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00:02.4
Hindi, meron wala pa rin siya.
00:11.9
Pero dito naman tayo, important.
00:13.6
Ayan, sige, sige.
00:14.5
Ayan, ayan, ayan.
00:15.2
Okay, okay, okay.
00:17.5
Let's go, let's go.
00:19.2
Para sa bayan to.
00:22.0
Wala tayong mga high school, eh.
00:25.5
Bro, nandiyan na tayo.
00:32.8
Ayan na, ayan na, ayan na, guys.
00:35.4
Ito ang inabangan ng lahat.
00:39.6
Richard Hedaran in the house.
00:41.1
In the house, literally.
00:45.2
Richard Hedaran, the house guest.
00:48.1
Pumunta ako all the way here
00:49.4
para mag-record ng vlogs
00:52.7
O, para lang talagang
00:54.8
lodi natin ito si Leloy.
00:57.1
Dami ko ng importanteng guests
00:58.6
dito sa bahay na to, ha.
00:59.9
Dapat mag-logbook na ako dito
01:01.6
tapos pumipirma lahat
01:03.7
baka maging important
01:04.7
historical document.
01:05.2
I'm telling you, man.
01:06.2
This could be like
01:07.0
that Paris apartment of like
01:12.2
Yan ang ganyan tayo.
01:13.1
Ganon level ka na, ba?
01:14.2
Ganon na pretentious tayo.
01:15.9
Ganon na ako tayo
01:20.2
How do you feel that
01:24.1
Allergy in the house.
01:28.5
naka-two nights ka na dito.
01:29.9
One night, two nights.
01:31.1
Two nights na, two nights na.
01:32.3
We've been enjoying ourselves.
01:33.6
Ang dami na natin
01:36.8
Minsan, ilang ako
01:38.3
nirecord mo ko, bro.
01:42.1
akala ko may mga sinasabi ako
01:43.5
na off the record.
01:45.1
andyan na yung camera
01:45.9
habang nagluluto ako.
01:47.9
Ano man ang level?
01:50.3
di ko makuha yung mga
01:51.1
gusto kong pagkain.
01:53.6
pinag-uusapan na natin
01:54.7
kung sino yung mga
01:56.3
Muntik na tayo madulas
01:58.2
kung sino ba talaga
01:59.1
yung mga ahente ng China.
02:01.0
ay, mga hindi ahente ng China,
02:04.1
Okay, okay, okay, guys.
02:05.6
we're trying to record
02:09.9
ilustrados of the 21st century.
02:12.1
So, I think that was the thing
02:13.3
binds us together,
02:15.2
bounds us together.
02:16.6
logistics na tayo dito.
02:18.5
Guys, by the way,
02:20.0
mag-isip kayo ng mga tanong,
02:21.1
as we get going with this.
02:24.3
let's get the ball rolling.
02:26.3
We want to have this kind of
02:27.2
freestyle discussion,
02:28.2
which is something
02:28.6
I'm very proud of.
02:31.4
May distract ka, no?
02:35.3
How's the United States
02:38.8
kung sobrang dito?
02:39.7
Ikaw, ikaw yung nagipag-usap
02:41.0
sa mga tao dito, eh.
02:42.9
if you live here,
02:45.0
parang tuloy-tuloy na
02:46.4
pare-pareho naman, eh.
02:48.0
who doesn't live here
02:48.8
to kind of figure out
02:54.5
ang nakikita mo na news
02:57.8
ang hina ni Joe Biden.
02:59.8
Mahina rin naman si Trump.
03:05.4
Joe Biden's weaknesses
03:06.5
more than they are
03:08.1
Donald Trump's weaknesses.
03:09.8
And that could be
03:10.5
by virtue of the fact na
03:11.8
siya yung presidente,
03:12.8
madaling yung magnifying
03:15.4
that could be by virtue
03:17.4
matapalo na talaga
03:19.3
and there's going to be
03:20.6
another Trump presidency
03:21.7
and it's really gonna be
03:23.4
So, I don't know.
03:26.9
Pero, in many ways,
03:30.2
ang American news
03:31.9
Especially, of course,
03:35.7
they said a couple of things
03:37.1
after they bombed
03:39.9
Chef Jose Andres,
03:40.9
yung mga nagluluto
03:41.9
para sa mga Palestinians.
03:46.0
feel naman ng mga tao
03:49.2
with U.S. support.
03:51.0
ng liberals ngayon,
03:53.3
Hopefully, baka tumaas.
03:54.4
But, feel ko ngayon
03:54.9
mababa ang moral.
03:56.2
So, Lelo, the reason I'm asking
03:59.5
maraming sa ating mga kabayan,
04:02.1
they have this kind of
04:02.6
American dream image
04:04.5
And then, there are
04:05.4
a lot of Filipinos
04:06.8
all around the world.
04:13.6
And then, they come
04:14.4
to the United States.
04:15.8
they see the homelessness
04:16.8
in San Francisco.
04:17.9
I see homeless people
04:18.7
next to the American Congress
04:20.0
in Pennsylvania Avenue.
04:21.9
your image of America
04:23.4
a late capitalist.
04:26.1
decaying superpower.
04:28.3
And then, of course,
04:28.7
you have all of this
04:29.3
American-Russian disinformation
04:37.7
ugly trains here,
04:40.0
what you, of course,
04:41.5
used to also enjoy
04:42.2
when you were based in Kyoto.
04:44.8
tsaka yung mga trend
04:47.5
sabi ng mga akhente
04:49.6
na wala daw sinabi
04:51.1
yung mga train dito
04:55.6
I mean, the airports,
04:58.7
so, I was in South Carolina,
05:00.4
then I went to Georgia,
05:01.2
then I flew here.
05:04.1
At the same time,
05:06.5
It's a very wealthy country.
05:09.7
very wealthy country.
05:11.3
grabe pa rin yung kayamanan,
05:14.5
hindi naman sobrang yaman
05:15.4
itong area na to.
05:16.2
This is a university,
05:17.3
this is a university neighborhood.
05:20.3
yung nakatira dito
05:21.2
are people who are
05:21.9
working for the university.
05:24.3
University of California.
05:28.3
And if you walk around,
05:30.3
it's middle class.
05:31.4
pag pumunta ka dun sa
05:32.4
shopping street dyan,
05:35.3
Pumasok ka dun sa place
05:36.4
yung magbebenta dyan
05:38.4
Anong magkano yung unan?
05:42.2
para sa isang unan?
05:44.2
in an area where,
05:47.8
dapat mga academic
05:51.2
I don't know bakit
05:52.2
unan yung naisip ko,
05:53.9
but I think it's just
05:54.5
so telling na yun.
05:59.0
still says something
06:01.3
it speaks to the power
06:03.1
of the United States,
06:04.3
It is very powerful.
06:06.8
kahit sabihin ng mga
06:08.6
tsaka yung mga taong
06:14.0
taong fan ni no comment,
06:15.8
kahit sabihin pa nila na,
06:17.5
yung declining ng USA,
06:18.7
dahil pa rin gusto
06:20.9
For all of its problems.
06:21.9
Including Chinese people.
06:23.1
I have a lot of Chinese friends
06:25.3
they immigrated here
06:26.4
kasi di na nila kaya
06:28.2
yung zero COVID time,
06:30.0
the whole Xi Jinping
06:32.4
They're here in the US.
06:33.4
Dahil pa rin gusto
06:37.0
magpa-five years na ako
06:37.9
nakatayo dito sa US.
06:39.9
bumabalik ko sa Pilipinas
06:42.9
Para mag-podcast,
06:44.0
Umuwi ako every summer.
06:47.6
yung attractiveness
06:52.8
multicultural pa rin eh.
06:55.3
naglakad ka lang dyan,
06:56.3
may Thai restaurant ka agad.
06:57.9
May Ethiopian restaurant
07:00.3
May Mexican restaurant.
07:05.5
lots of South Asian food also.
07:08.2
a Burmese restaurant
07:12.2
that's the kind of diversity
07:14.9
progressive cities
07:18.6
like we're talking
07:19.4
in the United States.
07:21.1
immensely appealing for me
07:22.9
mahal ko yung Pilipinas
07:24.9
isa sa mga problema
07:25.6
natin sa Pilipinas,
07:28.8
Mostly, mga kapwa-Pilipino
07:30.7
yung kausap natin.
07:34.5
Masarap yung diversity.
07:36.2
part of the diversity
07:36.9
is maraming Pinoy.
07:42.2
Hindi ka rin mauhogsik.
07:46.6
with a lot of podcasters
07:48.4
There's something
07:48.8
fundamental wrong
07:49.6
with the news cycles
07:50.5
and the mainstream
07:54.4
fault lines and problems.
07:55.6
I mean, we're not denying
07:56.5
that there are problems
07:57.7
as in any major democracy
07:59.5
around the world.
08:00.3
You talk about France,
08:01.2
you talk about UK.
08:02.2
The list is long, di ba?
