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00:00.0
Mga gabi po sa inyo lahat, ako po si Christian Esguerra
00:27.6
Welcome po sa ating episode ngayong gabi dito po sa ating Facts First Podcast
00:32.1
So today is March 25, sana po nasa mabuting kalagayan po kayo
00:37.4
Actually itong panahon na ito dapat medyo nagtitika po tayo
00:41.2
Pero syempre grabe po yung penitensya at yung hinagpis na nararamdaman ng mga tunay na Pilipino
00:47.9
Dahil po dito sa patuloy na pambabalahura, pangaharas, pambababoy
00:53.3
At pambubuli na ginagawa po sa atin ng sina
00:56.9
Diyan po sa ating sariling bakuran, which is the West Philippine Sea
01:02.2
So kumakailan inatake na naman po ng China Coast Guard ang ating resupply vessels
01:10.1
Napapunta po sana sa Ayungin Shoal para mag-resupply po dun sa ating tropa
01:15.3
Alam niyo po yung Ayungin Shoal, pasok na pasok po sa ating Exclusive Economic Zone
01:19.9
200 nautical miles, po kayo maniniwala dun sa mga nagsasabi na tayo pa'y nambubuli sa kanila
01:26.2
Anyway, so binomba na naman ang tubig, yung vessel, at meron po mga na-injure ng mga Pilipino
01:32.5
Ang tanong eh, ano ba yung mga dapat nakakabang natin dito?
01:37.0
So kanina po, nagtero ng isang napakahalagang meeting ng National Security Council at saka yung Security Council ng ating pamahalaan
01:43.7
At makikibalita po tayo dito po sa mga nangyari
01:47.8
Pasensya na po dun sa mga naiinip kanina, napaka-busy po kasi talaga ng guest natin ngayong gabi
01:52.8
Pagpasensya nyo na po, mahaba po yung araw niya, seryoso no?
01:56.2
And we really appreciate the fact that he has taken this time to join us tonight
02:03.7
So I'd like to welcome to our program again, si National Security Council Assistant Director General Jonathan Malaya
02:12.9
Magaling, sir, and thank you for joining us
02:15.4
Yes, good evening, Christian, good evening to all the thousands of people who are watching your podcast
02:22.9
Fans ni Christian, just like me
02:26.2
I'm also a fan, boss
02:28.2
Ba't naman may ganun?
02:30.3
Naka-game face ka rin
02:31.5
In the mood na eh, naka-game face na si Assistant Director General Jonathan Malaya
02:38.6
Okay, anyway, maraming salamat dun sa words of appreciation na yan
02:42.6
Anyway, makikibalita kami, so nagkaroon ng meeting kanina yung security cluster
02:47.0
Tungkol dito sa ginagawang pambubuli ng China, specifically yung latest incident
02:51.6
Ano po ba napakusapan?
02:56.2
Nagpatawag kasi ng, nag-request ng meeting si National Security Advisor Ed Anio to the President
03:03.4
Ay to the Executive Secretary, sorry, to the Executive Secretary
03:07.0
Because napansin namin na medyo tumataas na yung tensyon
03:13.2
There is, kumbaga alam na nga natin na agresibo, mas agresibo
03:17.8
Kasi kung nakita natin yung mga balita kanina, Christian
03:21.5
And we released all these videos and footage, we released all these videos and footage
03:26.2
To the public last Saturday and then nag-invent tayo ng media
03:31.1
Isang oras pong binayo yung ating unay sa May 4, isang oras
03:37.5
And because of that, nagkaroon ng physical injuries yung ating mga tropa
03:42.1
Napapunta sana ng Ayunginsol for them to be able to bring supplies and provisions to our troops there
03:50.3
And mag-rotate ng mga tao
03:51.6
So because of the seriousness of the incident
03:54.5
The National Security Advisor met with the Executive Secretary plus the members of the National Security Cluster. Ngayon, ang purpose ng meeting na ito is for us to make adjustments to our approach and to recommend these adjustments to the President.
04:15.0
Okay, napaka-importante. Actually, ito yung mga pag-uusapan natin, adjustments to the approach. Marami nagtatanong at marami tayong mga kababayan na frustrated. Lagi nang binobomba yung ating mga tropa, yung ating resupply mission. Ano ba yung mga pwedeng gawin na hakbang para kahit pa pano siguro magdalawang isip yung China dito sa ginagawa nila?
04:34.7
You know, Christian, kung frustrated yung ating mga kababayan, ano pa kaya kami sa National Security Council?
04:43.1
Kasi kami yung naatasan ng ating pamamagitan.
04:45.0
Napamahalaan. Napamahalaan yung ating West Philippine Sea kasi nga ito yung yaman, yamang dagat na magagamit sana natin sa ating pag-unlad bilang isang bansa.
04:57.9
There are, we have several options in mind. Unfortunately, Christian, hindi naman ako academic. I am a government official.
05:05.9
And itong mga discussions na ito will have to be brought to the President. And the decisions that will be rendered.
05:15.0
And I am sure ipapaalam po sa ating mga kababayan. Pero as of now, because of national security considerations, I cannot share what those options are.
05:26.3
Baka kasi we cannot be telegraphing our moves to China.
05:31.4
Okay, we understand yung national security implications niyan. Pero ito on principle, no?
05:36.4
Kasi yung ginagawa ng China kasi sinasagad nila yung mga pwedeng gawin na panghahara sa ating mga vessels na hindi umaabot.
05:45.0
Natatawag na armed attack, no? Kasi that would trigger the mutual defense treaty with the US.
05:50.5
Pero yung paggante, gamit din yung pagbomba ng tubig. Pag binobomba tayo ng China Coast Guard. On principle, no? Is that an option?
06:00.1
Well, napag-usapan na po yan ng ilang beses, no? Pero hindi natin nakikita yung benefit noon.
06:11.9
Kasi parang ang mangyayari kasi dyan is pagalingan.
06:15.0
Pag-usapan na tayo ng mga water cannon, no?
06:18.6
Just imagine, in terms of laki ng mga barko, ang China, mas malaki yung kanilang mga barko kumpara sa atin.
