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Should PH ban TikTok amid China’s influence operations?
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Christian Esguerra
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00:00.0
This is part and parcel of hybrid warfare. Ito yung sinasabi mo kanina, Christian, na what China does is just below the level of kinetic warfare, yung quote-unquote gray zone tactics.
00:22.3
And part of gray zone tactics is what is known as cognitive warfare. Creating gaps, creating fault lines in the public, creating misinformation so as to doubt the government position.
00:41.9
Ito yung special committee na binuo sa National Security Council. Tapos na yung recommendations ng committee ito. It's actually on my desk.
00:52.3
I will soon forward it to National Security Advisor Ed Año. I think after Holy Week, kasi our recommendation is for the issuance of a memorandum circular to all government officials about the use of TikTok.
01:10.7
Okay, so ayoko lang pangunahan yung approval ni NSA Año, Christian. Baka mapagalitan ako.
01:19.4
But just to, we have studied it and we have made recommendations to him about some form of regulation sa TikTok.
01:31.3
Pag pinagalitan ka pa, pwede bang sabihin mo na lang? Ang kulit ko kasi.
01:36.2
Maglabas ang memorandum circular, ibig sabihin, huwag gamitin o huwag mag-download ng TikTok? Yun ba yung tinutumbok niyan?
01:42.8
Okay, kasi nung natanong ako nito a few months back, our recommendation was,
01:49.4
was for the security cluster. Okay. So yung ating mga kababayan na nanonood ngayon, na hindi naman from the security cluster, na regular lang na nagti-TikTok.
02:03.0
Please don't worry, we are not going to ban TikTok entirely. And so far as the NSA is concerned.
02:10.8
We're just concerned about the national security implications for people who are working in the security sector.
02:17.0
Like people in the military.
02:18.5
People in the police, people in the intelligence community, people like me who work in the NSC, who work in the Coast Guard, sila po yung nakikita naming may vulnerabilities to the use of TikTok.
02:32.1
Because as you said, many, many countries in the world have banned the use of TikTok in government-issued phones. Okay.
02:40.6
Ang dami niyan for various reasons, from possible use for espionage,
02:48.5
possible use for monitoring, possible use for disinformation and fake news.
02:55.5
So many of these countries have come to the conclusion na TikTok is a national security threat in so far as the security sector is concerned.
03:05.5
Pero napag-aralan ba yung technical aspect niyan? Kasi baka naman, ano naman, devil's advocate lang.
03:11.5
Baka naman over-acting tayo dahil China yung origin ng TikTok. Automatically, takot na.
03:18.5
Napag-aralan namin. Napag-aralan namin na matagal. Kaya nga inabot din ang buwan yung pagka-aral ng komite.
03:26.7
So tapos na yung recommendation. I just have this memo that I have to submit to NSA hopefully by after Holy Week para mailabas na ng NSA to Malacanang yung aming recommendations on TikTok.
03:46.4
Most likely, kailan may implement dyan?
03:48.5
Yung regulation sa paggamit ng TikTok by all government employees ba yan or officials or dun lang sa security cluster?
03:55.3
I cannot say muna, Christian, pending the approval of Malacanang on this.
04:03.2
But I would hope that Malacanang won't take too much time reviewing the MC.
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Kasi alam mo naman, this has to be reviewed by many people.
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Kasi kami, once we have submitted our recommendations, we hope that Malacanang will immediately issue this and promulgate it.
04:27.8
At the last point, ADG Malaya, alam ko you're very busy and I really respect that.
04:34.1
Identified nyo naman yung mga propagandista ng China. Napaka-ingay naman nila.
04:40.2
Paano ba pinag-aaralan yan? Tinitingnan nyo rin ba kung baka naman may pumapasok ng mga pera sa ano nila?
04:46.6
Alam mo na, yung mga unexplained na...
04:48.5
...infusion of funds coming from foreign sources sa kanilang mga bank accounts.
04:55.7
Tinitingnan ba yung mga ganyang bagay, for instance?