08:03.5
And, I'm not also
08:04.2
romanticizing politics
08:05.9
They have a different problem there.
08:08.2
there's also a lot of...
08:10.3
when I try not to think
08:12.3
and I just look at the US
08:15.5
to here, California,
08:18.9
it's a wealthy country.
08:24.4
There's openness.
08:27.5
kung decline ng US,
08:30.1
ano yung pinapanood mo,
08:31.3
Yung streaming service mo,
08:32.6
ano yung pinapanood mo?
08:33.5
Tingnan mo yung Spotify mo,
08:34.5
ano yung pinapakinggan mo,
08:36.2
The world is still
08:37.0
dominated by US culture,
08:39.5
Although Spotify is Swedish.
08:41.6
Di, pero yung music
08:42.6
na pinapanood mo.
08:42.7
I'm just kidding.
08:44.2
May diversity now,
08:45.4
of course, di ba?
08:46.8
yung emergence of K-pop
08:48.2
and things like that.
08:50.8
our entertainment
08:52.6
defined by the US.
08:54.4
and the world still
08:55.5
largely speaks a language
08:57.8
the US is the biggest
09:00.2
English, of course.
09:06.8
Now, you should speak louder.
09:10.2
bedroom voice na ako
09:13.8
May men ako in a bit
09:15.1
kaya medyo nagbe-bedroom voice na ako.
09:17.1
Eto, high energy to.
09:18.3
Ano, kahit anong oras eh.
09:21.2
ano yung sinasabi ko,
09:23.1
alaki kasi nitunog.
09:24.1
Huwag mo naman sila pansin
09:25.1
in just the ear thing.
09:26.5
nitong lugar na to.
09:27.8
So, ang hirap mong husgahan
09:33.5
Slides of the society.
09:34.8
you just traveled
09:35.8
from South Carolina
09:39.5
the most liberal city
09:44.3
it's a very different experience.
09:45.8
Red to blue-blue.
09:49.9
Maybe even socialist,
09:54.7
how does it feel?
09:55.7
How does it feel?
09:56.9
Ang tanong sa atin,
09:58.1
ano daw ang topic natin?
09:59.9
Wala nga topic eh.
10:02.1
Medyo nag-free flow kami.
10:05.1
to ask us questions.
10:08.6
ang dami ng tanong
10:12.6
Yan yung pinag-uusapan na rin
10:13.9
naman natin yung US
10:15.0
at saka yung China.
10:16.3
Pag-uusapan na natin yung
10:18.5
ng ating vice president.
10:19.8
May pahagol pa dun eh.
10:23.3
kung ano yung sinabi
10:25.0
si Paulo Duterte,
10:29.3
You don't wanna talk
10:29.8
about this anymore.
10:31.9
Bakit ang lantaran, bro?
10:33.3
Bakit ang lantaran?
10:35.2
Parang ano na ba to?
10:36.0
Hindi na sila nahihiya
10:36.9
sabihin na talaga yung
10:37.9
na lantaran na silang
10:40.9
honestly, yun nga eh.
10:42.5
one thing that I was,
10:44.2
Lelo has a knack for
10:45.6
putting things in a
10:47.1
very interesting way.
10:48.9
you said Philippine studies
10:50.0
is almost Duterte studies.
10:51.7
I think it was this
10:53.1
kay Prof. Mark Thompson
10:58.2
very honest guy also
10:59.1
giving credit where credit is due.
11:01.5
if my blogger na nagsaya na.
11:02.9
I'm just kidding.
11:03.7
You know where I'm gonna go
11:05.6
We are very original people
11:09.1
we reference people
11:09.8
if ever we really got
11:12.6
going back to this,
11:17.1
someone else first.
11:23.6
Philippine studies?
11:27.3
during the Duterte time,
11:28.2
I go around the world.
11:29.8
Until the pandemic
11:30.5
kinda restricted things slightly.
11:46.4
Democrat administration
11:48.1
in a few days' time,
11:49.3
they're gonna host Marcos
11:50.3
in the White House.
11:53.0
parang laos na bigla.
11:54.9
cool to talk about.
11:57.7
hindi naman cool.
11:58.9
bumabalik na yung
11:59.7
email defect discussions.
12:01.6
You know what I'm saying?
12:02.5
I thought that too.
12:04.9
lumabas yung libro
12:09.8
there's still an appetite
12:11.1
to talk about Duterte.
12:16.1
sabi ko nga kay Patricia,
12:18.9
habang presidente pa si Digong.
12:21.7
pag linabas mo yan
12:22.6
at hindi na presidente si Digong,
12:25.8
nung lumabas yung libro,
12:28.3
kasi hindi na presidente.
12:31.0
akala ko nakalimutan na yung drug war.
12:33.6
it just exploded,
12:35.0
Top 10 books of New York Times,
12:38.0
top 10 books ng Economist,
12:40.1
It was one of the most
12:41.5
talked about books
12:45.5
Which made me realize
12:46.6
people are still thinking,
12:48.1
there's something about Duterte
12:49.9
na kahit wala na siya sa headlines,
12:52.7
if you bring him up,
12:54.4
people are going to want
12:55.4
to talk about him.
12:59.1
may pinakaiba yun sa popularity.
13:01.6
Popular pa ba si Digong?
13:04.7
we're seeing Digong
13:06.1
finally getting tempted.
13:09.6
I'm not surprised.
13:11.2
na bumaba ba yung,
13:13.2
yung popularity ni Digong?
13:15.5
Parang hindi naman eh.
13:18.1
sabi ni Ronnie Holmes,
13:19.7
mataas ang presidente
13:20.6
because of the signaling power
13:22.8
of the office of the president.
13:25.0
Pag nawala yung signaling power,
13:26.7
parang nakakapogi yan.
13:27.9
nakakapogi yung signaling power mo,
13:30.4
may plataporma kayo.
13:32.4
Ang dali kagad bumaba niyan.
13:35.5
unpopular si Pinoy
13:36.5
at the end of his term.
13:37.5
hindi naman unpopular si Pinoy
13:38.7
at the end of his term.
13:43.2
pero talagang bumaba si Pinoy
13:45.7
ang signaling power mo
13:46.9
ay signaling power na niya
13:48.5
at kaya na siyang
13:52.8
mas mataas ang pinanggalingan
13:55.8
mas mabagal yung pagbagsak.
13:57.5
I think it matters
13:58.3
na wala na siyang signaling power
13:59.6
at ang signaling power
14:03.2
nagiging anti-Duterte na.
14:06.8
na ang signaling power
14:10.9
Kaya talagang siniraan
14:12.5
Yung signaling power
14:15.2
nagiging anti-Duterte.
14:18.0
they gonna use that
14:18.8
to damage Duterte
14:20.9
But the thing is,
14:22.6
speaking of signaling
14:24.5
a lot of his signaling
14:25.4
was attacking Marcos
14:28.9
How did that go down here?
14:30.7
how did you absorb
14:31.5
yung nagmumuraan,
14:33.5
minumuraan niya si Marcos,
14:35.4
accusing each other
14:36.8
of being polvoronic,
14:38.1
the whole fentanyl
14:43.0
as crazy as this guy is,
14:45.3
feeling with politics is,
14:46.5
that's something, right?
14:48.0
I do global politics,
14:51.6
How do you translate it
14:55.8
dun sa libro ni Pat,
14:58.3
great English translation
15:01.3
halos naririnig mo na
15:05.3
doon sa translation.
15:06.4
But mostly Tagalog
15:08.3
That's largely due to
15:11.1
that Pat worked with,
15:12.2
former houseguest of mine,
15:15.8
conscious linguistics.
15:16.9
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:18.0
that's coming out there.
15:19.1
So magaling yun talaga
15:19.9
yung pagka-translate
15:20.8
kay Duterte into English.
15:22.2
itong mga recent traits
15:23.3
si Duterte people
15:24.5
kung nagre-register dito.
15:27.3
Duterte has really said
15:28.2
a number of crazy things,
15:30.4
since he left office.
15:32.0
meron siyang show na
15:32.9
si Ronald lang yung nanunood,
15:37.1
Si Ronald lang yung nanunood.
15:39.3
ang pangalan niya.
15:53.0
if you were a historian
15:53.8
50 years from now,
15:55.3
and you're still alive,
15:58.5
you're keeping healthy,
16:01.9
Salamat, salamat, salamat.
16:03.0
If you were gonna write
16:03.7
about Dugong 50 years from now,
16:08.4
healthy and strong,
16:11.7
what do you think
16:12.4
he would say about that?
16:13.4
Mas murder pa rin eh.
16:16.7
it's important na,
16:18.8
yung libro niya eh.
16:20.1
Markahan na natin.
16:22.8
Tag na natin siya.
16:23.9
This is a criminal
16:24.7
against humanity.
16:26.9
yung important si Duterte
16:28.2
is we've never really had
16:29.6
a criminal against humanity
16:31.0
in our history before.
16:32.9
Wala tayong Idi Amin.
16:34.6
Wala tayong Hitler tayo.