06:32.1
Meron tayong mga Japan-made na mga Coast Guard vessels na almost 100 meters, around 97 or 98.
06:39.8
Pero hindi pa rin siya kapantay. Malaki siya, pero hindi siya kapantay ng China.
06:45.0
Kahit yung mga kagamitan nila, in terms of water cannon, hindi rin ganun kalaki.
06:49.7
So, kumbaga, we are not looking at it. Ang response natin, hindi na rin nakikita sa ganun.
06:57.7
But let me just assure the public and Christian na kung iniisip ng China na hihina tayo, na madadaan tayo sa intimidasyon,
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dahil nakakaroon na tayo ng mga physical injuries or damage to our ships,
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na titiklop na tayo, as I think they expect, they will be in for a rude surprise, no?
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They should not underestimate the Filipino fighting spirit.
07:25.0
Ang pinaglalaban po natin dito ay hindi naman maliit na bagay, no?
07:32.5
We are fighting for the decision of the arbitral tribunal which clearly said that West Philippine Sea is a part of our maritime zone entitlements.
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And ang pinaglalaban natin dito is the rules-based international order and the supremacy of international law.
07:50.7
So, hindi po tayo magpapatinag, notwithstanding what is happening.
07:55.7
Okay. Malinaw naman yan, no? Dun sa mga nag-iisip lang, no?
07:59.4
Kung hindi naman China propagandist, malinaw naman talaga kung sino yung merong legal nakarapatan dyan sa exclusive economic zone natin.
08:07.6
Nabanggit nyo kanina na mas agresibo yung ginagawa ng China lately.
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Ano yung mga possible explanations doon?
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Bakit na mas nagiging agresibo sila doon sa pag-atake ng ating mga vessels?
08:17.5
Well, I cannot... It's difficult for me to speculate, Christian, no?
08:21.1
Mas maganda sana if I was an academic, no?
08:23.5
If I'm an academic, nawala.
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Unfortunately, I speak for the National Task Force West Philippine Sea and anything I say here in your program
08:32.1
may be considered as an official position of government, notwithstanding.
08:36.4
Kahit sabihin ko, it's my own personal opinion.
08:39.6
But, well, at the onset...
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I think they're testing our resolve, no?
08:47.0
They're trying to look for weaknesses or gaps in the way we respond.
08:54.8
Kasi nga, obviously, the intent of China is to weaken us, no?
09:01.2
So, nagpo-probe sila, tinatry nilang baguhin yung lakas ng ating paninindigan.
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But remember, at the end of the day, nandyan pa rin naman ang BRP.
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If we look at it another way, Christian, sila ngayon sa Beijing, may sakit na ulo din sila.
09:22.6
Because they think they own the West Philippine Sea at hindi naman nila tayo mapaalis.
09:30.3
So, sino ba ang panalo utilizing that angle?
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Now, sinasabi ng China, and may mention din ito ng Chinese Coast Guard,
09:42.2
Chinese Coast Guard,
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na whatever happens will lead to Philippine humiliation.
09:49.6
Di ba? Napapayalang daw ang Pilipinas.
09:52.6
But, isn't China the one that is being humiliated?
09:59.2
Kasi, kitang-kita na ng buong mundo kung anong klaseng emerging superpower siya.
10:07.5
So, that kind of bully, that kind of aggression,
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that kind of intimidation,
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that is not the action of a responsible member of the international community.
10:20.8
So, kung meron ditong na na-humiliate, I don't think it's the Philippines.
10:24.8
It's the People's Republic of China.
10:27.8
Incidentally, you mentioned yung sinasabi nila na parang we should be prepared to bear all the potential consequences dito.
10:37.8
Di ba pananakot yan na maliwanag?
10:39.8
Ano bang pagtingin doon ng gobyerno?
10:41.1
Ano ba ang pagtingin doon ng gobyerno?
10:41.8
Actually, kasama yan sa statement namin nilalabas noong Sabado na
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our position will not be deterred by threats or hostility.
10:52.8
Kasi may mga ganun eh.
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There's this veiled threats and hostility on the part of China.
10:58.8
Precisely, the reason is for us to weaken us.
11:04.8
To create fault lines in our position.
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Kasi kung marinig mo naman yung mga supporters nila,
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Christian, kilala naman natin yung mga kung sino-sino yung mga ngayon,
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they're now increasing the warmongering, the threat of war.
11:19.8
Parang, uy, the Philippines should take a step back, rethink its position kasi magkakagera and let's not push China.
11:30.8
That misses the entire point.
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They're the ones that's pushing us.
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Yung ginama natin sa Ayungin is a regular mission.
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We have been doing it for the past how many years, no?
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Ngunit, at walang binagbago yung ating resupply approach.
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Sila yung tumataas yung tensyon.
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So, sila yung clearly at fault here.
11:53.8
Tsaka nga, ilay ko yung inuulit ano, no?
11:56.8
Ano bang, sorry, acronym?
11:58.8
ASEC ba yung tawag sa inyo or Assistant Director?
12:02.8
Ano bang, tamang, ano ba yung tamang acronym sa posisyon?
12:07.8
Well, people call me sa NSA, ADG.
12:10.8
Yan ang tawag nila sa amin.
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Parang katinayo yung dating niya na.
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Hindi, let's not miss the point, no?
12:18.8
Ano bang pakialam dapat ng China?
12:20.8
Eh, sa atin yung Exclusive Economic Zone.
12:22.8
Nandun yung BRP Sierra Madrid tsaka Ayungin Shoal, no?
12:25.8
Kasi dapat lagi natin inuulit yun.
12:27.8
China has no business being in our Exclusive Economic Zone.
12:32.8
Pero that being said, no?
12:34.8
Binapalutang lagi ng China.
12:35.8
Kaya binabomba ng tools.
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Kaya binabomba ng tubig yung resupply mission.
12:38.8
Kasi hindi lang naman daw,
12:40.8
purpose ay yung i-resupply yung tropa na naka-station doon sa BRP Sierra Madrid.
12:45.8
Kundi meron din daw dalang building materials to repair BRP Sierra Madrid.
12:51.8
Ano ba strategy nila?
