KIKO VS. VLOGGER: MGA PANIRANG VLOGGERS, KINASUHAN
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Kailangan din natin dahil umabot na sa milyon yung viewers nitong huli.
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And talagang pambabastos at pambababoy ng kapwa ang ginawa rito. Kasinungalingan.
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So, para mainsahe din dun sa mga nanungunood at baka sakaling naniniwala.
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This message precisely is to tell them and all those who've seen these videos na kasinungalingan ito.
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Katotohanan and we're filing these cyber libel cases against them.
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Ang problema nga dito, yung channel na sinasampahan natin ng kaso, number one, walang pangalan ng tao.
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Pangalan lang ng programa, Bunga Ngera TV.
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So, ganun na lang. Walang accountability. Kahit na anong pambababoy, pwedeng gawin.
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Kaya rin natin kinasuhan ang YouTube at ang Google.
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Dahil sila ang may pangalan. Pumapayag silang ilabas itong mga materyalis na kababoyan at pambabastos, pang-aabuso ng karapatan, abuse of right.
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Yes, you have the right to speak up but you don't have the right to spread this information.
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So, that's why we also sued Google and YouTube.
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Gano'ng katagal na ba itong pagkapalabasan?
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Sa mga malicious information against you?
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Itong particular case na ito, sabihin na natin December.
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Pero yung paglalabas ng malicious information and material about me, siguro magsasampung taon na.
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Tuminding-tumindi ito noong panahon ni Duterte, 2016.
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At kumbaga, lalo lang lumala na lumala.
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But this one was December.
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And nagreklamo kami.
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Alam mo, meron silang pro forma na compliance.
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If you don't comply, pag hindi ka sumasangayon at hindi mo nagustuhan at palagay mong labag sa kanilang community standards yung mga inilalabas na material, magre-reklamo ka.
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Ang problema, hanggang doon na lang.
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So, December yun.
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By March, million views na yung 1.6 or 1.5 million views na yung isang channel.
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But after we filed, a couple of hours after, ayun.
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Parang sa akin, eh, kailangan pa ba kayong kasuhan para mag-take down?
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Eh, ano bang, di ba?
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Pinaabot nyo ng million yung mga nanonood bago kayo umilos.
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Eh, nakakalungkot naman.
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How many of our kababayans can afford a lawyer to prepare a complaint?
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So, they end up suffering in silence.
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So, we're also doing this for all those who are, who feel na they have been taken advantage.
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That they have been violated and abused online.
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We're also doing this for them.
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Medyo nagulat ako rin, Senator.
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Ten years na pala.
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Pero, grabe pasensya nyo, eh.
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Why did it take you this long to actually file a case dito sa specific na YouTuber na ito?
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Well, you know, bilang isang human rights lawyer in the past, no?
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At naging chairman ng Committee on Justice.
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I really don't, I feel yung libel should be decriminalized, no?
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But, hefty penalties.
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Civil damages, di ba?
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A civil case for damages, di ba?
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Moral damages among others, di ba?
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So, but, yun na nga eh.
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Yun yung batas eh.
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Wala nang ibang batas tungkol sa online abuses kung hindi yung Cyber Crime Law of 2012.
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Which I feel is also medyo antedated.
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Medyo, ano na, outdated rather, di ba?
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I had my own thoughts.
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I had my own reservations.
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Pero, alam mo, pamilya ko na eh.
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Asawa ko na, si Sharon, mga anak ko, ang binangabastos at binababoy, no?
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So, hindi na ito, hindi talaga tama, no?
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And therefore, to protect my family, to protect my children, to protect my wife, di ba?
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And to fight for others.
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I feel they also have been taken advantage of and have been subjected to this abusive online platforms.
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I'm filing it also for them.
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Hinahanap ko actually kanina, sir, yung Bunga Ngera TV, no?
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Apparently, it was taken down by YouTube, finally.
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But only after you filed the complaint sa legal process natin.
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Can you give us an idea?
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Gaano ba kalala yung ginawang pamabalahura sa inyo?
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Dahil parang pinapakalag ko pa yung sinasabi nila eh.
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No details, no details.
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Very personal, tama ba?
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Very, very personal?
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Like I said in my statement, it was...
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I was being pictured as abusive, that I abused my...
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You know, I was being abusive to my wife and my children, which is farthest from the truth.
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Would you know kung bakit parang tinarget kayo nitong channel na ito?
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Or YouTuber na ito?
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Well, alam mo, matagal na kasi ako.