16:35.9
Not even Marcos Sr.?
16:41.9
he's a classic dictator
16:43.1
but not genocidal dictator.
16:45.1
Duterte called himself
16:47.1
He called himself
16:51.0
siya yung nagsabi
16:52.1
na ilagay niyo ako
16:53.2
alongside these criminals
16:54.6
against humanity,
16:57.0
yung bloodlust niya
17:01.1
people didn't pay enough
17:02.1
attention to this
17:02.7
but I was really shocked
17:04.9
terror attack sa Israel.
17:07.3
Prime Minister Netanyahu,
17:10.9
largest cemetery.
17:14.4
50 years from now,
17:16.3
who introduced bloodlust.
17:18.8
and absolute bloodlust
17:21.4
As a populist thrust.
17:22.3
As a populist thrust,
17:25.8
I think one of a kind
17:27.6
siya sa Philippine history
17:31.1
like academic circles,
17:34.8
against humanity,
17:35.6
didebatein ka ng mga tao eh.
17:38.0
I mean definitely
17:39.1
with human rights violations
17:40.3
pero ibang threshold kasi.
17:41.9
Pero ito yung talagang
17:42.4
criminal against humanity
17:44.2
yung criminal against humanity,
17:46.6
I think let's break it down.
17:47.9
Kasi criminal against
17:51.5
he's not just a criminal
17:52.3
against Filipino,
17:53.3
he's a criminal against
17:54.2
every single human being
17:57.0
Kasi hinurak niya
18:04.4
that is such a grave sin,
18:07.6
hindi lang yung dangal
18:12.7
yung dangal ng mga kaibigan mo,
18:16.8
That's what a criminal
18:17.9
yung criminal against humanity is.
18:18.4
And he engaged in
18:19.3
systematic dehumanization
18:20.9
of thousands of his own people.
18:23.5
these are not minorities,
18:24.7
these are his own people.
18:27.0
after a person like that,
18:28.1
the concept of human life
18:29.6
has been cheapened,
18:31.9
That's the sin, eh.
18:33.2
Somebody who really
18:34.0
cheapens human life.
18:35.2
And incites hatred.
18:37.4
genocidal hatred,
18:38.8
And incites hatred.
18:41.3
so you're obviously
18:42.3
referring to the crimes
18:43.1
against humanity charges
18:44.4
sa International Criminal Court.
18:47.5
International Criminal Court
18:48.4
moves against him
18:49.2
in the coming months
18:51.5
ex-senator among others
18:53.9
aside from Ronald Llamas,
18:57.0
he'll be in the books also
18:57.9
as the first Asian
19:02.2
it's either Serbian
19:03.8
something like that,
19:05.1
South-Saharan Africa.
19:06.0
So he'll be the first,
19:13.4
is something we have to watch
19:19.4
I asked that question also
19:20.5
with Justice Carpets.
19:21.7
I'm not doing this to you
19:22.5
because I hate you.
19:23.4
napapag-usapan to,
19:24.7
Parang alam mo naman,
19:25.5
alam mo naman yung take ko,
19:30.9
a mental experiment.
19:33.1
Nag-usap tayo doon,
19:35.8
kung ang pangalan niya,
19:38.3
hindi Ferdinand Marcos Jr.
19:41.1
Say President Reyes.
19:44.6
that Ferdinand Marcos Jr.
19:49.9
How would you regard him?
19:54.4
if you were to ask me,
19:57.1
I would regard him okay.
20:02.6
Pero maybe kulang sa vision,
20:07.4
my reservation with Bongbong
20:10.5
what he represents.
20:14.6
a kind of impunity.
20:17.9
and still get elected.
20:19.1
He represents dati.
20:20.5
People can get away
20:21.6
with bloody murder
20:22.6
in the Philippines.
20:25.3
that largely informs
20:27.2
my opposition to him.
20:29.6
it's not so much policy.
20:31.4
It's what he represents.
20:33.1
My counter-argument to that
20:37.6
the conventional argument,
20:39.3
by denying the crimes
20:42.1
of his father's era,
20:45.9
continuing a certain
20:47.2
kind of injustice.
20:48.0
Yeah, of course, of course.
20:48.8
Pero hindi siya policy.
20:51.3
But that would be
20:52.2
my first argument
20:53.1
na it's hard for me
20:54.7
not to put the name aside.
20:56.3
But my understanding is,
20:57.9
and I think this is
20:58.6
the better argument even,
21:01.1
a lot of what he's doing
21:03.1
he's aware of his name.
21:08.1
I think he would have been
21:08.9
more adventurous.
21:09.9
That's right, that's right,
21:11.8
my strongest counter-argument.
21:14.5
a traditional argument.
21:15.8
The second one is, I think,
21:16.6
the more interesting argument
21:17.6
because if you look at
21:18.9
the Charter Change issue,
21:20.0
I think if his name
21:21.5
he would have been
21:22.7
Yeah, right, right, right, right.
21:24.0
Precisely because
21:24.6
he's a Marcos Jr.,
21:25.3
he's very conscious.
21:26.1
Kalanya ang layuan.
21:28.5
kind of be overly cautious.
21:30.5
And for good reasons
21:31.6
because he's also
21:32.5
trying to win over the West
21:33.7
and win over people
21:34.9
from the opposition.
21:36.4
my immediate counter-argument.
21:37.5
That's brilliant,
21:38.3
that's brilliant.
21:39.6
is absolutely correct
21:40.5
that if you look,
21:42.8
you just close your eyes
21:43.6
and someone gives you
21:44.3
a box of policies
21:46.3
and what is taped,
21:47.5
ang laki ng overlap niya
21:48.7
with any standard
21:49.6
post-Marcos president.
21:51.3
So that's a paradox.
21:52.3
Ed sa president siya.
21:53.4
More of an ed sa president
21:54.7
than the gong, diba?
21:56.1
ang foreign policy,
21:58.7
ang foreign policy
21:59.8
ni Binigno Aquino III.
22:02.4
ang foreign policy
22:02.9
ni Binigno Aquino III.
22:05.8
we've talked about this
22:07.9
sino bang pumirman
22:12.4
of foreign policy
22:20.5
I think you're right.
22:21.9
He's doing it largely
22:22.9
because hindi niya
22:26.2
with the excesses
22:28.2
Favorite example ko dyan,
22:30.5
Diba Central Bank
22:33.3
parang ang rumor dun
22:36.2
would print pesos
22:40.6
The first thing he does
22:46.8
one of the safest
22:47.5
Central Bankers around
22:48.6
and a very conservative
22:52.8
mag-print ng pera
22:53.9
kahit anong gawin mo
22:57.2
parang sobrang conservative
23:00.6
Governor Remolona
23:11.8
can do what it wants.
23:13.6
Kung tatay niya yun,
23:14.5
Papakailaman niya
23:15.2
yung Central Bank.
23:15.8
So, yung mga gano'ng
23:17.4
And the joint patrols.
23:18.6
So, for instance,
23:20.8
with the US and our allies
23:21.8
in the West Philippines
23:22.6
si Panonipino yan.
23:27.7
patrol is happening.
23:32.2
before I went to sleep,
23:34.0
senator claiming na
23:35.4
siya yung dahilan
23:36.5
na may quadrilateral.
23:48.2
He's just out of nowhere
23:49.5
biglang nagpo-posture
23:50.7
siya on West Philippines.
23:52.6
security dialogue,
23:55.4
Assistant Secretary
23:58.1
kind of played down.
24:03.0
And the only reason
24:04.1
it didn't happen earlier
24:08.1
I found that interesting.
24:09.1
I also find it interesting
24:15.1
And Bongo talking about
24:24.5
si Digong in his sense
24:28.6
i-sustain yan eh.
24:30.5
is not delivering much.
24:35.8
ay nag-reposition.
24:37.1
Robin Hood Padilla
24:39.1
hindi ko i-criticize
24:45.4
without overdoing it.
24:46.8
What do you mean?
24:54.1
Whatever it goes.
25:05.0
talagang price niya
25:09.4
Parang KSP lang talaga
25:10.8
walang may gusto,
25:12.1
Kahit gano'n magpapapakita.
25:13.3
Kahit gano'n magpapakita.
25:14.1
kahit gano'ng papansin,
25:15.2
isinusuka ng taong bayan eh.
25:17.4
Basta kung magsulat ako
25:19.5
Harry character there.
25:20.7
It's not gonna be
25:22.3
I'm just gonna make
25:23.1
some reconstructions there
25:24.7
for ethereal cosmetics.
25:28.5
Let's talk about opposition.
25:30.1
what is your sense
25:30.9
of the opposition?
25:32.5
now I'm gonna put you
25:36.5
we started by talking about
25:40.3
because the question
25:41.1
always in the Philippines is
25:43.7
That was in Europe.
25:45.1
wala na bang ibang
25:46.0
Biden versus Trump?
