02:23.9
Yes, I could do that.
02:25.1
Before Senior Vice Chair answer the...
02:30.0
To make clarification on the query of Chairman Ako, please make knowledge the presence of Congressman Idol, Sen. Rodante Marculeta, representing once again party list.
02:41.6
Please proceed, Senior Vice Chair.
02:45.6
Yes, Mr. Chair, I confirm that. Doon po sa third reading copy of the HGAAP 2024, I can send you a screenshot, line 55 po.
03:00.0
Thank you, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.
03:02.9
Hindi po ba yung Senado rin, meron din silang proseso na kagaya natin.
03:07.1
They come up with their own deliberation insofar as the NEP is concerned.
03:15.8
So, yung ating GAAP 2, sa kanila hindi natin nakikita.
03:20.9
As the good Secretary has stated.
03:23.2
Ba't natin may tapyasan after the bicameral conference?
03:28.6
Nandun natin nakikita.
03:30.0
Yung malalaking mga pagbabago.
03:32.3
Hindi po ba, Mr. Chair, Madam Vice Chairman, please.
03:40.9
Well, Mr. Chair, as I had mentioned earlier, in this particular case, doon pa lang po sa Senate Committee Report,
03:49.1
nakita na po natin ang reduction po para sa program na ito, yung 6.5 billion.
03:56.5
Thank you for the answer, Madam Vice Chair.
03:59.9
Hindi sa House nangyari yung pagtapyas.
04:04.8
Nangyari doon sa Senate version.
04:07.5
Ang problema, nagkaroon ng bicameral conference, pumayag yung House panel natin doon sa tapyas na yun.
04:15.2
That should be the question.
04:19.0
Kasi merong sa bicameral conference, may House contingent, may Senate contingent.
04:28.0
Yun ang protocol eh.
04:29.9
Even if I have not been there.
04:33.7
Pero yun ang protocol.
04:35.9
So, tayo, yung ang tinatanong ko kanina, complicit na rin kami sa pagtapyas eh.
04:41.6
Dahil pumayag yung representative namin eh.
04:48.4
Mr. Chair, di po ba?
04:49.4
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, Congressman Jesse Abalos, do you want to react?
05:02.3
Ah, maraming salamat po, Mr. Chair, no?
05:04.8
And of course, sa DSWD, maraming salamat sa inyong briefing.
05:08.3
Ah, ngayon, habang inaalam po natin ang dahilan kung bakit tinapyasan ang pondo ng four piece,
05:14.5
kung titingnan rin natin ang huling slide na ipresents sa atin ng DSWD ngayon,
05:21.4
Ah, ako po ay nagpapasalamat sa leadership ng ating kongreso,
05:24.8
pati ng ating mga committees, dahil, ah, bagamat hindi pa naman natin pinapag-usapan ang susunod na budget,
05:31.2
ngayon pa lang, hahanap na po tayo ng solusyon sa atin.
05:35.5
Ah, na-raise po ng DSWD kanina, may unpaid grants, 9 billion.
05:39.6
2024, meron rin kulang na 6.5.
05:42.4
So, dahil sa briefing na ito, at least, nakikita natin yung exact figure on the part of Congress,
05:47.4
this would guide us.
05:48.7
In, perhaps, creating a supplemental budget, or kung ano yung magagawa namin,
05:53.3
para at least, marimedyo ka na natin ang mga naranasan ng poorest of the poor,
05:58.6
in 2023, 2024, and in the previous years.
06:03.2
And at the same time naman, yung briefing ng ating DSWD ngayong araw,
06:06.9
I'm sure it would guide all of us legislators in future deliberations regarding the four piece program.
06:13.9
Yun lang naman po, Mr. Chair, bagamat nakakalungkot na nagkaroon ng,
06:18.8
budget slash, at the BICAM.
06:21.2
What's important is that the committee has, both committees have convened today,
06:26.1
and nandito rin po ang ating Secretary, at nagahanap po tayo ng solusyon ho.
06:31.1
Maraming yun lang naman po, Mr. Chair.
06:32.6
Thank you, thank you, Kong Jesse.
06:34.7
Please proceed, Chairman Ako.
06:36.8
Mr. Chair, Mr. Secretary, tama po yung figures ninyo eh.
06:41.2
But starting 2016, minsan lang kayong na-increase yung budget ninyo for four piece.
06:47.6
That was in the year 2019.
06:52.9
From 88.1 to 89.7, or an increase of 1.6 billion.
06:59.8
All the other years, in 2017, ang increase po ninyo is 500 million.
07:06.2
In 2021, 7 billion.
07:09.6
At deficit, in 2022, 8 billion.
07:13.3
Inenumerate nyo ito kanina.
07:14.5
2023, 13 billion.
07:17.6
Ang deficit ninyo, yung natapyas.
07:22.8
And then in 2024, 6.5 billion.
07:26.7
Now, if we look at 2023, nung 13 billion yung natapyasan, o natapyas, sa budget ng four piece,
07:35.9
there was a conditional special provision given by the President.
07:41.0
Na yung pag-implement nito, it's with the condition that,
07:47.6
babayaran dapat natin yung backlog natin ng 27 and 2018.
07:55.5
It was a conditional veto on the utilization of funds for prior years claims.
08:02.5
And so far as the four piece are concerned.
08:07.5
Yes, Mr. Chair, that's correct.
08:08.9
And we were able to pay the prior years because of that.
08:12.1
Because of this provision.
08:13.4
Correct, Mr. Chair.
08:14.2
But kung titignan po natin, that was for 2017.
08:19.0
Natapyasan din kayo nung 2021 and 2022.
08:23.4
Pero wala kayong backlog.
08:25.7
Mr. Chair, that was what I explained a while ago.
