.

Oo, nagsimula siya sa Cultural Revolution.

Oo, sci-fi siya, pero nagsimula siya sa Cultural Revolution.

Panoorin mo.

Ito yung mga gumawa ng Game of Thrones, no?

Like Maoist culture?

Oo, the Maoist culture.

Wow.

Panoorin mo, nagbulat lang ako na.

Panoorin ko na yung unang episode.

Okay, okay.

Sige, sige.

No problem, definitely.

I'll check it out.

Sige, habang nag...

Sige, I'm sure...

Never mind, baka may sasabihin ako mapamahal.

Parang tayo.

Parang sa...

Parang sa...

Of course, I mean, one of the beauty of going around right now

is every time nasa isang capital ako,

parang BBM was just there a few days earlier

or is about to go back again.

Yung mga ganun.

So, nung nasa Washington DC.

So, ngayon ako, of course, later sa Germany.

And, you know, I had a chance with some other folks

to have a proper chat with Olaf Scholz, their chancellor.

And apparently, the guy is interesting.

In a sense, I always hear from Germans that he's not charismatic.

I think he's that.

But apparently, when he's around medyo intellectual people,

sobrang comfortable.

So, obviously, I cannot share the content of the conversation.

Pwede pa ikaw, nakausap mo.

Ako, na-meet ko siya.

Pero, selfie-selfie lang kami.

Nung...

I mean, he really took time, ha?

And I was very surprised kasi he just had arrived from Jerusalem and Amman

after very tough conversations with, of course, you know who, diba?

And he stayed until 9 p.m.

So, dinner namin was 6 p.m., 9 p.m.

Three hours yung conversation.

And naging intense, ha?

Naging intense.

Especially yung mga ibang kasama namin.

Talaga, they raised big issue, very sensitive.

Ako naman, more in terms of how to move forward.

Especially sa Pilipinas.

Kasi alam mo naman, Ronald, ang line natin.

It's all good for the Philippines to get statements in support of our stance on West Philippine Sea.

But at the end of the day, we need capacity building.

We need strategic investments, diba?

And the way I explain strategic investment, it's like talent scouting.

Diba kung nagka-talent scout ka,

you don't necessarily go for that kid who's right away ripe and has everything.

Sometimes, you go for that kid who's right away ripe and has everything.

Sometimes, you go for that kid who's right away ripe and has everything.

You go for the one na medyo kulang, medyo hilaw.

But you know that kung bibigyan mo ng chance to invest in this person, eventually...

Well, that's the story of Ronaldo and Messi in many ways.

So, ang Pilipinas, obvious may problematize sa corruption, regularity, red tape.

But we are a frontline state.

We're a very important state.

We're the fastest growing economy in Southeast Asia.

And I felt now with Europeans, there's a lot of sympathy for us.

Yes, you have a Marcos again there.

But at least there's an idea that the Philippines as a nation is fighting back.

It's making up time for the time lost under Duterte.

I just felt, Ronald, the respect na...

Kasi parang...

Alam mo rin yan, panon ni Aquino rin.

Hindi tayo sineryosa as much as we should have been taken seriously noon.

Parang taken for granted ng Pilipinas noon.

But now, and obviously it's not because of Marcos.

It's because there's a belated realization na itong Philippines, we shouldn't forget them.

And you know, my conference actually in Germany was about Global South.

So, India.

Brazil.

South Africa.

Indonesia.

And then ako yung kinuha nila from Philippines.

So, actually, konti lang kami from East Asia.

Dalawa lang yata kami.

Dalawa tatlo.

And for me, I feel good na they consider us as one of the rising middle powers

or rising forces in Global South.

And at the same time, I told them, here in the Philippines,

we feel more Western than ASEAN and all.

But you know, so what I'm saying, Ronald, is nasa sweet spot na tayo.

Eto na, we're in this moment.

So, as much as we make fun of BBM's travel and all of that,

which sometimes is really, lalo yung mga Formula One,

malapit na mag-Taylor Swift yan,

I see the value of him engaging the rest of the world

because I think the rest of the world wants to do things

that they were not able to do nung panahon ng Duterte.

Ikaw, anong baso mo dito?

Eh, mahalaga yung sinasabi mo na yung meeting mo na yan,

na sweet spot-spot tayo at pinapansin na tayo ngayon.