25:49.6
ang question naman
25:51.3
do we need a totally
25:55.6
kanina we were talking
25:57.1
I'm not gonna talk
26:09.1
It worked in Thailand
26:10.3
ang kabanga niya,
26:13.1
Saka yung konyo na to
26:14.3
na ang ganda-ganda
26:16.7
Na parang may appeal
26:18.2
sa working class.
26:23.8
aspirational talagang tao.
26:26.9
niya mga Rojas, eh.
26:28.1
So, hindi mo kailangan
26:33.0
binay in a lacoste.
26:37.3
mukhang kawawa thing,
26:39.8
the opposite effect.
26:43.1
aspirational kasi
26:54.9
Yung may pagka-trashy
26:56.2
pero benta yung trashy.
26:58.3
it's Imelda Marcos
26:59.7
all of the influencer
27:00.7
self-aggrandizement
27:04.2
enough lead time.
27:06.2
I must just delay.
27:18.5
ilang beses natin
27:21.7
After nung election,
27:23.8
naging senador si Risa,
27:27.5
the leader of the opposition.
27:28.9
Passing the baton.
27:29.6
Passing the baton.
27:32.5
Can she do that again?
27:34.0
I think it would be
27:41.8
for the opposition.
27:42.5
Because whether or not,
27:44.1
and alam ko gusto niya
27:45.6
alam ko siya wants to spend time
27:46.7
with her daughters
27:49.5
other interests now.
27:50.9
And it's probably
27:51.7
even thinking about
27:53.8
But I think given that
27:54.9
kahit pinasa niya
27:56.8
yung baton kay Risa,
27:59.1
looking towards her.
28:02.0
that people are still
28:02.8
looking towards her.
28:03.0
Yeah, Risa is just
28:07.1
So nakatingin pa rin
28:09.0
nakatingin yung mga tao.
28:11.3
of the opposition
28:12.0
is still in the hands
28:16.0
And what that means
28:17.5
tuwakbo siya ulit
28:18.7
or mag-annoy siya.
28:22.3
this should happen
28:29.0
na one of our weaknesses
28:30.2
dun sa last election
28:31.3
ay hindi tayo nakahanap
28:32.7
ng opposition candidate
28:35.9
to make the same mistakes
28:37.8
And unfortunately,
28:38.7
we palang nakasalalay
28:44.5
kung anong landas ba
28:45.8
talagang tatahakin.
28:48.3
This is unfair to Lenny Robredo.
28:50.2
Nanahimik yung tao,
28:52.0
yun yung sinasabi
28:55.9
nakatingin yung mga tao.
28:56.7
So gaabang pa rin.
28:57.7
So the mist of uncertainty
28:59.8
complicating things.
29:03.1
in the shadow of Lenny
29:04.1
in a very big sense.
29:04.9
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:06.7
Risa is appreciated
29:08.3
but Risa as being
29:09.7
the future of the opposition
29:12.0
VP or presidency.
29:14.2
That's quite interesting.
29:15.6
how do you find the fact
29:17.5
is doing very well
29:18.3
for vice president?
29:19.1
She's almost like,
29:19.8
she's super ahead
29:23.6
is not doing very well
29:25.6
in terms of 2028 picture.
29:27.3
Naka-chamba siya dito
29:28.8
pero mahirapan siya
29:31.9
What is your read
29:32.4
on the Grace Poe phenomenon?
29:34.0
Baka kasi we're missing
29:35.6
parang kinansel siya
29:39.2
she was independent
29:41.4
Siya lang yung hindi
29:42.0
nagganan together with Nancy.
29:43.6
So, I think people
29:44.1
are not appreciating
29:46.1
always was to play
29:47.0
the independent card.
29:48.2
Totally third way.
29:49.6
That was always her thing.
29:55.4
how long we've been
29:56.3
having these chats
30:03.0
Richard Heydarian
30:04.1
did not underestimate
30:05.7
a certain Digong.
30:07.7
we both said naman
30:10.2
that at that time,
30:11.2
this is Grace Poe's
30:12.2
election to lose,
30:15.1
kung may dark horse.
30:16.6
si Rodrigo Duterte.
30:26.4
Kahit si Tito Boy,
30:29.4
actually all of us,
30:31.1
I think that video,
30:32.0
if it's still around,
30:32.7
it's gonna age well.
30:33.5
Sana mahanap nga yun,
30:37.7
Sana mahanap yun,
30:38.4
yung mas bata-bata pa kami
30:40.1
Medyo fresh pa kami.
30:41.2
Medyo fresh pa kami nun.
30:42.2
Fresh pa kami nun.
30:43.5
Naka-leather jacket ka pa nun,
30:46.6
alamig kasi studio ni Tito Boy.
30:48.7
alamig sa studio.
30:49.7
Alamig na studio ni Tito Boy.
30:51.3
Nag-iisip ako ng showbiz career,
30:56.2
meron kami mga videos dito
30:58.0
ng mga action stars,
30:59.0
so baka kami yung magtapatun
31:00.4
sa mga alt-right.
31:02.6
ganoon lang kasi,
31:03.2
bumalik ka lang doon
31:09.2
Yung akala talaga natin
31:10.8
magiging presidente si Grace Poe,
31:14.8
Hindi basta-basta na ako wala
31:16.2
yung ganoon klaseng clout,
31:18.9
yung ganoon klaseng pull.
31:20.1
And wala siya major mistake
31:21.4
or anything instead.
31:23.2
Safe siya through and through.
31:24.7
At walang bumira sa kanya
31:26.9
Kaya walang bumira.
31:28.1
She just hovered there.
31:30.5
the Grace Poe strategy
31:31.6
might still pay off.
31:33.9
at least as a VP.
31:35.3
And then who knows,
31:35.9
she can work it out
31:37.8
At so ako personally,
31:39.2
natakalino na ako
31:40.9
She was the best debater.
31:42.0
Ang talino ni Grace Poe.
31:43.0
She was the best debater.
31:43.7
Ang talino ni Grace Poe.
31:46.4
para-para tayong debater,
31:48.6
Madali ako ma-win over
31:50.1
by great debaters.
31:52.0
And I never liked
31:54.0
but when I saw him
31:54.7
in 2010 debate everyone,
31:57.2
nung nilampaso niya
32:00.3
sino ba mga kalaban niya?
32:06.4
kahit si Noy-Noy,
32:07.6
Si Pelucang Itim ba nandun?
32:09.3
Lahat nilampaso niya,
32:10.6
Si Grace hindi naman gano'n
32:12.0
kasing as dominant as Gilbert.
32:14.9
a presidential candidate
32:16.7
as dominant in a debate
32:18.1
as Gilbert Todoro.
32:19.9
was getting there.
32:21.8
starting to dominate
32:24.1
until nag-joke-joke
32:27.4
and then turned the debates
32:29.3
into a comedy show
32:30.3
na medyo sinusugan din naman
32:32.5
kasalanan niya yun.
32:34.0
siya yung nag-susug sa,
32:34.9
siya yung nag-feed
32:35.6
ng jokes kay Digong.
32:36.7
And she was trying,
32:39.2
the accusation is
32:40.3
she was playing safe
32:41.4
until it was too late.
32:42.6
Even on the Digong
32:45.7
yung ano lang ha,
32:50.9
ni Binay at saka ni Mar.
32:52.7
Tapos may 10 minutes na,
32:54.7
dahil yung hihintay nila
32:56.4
Ayaw kasi magsalita
32:57.9
May 10 minutes na
32:59.5
at saka si Digong
33:00.3
na yung nagsasalita.
33:00.9
nagtitrending yun.
33:02.3
panuorin yun ulit.
33:05.1
Finifeed ni Grace
33:06.1
ng jokes si Digong.
33:07.9
That was the moment
33:08.7
I think when Grace Poe
33:11.1
gave the election
33:12.0
to Rodrigo Duterte.
33:13.9
I would also add,
33:14.8
ito yung part na,
33:17.1
pang ilang ili mo na yan,
33:18.3
nervyoso ka yata,
33:19.6
Ginagawin ni Digong nun.
33:21.6
pa yung host nun,
33:24.6
But the thing is,
33:25.7
also during the debates,
33:26.8
if you look at it,
33:27.4
when Digong attacked Mar
33:31.8
same lang yung argument
33:36.9
this escalated very well.
33:38.0
And you could see
33:45.2
si Digong komedyante,
33:45.8
si Grace Showbiz,
33:47.4
chill sila pareho, eh.
33:49.3
I think that debate,
33:51.5
I'm not saying it
33:52.0
because nasa TV5 na ako,
33:53.2
but that TV5 debate,
33:54.4
I think was very defining
33:56.0
essentially B-Nice.
33:59.0
at the end si Grace Poe.
33:59.9
AMC naman sa survey na
34:02.5
Kasi sa January Pulse Asia,
34:04.2
B-Nice bumalik pa rin
34:06.1
But Grace Poe clearly
34:07.0
was being competitive.
34:09.4
the Supreme Court case
34:11.3
everything came together.
34:13.6
Convergence of factors
34:14.6
for Digong to win.
