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00:00.0
Eto na, eto na guys. Kanina yung paboritong show ni Sir Ronald, the real big R, Politiscope. Puyakas siya. Meron silang exclusive with the leading ex-human rights lawyer in the country. Wala na akong ibang maisip na mas maganda pa na ex-human rights lawyer. At of course, arguably the best spokesman that Duterte had. Definitely better than Salvador Panelo.
00:26.4
The biological father of your co-hosts.
00:29.3
I'm not gonna go into those territories. We might get into trouble. But Mark, anong balita dyan? Anong sinabi ni Harry?
00:41.0
Basically, inamin niya na meron ng gentleman's agreement noong panahon ni Duterte.
00:48.1
Let me paraphrase. Binuking niya ng gentleman's agreement.
00:54.3
Nasabi ni Panelo, hindi totoo.
00:56.4
Exactly. At sinabi ni Bato na clueless siya. So that's disqualified. This is booking.
01:02.6
At sabi ni Robin Hood Padilla, nakausap niya si Executive Secretary Medialdea, hindi rin totoo.
01:13.3
And ang kanyang sinasabing rason doon is yun daw yung way para humupa yung tension noong panahon na yun.
01:22.2
Sabi niya, yun yung ginawa ni Duterte na okay na move at that time.
01:28.9
Ewan daw niya ngayon si BBM kung ang malilang daw ng China inassume na itong bagong presidente ay i-honor pa rin yung kasunduan na yun.
01:41.6
So sabi niya, BBM, ikaw ang dumiscarping ngayon kung paano humupa yung problema dyan. Parang ganun yung kanyang mensahe.
01:50.3
Balakad yan. Parang balakad.
01:53.0
Kasi si Duterte, panahon niya, ito yung si Duterte yung ginawa niya, yun.
01:57.7
Eto, baka lang makasuhan tayo. Klarin natin yung sinabi niya.
02:01.4
Dating foreign affairs secretary, Alan Peter Cayetano, na ang tasing doon nila, status quo.
02:09.0
Walang magkagawa ng kahit anong improvements at walang magiging problema.
02:14.1
Okay, so essential yung sinabi niya, hayaan na natin yung magfa-fall apart na Sierra Madre to stay.
02:22.2
To stay that way.
02:23.3
Which Ronald, in effect, would say that you're vacating.
02:26.9
I mean, if you do not fortify the BRP-Sierra Madre which is falling apart, in effect, operationally you're saying you're not gonna hold on to what you have, right?
02:37.3
So, what the heck?
02:38.9
Why would anyone agree to that?
02:43.3
You're going to put our fellow Filipinos there in harm's way.
02:48.6
Anong gagamitin nila?
02:51.0
Anong gagamitin nila?
02:52.9
Para ipagdikit-dikit yung kinakalawag na barko?
02:56.6
Walang magiging masyadong rugby.
03:00.5
Just to emphasize the point.
03:06.2
Wala akong ibang salitra dyan.
03:09.5
Yan ay kataksilan.
03:12.2
No less than by the highest politician in the country, the president.
03:20.2
Kaya ang advocacy ko, magkaroon ng congressional at saka senate hearing in aid of legislation
03:27.9
para malaman talaga ano ba talaga yung kasunduan na yan?
03:31.1
Anong titalyo niyan?
03:33.5
Totoo ba yung sinasabing ni Harry Crocker?
03:35.7
Sorry to cut you.
03:37.8
Obviously, hindi si Robin Hood Padilla.
03:39.4
So, are you proposing Senator Cayetano?
03:43.9
Dahil nagbagit siya eh.
03:45.1
Siya pala yung foreign secretary nung nangyari yan eh.
03:50.2
Ay baka culpable siya to say the least.
03:53.7
Sa pangyayari na yan.
03:55.4
So, dapat naman siguro i-inhibit niya yung sarili niya.
04:00.9
Pag pinag-usapan diyan.
04:02.2
At yung head ng maritime committee sa senate, si Francis Tolentino,
04:09.3
baka kailangan din niyang i-inhibit dahil kapartido niya yung presidente, PDP Laban,
04:14.4
at siya ay cabinet secretary dati ni Presidente Gong.
04:17.7
So, sino kaya ang magkakukuan?
04:20.2
Ang mag-o-organize niyang senate hearing na yan?
04:23.6
Si Robin Hood Padilla?