Dahil nung June 2022, nung pumunta ako sa Germany,

na-meet ko yung head ng ruling party, si Saskia Esken,

at co-chairman niya, si Schultz, yung chancellor,

at nagsalita ko sa German parliament, sa Bundestag,

nandun yung lahat ng political parties,

from the left to the right, yung AFD.

First time ko na-meet yung AFD,

na ngayon ay lumalakas sa Germany, yung mga kung ano yan.

So, bago ako nagsimula magsalita,

parang kung ano sila eh, restless sila,

parang dumalo lang sila to comply dun sa imbitasyon,

siguro sinabihan sila,

para nung kanilang mga party leaders,

nung kanilang institute,

o makinig kayo rito, et cetera, et cetera.

Pero wala yung kanilang attention dun sa topic ko,

which is the South China Sea.

Until I pounced upon a tactical opportunity to get their attention.

Sinimulan ko yung aking speech by saying that

the South China Sea is the next Ukraine.

O yun, lahat nakikinig.

Of course, it's not accurate.

Of course, it's not precise.

Pero you got their attention.

Ibig sabihin, kinakailangan ko palang ganung gimmick

para makuha ang kanilang attention.

Dahil nga, malahayong malayo sa kanila yung mundo natin.

Kaya, two years after, sabi mo nga, we're now in a sweet spot.

Ngayon, yung mga friends ko sa Germany,

nagpapadala sa akin ng mga clippings galing sa Der Spiegel,

dahil nasa headline yung ating atin ito, Christmas Convoy sa Ayungin.

Ibig sabihin, lumalabas na tayo.

All over the world.

Sorry, akala ko andiyon yung mga pictures ni BBM with his Royce Royce.

Nadalatay, hindi pinapansin.

Ngayon, everybody knows about the West Philippine Sea.

They're using the term West Philippine Sea, hindi lang South China Sea.

Everybody knows atin ito na isang ragtag group ng mga civil society

na nagsama-sama last October at bumiyahe last December.

At ngayon, balak na naman bumiyahe sa Scarborough.

So, parang in a few months, biglang nagmamarka na tayo.

Not just because of the trips of BBM.

Kung hindi, people are noticing itong part na ito ng ating mundo.

Kaya, magandang segue ito sa ating usapan ngayon dito sa episode neto.

Okay, this is where medyo ninenervused ako kasi may kasama ako from another Asian country.

Actually, kaibigan ko ito.

And who knows, he may end up as the next foreign minister of this country.

And we had a lot of conversation about things.

Parang ang position nila ang layo sa atin sa Pilipinas.

Which is generally stable ang situation sa South China Sea.

China is a huge source of trade and investment.

Which in their case is kind of realistic, right?

And in fairness naman ba ito?

Kaibigan nga ito.

So, parang ang stance nila is naintindihan namin ng Pilipinas ganito ang situation nila.

Pero parang unique daw yung situation natin.

And because we have US ally.

Now, having said that, ako naman ang worry ko dito is baka mag-overcompensate dun sa mga kakulangan ni Digong.

In a sense that, okay, maganda naman mag-stand up sa China.

Mag-assert ng ating sovereign rights.

And ang kagandahan ng mga alaman at saka mga Europeans that have dealt with, the British, the French,

is they also understand we middle powers or emerging middle powers have to cooperate more.

Ang concern ko dito Ronald, correct me if I'm wrong is,

I mean, there will be balikatan exercises in Batanes.

Huge movements happening across the north of the Philippines.

Ilocos! Ilocos!

Yeah, and I'm hearing the Americans may put some very high level weapon systems there.

I was just talking kanina to someone who's very, very informed this morning.

Jet lag ako inos. I need to do this.

Now, I understand the explanation.

The explanation is, it's just a matter of time before China wants to do something crazy.

So, we have to go strong against it.

By bringing in as much help and all.

Ang worry ko lang dito Ronald, and probably this is the progressive in me,

after all, right?

Is baka naman we swing too hard in the right other direction.

And this will trap us.

Or at least limit our options.

Because I still want the Philippines to fight for Philippines national interest.

And not be overly tethered to the strategic calculus of another country

who may soon have a Donald Trump in charge.

I'm just saying, right?