34:15.5
there was a lot of
34:16.0
contingency involved.
34:17.2
I think si Grace Poe,
34:20.1
number one sa vice,
34:22.0
Parang super malayo,
34:24.9
because number two is
34:25.7
Aimee at like 15%.
34:27.2
Bakit gawin na lang yan,
34:28.3
Takbo na lang siya
34:31.8
maging presidente
34:32.4
pagkatapos naman yun.
34:33.6
Kasi bata pa rin si...
34:34.9
That's the other thing,
34:35.9
Grace Poe's always...
34:36.7
She's still young.
34:37.4
Grace Poe's still young.
34:38.1
She looks fresh and strong
34:39.9
and she's a very smart person.
34:43.9
we cannot talk about
34:46.5
We're not gonna talk about
34:52.0
it's gonna be Sarah.
34:53.3
I think Rafi could be one.
34:56.2
part of us are saying,
35:01.5
could look like a solid
35:06.7
That could be an interesting...
35:07.9
Mahirap talunin yun.
35:10.6
this is your time to shine, bro.
35:12.6
Mahirap talunin yun.
35:16.1
Ben Tulfo is number 4
35:20.2
Ako si Ben Tulfo.
35:23.6
Na-meet ko yun dati.
35:25.4
Na-meet ko yun si Ben.
35:27.3
Na-interview ka si
35:28.2
na-interview ka si
35:42.2
masikip yung shirt.
35:44.4
asan ang interview ko?
35:46.5
bibitagin ko dito?
35:50.0
bitagin niyo na po ako,
35:55.8
yung Tulfo charisma
36:02.7
ginagagawa ng konti.
36:04.0
Yun yung charisma niya.
36:06.5
yun yung talagang
36:09.8
talagang tagapagtanggol ng masa.
36:13.5
And then si Erwin naman
36:14.5
has this kind of like,
36:16.7
a lot more quiet charisma
36:18.8
I would say he's actually,
36:22.9
he's also charismatic
36:25.3
he's less charismatic
36:26.6
than the two other brothers.
36:27.9
tahimik siya na tao eh.
36:29.0
Except he's doing very well
36:31.2
Pero I think galing yun,
36:32.3
yung pagkatahimik niya
36:33.3
galing yun sa kanyang
36:37.9
sundalo yan dito sa US eh.
36:40.1
meron talaga siyang
36:44.2
speaking of this,
36:48.4
technical issues later.
36:49.4
Maganda daw impersonation ko.
36:56.6
What did we say again
36:57.9
moment in Philippine
37:01.4
I'll be honest, bro.
37:02.6
The first time na-realize ko
37:03.8
there's this world of Tulfo
37:05.4
is yung Raymart Sancho.
37:13.6
baka yung puwit mo
37:18.5
si Ben Tulfo naman,
37:23.5
abandoned warehouse.
37:27.9
Pumasakit tayo doon.
37:29.4
last man standing.
37:35.5
ito yung nalalaman kong
37:37.6
Binang isang journalist.
37:55.3
nilapastanga nila.
38:00.7
dapat kasama ko yung,
38:02.1
dapat kasama ko yung kuya ko
38:05.6
nung sinuntok mo yung kuya mo.
38:10.3
pinamahan ang kuya ko.
38:12.7
I'm very proud of my kuya.
38:14.2
Kahit marami kayo.
38:16.2
I'm very proud of my kuya
38:17.2
kasi kahit paano,
38:18.3
pinamahan ka pa rin.
38:19.7
At kung ano na ako,
38:21.1
at kung ano na ako,
38:24.4
at kung ano na ako,
38:27.7
this is your time to shine, bro.
38:29.5
Is that here or two?
38:30.4
Is that here or two, bro?
38:34.3
baka wala ako dito sa TV ngayon
38:37.7
at magkasama tayo sa kulungan.
38:40.0
That was good, bro.
38:42.7
Tiyan, yung isang pang naalala ko,
38:46.1
yung isang pang naalala ko,
38:49.1
yung inamon niyang
38:50.2
mga Montano brothers,
38:55.1
Meron din yung away.
38:59.6
Ano kayo makihari?
39:03.2
mga Tulfo brothers
39:04.1
at saka si Jesus Cudero.
39:11.0
Yung impresyo niya,
39:13.5
ano sa tingin sa akin,
39:17.4
ang aking paninindigan
39:18.5
dahil ako si Jesus Cudero.
39:22.7
sa isang abandoned warehouse.
39:34.4
medyo gabi na eh,
39:37.4
may nakakatawa kasi
39:41.3
if you zoom out of that,
39:43.3
if you put your academic lens,
39:44.7
pari toxic masculinity yun eh.
39:47.3
Toxic masculinity yun,
39:51.3
hindi na ako macho na tao,
39:55.9
and I can't explain why
39:58.0
because even something
39:59.1
that I actually find like toxic
40:00.9
and talaga naman dapat talagang
40:02.7
binansinan ng NTRCB
40:04.4
pagkataas nila nila
40:05.6
pastangan si Raymond Santiago
40:08.2
Pero the fact na,
40:09.4
the fact na kahit ako na
40:11.0
I find it so toxic,
40:19.8
try to explain it,
40:22.7
yung Filipino mentality
40:24.5
that really explains
40:29.6
Kailangan tumasok tayo eh.
40:31.9
the reason why I,
40:32.8
I like talking about
40:34.8
these issues to you,
40:38.0
dami naman galit sa atin
40:38.9
sabi niya Tulfonatic.
40:40.5
toxic masculinity,
40:43.7
where this conversation
40:45.7
everything I did was
40:46.4
to set up the conversation
40:48.3
Sa abandoned wares,
40:49.4
magsusuntuhan din tayo.
40:52.3
Gagawa ka man talaga
40:53.4
yung tuwang ni Ben.
40:54.5
Gagawa ka talaga.
41:03.5
how would you feel
41:07.3
would be a president
41:10.3
Are you seriously worried
41:11.2
about that prospect?
41:12.2
Di ba blank slate?
41:15.8
kasi si Rafi medyo
41:18.0
It's my understanding,
41:18.9
he's nothing close to,
41:21.5
from my understanding
41:22.6
I've had with Tim was,
41:25.3
alam niya mag-calibrate,
41:31.8
I interviewed him in 2014
41:36.9
for the Manila Review.
41:40.8
hindi ako abogado,
41:42.4
the conclusion I came out with is,
41:44.8
has a legal education.
41:46.8
that's not because he's a lawyer.
41:49.5
every time tumawag,
41:50.7
tumawag yung mga tao sa kanya,
41:52.3
kailangan niya arali ng batas,
41:55.2
ginawa ko sa akin ng polis.
41:56.7
Kailangan alam niya
41:57.4
kung ano ba itong violation ng polis.
41:59.2
pag tatawagan niya yung general,
42:04.3
itong ordinansyang,
42:05.3
ordinansyang ito.
42:07.2
people are going to try to debate with him.
42:09.6
tama naman yung ginawa ako.
42:11.2
he's going to have to revoke that,
42:15.1
bakit ang dami niyo alam tungkol sa batas?
42:17.4
paulit-ulit lang.
42:19.7
Again and again and again.
42:21.1
alam mo yung batas.
42:22.9
one thing I'll say is that,
42:26.7
he's not a lawyer,
42:28.0
but I would classify him as a
42:29.5
practiced legal practitioner.
42:31.2
Make of that what you will,
42:32.3
But he's very competent.
42:33.4
He's very competent in that sphere.
42:36.1
hindi ako sigurado that
42:37.3
the other Tulfos have that.
42:38.7
Kasi yung paulit-ulit,
42:39.9
everyday repetitive,
42:41.2
kailangan mo aralin yung mga ordinansya
42:44.0
dahil may mga pananagutin ko eh.
42:46.5
Kanyang magic kung nagkamali si Rafi doon,
42:49.9
May erring na kapitan.
42:52.5
Tinawagan niya yung general.
42:56.7
yung kapitan niyo,
42:57.6
violating the regulation.
43:00.9
napahiya siya doon sa general.
43:04.0
it's not like they didn't have mistakes.
43:06.1
pero yung ganoon,
43:07.0
kasi big mistakes na talagang
43:10.8
Mahirap yun for him eh.
43:15.0
I'm kind of punting on the answer.
43:16.8
All I'm saying is that
43:17.7
my insight with Rafi Tulfo
43:18.8
is that he has a legal education.
43:21.7
He's a legal practitioner.
43:22.4
I think your answer is,
43:24.3
there's an underappreciation.
43:29.0
there's a toxic masculinity factor
43:30.6
with the Tulfo brand.
43:32.5
But each brother is,
43:34.8
or different part.
43:37.0
perching a different part
43:41.8
this is also a guy
43:42.6
who's an evolving,
43:44.7
an evolved figure
43:47.3
positioning niya,
43:49.2
there's a consistency
43:50.7
andun pa rin yung
43:51.4
Tulfo style of fiscalizer.