12:53.8
Intayin mabulok, tapos gumuho.
12:55.8
Then eventually, ma-decommission?
12:57.8
Yan ba yung ba ano nila?
12:58.8
Yan yung long-term goal?
12:59.8
Well, let me answer una.
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Number one, it doesn't, it shouldn't matter kung anong dala natin.
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Kasi una-una, as you said yourself, atin yun.
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It's a long-standing outpost.
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Matagal na yan dyan.
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And whatever we do with our resupply mission is our business.
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Kasi tayo nga yung may hawak yan.
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The Union Shoal is well within our Exclusive Economic Zone continental shelf
13:29.8
and that has been clearly awarded to us.
13:34.8
let me state this, Christian.
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Wala namang lamang construction materials yung unay sa May 4.
13:39.8
In fact, kanina sa GMA, pinalabas ni Joseph Morong yung video wherein napasok ng tubig yung loob ng unay sa May 4.
13:52.8
May nakikita ba tayong construction materials doon?
13:55.8
May nakita ba tayong mga bakal, semento, kung ano-ano man?
14:01.8
Kasi nga, pinakita eh.
14:02.8
So, yung sinasabi nila na, why are we bringing construction materials?
14:06.8
No, we are not bringing construction materials.
14:09.8
Ito yung mahirap eh.
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When China presupposes something, they're escalating the tensions in the West Philippine Sea without clear evidence.
14:19.8
Wala naman silang, they're creating these tensions.
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Even din nga, ano bang pakialam nila kung mayroong construction materials?
14:29.8
Bakuran mo yan eh, diba? Tama ba?
14:31.8
Exactly. Kaya nga sinagot ko ng ganun.
14:34.8
Pero ang nakakatawa is, they're creating problems with the Philippines on something which does not exist.
14:42.8
Okay. Eto, babasahin ko isang comment ng ADG Malaya.
14:46.8
Alam ko kasi this represents a big part of our population that's very frustrated with what's happening.
14:54.8
Of course, I understand kailangan ng nuancing dito. Pero pag-uusapan natin ito.
14:58.8
Comment ni Ian Binondo.
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Daming kuda. Anong aksyon ng gobyerno?
15:04.8
Hain ulit ng protesta? Simulan natin sa kasuha ng threesome, yung mga enabler ng China.
15:10.8
Bakit ang Indonesia kaya pumalag sa China? Ano yan?
15:14.8
I'm not saying that this is the correct action. Pero this is a reflection of the frustrated population.
15:20.8
Well, as I said, we are also frustrated. Kaya nga nagpatawag ng high-level meeting today.
15:27.8
Normally, hindi naman nagpatawag ng ganito.
15:29.8
Because these missions to Ayungin are rutinary missions which we have been doing for so many years.
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Unang-una, pumapalag nga tayo sa China. Kaya nga naiinis yung China.
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China keeps repeating back to claims of agreements in the past, promises in the past.
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Pumapalag nga tayo. Hindi nga natin sila pinapakinggan.
15:59.8
And yung ginagawa natin, kinaiinis nila. So, I don't think it's true na hindi tayo pumapalag.
16:06.8
Pumapalag tayo. Ang gusto nila, sumunod tayo sa kanila. And we are not going to do that.
16:14.8
Okay. Dito naman ADG Malaya. May tanong dito. Si Alex de los Santos.
16:20.8
Ano po hakbang na ginagawa nyo laban sa mga vlogger o political analyst na nagtatanggol sa China tulad ni Harry Roque?
16:29.8
Lagi niya sinasabi napakana daw yan ang US para magkagera.
16:33.8
Well, alam mo kasi Christian and to our, yung nagbigay na ang comment, we are a democracy.
16:44.8
And parang yung mga komunista lang yan. Diba? We respect their rights to say what they want.
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So long as they do not take arms against the government.
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In fact, wala na nga tayong anti-subversion law. So to believe in communism is no longer a crime.
17:06.8
Ang problema natin sa mga NPA is pag nag-ano sila ng armas. Nag-hawak sila ng armas.
17:15.8
Ganon din yan dyan sa mga vloggers na yan. They are just exercising their rights to express their views.
17:24.8
Once they don't cross the line,
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the line into treason, and I'm sure our lawyers would be able to explain that better than me.
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We can't do anything about them. The way to fight them is by spilling out the facts.
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Parang yung disinformation lang yan or fake news. Ilabas natin yung totoo para maintindihan ng ating mga kababayan at wala nang makinig sa kanila.
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Okay, understand dyan yung fighting falsehood with facts.
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Kaya nga may facts first.
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Salamat ah. Pero siyempre napaka-importante dyan sa paglaban sa disinformation.
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In this context, yung Chinese influence operations na napakalawak.
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Meron bang malino na strategy, for instance yung National Security Council, in terms of dealing with the specific battleground,
18:25.8
which is the Chinese influence operations.
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Kasi nga, honestly, hindi naman sapat na sabihin nyo lang yung totoo.
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You also have to understand yung distribution channels kung saan namamayagpag yung mga disinformation na ginagawa nila.
18:37.8
So talk to us about the strategy or kung ano man yung ginagawa ng gobyerno.
18:41.8
Yes, we understand that this is a national security issue.
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We started this effort around middle of last year, nung nakita namin na mabigat pala yung Chinese malign information operations in the Philippines.
18:55.8
Now, we're monitoring itong lahat ng ito para malaman natin yung extent ng who are the actors, what are the activities that they do,
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what are the narratives that they do, nagkaka-attraction ba itong mga ito.
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These are the things that keep us at night. Kasi very important yung cognitive.
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This is part and parcel of hybrid warfare. Ito yung sinasabi mo kanina Christian.
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What China does is just below the level of kinetic warfare, yung quote-unquote gray zone tactics.
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And part of gray zone tactics is what is known as cognitive warfare.
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Creating gaps, creating fault lines in the public, creating misinformation.
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So as to doubt the government position. Lahat yan ginagawa nila.
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So kami naman, we appreciate and we are trying to understand their operations here now.
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We feel it is a security issue.
20:09.8
And we are now working also to update our laws with regards to this.