I'm just saying.

It's a very...

It's more than 15% chance na manalo si Trump next year.

So, do you want to be militarily tethered to that kind of politics, right?

Well, meron kang tatlong polls ngayon.

Yung isang poll, ito yung gawin natin parang,

kung ano ito, parang isang noodle soup.

Yung tatlong magkakaibang issue, ipaghalo-halo natin.

Una, yung usapin ng West Philippine Sea.

Yung ating victory sa UNCLOS.

Yung pagbubuo ng artificial islands sa ating EEZ.

At yung plano na paalisin tayo totally doon sa Ayungin, Sierra Madre, sa BRP Sierra Madre,

sa Scarborough, Bajo de Masinloc, Recto, Mischief Bank.

Totally, tanggalin tayo dyan.

At talagang lagyan nila ng wall ng artificial islands.

Yan yung ating issue na kinukan nga.

Yung isang issue naman ay yung freedom of navigation.

Sa high seas.

Sabi nga ni BBM doon sa trip niya sa Germany,

60% of global trade passes through here.

Hindi naman totoo yun. Siguro mga 40 or 250 at most ng global trade.

Pero enough.

Ronald, baka may ibang trade na hindi natin alam. May under...

Enough for the whole world to take notice and to care.

Atikatlo yung Taiwan.

As far as I know, we still recognize the one China policy.

Ang nagbago ay yung strategic ambiguity ni Kissinger ng Americans ay hindi na ambiguous.

They will defend Taiwan militarily kahit one China policy pa rin yung kanilang recognition dyan.

So ito, naghahalo-halo.

As far as we're concerned, dapat hindi maghalo.

Pinayagan natin yung halimbawa yung EDCA.

Para sa usapin ng West Philippine Sea.

To some extent, freedom of navigation.

Pero primarily, West Philippine Sea.

Dahil sobrang dehado tayo naman.

Sobrang dehado tayo vis-a-vis the biggest navy in the world.

And the second most powerful superpower in the world.

Yan yung kuha natin.

Pero ayaw din natin maging dependent sa kanila.

No?

Ang kinukulang natin in a worst case scenario.

Halimbawa, durugin yung Sierra Madre.

Halimbawa, ay talagang totally maglagay ng wall of artificial islands sa ating EEZ or even sa border ng ating sovereign territory.

Ay mahalaga na mayroong mga bansa na willing tumulong sa atin.

Not necessarily to go to war for us.

Pero at least magbigay ng pressure dito sa second most powerful superpower na nagiging aggressor natin.

So yun yung kuha natin.

Pero ibang usapin yung Taiwan.

The last time I looked, malinaw sa ating konstitusyon na we denounce war as an instrument of foreign policy.

Kaya, halimbawa, kung may maglalanding sa...

Halimbawa, merong dumating sa Batanes last month at ina-explore na magbuo ng kampo yan.

Kahit wala yan sa EDCA.

Eh, dapat naman tutulan natin dyan.

Dahil clearly, yan ay for the Taiwan issue.

At para yan ay mangyari, kailangan niyang pagdebatihan.

Kailangan niyang pagtalunan.

At kailangan niyang pagpasyahan ng both houses of congress.

Hindi yan pwedeng gawin unilaterally ng defense establishment, ng security establishment.

Hindi yan pwedeng decisionan simply by the president.

Mahabang proseso yan.

Siyempre, nakakomplicate yan because we have almost 200,000 OFW sa Taiwan.

Ibang usapin pa yun.

Pero hindi pwedeng paghaluin yan like a noodle soup.

Na lahat yan ay magkakadikiran.

Magkakadikit.

Kailangan meron din silang separation.

In a compartmentalized approach.

Yes.

Dahil ngayon kasi pinaghalo-halo na eh.

Pinaghalo-halo na.

Before we know it, we may be sleepwalking into a war we never decided on or where we never discussed even.

Yun yung problema.

Kung pupunta tayo sa ganyang klaseng fundamental na issue ng foreign policy,

Kung pupunta tayo sa ganyang klaseng fundamental na issue ng foreign policy,

At the very least, kailangan ma-process natin as a nation.

Nasa ngayon, definitely hindi.

My whole of nation approach. Not to mention,

It's one thing for the president to make the right decision in peacetime.