43:54.4
At the same time,
43:55.0
I see some refinements
43:58.8
one of the attacks
43:59.5
that some people have,
44:00.5
like yung kaibigan ko,
44:01.5
si Atty. Libayan,
44:03.3
attacking yung Tulfo.
44:04.9
Ang tanong ko lang naman,
44:07.0
kay kaibigan ko is,
44:09.3
let's compare him again
44:13.2
This guy's not a lawyer,
44:17.1
the guy's openly calling for
44:18.8
essentially mass violence
44:22.6
overthrowing the constitutional order.
44:29.2
na doon naman si Rafi at this,
44:30.2
I don't know about Erwin,
44:30.9
I didn't ask him about Erwin
44:33.7
the secretary siya nun eh.
44:35.6
I don't know what he said,
44:36.4
are you for due process or not?
44:38.5
And I think his argument
44:39.3
was something along the lines of,
44:41.5
it's not me being against
44:43.5
it's me trying to plug in
44:45.0
the operational weaknesses
44:46.7
in the system and all.
44:48.5
he didn't say it in that way,
44:49.6
but yun yung interpretation
44:51.2
ko nang sinasabi niya.
44:52.9
I think there was a kind of a,
44:55.0
hindi naman admission,
44:56.0
but there was a kind of a,
45:05.2
ito yung intention,
45:05.8
ito yung approach,
45:06.4
ito yung approach,
45:08.3
who am I to question
45:10.8
Kasi I know yung mga attacks
45:11.8
sa grandstanding yan,
45:14.8
hindi ka pwede mag-epal
45:15.9
ng buong buhay mo
45:17.7
na you're fighting for people.
45:19.6
This is not about
45:20.4
some ex-human rights lawyer
45:21.8
or ex-ginning-ginning na.
45:25.2
naghanap ka ng mga
45:25.9
high-profile cases
45:27.4
para lang maraming relevant.
45:28.9
This guy is dealing
45:30.2
with the meat grinder
45:31.4
of everyday injustice.
45:33.8
there are gonna be mistakes
45:34.9
1,000 cases over a year
45:36.7
At saka, actually,
45:41.1
mga totoong kaso yun,
45:42.1
mga totoong hinahing ng tao,
45:46.3
mga labor rights violations,
45:48.3
ang dalas na tumawag
45:51.0
domestic violence,
45:54.2
These are actually
45:54.8
real everyday abuses
45:58.0
ng populism niya.
46:02.1
yung populism ni Digong,
46:04.0
which he based on
46:04.9
an overblown drug spectrum,
46:07.6
parang ang problema
46:08.5
ng lipunan kay Digong
46:09.6
ay meron kang mga
46:11.8
yung buong lipunan,
46:14.0
Hindi, kasi yung kay Rafi,
46:16.5
at pang araw-araw eh.
46:18.3
hindi siya invento,
46:20.1
Like, for example,
46:20.8
nung binanata niya
46:21.5
si Cynthia Villar,
46:22.4
hindi siya pwede contrived.
46:24.0
Nung binanata niya
46:24.7
si Cynthia Villar
46:25.4
for land displacement,
46:26.3
hindi naman invento yun,
46:29.5
parang may similarities
46:32.4
con man talaga eh.
46:34.2
yung mga problema
46:35.1
na sinasaad ni Duterte,
46:37.8
mga drug addict na,
46:41.0
this image of the Philippines
46:42.2
is overrun with drug addicts.
46:43.5
Yeah, narco state.
46:50.3
sinungaling lang talaga
46:51.5
yung si Duterte eh.
46:53.7
hindi naman siya,
46:54.4
hindi naman siya gano'n.
46:55.3
Hindi ko sinasaad
46:56.3
kung ano yung gano'n.
46:56.9
Hindi naman siya gano'n.
46:57.9
They're demagogues, right?
47:00.6
we're men of letters.
47:03.2
when you think about it,
47:04.6
Socrates, Plato, Aristotle
47:06.0
were not against democracy.
47:08.3
They were just scared
47:09.9
about the tendency of democracy
47:11.6
in terms of descending
47:12.6
into zones of demagoguery.
47:15.6
So, that's why their idea was,
47:17.4
you need a more mature democracy
47:19.0
with some adjustment.
47:20.4
So, Aristotle talked about
47:22.3
bringing in like a good elite
47:24.0
meritocratic system,
47:25.3
mixed system, right?
47:26.4
So, it's not true that
47:27.3
they were against democracy per se,
47:29.3
they correctly pointed out
47:31.2
the tendency of democracy
47:32.6
to go into this kind of
47:35.0
and sensationalization.
47:37.0
Next thing you know,
47:37.3
you have a demogogy and tyranny, right?
47:40.7
I think you have to,
47:41.8
there's a tool for brand,
47:43.2
which you can say has,
47:44.7
you said toxic masculinity.
47:46.7
there's a demogogery element,
47:48.1
but there are also levels to this.
47:52.0
a while ago lang,
47:52.7
we had an interview with
47:53.8
with OCTA president,
47:57.3
si Professor Ryan.
48:00.2
lumalabas sa surveys,
48:01.5
Tulfo, Tulfo, Tulfo,
48:03.3
Number one si Erwin,
48:04.3
number four si Ben,
48:05.5
number one si Rafi
48:06.4
for the next elections
48:09.3
Duterte's are strong.
48:11.0
It's easy to say,
48:12.6
itong dalawa na to,
48:13.5
itong dalawang mukong na to,
48:15.0
enabler na lang sila
48:16.0
kasi they just gave up.
48:17.4
But if you look at it,
48:20.9
are either independent,
48:25.3
the old opposition
48:27.4
not putting it together.
48:30.5
Hindi ko naman sinasabi
48:31.3
na cancelled sila.
48:32.1
But they really have to do
48:32.9
a major rebranding.
48:34.4
Now, as you can see,
48:35.2
all of the conversation
48:36.0
over the past 45 minutes
48:37.2
was really to set the tone
48:38.2
for this guy, right?
48:39.4
Who's really our inspiration, right?
48:40.9
So, before he accuses us
48:41.9
of being enablers
48:43.8
remember where we're coming from,
48:47.5
I'm not a fan of Macron,
48:49.6
but I think he had a point
48:51.6
you have to take the world
48:53.4
and then try to affect change
48:55.6
You don't pretend
48:56.4
the world is otherwise
48:57.4
then affect change
48:58.1
then you just set yourself off
48:59.3
or disappoint them.
49:00.3
I completely agree with that.
49:01.4
That kind of pragmatic idealism,
49:03.6
And for everything
49:04.4
you can say about Macron,
49:05.4
I think that approach
49:06.6
at least on certain issues.
49:08.9
Let's talk about this
49:09.7
because you mentioned
49:10.3
toxic masculinity.
49:11.7
There's the demagoguery
49:14.6
when I was reading
49:15.2
El Filibusterizo,
49:16.7
the reason that's one
49:17.4
of my favorite novels
49:19.4
at the same level
49:20.1
as the Russian novels,
49:21.8
all novels are nice,
49:23.5
the Russian novels
49:24.0
were always political
49:24.9
and that's why I always loved them
49:26.6
whether it's Tordinev
49:30.5
and El Filibusterizo
49:32.7
almost at the same level
49:34.8
not only the aesthetic beauty
49:36.4
but also in the kind of
49:37.4
political pungence
49:38.8
that it had to be.
49:40.2
Speaking of Rizal,
49:43.9
kind of forecasted
49:47.2
but it's a result
49:48.8
as a complete enough man
49:51.8
to perhaps give us
49:54.7
That 50% of Filipinos
49:56.3
based on author research
49:57.3
who could be mobilized
49:58.9
for an alternative.
49:59.8
We talked about Pita
50:00.7
but we should be even
50:01.5
talking about Pita
50:02.1
when we had someone like Rizal
50:06.1
for a 21st century model, right?
50:07.8
So you see what I did there.
50:10.0
yung aspirational.
50:11.0
At aspirational naman
50:12.0
si Rizal eh, di ba?
50:13.9
Kasi timo si Rizal, di ba?
50:16.5
in Kilino family.
50:18.8
sila yung nangasiwa
50:27.0
spoke multiple languages,
50:29.6
didn't really have,
50:34.9
close siya sa masa.
50:35.9
Pero yung opinion
50:38.7
Kasi ang biggest fan niya
50:40.0
si Andres Bonifacio
50:42.5
He was lower middle class.
50:45.3
talagang sinasamba siya
50:47.3
ng particular segment
50:50.0
lower middle class,
50:54.7
nabilib lang talaga
50:57.0
meron nga talaga,
50:59.6
aspirational politics
51:01.0
because Rizal is actually
51:02.1
an aspirational figure.
51:03.9
even yung class profile.
51:05.1
He's such a multifaceted
51:06.6
and impressive person
51:07.7
and he was such a
51:14.2
But just speaking of
51:15.9
I think people always
51:16.6
tend to put Rizal
51:20.0
kind of a renaissance man
51:21.3
with a trippy suit
51:26.4
Non-toxic macho man.