08:28.4
If you look at the 2020-2021 column ng deficit, zero, because there was really unutilized.
08:35.5
During those times, mabab COVID, so walang school, so the education grants weren't being paid.
08:41.5
Number two, yung listahan, as mentioned, was being cleaned.
08:44.3
So we didn't exhaust the 4.4.
08:46.9
So I can only surmise that the good gentleman is correct that yung pagtapyas was based on our utilization.
08:54.1
So nung 2020-2021, as deficit, walang school.
09:09.4
In portions of the school year, wasn't complete.
09:12.3
So walang pumapasok.
09:13.7
So number two, hindi namin napuno.
09:16.9
Cleaning the list nung 2019 onwards.
09:20.5
We didn't exhaust the 4.4.
09:23.4
So it's only nung 2023 talaga namin napuno.
09:26.4
And that's why we wrote the committee, asking the committee, na sana, both committees,
09:30.7
na huwag niyo bawasan kasi we anticipate na we will need every single centavo from that appropriation.
09:38.8
Thank you, Mr. Chair, Mr. Secretary.
09:40.6
So, the problem is, in the next budget, paano natin?
09:46.9
Masisiguro na hindi na matatapyasan itong 4.4.
09:54.0
Well, I have, Mr. Chair, there's a roomful of 4.4 advocates here who will definitely, I'm sure, help us champion the budget without cuts.
10:07.1
Chema Lacop, are you done?
10:10.9
Oh, please proceed.
10:13.9
Mr. Chair, Mr. Secretary.
10:16.9
Sa amount naman na ito, there are other expenses that are deducted. Tama po ba?
10:25.5
Which amount? The appropriation, Mr.
10:27.5
Yes, what is appropriated? For example, in 2022, 107.6 billion.
10:35.7
Hindi naman mapupunta sa 4.4 yung exact amount na ito.
10:41.2
Yes, there are administrative costs.
10:43.2
Yes, yun po yung katanungan ko huli.
10:46.9
If you look at the budget of expenditure book, nandun po yung expenditure ninyo eh.
10:57.5
And I can see na isa sa pinakamalaking amount ninyo na nagagastos out of the allocated 4-piece fund would be personnel services.
11:10.9
Correct, Mr. Chair.
11:12.2
These are the city links and municipal links who do the case management for the...
11:16.9
And there's also an item there, cost of services.
11:22.7
Yes, these are unfortunately the contract of service employees.
11:27.4
And administrative expenses.
11:29.7
Yes, that's correct, Mr. Chair.
11:33.8
Ang tanong ko lang po, Mr. Secretary, Mr. Chair, is that do these three not belong to the same category of expenses?
11:44.0
Because you don't have the services and regulations.
11:46.9
I just had to verify my answer.
11:54.4
Yan yung sad part, Mr. Chair, in the budget season na ang dami pa rin naming contract of service na employees.
12:00.5
And we cannot charge them sa PS kasi walang statutory benefits itong mga contract of service natin.
12:06.8
So that's why nakahiwala yung kategory nila.
12:08.7
If we look at the table, doon sa cash grants ninyo for rice subsidy,
12:16.9
for 2016, yung amount po na there is 62 for the four-piece, right?
12:24.3
Pero ang rice subsidy, cash grants, is 56.025.
12:29.4
In 2016, it's 89.42% of the total amount.
12:34.3
Pero kung titindan ko po, lumalaki.
12:39.9
Ang lumalaki, Mr. Chair, if I can get a better clarification.
12:45.4
From the amount of the...
12:46.9
From the amount of the four-piece, lumalaki every year.
12:50.6
Kasi noong 2016, it's 89.42%.
12:54.7
In 2022, it's 92.03%.
12:59.7
Walang breakdown sa libro ng budget of expenditure, yung 2023 at saka 2024.
13:07.4
Kung titindan po natin, blanco.
13:11.7
Mr. Chair, let me draw the data from that because the program directors here are saying that it's...
13:16.9
consistently the same.
13:18.8
But let me get the draw of the data and we'll get back to you immediately, Mr. Chair.
13:24.0
And also together with the four-piece, from 4.8% in 2017, tumaas po sa 613%.
13:46.9
Yeah, Mr. Chair, if I can just clarify, what years are we talking about?
13:53.9
In 2016, for personnel services, out of the 62.6 billion, personnel services amounted to 3.4 billion pesos.
14:05.6
And the percentage of that is 5.44.
14:08.9
2017, 78.1 billion.
14:12.9
The personnel services is 3.8 billion.
14:16.9
Amounting to 4.88%.
14:19.8
So, tinitingna ko, nagbabary, Mr. Chair.
14:24.0
May not be the reason why.
14:26.6
Let me... I have to admit, these are years prior to me being in the department.
14:30.5
I'm conferring with the program directors.
14:35.0
Please double-check.
15:00.2
Mr. Chair, I will submit it in writing.
15:03.3
But one of the ladies beside me happens to be an old hand in the department.
15:07.5
All of them are, actually.
15:08.9
So, I'll have... She was there even before.
15:14.2
Ma'am, please proceed.
15:16.9
Yun pong RISE subsidy, just like the educational grant and health grant,
15:23.4
is also dependent on the compliance of our beneficiaries.
15:28.1
So, in case the beneficiary is compliant to health,
15:32.5
then they are also entitled to the RISE subsidy.
15:35.8
So, but then, in every year or in every pay period,
15:40.7
pag nagbary po ang compliance rate ng ating mga beneficiaries,
15:44.6
affected rin po yung amount.
15:46.3
That we are paying for the RISE.
15:49.1
So, tama pa yung observation nyo, may tendency po siya na bumaba o tumaas.
15:55.7
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15:58.6
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16:04.0
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16:07.9
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