But is this the kind of president who can step up to the plate if things go a little bit crazy?

That's the other thing.

Does Marcus Junior have the temperament if talagang lumaban ng China?

It doesn't have to even be a war.

It could be some major sabotage activity.

Infrastructure attacks.

Infrastructure attacks.

Cyber attack.

China can respond in many ways.

Is this president ready for that?

Or is he going to rely on Americans to fight back against all of these things?

Yun yung inayong sinasabi ko.

There's nothing wrong with being right.

But if you're going to go down the heroic journey, make sure you can be heroic when the challenge comes.

Tulad ngayon, yung parating nabalikatan will be in a low cost.

Ibig sabihin talagang hindi yan usapin lang ng West Philippine Sea.

At the very least, pag-usapan natin. Pagdibatihan natin.

Labasa ko na lang sa news.

Yung next balikatan with France and the US ay nasa Ilocos.

Hindi ko alam kung bakit ang West Philippine Sea yung pupuntahan doon.

Pero kung hindi, definitely Taiwan yan.

Definitely Taiwan yan.

Tapos ang alam ko, mayroon ng mga pumunta sa Batanes several weeks ago.

For what?

It's not even, walang ed ka dyan.

So, what is that for?

Well, nakira natin amantago yung dalawa, tatlong Chinese research vessel na nandun sa ating eastern seaboard.

Sig-zagging. Hindi yan innocent passage.

Clearly, minamap nila yung ating eastern seaboard.

Not only for natural resources, but probably for war.

For military purposes.

Kaya ayoko na bigla na lang magising tayo na nasa gera na tayo.

But yung nga, Rural, again, it doesn't have to be a war.

It could be a situation whereby dahil mainis ang China, dahil hindi niya masuguran ng Taiwan, dahil ang ipit na yung situation.

Ang gagawin nila, titirahan nila ang Pilipinas just to show their tantrum.

Di ba? Kasi dahil we think eh.

Wars happen most of the time because of accidents.

Di ba?

Because of accidents.

Or short of war, right? China is a master of gray zones.

So, they could still hurt us in many ways, di ba?

Short of a war situation.

Yun na lang sinasabi ko eh.

Because if you look at the upcoming summit of BBM, Shishida, and Biden in White House, a lot of that is gonna be about Taiwan.

Obviously, it's not just South China Sea.

Now, I understand that there has to be preparation.

Because bakit ang mga Chinese nandun din sa Philippine Sea, sa Aurora, and all?

Because yun ang dadaanan ng mga Amerikano if ever mag-intervene sila.

So, Chinese want to essentially close down the highway.

Pagpatuloy lang ako, Big R. Yan yung isang poll.

Yung isang poll naman ay totally, totally huwag tayong sumama dyan.

Totally magsara tayo.

Totally huwag nating iprovoke yung China.

Which is naman very pro-China.

Diba? Very pro-China naman.

Parang mag-demilitarize tayo kahit wala tayong i-demilitarize.

Dahil wala naman tayong militarize.

Wala kang leverage.

Wala kang leverage.

So, talagang iniiwang mong vulnerable yung ating mga frontliners.

Ating Coast Guard, yung ating fishermen, et cetera.

At talagang halos binibigay mo na sa China yung buong West Philippine Sea which is bigger than our landmass.

Which is perhaps richer than our entire landmass.

Masyado namang cop-out yan.

Naniwala ka man lang banat or criticism sa China.

Nakita ko yung mga statements nung ilan natin mga kaibigan.

Wala man lang one sentence criticizing yung aggression ng China.

Wala man lang one sentence criticizing yung pag-build nila ng artificial islands within our EEZ.

Yan naman yung isang poll.

Or pro forma lang. If they mention it, it's just to say lang may sinangabi sila.

Meron naman tayong third poll na hindi naman magpo-fold simply dyan sa dalawang poll na yan.

Yes, kailangan natin ng tulong ng mundo but we have to rely first and foremost sa ating sariling strength.

Hindi pa nga natin na-o-organize ang ating mamamayan.

Hindi pa nga natin na-o-organize yung ating civil society.

Doon muna tayo mag-focus.

At yun nga yung purpose.

Doon nga yung purpose sana nitong civilian convoy, the first of its kind.

