00:57.7
Pero, I think this is a good topic to discuss, okay?
01:04.9
So, sino ang mas national artist right now, kung sino ang pipiliin nyo between Regine Velasquez and Leia Salonga?
01:17.2
So, ano yung mga merits nila for you to pick, okay?
01:23.6
hindi nila pinag-usapan ito, so tayo ang mag-discuss.
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So, first of all, ano muna yung national artist, no?
01:31.0
So, yung national artist, that is the highest order that the government can recognize yung mga alagad ng sining, okay?
01:43.9
So, simple lang naman ang mga patakaran para ma-qualify ka na national artist.
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Filipino artist, ito, who have made significant contribution to the cultural heritage of the country.
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So, yan yung mga, ano natin, mga kailangang ma-meet na qualifications.
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Filipino artistic accomplishment at its highest level and to promote creative expression as significant to the development of national cultural identity.
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Parang halos magkaparehas lang ito.
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Yung dalawang A at B.
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Dega, C, Filipino artists who have dedicated their lives to their works to forge new paths and directions for future generations of Filipino artists.
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So, tega, ano pinagkaiba nung A sa B?
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Contributions to cultural heritage of the country, yung isa.
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Promote creative expression.
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Ah, okay, okay, gets ko na, gets ko na.
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parehas nilang ginawa yan.
02:53.8
Ang tanong na lang, sino ang mas nag-me-meet sa kriteria na yan?
03:00.7
Okay, but first of all, isang thing din about this is, I think, ang naunang nilabas nila na candidate for national artist was Regine Velasquez.
03:15.7
Tapos, parang teka, bakit si Regine?
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Parang gano'n, si Leia na lang.
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Diba, parang gano'n.
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At least sa pagkakaunawa ako, maaaring mali ako.
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Kasi nung una ko nakikita si Regine lang eh.
03:28.2
Actually, natuwa nga ako, uy, maggagawing national artist si Regine.
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Kasi yung madami sa mga national artist were awarded posthumously.
03:39.1
Ibig sabihin, patay na yung national artist.
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O kaya, sobrang tanda na.
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Diba, mga tamang 70, late 70s, 80s, ganyan.
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Kung baga, if you are young and then you have already accomplished enough contributions for the Filipino arts,
04:00.1
then kahit bata ka pa, kahit middle age ka pa lang, pwede ka talagang ma-awardan ng national artist.
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I think it's quite rare. I'm not sure how rare it is na, kung baga, relatively bata pa nabibigyan na ng national artist award yung mga candidates.
04:20.6
So, I would think that Leia and Regine would be among the youngest, if ever, mabigyan sila ng award ngayon.
04:31.0
Okay, so, well, ano ba yung mga nagiging award ng national artist?
04:37.0
So, well, may pera, diba? May pera siya. Every year ata, binibigyan ka ng fund.
04:43.6
But, itong si Leia at saka si Regine naman, di naman.
04:47.3
Sobrang yaman naman tong dalawang ito.
04:49.0
So, they really don't need that money. Although, why not, diba? It's still free money.
04:58.5
But, also, yung award, meron silang medal itself.
05:03.7
And then, every time that may mga functions, kumbaga, imemension yung name nila, parang ano siya, required, lalo na sa mga government functions,
05:15.0
you would be recognized.
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The presence of, ah, madam, ano bang tawag sa, ano, honorable ba?
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Basta, kung ano mang salutations ng national artist, Regine Velasquez, national artist for music, diba?
05:34.2
Basta, i-re-recognize ka.
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And, of course, yung recognition of, ah, parang fulfillment of a lifelong dream.
05:41.9
Lifelong achievement and to be recognized by the government, saying that you are an important figure.
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Na humubog ng kulturang Pilipino sa iyong panahon.
05:54.8
Hindi ba napakalaking karangala nun, diba?
05:57.7
Napakalaking karangala nun.
05:59.6
Lalo na kung alagad ka ng sining.