51:28.3
I think he was very strong
51:33.5
kung gusto nyo panorin nyo
51:35.0
meron nga yung old episode
51:36.0
ng Basagan ng Trip,
51:37.2
yung how to work out
51:40.1
And we're gonna do
51:41.3
our own kind of a vlog
51:44.0
Pinigure out namin
51:45.7
actually yung coach ko
51:47.1
pinigure out namin
51:47.9
how Rizal worked out.
51:49.2
So actually you can
51:54.7
to work out like Rizal.
51:55.8
You would do a lot
51:57.0
but you would also do
51:58.3
really heavy lifting.
52:01.0
And by heavy lifting,
52:04.6
of a really heavy weight.
52:06.2
Hindi yung pampamacho,
52:08.7
Because actually we know
52:09.7
from sports science
52:10.7
that lifting from
52:12.7
gets you really strong.
52:13.9
It gets you kind of big.
52:15.2
But if you want to get big,
52:16.4
the more efficient rep ranges
52:18.4
are usually higher.
52:20.9
So Rizal was actually
52:21.9
deceptively strong.
52:23.1
Kahit magpayat yan,
52:26.0
Yung dumbbell niya
52:29.7
and he was probably
52:33.3
So 20 kg for a guy
52:36.4
Yeah, something like that.
52:37.4
Like repping that out
52:40.3
so 40% of his weight.
52:46.1
I'm actually an instructor
52:50.7
that teaches mostly
52:53.2
but other stuff also
52:54.7
But kaya manpalit ng shirt.
52:56.2
One of yung quotations,
52:58.3
na one of the things
53:00.3
one of the things
53:00.9
that they remind their instructors
53:03.4
is strength has a higher purpose.
53:05.5
So we're not just strong
53:07.2
or strong for other people.
53:09.3
babanggating ko ulit
53:10.9
sa podcast natin,
53:12.3
sa next podcast natin.
53:13.4
May nag-resolution ako
53:18.9
na dun sa baggage,
53:20.6
dun sa baggage claim
53:23.2
na hindi ko tutulungan
53:25.1
Every time makita ko,
53:25.9
ako yung magbubuat
53:27.3
Resolution ko lang.
53:28.8
And you're teaching also
53:34.1
two or three senior
53:36.1
na tinutulungan ko
53:38.5
Mga titas of California.
53:40.0
Ah, may tita ako na.
53:41.3
May tita ako ngayon
53:44.2
maybe 120 pounds.
53:48.5
we're having her deadlift
53:49.6
around 32 kg now.
53:55.7
strength is for everyone.
53:56.8
Strength has a higher purpose
53:58.9
strength has a civic value
54:01.7
I've been thinking about
54:03.2
because he thought about
54:04.2
strength as not just
54:05.1
individual strength
54:09.1
And hindi dapat natin
54:10.1
tinatalikuran niya
54:11.1
mga attributes yan
54:12.1
because we associate
54:13.0
them with masculinity,
54:15.0
Masculinity need not
54:19.1
associate with men
54:21.3
need not be for men only
54:23.2
who is the great symbol
54:25.0
physical strength.
54:26.0
Not a man, actually.
54:28.1
It's Hidelin Diaz
54:31.9
kita nyo na ba yung
54:33.3
Instagram ni Hidelin
54:34.6
tsaka nung asawa niya?
54:37.3
because they have
54:42.2
carrying heavy barbells.
54:45.4
They're doing like
54:47.8
six-year-olds doing like
54:50.9
things, you know.
54:59.7
yung mga bata na yan?
55:02.6
Hindi na akabansot
55:08.0
Sasabihin nyo yun
55:08.6
kay Hidelin Diaz?
55:10.2
Sasabihin nyo yun
55:10.9
kay Hidelin Diaz?
55:20.8
mababansot yung mga...
55:24.4
Everybody should be strong.
55:30.0
everybody should be strong
55:31.0
so that we can all
55:34.4
it was also part of civic duty.
55:36.6
A strong democracy
55:39.4
was also about having
55:41.6
robust citizens, right?
55:42.7
So the calisthenics
55:43.6
in the Prussian world
55:44.7
and the Scandinavian
55:45.5
is like your own version.
55:47.0
a little bit about that?
55:47.8
Because of course,
55:48.3
we'll discuss that more
55:50.1
But just for people
55:51.1
to have a preview
55:51.7
of what are the things
55:52.4
we're cooking up.
55:58.1
sa German gymnastics,
55:59.8
big yun sa Germany.
56:02.4
gymnastic practitioners
56:05.6
during the two wars
56:06.8
because many of them
56:07.8
were actually pacifists.
56:10.5
ended up in the US.
56:14.1
yung German gymnastics ito.
56:16.4
lover of all things German.
56:18.5
German gymnastics.
56:20.5
gymnastics ngayon,
56:22.1
mostly bodyweight movement.
56:24.6
gymnastics was more like
56:26.0
physical culture.
56:27.9
And that's a wonderful word,
56:29.7
physical culture.
56:36.0
It's a culture of lifting.
56:37.6
It's a culture of working out
56:39.9
It's a culture of cultivating
56:43.3
of being cultured
56:44.8
requires some skill
56:50.1
I mostly just focus
56:54.6
Because it's a skill.
56:55.9
Strength is a skill
56:56.9
and physical culture
56:58.0
is about the cultivation
56:59.2
of certain skills
57:02.3
society more broadly.
57:05.1
That's why I love lifting.
57:08.1
and everybody should lift.
57:11.6
deceptive yung katuhan niya.
57:13.2
you can say I'm much bigger
57:14.7
but when we try to
57:17.5
this is much heavier.
57:19.4
the Bruce Lee effect.
57:21.2
I know you wanna sleep
57:21.8
because maraming tingga
57:28.7
itong issue na ito
57:32.5
we discussed this
57:34.2
negative exceptionalism
57:36.1
parang parating natin
57:38.5
binidaw ng sarili natin.
57:44.1
a kind of a hopeless
57:46.1
Pinagtatawa natin
57:46.6
yung sarili natin.
57:47.9
pinagtatawa natin
57:48.7
yung sarili natin.
57:50.7
when I was posting stuff
57:53.2
like Philippines and all,
57:55.9
Naghanap ako na angle
57:57.0
para shut up yung mga
57:58.1
kasi there were actually
57:59.6
ay parang medyo malit
58:02.9
Actually, it's not true.
58:03.7
It's just an angle issue.
58:07.1
i-shut down ko yung mga
58:08.5
yung mga makapili
58:10.8
na digong style na yan
58:12.4
na wala naman tayong
58:14.8
I found some pictures
58:19.3
yung mga warships natin.
58:20.5
our warships are Korean,
58:22.5
so yung mga BTS fans
58:24.7
the reason I'm mentioning this is,
58:26.8
Rizal was quite a diminutive man
58:28.4
and always the accusation was,
58:30.5
oh, he's insecure,
58:31.3
he's trying to overcompensate.
58:32.7
he was a very self-assured,
58:35.5
a very complete man
58:37.8
or at least he was trying
58:38.7
to move towards that direction.
58:40.2
Can you tell us a little bit
58:41.1
Because I think that is
58:42.2
the mentality we need
58:43.6
if we want to make
58:44.7
the Philippines a really,
58:47.7
in the 21st century.
58:48.9
And when I say legit,
58:50.2
I mean it in a pedestrian sense
58:54.1
Not a superpower,
58:56.7
Ano naman natin maglaro dun eh,
58:58.9
But a kind of a country na,
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it's 10 million people,
59:02.4
but they're not a pushover.
59:03.6
They have been on their own
59:05.8
Dahil lang sa katangahan ni Putin,
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they are forced to join NATO.
59:10.7
capable countries,
59:12.7
including Sweden,
59:14.4
you get what I'm saying?
59:18.7
fundamental cultural
59:22.1
negative exceptionalism
59:23.3
and self-defeatingness
59:24.1
and self-defeating mindset
59:26.5
what Rizal and his legacy
59:29.4
be an antithesis to.
59:31.9
going back to that
59:32.8
because even with Rizal,
59:34.6
he was just overcompensating,
59:36.4
he was just an insecure guy,
59:38.3
dinadawan pa natin si Rizal,
59:40.3
who's like one of our
59:42.7
what do you have to say about that?
59:44.4
Kasi may kinalaman din neto
59:45.6
sa West Philippines
59:46.6
because if we don't feel
59:48.3
we can hold our own,
59:49.6
then loser talaga tayo,
59:58.5
kasi for a while,
59:59.9
I guess technically,
60:01.0
hindi na ako technically OFW ngayon,
60:02.5
pero dati OFW ako technically,
60:04.4
in terms of where I am,
60:08.0
I'm an overseas Filipino
60:09.1
working in the United States.