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Kasi nakita namin that Canada, for example, Australia,
20:24.8
they all have passed their foreign interference acts.
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And then Singapore also just passed theirs a month ago at meron na silang kinasuhan na isang individual.
20:37.8
So we have been talking to our partners and allies on how to craft our own legislation about foreign interference.
20:46.8
And we are also looking at in the future how to fortify our election system.
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Kasi paparating ng eleksyon sa 2025, and then meron pa tayong 2028.
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And ang nangyayari ngayon, mas nagiging uso yung foreign interference in elections.
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So given that we are at the forefront of tensions in this part of the world,
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hindi malayo na magkakaroon din ang foreign interference sa ating mga eleksyon.
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So these are the things that we are doing.
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Ano yung mga parameters na tinitinan nyo in terms of that proposed foreign interference act?
21:20.8
Isa rin kasi sa mga madalas magbanggit niyan na kailangan daw yan si Commodore J. Tariella.
21:25.8
Pero so far, ano yung mga tinitinan yung parameters diyan?
21:30.8
Well, unang-una kasi it's all about, the law itself is all about transparency.
21:37.8
Of course, yung batas, yung bill na kinakraft na namin ngayon sa NSC concerns itself with prohibiting,
21:50.8
government officials, public officials and other entities from receiving foreign funding coming from a foreign power.
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So given that situation, tinitinan din yung batas na kailangan magparegister ka.
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The issue is transparency.
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So if you are, for example, a lobbyist and you're receiving money from a foreign power,
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whether it is the United States, whether it is China, whether it is the UK,
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whether it is North Korea or Syria or whatever country or Iran,
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you must register with government.
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Kasi kung hindi ka mag-register, then that's prima facie evidence of some type of wrongdoing.
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So pwedeng i-compel ng gobyerno na buksan yung books mo, pwedeng buksan ng unblock yung mga bank accounts mo if you do not register.
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So doon pa lang sa registration, nakikita mo yung mga bank accounts mo.
22:48.8
So doon pa lang sa registration, nakikita mo yung mga bank accounts mo if you do not register.
22:49.8
So doon pa lang sa registration, nakikita mo yung mga bank accounts mo if you do not register.
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So doon pa lang sa registration, nakikita ng best practices abroad na makakatulong ito for us to weed out and to expose.
22:57.8
Yung deterrence factor pa lang malaki na. Kaya nakita namin na kailangan din talaga sa ating bansa.
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So far, anong target nyo na maipasa ito? Kakayanan ba ito, for instance, before the 2025 elections?
23:11.8
We hope. Kasi nagsimula pa lang kami sa technical working group this year. Kasi bago ito.
23:17.8
Alam mo Christian, all of these things are new. These things that we're doing now, lahat ito bago.
23:25.8
The threat from foreign interference, hindi naman natin yan na-realize. Na-realize lang na niya natin yan.
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At least me, when I joined the National Security Council in the middle of last year.
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Tati kasi, alam mo naman sa Pilipinas, everybody has their own opinion and we respect people's rights to express their views and opinions.
23:45.8
So, ngayon pa lang natin ito binabalangkas. Kami rin yung nagpupush nung Maritime Zones Act at maganda.
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Papasa na, nag-BICOM na. Ang susunod yung archipelagic sea lanes. Pumasa na rin ito sa House.
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Malapit na rin sa Senate kasi may special committee under Tolentino. Ang susunod naman namin itong a new law on foreign interference and an update to the Espionage Act.
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So, things that we need to do to fortify our legislation against foreign interference.
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Nakakaalama kung sino yung mga mayroong bahid dyan. Pagdating ng deliberations. Maraming papalag dyan sa tingin ko.
24:29.8
This will be a very controversial law but we have to recognize that foreign interference is a clear and present danger to our national security.
24:38.8
Okay. Yung sinasabi nyo kanina na cognitive warfare.
24:42.8
So far, do you think sa monitoring nyo, is that being effective in terms of influencing the Filipino mindset toward what China is doing sa West Philippine Sea?
24:53.8
O limited lang yan sa mga bayaran ng mga propagandista?
24:57.8
Well, we're very optimistic kasi nakikita naman namin yung result ng surveys. May OCTA research survey which showed that the vast majority of the public, around 70-72%, support the Philippine position.
25:09.8
At the same time,
25:12.8
yung Freedom House naglabas ng research study which showed the Philippines as resilient to Chinese disinformation, generally.
25:23.8
Pero when you go to the ground, Christian, iba yung maririnig mo eh. Especially in areas, some parts of Mindanao, some parts of the Visayas, even here in Luzon, makikita mo na may ganung klaseng approach.
25:41.8
Kasi nakikita, nakumbinsi sila na ang ginagawa natin sa West Philippine Sea is pakanalang ng U.S. at ang U.S. ang nagkokontrol ng lahat.
25:51.8
And this kind of approach wherein pumapayag tayo maging puppet ng U.S. is creating the conditions for war.
25:58.8
So we should pull back and disengage from the United States.
26:02.8
Surprisingly, anecdotal, madaming naniniwala dyan.
26:07.8
So it's important and critical na palakasin din natin.
26:09.8
So we should pull back and disengage from the United States.
26:10.8
So we should pull back and disengage from the United States.
26:11.8
It's important na palakanin natin yung civic education, get more people to discuss this issue, make them understand that this is a issue of significant national importance.
26:21.8
Kasi one time may mga nakausap ako, ang sabi, ano pa kailベ namin yan sa West Philippine Sea taga ganito kami?
26:26.8
Malayo yung probinsya nila sa West Philippine Sea.
26:30.8
And then I told them na ang West Philippine Sea, isa yan ang pinagkukunin natin ng isda, and the moment hindi namang makaka-isda ang mga pinagkukunin natin,
26:40.8
mga pangisda ang mga Pilipino dyan,
26:42.6
that can lead to high prices.
26:44.7
In the same manner,
26:45.6
nung nagka-shortage tayo ng
26:46.8
sibuyas or onion,
26:48.8
nagtaasan yung presyo ng
26:50.2
sibuyas sa buong Pilipinas.