Para sabihin na hindi naman necessarily na-armed tayo para i-claim natin na itong West Philippine Sea ay atin.

Hindi naman kinakailangan tayo maging armed para protectahan yung ating fishermen at yung ating civilian coast guard at supportahan sila.

Hindi naman natin kinakailangan maging pro-US para gawin ito.

Yun naman lang sinasabi natin.

Kaya kailangan pang palakasin yung ganitong klaseng pole.

Hindi lamang para maging fulcrum dito sa mga antagonistic poles na sinusubukan to get at each other's neck.

Kung hindi, para makita na most Pilipinos nandito are peace-loving pero at the same time hindi duwag.

Critical sa China.

Pero hindi naman.

Pero hindi naman nagu-joke ng gera.

Nationalistic but peaceful.

So kinakailangan mas strengthen yung ganitong klaseng pole.

Para hindi lang tayo mahulog doon sa dalawang pole.

Yun lang naman sinasabi ko.

Thank you very much, Ronald.

I think we have covered a lot.

So exactly on time natin tinatapos ito.

I'm just glad that we look at all of these angles.

Kasi yun nga ang tendency ng tao is to think of things binary.

O saan tayo tataya.

But there's always a better way.

As Buddha said, there's always the middle path, right?

Or third way.

So that was always my guiding principle.

The sound of one hand clapping.

Exactly.

So my point is we always have this tendency of wild swings between some extremes.

And that always.

Kasi ang isang fear ko Ronald is dahil concerned ng mga ibang grupo is baka makabalik ang mga Dutertes 2020.

Dutertes 2028 or whatever.

I-forward deploy na nila lahat ngayon kay BBM.

Do you get what I'm saying?

Like hindi tayo sigurado kung tatagal ito.

Like you know, use it or lose it, right?

Parang andiyan na si BBM.

Lagay na natin lahat ang ilagay natin doon para kahit manalo si Sarah hindi niya matanggal lahat yan.

Do you get what I'm saying?

So ang fear ko dito is baka mag-over-forward deploy itong mga Western allies and partners.

And to be honest, I'm not sure if BBM is the best guy to make sure of.

You get what I'm saying?

Like that's my fear na to ensure against a potential return of a pro-China faction in Philippine politics,

they will go like 100 over 10, right?

Instead of steady, slow, careful, calibrated.

Kaya Big R, dapat yung foreign policy natin mas diversified eh.

Dahil lahat naman ito may kanya-kanyang national agenda.

Kahit kasama sa Quad ang India,

may ibang agenda yan, no?

Hindi yan automatically susunod sa US.

Kahit nag-scale up yung relasyon ng US at saka Vietnam,

yung Vietnam ay hindi yan papailalim sa kahit anong superpower, no?

Very independent yan.

Ganun din ang Indonesia.

So kailangan yung ating foreign policy ay hindi lamang monopoly ng isa.

Kailangan talaga very diversified.

At kailangan natin ng mga bagong diplomats na nauunawaan ito.

Sabi mo nga, hindi lang binary.

Dahil karamihan sa ating mga diplomats ang training pa rin,

na-train sila sa isang binary world.

So ganun, no?

At dyan sana mag-scale up ang civil society.

Dahil hindi tayo kaagad ma-impluensyahan ng dalawang polls eh.

No?

Yung ating history, yung ating tradition, yung ating culture,

at to a great extent, even our ideology,

ay make us less vulnerable than sa kanyang klaseng binary polls.

Yeah, I completely agree.

I mean, although I would disagree with the example of Vietnam, India, and Indonesia

because none of them have alliance with the US, right?

So I'd rather look at the example of South Korea or Germany

who are US treaty allies or US allies, but they can say no.

They're allies who can say no.

I mean, we saw that during Trump, di ba?

Merkel really...

No, we're not gonna follow you, Trump.

Inis na inis si Trump sa kanya dahil doon.

So I think, of course, we're not at that level in terms of capacity,

but that should be the target.

We should be allies, but allies who can say no.

Kaya nga sabi ko, everyone talks about the risking from China.

I said we should also risk from Trump if ever he comes back.

So I appreciate actually you...

What I mean, what I mean, Big R, ay...

Itong mga bansang ito ay mas strengthen natin yung relasyon natin sa kanila.