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So, madaming mga, ano eh, madaming mga sining ang ina-awardan.
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Hindi lang music, of course.
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Yung mga visual arts, theater, ah, visual arts, film, ganyan.
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Architecture, sculpture, at kung ano-ano pa.
06:19.0
Yung mga art, poetry, literature.
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So, ah, big deal.
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Big deal ang maging national artist.
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Okay, so, ngayon, mamimili tayo.
06:32.2
We're gonna do the impossible.
06:34.4
Mamimili tayo dito kay Regine at kay Lea Salonga.
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Kung mamimili ka ng isang national artist between them to be awarded,
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ah, every three years yung, ano eh, yung national artist.
06:49.0
And, ah, parang 2022 yung last na nagkaroon ng awards, I think.
06:55.3
So, 2025 pa mag, ah, ano, mag, ah, magbibigay ng, ng mga awards.
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Okay, I think, I'm not sure, I'm not gonna research anymore.
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Pero parang 10 ata every time.
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I don't think anyone would question the legitimacy ng, ah, pagkakanominate
07:17.4
kina Regine at Lea.
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Ah, so, hindi ko alam.
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Kasi pwede namang sabay na lang sila eh, di ba?
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Hindi ko alam eh.
07:27.8
Ah, another, another, before we continue pala, another thing is, ah, parang,
07:35.3
the, like I said, these, ah, women are relatively young.
07:40.2
And, ah, there have been, ah, um, singers, musicians,
07:46.0
that came before them
07:48.4
like Armida Sigion Reyna,
07:50.5
like Pilita Corrales,
07:55.3
Yung iba hindi ko nakilala
07:56.6
kasi sobrang tanda na.
07:58.8
Yung iba manamang namatay na.
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And some are saying that
08:02.9
they deserve to be recognized first
08:07.4
before these women,
08:09.7
more contemporary artists.
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So, tanggalin na natin sa equation yun.
08:17.2
Banggitin lang natin
08:18.2
kasi mamimili nga lang tayo
08:19.8
kay Regine at kay Leia.
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Kasi ako, wala akong problema talaga
08:27.0
So, kung mas deserving,
08:29.1
again, yung criteria dito,
08:33.7
kung namimit ba itong mga to.
08:36.4
Of course, the contributions of
08:38.0
Pilita Corrales back in the 60s.
08:41.1
Kaya hindi mo naman talaga matatakot
08:44.3
Pero, hindi naman siya kasali dito
08:48.7
So, ano ang mga merits ni Regine
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So, if I'm going to choose
09:02.5
between these two,
09:05.2
given na ang qualification ay
09:10.9
contributions to the cultural heritage
09:14.9
Between Leia and Regine,
09:19.4
si Regine kasi, ano eh,
09:21.6
ang stark difference nila
09:24.1
is Regine Velasquez
09:26.7
is a truly homegrown talent.
09:31.0
Leia Salonga is a homegrown talent as well.
09:36.3
was established abroad.
09:39.4
Or at least, dun siya talaga nag-flourish
09:45.3
dun sa Miss Saigon,
09:51.9
she was the first
09:58.6
which was a big deal back then.
10:01.2
And back in the 80s
10:03.2
or early 90s ata yun,
10:05.1
kailan ba nanalo?
10:06.4
Yung mga kakakilala ko na
10:07.7
taga ibang bansa back then,
10:09.6
were really proud
10:14.9
Naaalala talaga nila yun.
10:18.2
hindi pa naman global yung
10:19.9
wala pang internet, di ba?
10:22.0
So, it's very rare
10:24.1
that the Philippines
10:25.5
get mentioned along
10:29.1
the Hollywood elites
10:35.3
among the best in the world.
10:37.6
Big deal talaga yun.
10:38.7
While itong si Regine naman
10:45.0
Although nanalo rin siya
10:46.3
ng isang singing contest
10:50.2
nanalo din siya dun,
10:57.6
her musical career
11:12.8
So, we're just gonna talk
11:15.7
about the singing.