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So, siguro, pera-pera na lang ito, no?
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O sino man ang may galit sa atin o ayaw tayong bigyan ng puwang, no?
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In fact, after the 2022 campaign, di tapos na yung eleksyon, di ba?
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Hindi pa naman natapos yung paninira sa amin, eh.
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Tuloy-tuloy pa rin.
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Kaya nakikita mo scripted, no?
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So, I think there really is a...
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There really is a...
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orchestrated, calibrated effort na kaming mga may identified with the opposition
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eh talagang kasama, di ba?
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Kasama sa pagbaboundary nitong mga binabayarang mga troll.
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Nakakalungkot nga.
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Sabi ko nga, hindi pa sila...
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Buhay pa sila pero yung mga kaluluwa nila isinusunog na sa impyerno
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dahil sa pagsisinungaling at kumikita.
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Nang pera, di ba?
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Ang pinagkakakitaan nila eh kung paano magsinungaling.
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Dito, sir, I understand yung frustration at saka yung parang push and pull attitude dito
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kasi nga human rights ang background nyo.
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Tapos ito lang yung batas na available.
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Pero specific to this case, ano yung hinihiling nyo ba?
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Meron bang kulong ito or...
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imprisonment as well as damages, no?
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So, we will take it as far as it goes, di ba?
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Tingnan natin kung ano yung magiging sagot nila.
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Baka namang mag-sorry.
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Baka namang humingi ng paumanhin.
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So, okay kayo panag-sorry sa kabila ng millions of shares and views na yun?
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Hindi ko pa alam.
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I will cross the bridge when I get there.
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Baka naman yung sorry eh galing sa ilong.
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Lumalabas sa ilong.
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At saka grabe yung damage.
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I can only imagine, no?
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Ten years sustained tapos millions of views.
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I mean, paano yung mabawiin yun?
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Yung mga naniwala, di ba?
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Well, that's why we filed the case.
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Because this is the message to those who may have felt that
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or yung naloko o nalinlang o naniwala dito sa kasinungalingan.
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Ito ang patunay na hindi ito totoo as far as we are concerned.
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And that's why we're filing these cases.
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Were you able to identify the person or the people behind that channel specifically?
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That's the trouble.
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In this case, walang pangalan.
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So, meron niyang digital footprint but still, the dilemma there is usually daw yan eh yung IP address is just an area.
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So, not necessarily specific addresses.
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But we have asked the NBI in the petition, in the complaint.
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To preserve, di ba, the links and the material and the videos.
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And we've asked the DOJ likewise, yung kanilang Cybercrime Division, to do the same.
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And to compel YouTube and Google to cooperate in relevant information with respect to itong account na ito.
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Sa Google, sa YouTube, to disclose the names?
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Kasi sir, madali lang, no?
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Ito kasi yung interview natin sa YouTube to, no?
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Naka-register ang pangalan dito, may email.
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So, alam ng YouTube, alam ng Google kung sino yung nasa likod ng bawat channel.
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So, I don't think it's rocket science for you to find out if Google would cooperate.
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Yes, if they would cooperate.
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And that's why, well, I'm not optimistic.
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I wasn't very optimistic given how they simply ignored.
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Mga kahilingan na i-take down ito bago tayo nagsampan ng kaso.
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So, I hope, I hope na magko-cooperate sila.
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It's also for their own good kasi napaka-opake.
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Sabi nga eh, walang transparency.
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Ito nga, tinatanong mo sa akin, sino ba nasa likod yan?
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Tapos ikaw mismo nagsabi sa akin, base dun sa nakita mo, na sila, Google ang nag-take down.
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Initially, hindi ko rin alam kung sila ang nag-take down o tinake down ng may-ari.
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Kasi, hindi mo alam eh.
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Walang transparency, di ba?
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Walang, walang, pwedeng natanungan.
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Pwede kang mag-complain, pero sasagot sila.
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Ang sagot nila, pro forma rin, di ba?
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Parang AI din ata, sumasagot sa atin eh.
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Pati sa Facebook, ganyan eh.
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Nagreklamo rin ako before, pero pro forma eh.
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So, malay ko ba na talagang puro maki na lang ang maharap sa atin?
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At walang pakialam, di ba?
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Pero from the perspective of policymaking, tsaka legislation,
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sabi nyo kanina, meron din kayong misgivings dyan sa Cybercrime Prevention Act of 2012.
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Ano ba yung pwede improvement sa nakikita nyo?
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Especially going by your experience, no?