04:58.7
Ang problema nga sa kanila, when I said some months back, we are monitoring them.
05:06.7
Kaagad-agad, tinatag ko daw sila.
05:10.9
They wrote a letter to Secretary Eduardo Año.
05:15.3
They protested what I said.
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In response, ang sabi ko naman is that's our job, to monitor.
05:24.6
Hindi naman namin sinasurveillance namin kayo because ang dating sa kanila, sinasurveillance ko daw sila.
05:32.0
Pasensya na po, hindi ko po trabaho mag-surveillance sa inyo.
05:36.4
It's not me.
05:38.4
What I do is look at what you have said in the public and then nakita ko yung sinabi nyo is the same talking points as China.
05:47.5
Di ba?
05:48.5
Parang yung sinabi ng Beijing, ng spokesperson ng Chinese Foreign Ministry, or the Chinese Coast Guard, kaparehong-pareho ng sinabi nyo.
05:57.2
So, nung sinabi ko yan in public, nagalit sa akin at tinatag na ako sa mga posts nila, binabanatan ako sa Twitter, binabanatan ako saan-saan, when I am just doing my job.
06:12.0
Wait, sorry, pinangalanan mo ba sila? O baka naman sila nag-out sa sarili nila?
06:16.6
Exactly.
06:18.5
Wala akong sinabi mga pangalan at the start, no?
06:21.7
Wala akong sinabi mga pangalan.
06:23.3
I just said that we are monitoring these pro-China personalities.
06:27.6
And hindi nila nagustuhan yung word na monitor because coming from the National Security Council, it's a threat to their life and liberty daw.
06:36.0
Sabi ko, these people are seeing ghosts where there are none.
06:41.0
Di ba?
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Kaya nga sinabi ko, kami ginagawa lang namin ng trabaho namin.
06:46.1
If we are not monitoring you,
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eh natutulog kami sa pansitan.
06:51.5
Di ba?
06:53.2
Sorry, medyo natawa ako doon.
06:55.0
Para imagine mo, may isang DJ sa radyo.
06:57.5
Magandang araw po sa inyo lahat, tapos someone felt alluded to.
07:00.9
Binati niya ako.
07:02.2
Parang naging personal eh.
07:05.2
Kaya tugisin na lahat ng mga pangit.
07:08.0
Ba't mukhang pinay personal? Parang ganun yung dating eh.
07:11.2
Correcto.
07:12.1
Ano eh, they brought it to the extreme.
07:14.5
They brought it to the extreme na parang ganun.
07:17.9
Eh, hindi naman ako nag-a-out sa kanila sa social media.
07:22.9
It's the public that is, you know, exposing them for what they really are.
07:27.9
So, kung ako sa kanila, pagalingan na lang tayo ng argumento.
07:30.9
Wala nang personalan.
07:32.9
Kasi kung sa feeling nyo, ginagawa nyo yan dahil mahal nyo ang Pilipinas,
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apparently, ginagawa rin namin sa NSC at sa Coast Guard at sa iba pang mga ahensya ang aming trabaho.
07:42.9
And if we don't do that, eh di ba't pa kami nasa gobyerno?
07:45.9
Kung nagustuhan nyo po itong video na ito,
07:47.7
pakilike at share na lang po para mas paraya pong makakita at makapanood.
07:51.7
Kung gusto nyo po makibalita, follow nyo na rin po ako sa aking mga social media accounts na nakasulat po sa screen.
07:57.7
Pwede rin po kayo magpadala ng super thanks, super likes, super chat at super stickers sa YouTube, saka Facebook stars po.
08:03.7
Alam nyo po, malayo po ang mararating nito para makagawa po kami ng mas maraming video na makatutulong po
08:09.7
sa pagpapakalat ng tamang impormasyon para sa bawat Pilipino.
08:13.7
Kada like, subscribe, follow at share ay pagsuporta po
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sa tunay na independent journalism sa bansa.
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Maraming maraming salamat po.