11:17.4
Kasi pareha silang
11:18.5
nagpilikula din, although
11:20.7
talagang singer talaga sila.
11:22.7
First and foremost.
11:24.3
Si Leia, nagpilikula rin siya,
11:27.1
but hindi naman sila
11:30.0
National Artist for Film.
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So, yun ang isang punto.
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homegrown talent.
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Legitimate na parang
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dito siya sa Pilipinas.
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Dito siya na mayagpag, dito siya nakilala,
11:45.7
dito niya ginawa.
11:49.8
were done in the Philippines.
11:55.5
we can say that her best works
11:57.6
were done abroad.
11:59.5
But, her best works
12:03.1
pride to Filipinos
12:09.9
had been recognized
12:14.2
in the international
12:20.2
Si Regine Velasquez,
12:22.6
I think she tried
12:25.4
she wasn't able to
12:27.7
penetrate. I don't know what happened
12:29.8
to her. I suppose
12:32.0
dahil okay na okay naman siya
12:34.3
dito eh. Nandito na siya eh.
12:36.4
Kung baka siya na yung reyna
12:43.5
dito talaga siya na reyna.
12:47.9
at her peak, at her
12:50.2
prime, nobody touches
12:52.6
Regine Velasquez.
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Dito sa first criteria,
12:58.1
heritage to the country,
13:00.5
I would have to give it to Regine.
13:10.4
talaga si Regine.
13:12.3
Kung nasa si Regine,
13:18.3
not a lot of Filipinos
13:24.4
Hindi ko nga alam kung...
13:26.2
Kasi theater, even
13:27.9
locally produced theater
13:33.1
hindi pa rin pang
13:34.3
masa eh. Diba? May pagka-elitista
13:36.7
ang dating ng mga
13:38.1
ng theater talaga.
13:39.8
Whether they admit it or not,
13:43.9
And hindi talaga siya pang masa.
13:46.6
Unlike Regine Velasquez,
13:49.0
maririnig mo talaga
13:50.1
yung mga kanta niya
13:54.7
Especially back in the
13:57.5
in the 2000s, early
14:03.3
Maririnig mo siya
14:04.4
sa TV, maririnig mo siya
14:06.1
sa radyo, maririnig mo
14:10.0
jeep, diba? Maririnig mo
14:15.3
tawag dito? Sa mga
14:17.7
parlor, diba? And also
14:28.2
yung mga older na
14:31.6
Regine Velasquez talagang
14:33.6
diyosa nila yan. Diba?
14:36.3
Siguro nung panahon niya
14:38.4
para siyang ano eh.
14:40.5
ka-level niya, si na Whitney Houston,
14:44.3
si na Mariah Carey,
14:45.8
nung panahon na yun sa pagiging
14:50.1
Feeling ko, back then,
14:51.7
kung si Mariah Carey, parang
14:53.7
inutusan niya yung mga
14:56.2
yung mga gays dati,
14:57.8
na parang, atakihin niya yan!
14:59.7
Diba? Kumaga, mag-aklas tayo.
15:02.0
Feeling ko, magsasa, mag-ano
15:05.7
magsasama-sama at mag-a
15:09.4
Ang lahat ng mga bakla sa mundo
15:11.7
during that time.
15:19.8
the same kind of influence
15:21.6
to the gay community,
15:23.4
to LGBT na ngayon.
15:25.3
Diba? I don't know pala.
15:28.4
Kasi sa lesbians,
15:31.3
alam na mga lesbians
15:33.8
na mahilig kay Regine.
15:36.1
Pero sa mga gays talaga.
15:39.4
I suppose with the trans as well.
15:42.7
medyo, hindi ko alam kung pwede mo sabihing
15:53.4
lamang pa rin kay Regine.
15:59.5
I don't mean it as
16:01.4
anything derogatory
16:03.7
because it really exists.