60:13.8
let's just keep to ourselves,
60:15.9
kasi if makisilimuha tayo
60:17.6
dun sa broader society,
60:19.0
kung saan tayo nakatila,
60:20.2
we won't measure up,
60:21.5
so we'll just stay
60:22.4
within Filipino enclaves,
60:23.6
ganyan din ako initially,
60:25.2
nung studyante ako,
60:26.1
nang hinahanap ko
60:26.6
puro mga Pilipino lang,
60:27.9
para hindi ako mapahiya,
60:28.9
para I'm only in my comfort zone,
60:31.2
there's a kind of insecurity there.
60:33.6
I think yung next step,
60:34.9
we're becoming more global Filipinos.
60:37.3
Yung next step dyan,
60:37.9
is to just throw ourselves
60:39.7
into other communities
60:43.4
not be insecure na,
60:45.1
kaya ko ba makapag-usap
60:48.0
kaya ko bang ano?
60:49.8
Kaya ko ba silang debatihin?
60:51.1
Kaya ko ba magtrabaho with them?
60:53.3
may ganyan laging,
60:55.2
may ganyan laging insecurity.
60:57.6
And I see it all the time,
60:59.6
yung Filipinos keeping to themselves,
61:01.5
they'll feel nila,
61:02.4
kahit nag-abroad na sila,
61:03.9
hindi pa rin nila kayang
61:05.2
magpagbanggaan sa mga puti.
61:07.4
And I think we should really
61:08.6
end that kind of mentality
61:10.3
because it's putting a cap din
61:12.3
on our cosmopolitanism.
61:13.6
Sorry, yung sagot ko napaka-naro,
61:16.1
off-W experience yung sagot ko.
61:18.4
Off-W experience yung sagot ko.
61:20.1
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
61:21.3
because my cousins also are like,
61:23.3
overseas Filipinos.
61:24.5
And their issue was,
61:25.8
one of them is like,
61:27.4
ang daming Pilipino,
61:28.3
kung niya dito sa Espanya
61:29.4
or Ibiza and gano'n,
61:30.7
wala pang Filipino restaurant.
61:32.1
Like, they'd rather work
61:33.0
for another restaurant,
61:34.0
na Thai or whatever.
61:36.2
kasi you need a certain
61:38.4
I'm gonna go on my own.
61:39.7
So, God bless him,
61:41.2
ganyan yung restaurant na siya ngayon
61:46.2
yeah, or like dito,
61:48.9
Because Filipinos did not want
61:51.4
a high-class Filipino restaurant
61:55.5
Fine dining, wala.
61:58.4
kaya ba talaga natin mag-compete?
61:59.7
Until there's one Chinoy,
62:02.6
si Chef Francis Amin,
62:03.7
galing talagang Pilipinas,
62:05.6
I'll put up an expensive
62:07.1
Filipino restaurant
62:08.0
in the middle of San Francisco.
62:12.2
I would suggest you try Aba ka
62:14.8
pag napunta ka sa San Francisco.
62:17.0
And it's really great,
62:18.2
it's fine dining,
62:19.4
Halama naman guys,
62:22.7
yung maganda dun,
62:24.2
dun ako first time
62:26.2
ng certain moro dishes.
62:31.5
hindi pa sa Manila.
62:32.2
Puta, Manilenyo ako,
62:33.3
diba ako nakakain
62:34.8
My weakness is regional foods.
62:36.7
Whether my people,
62:44.1
I really, really appreciate that.
62:46.9
what you're saying is,
62:49.9
where did we go wrong?
62:51.0
I know we want to finish
62:51.8
this episode and all,
62:53.8
where did we go wrong
62:54.7
and how are we going right?
62:55.7
So, I think you already gave us
62:56.7
some answers about
62:57.7
where we're going right.
62:58.8
Pero, where did we go wrong
63:00.6
etong lost sense of,
63:03.2
because look at these,
63:05.3
They were technically
63:06.9
not even considered
63:09.3
Because they're just
63:09.9
colonial subjects.
63:11.4
And look at the audacity
63:16.5
with the Germans,
63:18.2
with the English people,
63:28.7
and I know yung typical
63:30.0
parang nationalist
63:32.6
kasi the colonizers
63:33.8
created an insecurity
63:38.7
insecurity complexes
63:43.2
Consider the Koreans,
63:45.1
Colonized by the Japanese.
63:47.5
an insecure people?
63:49.3
Kasi umaman sila eh.
63:52.1
isang solusyon yun,
63:52.8
kailangan talaga natin
63:53.9
umaman as a society.
63:55.8
I'm not being facetious here.
64:01.7
you think about yourself.
64:03.4
mayama naman talaga tayo.
64:04.8
I think we need to get
64:06.0
We need to get used
64:13.3
as we get richer.
64:14.8
we also have to acknowledge
64:15.7
that hindi tayo pipitsugin.
64:17.0
Kaya, I really appreciate
64:17.9
yung mga picture mo
64:22.1
I'm very conscious about that.
64:23.1
Because, hindi naman
64:25.3
I've been to those warships.
64:26.7
I've seen the side
64:27.5
of the Philippines
64:28.2
which is on the move.
64:29.5
So, that's why I really
64:30.5
appreciate this conversation.
64:35.7
Korea is a good example
64:36.7
because it's a jiu-jitsu case.
64:43.7
Like, they're super competitive.
64:44.8
Gano'n, oo nga, oo nga.
64:46.1
Actually, that's a perfect
64:48.4
You can weaponize
64:50.4
The weapon of the weak.
64:54.0
obviously, they're still poor
64:55.7
But, when they overtook UK
64:56.9
as the fourth largest economy,
65:00.1
fifth largest economy.
65:03.8
it's very conceivable
65:04.8
within a few years,
65:06.0
we're gonna be bigger GDP
65:07.6
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
65:08.2
One of our former colonizers.
65:09.7
Medyo mahirap ang US.
65:12.7
in certain areas.
65:13.5
And, if you go to Spain right now,
65:14.5
a lot of billionaire Filipinos
65:18.1
So, I'm just saying,
65:19.3
we need more of this
65:23.0
Filipino pioneers,
65:24.9
let's just go for it.
65:27.3
your house is a special place
65:28.5
because, you know,
65:29.2
you have someone like
65:29.9
Patricia Invalista
65:31.2
on Obama's list of,
65:32.8
You have someone like
65:34.2
who is like a global
65:38.8
Hindi, okay lang, okay lang.
65:40.2
Pero, pinapost ko din
65:41.4
naman pag binibisita ko dito.
65:42.4
No, you told me, amigo,
65:44.5
promote your house
65:46.5
And then, of course,
65:50.9
I'm just kidding.
65:53.5
maybe, who knows,
65:54.7
in your own little ways.
65:56.7
Di ba yung mga sundalo
65:57.6
lagi lang ginagamit
66:03.0
I didn't know that.
66:05.6
pag may hineral na
66:06.6
pag may hineral na
66:08.4
hineral na yung tagapiril
66:11.1
it's such a nice word.
66:12.3
Hindi ko siya mapaliwanag
66:14.6
Pero, kailangan natin
66:15.2
magkaroon ng tikas
66:16.8
as a society, di ba?
66:20.4
I know you're super tired.
66:21.5
This is not your hour.
66:23.5
Tito, bebe na ako.
66:24.9
Ako, ADHD all day, really.
66:26.9
Hyper, morning hyper.
66:28.0
Kanina, sa super hyper,
66:29.6
para hindi ako mapalapit
66:30.6
sa coffee and all of that.
66:31.6
Thank you so much, Lela.
66:32.8
If people have questions
66:33.6
and all, please just post it.
66:35.6
hopefully, on the next,
66:36.7
whether live or sometime
66:38.0
when he has the time
66:39.5
Ilang araw pa si Richard
66:41.7
We just love to give a talk
66:43.8
Thank you so much, Lela.
66:45.9
God bless and have a good sleep.
66:48.2
Tuloy-tuloy pa to.
66:48.9
Okay, meme na ako.
66:51.1
Tuloy na ako sa kanila
66:51.8
and then tuloy pa ako
66:52.9
sa mga West Philippine City discussions.
66:55.2
Thank you so much.
66:55.9
Please, huwag nalangitin
66:56.6
masyadong magulo ko mukho.
66:59.0
maligaw ako mamaya
66:59.6
para ayosin tong book na
67:01.5
ang pong ginamit natin.
67:03.0
But on that note,
67:03.9
thank you very much, guys.
67:04.9
Maraming salamat.
67:05.2
I hope na-appreciate nyo
67:06.7
makulit namin discussions.
67:09.6
yung range of discussions.
67:14.1
we put into these discussions.
67:15.3
And you can also see
67:16.7
na we're constantly
67:19.5
yung mga basic assumptions
67:21.0
So, please feel free
67:22.6
to forward questions
67:24.4
Baka we can still make
67:25.2
some vlogs on it.
67:26.7
some another live.
67:30.3
time zone difference natin
67:31.6
is 15 hours behind.
67:33.8
This is the best we can do
67:34.7
under the current conditions.
67:36.4
thank you very much.
67:37.4
and talk to you soon.
67:39.8
Uy, bro, thank you.