04:26.6
Mag-i-interesting yan.
04:28.3
Kasi magbubuking.
04:29.4
But just to be clear,
04:30.4
the DFA has absolutely denied that they have ever agreed to anything like that.
04:35.2
So, klaro yung statement ng DFA earlier this month.
04:39.0
And the DFA wishes to underscore that the Philippines is approaching
04:41.7
this confidential negotiations with utmost sincerity and good faith.
04:45.9
We're therefore surprised by China's disclosure of sensitive details
04:49.4
of our bilateral...
04:50.2
bilateral discussions which of course right now si Harry Roque is even defending, right?
04:54.8
So, opposition nila is first of all,
04:57.0
there were some discussions meaning China proposed some crazy stuff.
05:00.5
But DFA also made it very clear,
05:02.2
hindi kami nag-agree because this is contrary to the national interest.
05:07.1
So, hindi dininay ng DFA na China may have made a proposal along those gentleman's agreement.
05:15.2
Pero ang head ng DFA noon, si Alan Peter Cayetano.
05:17.9
So, kung nag-agree,
05:20.2
hindi si Alan Peter Cayetano, hindi pwedeng sabihin ng DFA na hindi sila nag-agree.
05:24.9
At least yung sekretary ng Foreign Affairs noong palahon na yun, nag-agree.
05:29.5
Kaya nga, kailangan...
05:30.9
Kaya nga, kailangan pag-usapan sa isang hearing eh.
05:38.5
Dahil, binding ba yan?
05:40.4
Ang sinasabi ng ibang abugado, kahit oral yan, binding yan.
05:44.6
Ang sinasabi niya, Harry Roque, hindi, hindi yan binding sa susunod na presidente.
05:48.6
Binding lang sa amin.
05:50.2
So, ano ba talaga kuya?
05:53.2
Ano ba talaga yung totoo?
05:54.8
Pero una, kailangan malaman yung detalye.
05:57.7
Magsalita si Secretary of Foreign Affairs, then Alan Peter, magsalita si Digong,
06:04.7
masalita yung mga involved dyan.
06:08.4
At ngayon, pag-usapan ng mga abugado, ng mga constitutionalists, yan ba ay binding?
06:14.0
Ronald, binding lang siya if it comes openly from the president.
06:17.8
So, for instance, when President Duterte opened,
06:20.2
when he questioned the arbitration award, yun yung warning ni Carpio, di ba?
06:23.7
That this could be potentially binding.
06:25.1
This is based on some Scandinavian precedents.
06:27.2
I think the case of Norway or Denmark.
06:30.3
Kahit oral yan, kung galing yan sa presidente,
06:34.9
ang sinasabi ng mga ibang abugado, binding yan.
06:37.5
Binding yan, yeah.
06:38.8
But I don't remember, do you remember Duterte saying anything?
06:42.6
I don't think so.
06:43.7
I mean, Duterte is smart enough to not say anything openly on that.
06:46.2
Ang nagsasalita pa lang ay si Harry Roque.
06:49.1
At kinokontra pa.
06:52.6
Kinokontra pa ni Medialdea at saka ni Panelo.
06:56.1
Pero, eh, sinusuportahan ng China.
06:59.5
Na ginawa nga ni Digong yan.
07:01.7
At this point, baka maniwala ako sa China.
07:05.8
Actually, I mean, between the two of them, mas believe ako sa China, to be honest.
07:10.1
Ikaw, Mark, yung kaibigan natin, the good one,
07:13.9
baka naman si JVRC to can take up the cudgels, di ba Mark?
07:16.8
Kasi medyo strong yung statement niyan sa mga West Filipinas.
07:19.1
Yan si Issues ngayon, di ba?
07:22.4
E, o, eh, tapos, eh, hiwas din ano, eh.
07:24.5
Nakikipag-away pa nga yan sa mga, ano, eh.
07:26.6
Sa mga sinasabing niyang vloggers na, na who we said is being sponsored by China, di ba?
07:33.5
So, posibleng siguro si Senator JV kung ano niya yan.
07:38.3
Pero, eh, nga, ngayon lang ako na, ngayon ko mas naiibindihan yung sa case hearing from you guys, eh.
07:44.9
And, ah, pero, pero possible ba yun na,
07:49.1
may agreement na gano'n,
07:50.7
tapos ang nakakaalam lang yung presidente lang,
07:52.6
tsaka yung kabila,
07:53.6
na parang secret na wala siyang sasabihan sa iba sa gobyerno?