26:52.8
So utilizing that same analogy,
26:55.6
hindi dahil wala ka sa
26:57.4
10 provinces facing the West Philippine Sea,
26:59.7
wala ka ng pakialam.
27:00.7
This is a national issue
27:03.1
that everyone should be concerned about.
27:05.7
Nagdagang pa natin,
27:09.3
Darating yung panahon na
27:10.1
mauubos yung supply
27:11.6
galing sa Malampaya,
27:13.8
pero hindi natin ma-explore
27:14.8
yung sarili nating resources
27:16.1
sa ating Exclusive Economic Zone
27:17.6
dahil meron tayong kapitbahay
27:19.1
na makapalang muka
27:20.4
na pinipigilan tayo
27:21.6
from even exploring
27:23.0
the idea or the possibility
27:29.8
nag-start na tayong mag-explore
27:34.3
to the West of Palawan.
27:37.2
Medyo malapit-lapit lang ito
27:41.1
because the President
27:42.2
has already directed
27:45.4
of these oil fields,
27:48.0
may mga reserves.
27:52.7
untapped potential
27:55.7
of the West Philippine Sea
27:58.0
for our energy security.
28:01.7
alam ko malaking issue yan
28:06.5
sa mga pinag-uusapan nyo
28:07.6
sa National Security Council
28:09.1
tsaka sa Security Council?
28:10.1
Is that a cluster
28:10.6
in terms of how to
28:14.9
or the possibility
28:16.6
a platform spreading
28:18.0
Chinese propaganda
28:21.9
I don't know, no?
28:23.0
Hindi mo na ko ganong kalalim
28:26.0
pero pinag-uusapan
28:31.3
pinag-uusapan yan.
28:33.8
meron tayong special committee
28:35.7
sa National Security Council.
28:39.0
sa national security council.
28:46.9
to National Security Advisor
28:52.6
kasi our recommendation
28:54.7
is for the issuance
28:56.1
of a memorandum circular
28:59.1
government officials
29:01.3
about the use of TikTok.
29:10.4
baka mapagalitan ako
29:15.5
we have studied it
29:17.4
recommendations to him
29:21.5
regulation sa TikTok.
29:23.6
Pag pinagalitan ka pa
29:24.7
pwede bang sabihin mo
29:26.1
Ang kulit ko kasi.
29:29.3
memorandum circular
29:32.1
o huwag magdownload
29:34.2
Yun ba yung tinutumbok niyan?
29:36.5
nung natanong ako nito
29:40.0
our recommendation
29:42.4
security cluster.
29:47.5
na nanonood ngayon
29:50.6
from the security cluster
29:55.7
Please don't worry
30:02.0
as the NSA is concerned.
30:03.3
We're just concerned about
30:04.3
the national security
30:05.9
implications for people
30:11.6
people in the police,
30:13.8
intelligence community,
30:17.1
who work in the NSC,
30:18.4
who work in the Coast Guard.
30:22.1
may vulnerabilities
30:23.4
to the use of TikTok.
30:25.3
Because as you said,
30:26.9
many many countries
30:29.7
the use of TikTok
30:30.6
in government issued phones.
30:34.6
for various reasons
30:46.0
for disinformation
30:48.7
many of these countries
30:50.0
have come to the conclusion
30:53.4
is a national security threat
30:56.1
the security sector
30:58.6
Pero napag-aralan ba
30:59.7
yung technical aspect nyan?
31:01.6
devil's advocate lang.
31:03.6
Baka naman overacting tayo
31:05.2
China yung origin
31:08.2
Automaticly takot na.
31:11.7
Napag-aralan namin.
31:13.9
Napag-aralan namin
31:15.9
Kaya nga inabot din
31:39.9
kailan may implement
31:43.6
by all government
31:47.2
security cluster?
32:08.2
this has to be reviewed
32:17.0
immediately issue this
32:18.6
and promulgate it.
32:20.6
At the last point,
32:24.1
and I really respect that.
32:26.9
Identified nyo naman
32:27.8
yung mga propagandista
32:29.5
Napaka-ingay naman nila.
32:33.0
Paano ba pinag-aaralan yan?
32:34.9
Tinitingnan nyo rin ba
32:35.7
kung baka naman may
32:39.9
yung mga unexplained na
32:41.2
infusion of funds
32:43.2
coming from foreign sources
32:48.8
tinitingnan ba yung mga
32:54.7
some months back,
32:56.9
we are monitoring them,
33:00.5
tinatag ko daw sila.
33:03.8
They wrote a letter
33:05.4
to Secretary Eduardo Año,
33:09.0
parang they protested
33:11.9
So sabi ko naman,
33:13.6
ang sabi ko naman,
33:15.2
is that's our job
33:17.3
Hindi naman namin sinabing,
33:18.7
sinusurveillance namin kayo
33:20.0
because ang dating sa kanila,
33:22.7
sinusurveillance ko daw sila.
33:25.8
hindi ko po trabaho
33:26.5
mag-surveillance sa inyo.
33:32.8
look at what you have said
33:35.7
and then nakita ko
33:38.2
is the same talking points
33:41.5
Parang yung sinabi ng Beijing
33:44.5
ng Chinese Foreign Ministry
33:46.2
or the Chinese Coast Guard,
33:48.1
kaparehong-pareho
33:51.1
nung sinabi ko yan
33:55.0
at tinatag na ako
33:56.0
sa mga posts nila,
33:57.5
binabanatan ako sa Twitter,
34:05.6
pinangalanan mo ba sila
34:06.7
o baka naman sila
34:07.4
nag-out sa sarili?
34:10.6
Wala nga akong sinabing
34:14.0
Wala akong sinabing
34:16.8
we are monitoring
34:17.8
these pro-China personalities.
34:20.3
And hindi nila nagustuhan
34:21.5
yung word na monitor
34:22.4
because coming from
34:24.0
the National Security Council,
34:25.8
it's a threat to their
34:27.0
life and liberty daw.
34:32.3
where there are none.
34:35.2
Kaya nga sinabi ko,
34:36.9
kami ginagawa lang namin
34:41.5
eh natutulog kami
34:46.4
medyo natawa ako doon.
34:48.8
may isang DJ sa radio.