16:06.3
Meron naman talagang parlor
16:09.4
Only up to you if you think that is
16:11.7
a positive or a negative.
16:14.4
Okay? All I'm saying is
16:21.1
ibinigay kay Regine Velasquez
16:24.2
itong cultural heritage
16:29.4
1-0 Regine Velasquez.
16:32.0
Filipino artistic
16:33.4
accomplishment at the highest level
16:36.0
to promote creative expression
16:38.8
to the development of
16:40.9
a national cultural
16:48.5
have their merits
16:50.4
on this criteria.
16:53.2
I would say tabla sila dito.
16:55.5
I would say tabla sila.
16:59.1
expression, development
17:01.0
of a national cultural identity.
17:04.7
thing kasi kay Regine is
17:07.1
a very distinctly
17:08.8
yung style niya. Okay?
17:11.1
And, like I said,
17:13.4
mas pang masa yung
17:14.7
kanyang, relatively,
17:17.1
hindi lang naman mga masa yung nakaka-appreciate
17:19.2
kay Regine. Okay?
17:20.9
Even yung mga konyo na
17:25.4
dati. Nung kapanahon na
17:27.9
gusto rin si Regine. Okay?
17:31.3
So, yan si Regine
17:32.9
kasama niya si Nadjaya,
17:34.7
si Lani Misalucha.
17:36.2
But, I would say,
17:38.8
and I don't think anyone
17:40.5
would dispute that amongst
17:44.5
the queen. Okay? Although,
17:46.4
of course, madami pa rin haters
17:50.2
ganun talaga. When you're
17:52.6
at the top, madami ka
17:54.6
talagang magiging haters.
17:58.1
I don't think, I don't know
18:00.3
any Lea Salonga haters.
18:04.9
they are very few and
18:12.0
a Lea Salonga hater
18:13.8
sa sobrang rare nyo.
18:16.3
Diba? Unless, meron kang,
18:18.4
sometimes she gets bashed
18:19.7
occasionally when it comes to
18:22.2
politics, when it comes to
18:23.9
yung recently may nag-viral siya
18:26.1
na dun sa dressing room
18:32.3
her being an artist,
18:35.5
wala. Wala kang masasabi kay
18:48.8
in their own ways.
18:51.1
Kasi hindi naman lahat,
18:52.7
unang-una, hindi lahat kayang
18:54.9
kumanta katulad ni Regine.
18:56.9
Kasi this woman's
18:58.8
voice is really something
19:01.0
else. Just source
19:08.1
Sobrang powerful ng voice niya.
19:10.2
And while Lea Salonga
19:12.1
is a more technical singer
19:21.2
yung training niya
19:27.5
opera ba? Or sa theater pala
19:36.3
Si Regine is a powerhouse.
19:44.4
na gawin yung mga
19:45.8
gusto niyang gawin.
19:48.4
I suppose, yun yung
19:53.3
mong i-consider dito na
19:55.4
some people would
20:01.1
a higher form of art
20:05.1
Kasi hindi lang naman
20:08.1
Singing din yung ginagawa ni Lea.
20:09.9
Actually, dapat may
20:11.5
separate category ang theater.
20:14.1
Diba? Parang tingin ko
20:16.0
dapat sa theater siya. Kasi singing
20:18.0
is only half of what Lea Salonga
20:20.2
does. Diba? Hindi naman siya
20:22.2
basta singer. Uma-acting
20:24.1
din siya while singing.
20:26.7
And that is a totally
20:27.9
different set of skills.
20:32.1
now that I've realized
20:38.1
tamang comparison.
20:39.9
So, let's see kung merong National Artist
20:41.9
Award for Theater.
20:47.8
Theater and Visual Arts.
20:50.0
O, Theater and Film.
20:51.7
So, dun na nang dapat si
20:58.6
Ano bang nakalagay?
20:59.7
Teka. Mag-Ctrl-F tayo.
21:03.8
Theater and Film.