07:58.2
Baka yun nga, ah, siguro, Ronald,
08:00.0
I'll be honest, okay?
08:01.3
My understanding is China was expecting Dutertes to stay forever,
08:05.1
or yung susunod sa Duterte will be the same guy more or less.
08:09.2
And I can, sa bagay, parang maawa ka nga sa China,
08:12.2
kasi pinaasa sila ni Digong,
08:14.4
pinaasa din sila ni BBM, di ba?
08:16.5
Sabi ni BBM, I agree with you.
08:19.1
in a way, agree with you talagang China, di ba?
08:22.0
Kasi pinaasa sila ng dalawang unit team na yun, eh.
08:26.2
Kaya tama kayo, mas maniwala ko sa China, to be honest, eh.
08:29.6
Oh, ah, pwede bang sabihin na poetic justice?
08:33.1
Well, I mean, I think that's, that's, that's for, ah,
08:36.4
PG-8, PG-13 friendly.
08:38.8
I was wondering something else.
08:40.5
Which makes me wonder, Mark,
08:42.2
anong ginagawa ni Harry Roca dito?
08:44.1
Kasi, kontrari siya, eh.
08:45.6
Bato is saying, wala akong alam dyan.
08:47.4
He literally said, I'm clueless.
08:49.1
Which is, maganda yan.
08:50.2
I'm clueless, bato, di ba?
08:52.0
Sabi daw ni Executive Secretary Mediateam.
08:54.5
Exactly, actually, nandito siya.
08:55.9
So, anong, eh, kilapaamak na yung, yung, ano niya, yung team niya.
09:00.9
Hindi, ang tanong nga, is that part of their, ano eh?
09:04.0
Kung baga, I don't think na maglalabas lang yan ng sarili ng niyang,
09:07.5
is that part of their larger strategy?
09:10.0
Na, hindi na natin kayang din na yan.
09:13.0
Sige, aminin na natin yung totoo.
09:14.6
Tapos, i-ano na lang natin na, na, pag dito,
09:18.1
nung panahon ni Duterte, walang ganyan.
09:20.2
Ngayong panahon ni Marcos, baka mag-lead yan to a possible war.
09:24.2
Parang gano'n na lang yung narapibo na gagawin.
09:26.0
Is that part of a larger plan?
09:27.2
That's a narrative. Actually, you're correct.
09:28.9
That's a narrative na,
09:30.0
you can say whatever you want about this gentleman's agreement,
09:33.3
but at least we kept the situation under wraps, di ba?
09:36.0
In first place, kuha mo yung narrative na.
09:38.6
Pero una, Mark, ay, kung babalikan natin, last December,
09:42.3
kinontra ni Panelo yung sinabi ni Harry Roque tungkol sa ICC.
09:46.2
Na, alam ni Digo,
09:48.1
kung sino yung behind sa ICC.
09:50.8
Kinontra niya yan.
09:51.9
Nung sinabi ni Harry Roque na tinawagan siya ni Digo,
09:54.8
dahil parating ng ICC, kaya dilisband na yung task force nabaw.
09:59.5
Ang sabi ni Harry ni Panelo, hindi naman siya tinawagan eh.
10:02.8
So, even within the, sa kampo nila, medyo may mga disabilitan.
10:07.8
Ang tanong ba, kasama pa ba si Panelo?
10:10.3
Ano ba role ngayon ni Panelo doon?
10:12.2
Kasi si tatay Harry Roque, medyo nag-get ko pa yung kanyang role doon eh.
10:17.0
Yung kanyang item tag.
10:18.1
With it, I don't, di ba?
10:19.7
Di ko talaga gusto na parang nagiging abogado siya for China.
10:23.6
Pero si Panelo, may role pa ba siya doon sa buong operations na yan?
10:26.8
Ang sabi ni Panelo, siya yung laging katabi ni Digong.
10:30.8
Hanggang ngayon ba?
10:31.7
Hindi katulad ni Harry Roque.
10:36.1
Parang mga pinag-aagawan nila like lovers eh si Digong.
10:39.9
Mayroon tayo, mayroon tayo.
10:43.5
Gentleman tayo, Gentleman.
10:49.0
ano masabi yung may comment dito?
10:50.3
You cannot put a good man down.