Yun yung ibig ko sabihin.

Yung South Korea and Germany.

I mean, India...

Ano yung Japan, South Korea, matagal na relasyon natin sa kanila because of the US.

Ito mga bago eh.

India, ganun.

India, Vietnam, no?

Turkey, di ba? Turkey is a US ally.

To some extent, Europe.

Dahil ang Europe naman kasi hindi ganun ka-active dito sa South China Sea since forever.

Ngayon lang sila uli pumupunta dito.

So yun yung sinasabi ko na dapat nating strengthen.

Maliban pa dun sa mga kasama na sa ambit ng US.

Right.

Salamat, Sir Ronald.

Mukhang hindi lang puso kailangan talaga.

Pasensya na sa sobrang daldal natin.

But hindi naman kaya jet lag ako in all.

I said I'm not gonna miss this chance for us to have this conversation.

I hope nakikita ng taosan galing itong passion natin dalawa.

Hindi kami nagdadaldal dito ng one hour, two hours, three hours.

Dahil lang gusto lang namin magdaldal.

No, we really feel a sense of urgency.

Both internationally because I think there's a lot of opportunity.

But there's also a lot of risk here.

But also domestically because we think a lot of things that should have been done na common sense hindi na nagawa.

And of course, Ronald, you and I are aficionados of German politics.

And you know how organized they are in Germany.

I mean the day na nagdumating ako sa hotel ko.

So I stayed in Saadlon near the Brandenburg.

So it's just next to the Russian Embassy.

Ang haba ng pila next to that.

I thought like Taylor Swift concert.

And someone said, that's a protest to disrupt the elections of Russia.

And Navalny, the wife of Navalny was actually there.

A few hours just before I came, I saw her picture kasi I followed her on Twitter.

Oh, itong linya to kasi I went there.

So you know like they're constantly fight and contest for things.

Kasi sa Germany, especially the progressives and all, they don't take anything for granted.

They had to fight against Nazis.

Now they have to fight against, I don't know, alternative for Deutschland.

They have to fight against all sorts of crazy stuff.

So they never said, oh tapos na, nagawa na namin.

Berlin Wall came down, happy, let's go.

No, they were never like that.

Every year, every month, they fight for it.

And I was just hoping, sana we have a little bit of that, you know, German dedication.

And the reason I say this, I'm surprised.

And you correct me if I'm wrong, Ronald.

My sense is, Pinoy was a aficionado also of German politics.

I was telling some of my German friends, I said, actually Merkel.

I think medyo in-idol ni Aquino si Merkel.

I mean, I love Bismarck.

I mean, Bismarck is my idea of the ultimate authoritarian.

Like, Lee Kuan Yew is just like a baby of Bismarck.

Right?

So, I don't know.

I mean, siguro, it's easy to dismiss you and me of expecting too much.

Pero hindi ko naman sinabi mag-Germany tayo ng 10 out of 10.

Because the circumstances are different.

Pero kaya natin, yung kalahatan ng mobilization,

yung the way they're fighting for their democracy,

they never take their democracy for granted.

That's why I appreciate about Germans,

sorry, more than Americans or some of the other people, right?

At bago tayo magtapos, gusto ko lang i-clarify,

na hindi lang kami dito passionate ni Richard.

Meron pa mga ibang bagay na passionate ni kami.

Ayan na naman, okay.

MTR, sabi ko, the moment na ganyan ka, sabi ko, ito na.

I-mute na natin.

Ah, sorry.

Sorry, I can't.

Hello, hello.

Why not?

Hello.

Hi.

Salamat.

Baka kasi sabihin nila puro cognitive lang tayo eh.

We are renaissance men.

We are renaissance men.

Alright.

No, thank you to the real R na big R.

And salamat sa lahat naman nang kinik sa atin.

Wow, medyo malaki yung live natin.

Mga 1,500 live time sa hour.

So, I'm pretty proud.

Gusto nila yung drama natin.

Thank you very much, Sir Ronald.

Salamat.

And hopefully catch up soon.

And let's organize more in person also for summer naman sana.

Medyo malamig-lamig.

Kili tayo ng Tagaytay or bagay kasi mainit.

Sige.

Ako sa Cruz, sa Easter.

Sige lang.

God bless and talk to you soon.