21:05.5
Iba yung Theater and Film sa music.
21:08.1
Ito yung music. Ito, theater
21:11.9
So, I think it would be a
21:14.0
disservice to Lea Salonga if you just
21:20.2
She is an international
21:21.7
theater icon. The best we have
21:24.0
ever produced. And
21:25.6
you're gonna miscategorize her.
21:30.1
end of discussion. Regine Velasquez.
21:35.5
Diba? Dun pa lang.
21:38.1
Salonga for Theater and Film.
21:46.6
Nabiglang natapos
21:48.4
ang debate. Diba?
21:50.7
So, Theater and Film dapat
21:54.9
Hindi siya basta sa music.
21:56.8
Ano bang nakalagay dito?
22:00.1
sa bagay, national artist lang naman
22:02.2
yung tanong dito. Sino kina Lea at
22:04.2
Regine ang deserving maging national
22:06.2
artist? Ang sagot dyan ay pare.
22:08.1
Parehas. Ang tanong lang,
22:10.1
sino ang mas, kung mamimili ka ng
22:12.1
kung sinong gagawin mong national artist
22:14.3
ngayon, sino ang pipiliin mo?
22:16.3
Just to make it fun. Pero,
22:18.8
as we have realized,
22:21.2
hindi parehas ang
22:22.1
pagiging artist nila. One is
22:24.1
exclusively for music
22:25.9
as a singer. And one
22:28.2
is also a singer, but she also
22:30.6
acts while she sings
22:32.3
because she is a theater performer.
22:35.1
So, magkaiba sila.
22:39.7
ayup ka? Sino ka?
22:44.0
Nationwide. Magkakomment ako
22:52.1
Filipino artists who have dedicated
22:54.5
their lives to their works to forge
22:56.5
new paths and directions for future
22:58.5
generations of Filipino artists.
23:05.9
panalo pa rin si Regine.
23:08.1
Regine Velasquez. Kasi
23:11.1
see it. An entire
23:14.4
generation of singers
23:16.1
singing like Regine
23:18.1
Velasquez. From Sara
23:21.3
si Katrina Velarde.
23:24.8
Ang dami niyang clone.
23:26.3
Sara Geronimo is her own
23:28.1
artist. Probably a
23:30.2
future national artist as well.
23:36.3
start of her career,
23:38.1
she was heavily influenced by
23:41.7
Regine Velasquez.
23:52.8
like I said, an entire generation
23:56.4
of Filipino singers
24:03.6
amazing Regine's talent
24:05.9
and contributions were.
24:08.1
So kalimutan na muna natin yung mga
24:14.2
Huwag na natin isama yun. Let's just talk about
24:20.5
up a case na hindi
24:22.2
lahat ng kanta niya
24:30.2
seasons na parang
24:32.3
parang wala lang.
24:35.6
Kasi may mga nauso kasi yung mga revivals.
24:38.1
So I think those were
24:40.0
the times na hindi ako masyadong natuwa
24:42.3
kay Regine. But then
24:44.5
she started collaborating with
24:48.2
her husband, yung
24:50.0
mga kanta ni Ogie,
24:54.0
ulit ang mga kanta ni Regine Velasquez
25:00.0
for her. Okay, while
25:02.0
Leia had always been a
25:05.6
the international scene,
25:08.1
in theater, she is revered
25:10.4
by the most respected
25:12.0
people in theater all around
25:14.2
the world. So what more
25:16.1
can you ask for? Leia Salonga
25:22.1
good news, hindi na natin kailangang
25:24.6
pagpilian kung sino
25:26.4
ang magiging national artist
25:28.1
sa kanilang dalawa. Pareha silang
25:29.9
pwedeng maging national artist
25:34.1
si Regine ay pwedeng maging
25:35.8
national artist for music.
25:38.1
Kaya ay pwedeng maging national artist
25:40.2
for theater and the arts.
25:42.4
Okay, so that settles