34:50.1
Magandang araw po
34:51.6
tapos someone felt
34:54.9
Parang naging personal eh.
34:58.8
ng lahat ng mga pangit.
35:01.9
Parang ganoon yung dating eh.
35:07.5
They brought it to the extreme.
35:09.2
na parang ganoon.
35:12.2
nag-a-out sa kanila.
35:18.8
for what they really are.
35:20.8
kung ako sa kanila,
35:21.7
pagalingan na lang tayo
35:23.9
Wala nang personalan.
35:25.5
Kasi kung sa feeling nyo,
35:30.3
ginagawa rin namin
35:32.4
at sa Coast Guard
35:33.4
at sa iba pang mga ahensya
35:34.5
ang aming trabaho.
35:35.6
And if we don't do that,
35:36.6
eh di ba't pa kami
35:41.4
Assistant Director General
35:43.6
ng National Security Council.
35:46.4
Makikibalita pa ako, no?
35:47.7
Especially dun sa
35:49.0
Memorandum Circular
35:53.9
Pero in the meantime,
35:56.3
dito sa Facts First.
35:58.4
Thank you for having me.
36:01.8
Assistant Director General
36:05.4
ng National Security Council
36:08.2
Sa'ko talaga sabang sinitong mga pinaggagawa ng China dito sa ating mga tropa, no, sa ating mga resupply boats dyan sa West Philippine Sea.
36:23.7
nagkalag kasi yung mga propagandista ng China, no?
36:26.4
Ito po'y huwag nyo kakalimutan lagi.
36:29.9
Don't forget the fact
36:31.2
that in the first place,
36:34.0
China shouldn't be
36:35.3
in our exclusive economic zone.
36:38.2
Wala sila dyan dapat
36:40.1
dahil tayo po'y meron tinatawin
36:42.3
ng sovereign rights dyan.
36:44.9
yung Permanent Court of Arbitration
36:48.9
Nalinaw po yung maritime entitlements.
36:51.5
Sino ba'y may karapatan
36:53.2
200 nautical mile
36:55.6
exclusive economic zone
37:00.3
Pero itong China,
37:01.7
nang aangkin pa rin,
37:02.7
ginagamit yung historical rights claim nila
37:05.8
Permanent Court of Arbitration
37:11.1
So, ang ginagawa kasi
37:12.0
ng mga propagandista
37:13.1
at saka ng China,
37:14.4
minamodel yung issue.
37:16.5
Pag binasa niya yung protesta.
37:17.9
Nagprotesta, alam niyo ba?
37:19.0
Yung China mismo,
37:19.9
nagprotesta sa atin.
37:21.9
After natin magprotesta,
37:23.3
doon sa pangbobomba nila
37:26.2
resupply boat natin.
37:28.9
China pa nagalit.
37:31.8
Tapos yung mga propagandista nila,
37:33.9
tinagtatanggol pa yung China.
37:35.3
Tayo rin nagpaprovoke.
37:37.0
In the first place,
37:37.7
wala nga silang pakailamdapat dyan.
37:39.7
You shouldn't be there
37:40.8
in the first place.
37:43.5
we're bending over backwards.
37:48.1
I understand yung strategy
37:52.1
in terms of dealing with this.
37:53.4
Hindi mo na makalama
37:54.0
kapag bombahan ng tubig talaga dyan.
37:57.5
tinanong ko lang yung kanina
37:58.3
because I understand that
37:59.4
this is the frustration
38:02.1
of many Filipinos.
38:04.0
So, inuulik ko lang lagi yan.
38:07.7
nasagutin lang po ako
38:08.4
isang tanong dito.
38:09.3
I don't know kung totoong tao ito.
38:11.7
I don't know, no?
38:13.8
ng benefit of the doubt.
38:15.5
Ang tanong ng isang
38:18.7
can I ask the host
38:22.7
na minsan hindi na nakakatulong
38:25.5
like you, Christian.
38:27.4
Kung nanonood po kayo
38:28.5
ng Fox First ever since,
38:30.1
tsaka nung miskiwala po po ako
38:32.2
this is how we help
38:34.7
Actually, hindi lang government eh.
38:36.8
Defend what is ours
38:42.4
that China propagandists
38:44.0
have been spreading
38:45.1
in disinformation nila.
38:46.8
Hindi po ito pagngangawa lang.
38:51.7
dito sa programa natin
38:52.6
nakakatulong tayo
38:53.5
sa pagpapaliwanag
38:54.5
ng mga complicated issues
38:56.1
about the West Philippine Sea.
38:57.8
Ilang maliwanagang kayo eh.
38:59.8
Doon sa kung sino may karapatan
39:01.1
dyan sa ating EEZ,
39:02.5
malaking bagay na po yun.
39:04.8
Kasi komplikado po
39:05.7
yung mga discussions dyan.
39:06.8
Hindi naman tayo lahat
39:09.0
naiintindihan yan eh.
39:10.6
Strictly speaking.
39:12.0
pag napaliwanagan,
39:16.8
yan po yung ginagawa natin.
39:18.2
Yan po yung role natin.
39:20.4
We explain things
39:24.2
we talk about what is right,
39:25.7
clearly what is right,
39:26.7
and clearly what is wrong.
39:28.4
Eto, you don't have to be a Filipino
39:29.8
to know what is right or wrong.
39:32.3
Hindi mo kailangan mag-americano
39:33.4
na kumakampus sa Pilipinas.
39:35.5
Tingnan nyo na yung facts.
39:38.9
Gamitin nyo yung ano?
39:42.6
Yung kokote lang.
39:45.3
Kasi gano'ng kanipis yan,
39:46.6
o gano'ng kaliit yung nasa loob nyan,
39:48.1
between your ears,
39:50.1
mauunawaan nyo, no?
39:51.2
Puntahan nyo yung decision
39:52.0
ng Permanent Court of Arbitration.
39:57.0
Di ba meron na yung tinatawag
39:57.9
ng international law?
40:00.5
Pag binasa yung mga sinasabi
40:04.2
international law eh.