10:51.8
Mabuhay ka tatay Digong.
10:53.3
Anong masabi mo dyan?
10:54.5
You cannot put a good man down.
10:56.0
Mabuhay Harry Roque.
10:57.5
Yan yung mga comment.
10:59.4
lalaban at lalaban yan sa lahat.
11:01.6
Yan na naman tayo.
11:02.5
Lalaban at lalaban siya kasi Digong.
11:04.8
Pabalikan ko lang yung usapan natin kanina, Richard.
11:08.7
pwede may method in the madness eh.
11:16.1
nilabas siya ni Harry Roque,
11:21.7
Paano kung aaminin ng spokesperson ng presidente
11:24.4
na meron ng oral agreement
11:26.5
na pwedeng binding?
11:30.9
sasabihin ng China.
11:32.4
Huwag mo kalimutan,
11:33.2
China initially naglabas niya,
11:35.5
Na merong presidente
11:36.6
na nagbigay ng oral agreement,
11:45.1
Baka may utos, Ronald.
11:47.0
Hindi ko sinasabi na,
11:48.0
baka mas lakon ngayon,
11:49.8
mas malakas ang loob ng China.
11:52.6
out in the open eh.
11:59.6
pwede nyo may ganong klaseng logic eh.
12:02.3
to the claims of China.
12:05.4
doesn't that run the risk
12:08.4
I think the Akbayan statement was
12:12.8
doesn't that open them up
12:14.0
to something dangerous?
12:15.6
some people can...
12:16.2
Parang wala naman silang pakialam
12:17.2
na tawagin yung traitor.
12:21.3
Meron bang illegal
12:26.6
Is there anything illegal?
12:27.6
Pwede lumabas yan eh.
12:29.2
Kasi wala naman smoking gun eh.
12:31.1
Wala naman smoking gun
12:32.1
na may signature.
12:32.4
Pero tahimik si Digong,
12:33.8
tahimik si Foreign Secretary
12:39.8
bibigyan tayo ng China
12:41.9
ng oral agreement.
12:43.0
Kung may signature,
12:45.5
I think that's where...
12:46.5
Kung walang smoking gun,
12:48.0
hanash-hanash lang yan.
12:51.0
sub-episode essentially.
12:52.3
I wanna talk about
12:54.2
ang nakikita natin ngayon
12:55.5
sa West Philippines eh,
12:56.3
medyo next level na eh.
12:57.9
Medyo lethal na ito eh.
13:00.2
pag tumama sa'yo,
13:01.0
pwede kang mamatay.
13:02.6
I was actually suggesting
13:07.0
Pwede mo naman sana
13:07.9
yung square inch,
13:09.6
pound per square inch,
13:11.7
Pwede mo i-compare
13:12.6
sa suntok ni Mike Tyson,
13:14.8
sa suntok ni Pacquiao,
13:16.3
tapos i-times 10 mo pa yata.
13:19.4
pag tumama yan sa'yo,
13:20.4
kahit diretsyo lang,
13:21.1
kahit di ka tumama
13:21.8
sa something else,
13:22.6
this could be fatal.
13:24.6
minanipulate lang daw eh.
13:26.8
Minanipulate lang daw
13:29.6
Sabi ng China eh.
13:32.5
Alam mo naman Ronald,
13:33.7
mas naniwala tayo sa China
13:35.0
kaysa mga digong.
13:37.9
anong mangyari dyan
13:39.1
kasi naniwala talaga tayo
13:40.7
compared sa digong.
13:41.9
Ang tanong ko Richard,
13:43.4
ang gusto ko din malaman sa inyo is,
13:45.0
how far could this escalate eh?
13:47.7
Which we have to discuss
13:49.0
in the next episode.
13:49.8
Exactly why I put the US
13:51.2
into the question.
13:54.7
but into the question
13:56.2
puro tayo ng China
13:58.1
pero ang laking factor dito
13:59.6
ang United States eh.
14:01.2
pag-usapan natin yan
14:02.1
shortly in the next episode.
14:04.1
to the favorite topic
14:07.1
nasaan ang opposition?
14:09.0
Kung sabi ni Banat Bay,
14:09.9
nasaan ang Amerika?
14:11.6
nasaan ang opposition?
14:13.9
and usual suspects
14:15.6
fighting for the good fight.
14:18.4
Thank you very much guys.