40:06.8
kung naniniwala sa international law,
40:08.5
eh bakit hindi nila
40:09.2
nare-respete yung decision
40:10.5
ng Permanent Court of Arbitration
40:18.2
noong nakaraang administrasyon.
40:21.3
si Rodrigo Duterte.
40:23.8
Nababas yung decision
40:24.7
ng Permanent Court of Arbitration,
40:26.3
if I'm not mistaken,
40:27.1
that was July 2016.
40:34.0
Binabi yung China.
40:36.5
arbitral victory?
40:40.2
yung administrasyon niya.
40:41.7
Tingnan nyo yung facts.
40:42.8
Sino ba yung presidente
40:43.7
at saka yung mga alipores niya
40:49.7
sa ganitong sitwasyon eh.
40:52.6
kay Bongbong Marcos,
40:53.7
tama yung ginagawa niyang
41:06.1
yung universe nyo.
41:12.0
yung pro-China policy
41:14.9
Hindi niya tinutuloy.
41:19.8
I've been criticizing
41:20.7
Marcos for so long.
41:22.1
Not because I have
41:22.9
anything personal
41:25.2
Dahil meron mga issues
41:26.5
that he should be answering.
41:28.3
Pero dito sa issue
41:29.2
ng West Philippine Sea,
41:39.7
yung blood pressure ko eh.
41:41.9
Joke lang yan, no?
41:43.2
Ano, pleasing pa rin
41:44.0
naman yung personality natin
41:48.3
nakakabusit yung mga
41:54.5
barang propagandista,
41:56.6
eh, pinapaniwalaan.
41:59.9
in Chinese propaganda.
42:02.0
you don't have to be
42:05.5
Tanggalin nyo muna
42:09.8
Tingnan nyo na yung facts.
42:14.2
sa kwento na ito?
42:22.1
tinitingnan natin
42:24.7
yung conversation
42:28.4
Kasi matagal ko na
42:29.2
naman nating dinigyan eh.
42:31.0
merong galaw ngayon
42:33.3
isang Foreign Interference Act
42:34.7
dito sa Pilipinas.
42:37.0
Sabaka importante po niya,
42:40.4
kaya na lang sumagot nito,
42:41.8
Puntitinan nyo po
42:43.0
sa ating mga politiko.
42:45.0
hindi mo may iwasan
42:45.8
kung hindi magduda.
42:48.8
Pinunduhan ba ng China
42:52.3
Kasi kung makapag
42:53.2
tanggol sa China eh,
42:57.6
Parang wala sa kanila
42:59.0
ang tungkulin eh.
43:02.2
yung interest ng Pilipinas.
43:04.4
kung meron siguro tayong
43:05.8
pero that we have to see
43:08.2
the devil is in the details.
43:10.1
Pero on your part,
43:11.4
kayo mga butante,
43:12.4
tayo mga butante,
43:13.5
eh maging mapanuri tayo.
43:15.5
doon sa nagtanong kanina,
43:17.1
contribution ng media rito?
43:19.3
At least nagagayad namin,
43:21.1
ikaw siguro hindi,
43:22.2
pero yung matitinong tao,
43:24.0
na igagayad natin
43:29.3
ng tamang kandidato
43:31.7
Kung sa tingin mo,
43:36.8
i-connect yung issue
43:37.8
doon sa kandidato.
43:40.5
galit na galit tayo rin
43:41.9
alipores ng China,
43:43.5
yung mga propagandista
43:48.5
pag nakamayan tayo,
43:49.7
minsan nakakalimutan natin eh,
43:55.1
mukhang mabait siya,
43:55.8
ibaboto ko nga to.
43:57.4
Tapos hindi mo naalala,
43:59.1
etong high up na to,
44:00.7
ng matindi dati eh.
44:04.0
huwag niyo kalimutan yun.
44:07.8
kung nagbigay ka nga rin
44:09.5
nag-engage sa vote buying,
44:12.6
hindi natin masisisi
44:13.5
yung marami nating kababayan
44:14.7
kung talagang mag-engage
44:16.1
kung talagang pangangailangan yun.
44:18.6
na may opportunity
44:19.4
to make decisions
44:20.5
not based on gut issues,
44:23.1
ano ba naman yung
44:26.0
itong buwisit na kandidatong to,
44:27.3
ito yung isang katutak,
44:28.1
wagas kung magtanggol sa China,
44:29.5
halos i-benta yung
44:30.9
kasarinlan ng Pilipinas,
44:33.6
ngayon gusto maging senador.
44:35.8
Huwag niyo kalimutan yun.
44:37.5
Maraming ganyan yung mga politikong
44:38.5
kakapal na mga pagmumuka,
44:43.6
rito sa issue na ito,
44:45.1
yung tama at saka mali.
44:46.9
Napakalinaw po niya.
44:48.4
Minamodel lang nila.
44:51.2
Yung papaniwala rin sa ano,
44:54.7
tactics na ginagamit nila,
44:58.0
Yung mga binabanggit dito kayo,
44:59.4
yung pangalan, no?
45:00.0
Kayo nabahala magbanggut niya, no?
45:01.4
Kayo nabahala mag, gano'n.
45:02.7
Mag-discern sa sarili niyo.
45:05.6
it's not rocket science
45:06.7
for you to determine
45:07.4
who these people are.
45:09.2
Akaka pala mga mukha niya
45:19.2
Na-bad trip tali,
45:19.9
na-bad trip tali ako ng slight.
45:22.4
Ang pleasing pa naman
45:23.2
ang personality ko rin
45:24.2
sa bago nating video.
45:25.4
Napanin niyo ba yung bago
45:26.7
Inapload natin kaninang
45:27.7
alas 12 ng tanghali.
45:30.4
ng isang vlogger type
45:32.2
na mini-documentary
45:34.7
tungkol po doon sa
45:36.1
era store concert
45:41.1
Nakakala niyo personal vlog yun.
45:43.3
Yan lang po yung take-off natin.
45:44.6
Pero pinaliwanag po natin
45:45.7
doon sa mini-documentary na yun.
45:48.4
Yung tinatawag na
45:51.6
nandito sa channel natin.
45:55.0
Yung pinaliwanag natin
45:56.7
exclusive yung concert
45:59.4
Dito sa Southeast Asian region.
46:03.2
naiiwan ang Pilipinas
46:05.4
attracting foreign tourists.
46:09.9
Department of Tourism
46:12.8
5.4 or 5.something million
46:15.8
tourist arrivals yung
46:17.7
na-register natin
46:21.0
Na-exceed daw yung target nila.
46:22.8
E kumpara nyo naman
46:23.6
sa Malaysia na number one.
46:25.4
Almost 29 million
46:27.2
yung na-attract nilang
46:33.1
Mas maganda ba yung Malaysia
46:34.2
kaysa sa Pilipinas
46:35.6
tourist destinations?
46:38.8
O, anong pinagkaiba?
46:41.9
yung public infrastructure nila,
46:45.0
O, siguro yung mga
46:46.4
hindi masyadong ganung
46:47.4
katinding influensya
46:48.5
sa ating policy making.
46:50.0
Dito kasi sa atin
46:50.7
hindi meritocracy.
46:51.7
Ma-appoint ka sa posisyon
46:53.0
connectado ko rin
46:59.4
pero napupunta ka
47:00.2
sa isang posisyon.
47:03.2
kung paano ba gagawin.
47:06.4
sa posisyon na yun.
47:07.4
Kulang tayo sa competence.
47:09.2
Inuuna kasi natin
47:11.2
political connections.
47:19.1
West Philippine Sea,
47:20.5
huwag niya po i-vote
47:21.3
yung mga kandidato
47:24.1
ang kapal na muka
47:27.1
interest ng China
47:28.9
national interest.
47:30.7
Huwag din po kayo
47:31.1
magpapaniwala sa kanila
47:32.2
pag sinasabi nila,
47:33.9
eh, kayo naman kasi
47:34.8
gusto nyo magkagera.
47:36.8
madalas magsabi nun?
47:38.9
Di ba Rodrigo Duterte
47:40.0
yung madalas magsabi
47:43.5
Pag nanindigan ka,
47:48.0
Hindi mo natin sinabi
47:48.6
makapaggera tayo,
47:49.6
sinabi lang natin
47:52.5
sa karapatan natin.
47:53.6
Talaga naman kung
47:58.9
between protecting
48:04.9
legal and moral rights,
48:08.0
ang dayo pong pwedeng
48:08.7
gawin in between.
48:13.3
Bakit yung Indonesia?
48:20.3
full-blown war sa kanila?
48:21.6
Meron bang gera ngayon?
48:34.3
bago tayo magtapos,
48:35.3
meron tayong mga babatiin.
48:41.4
ipopromote ko lang yung ano,
48:43.0
i-add ko lang sa stage.
48:48.8
gusto ko lang pong ano,
49:00.7
Invite ko lang po
49:02.2
itong YouTube channel
49:04.2
ng ating kaibigan,
49:09.1
ng CNN Philippines
49:11.7
nakaka-one year na siya
49:13.4
vlogging from Canada.
49:16.6
Ang title ng kanyang vlog is
49:20.5
mga kwentong Pinoy
49:23.4
I'm very proud of her
49:24.3
dahil she's come a long way,
49:27.6
nasubaybayan natin,
49:28.9
yung paninimula niya,
49:31.0
bilang isang vlogger.
49:33.3
Maganda sa kanya,
49:34.1
very engaging yung mga
49:36.4
Filipino life in Canada.
49:38.8
And very helpful,
49:40.5
tsaka instructional.
49:43.2
Kung may time kayo,
49:55.8
Ito may mga babatiin lang po tayo.
49:58.9
Si Glenn Michael Catambing.
50:01.9
Nag-message siya sa akin
50:06.1
So, binabati natin si
50:07.5
Glenn Michael Catambing.
50:09.7
Maraming salamat sa supporta mo.
50:12.8
Tapos, ito nga pala si Ina mismo
50:15.2
Nag-message siya sa akin kahapon.
50:18.8
Yung isang naging interview niya.
50:22.8
Super fan daw ng Facts First.
50:24.4
So, batiin natin siya.
50:27.9
Binabati natin si Sigrid Perez.
50:28.9
Sigrid at saka si Paul Perez
50:31.5
ng Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
50:34.7
Maraming salamat sa inyo.
50:37.6
Maraming salamat sa supporta nyo.
50:39.2
Ingat kayo dyan kay Ina.
50:44.7
nag-message siya natin
50:46.0
yung kaibigan natin
50:46.8
si Felipe Salvoza.
50:54.9
sa ating mga kaibigan
50:56.3
sa Bulacan State University
50:59.6
Miss Maria Cecilia Eugenio
51:03.8
Bulacan State University
51:06.6
College of Arts and Letters.
51:09.4
Si Ma'am Cecilia Eugenio.
51:12.0
Maraming salamat po, Ma'am,
51:15.3
Maraming maraming salamat po.
51:19.6
Ganda naman ang message
51:20.8
ni Ma'am Ninette.
51:21.6
Maraming salamat din po.
51:24.1
Maraming salamat po sa inyo.
51:37.7
Hindi ba ikaw yung classmate ko
51:38.8
nung high school?
51:40.1
Baka ikaw yan, ha?
51:40.9
Huwag mo kong sineser, sir.
51:43.7
Jonathan Trinidad.
51:45.0
Pabati din dyan man dyan
51:46.4
kay Seven Samurai.
51:57.4
Montreal, Canada.
51:58.4
Maraming salamat po.
51:58.5
Maraming salamat po.
51:58.5
Maraming salamat po.
51:58.5
Maraming salamat po.
51:58.5
Maraming salamat po.
51:58.6
Maraming salamat po.
51:58.6
Maraming salamat po.
51:58.7
Maraming salamat po.
51:58.7
Maraming salamat po.
51:58.9
Maraming salamat sa'yo.
52:04.7
Maraming salamat din sa'yo.
52:15.0
Kita-kita po tayo
52:18.5
Guest natin si Llamas.
52:22.0
Pagtsagaan nyo na lang, ha?
52:25.3
So, maraming maraming salamat po.
52:26.6
Ako po si Christian Esguerra.
52:28.0
Magandang gabi po.