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Kayo kasi mismo, tinarget eh.
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Well, I think, you know, we had four committee hearings ng constitutional amendments
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and revision of codes.
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I was chairman of that in the last Congress.
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On disinformation, the hearings.
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For on disinformation.
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And very broad and very, how do you call it, comprehensive yung ating naging hearings
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because we invited Google, Amazon, we invited Meta, we invited TikTok.
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Hindi pa nga ata TikTok, hindi pa sikat ng TikTok noon eh.
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Because this was two years ago, no?
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And then, nandun yung DOJ, Maria Reza was there.
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We invited the Makati Business Club.
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So, very comprehensive siya, BIR.
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And maraming kaming recommendations doon.
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One of which has become law, yung registration ng SIM cards.
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There were several other recommendations.
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For example, for the BIR to look into the tax incidents.
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Hindi nagbabayad ng tax itong mga YouTube na ito na Google,
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tsaka ano, dahil sinasabi,
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hindi nila doon sila sa ibang bansa nag-tinatax.
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Pero ang kinikita nila dito sa atin, yung mga ads.
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We also invited the advertising agencies.
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Dahil lumalabas yung mga ads doon sa mga YouTube channel
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na kumikita ng limpak-limpak na salapi sa pagsisinungaling.
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So, tinanong natin, I think, this is also our recommendation
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and ang panawagan natin.
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Sa ating business community,
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huwag niyong papayagan na yung mga digital ad buy ninyo is funding.
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Pumupunta dito sa mga purveyors of disinformation
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at kumikita pa sila.
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In effect, you are enabling them.
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Which, by the way, I forget to mention,
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we are currently reviewing this material.
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Meron pa kasing lumalabas eh.
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At kung may mga ads dyan,
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you know, we are seriously considering filing cases,
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for moral damages against these companies
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that are putting their ads in these YouTube channels
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that are, you know,
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committing criminal libel.
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Kumikit, merong criminal act, you know,
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because it's a crime to commit libel in our jurisdiction,
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na pinupondohan ng ads sa mga kumpanya.
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ang panawagan din natin sa business community,
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be more vigilant.
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Make sure that your digital ad buys do not go to enabling disinformation.
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Kasi mamaya't maya, babalikan din kayo niyan.
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What will stop your competitors, for example,
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from using disinformation to destroy your reputation and image
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and your brand as a, you know, as a company?
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If it can happen to us, politicians,
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sigala, it can happen to anyone.
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And that's why we have to put our foot down.
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Ang panawagan talaga natin is to have a broader stakeholder participation
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in, you know, pushing back dito sa disinformation.
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And key here, really, is the role of Meta, Facebook, YouTube, Google.
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You are earning billions.
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end itong talaga.
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And the other thing is,
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sabi nga nung isang dating Facebook employee,
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when you think about it,
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these Facebook pages,
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these are crime scenes.
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hindi lang libel, ha?
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Cyber libel is one crime.
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Naandyan ang child trafficking.
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Naandyan ang child trafficking.
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Naandyan ang child trafficking.
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Naandyan ang child trafficking.
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Naandyan ang child trafficking.
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Naandyan ang child trafficking.
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Naandyan ang child pornography.
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Naandyan ang women trafficking.
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Ang daming kalokohan.
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hindi mo pa isama dyan yung mga scam.
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Na ginagamit itong mga social media platforms.
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it's time to clean up
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the acts of these social media platforms.
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but we can't do it alone.
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And filing a case is one way of doing this.
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the Department of Justice
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ng legal parameters
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within which pwedeng mag-operate
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o i-identify nila
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how these social media giants
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should be able to operate in our jurisdiction.
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Advanced yung ibang mga jurisdiction.
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social media platforms,
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cyber security laws,
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how do you call it,
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30 states sa United States
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on the algorithms
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because of child,
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yung kanilang policies on minors
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na talagang sinasadya nilang ma-hook,
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to the detriment ng mental health
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ng mga ating mga anak.
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malilinis din natin itong social media.
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ang karapatan ay hindi karapatan
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hanggat hindi ito pinaglalaban.
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So we have to act.
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malilinis natin ito
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ipaglalaban natin.
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Doon po sa mga nanonood sa,
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kung nasusundan nyo po
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yung napaka-comprehensive
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Sa disinformation literature,
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ang tawag dyan sa nilatag niya,
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platform accountability.
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Hindi naman kasi pwedeng puro tayo
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fact-check, fact-check,
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which are all very important.
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Pero kailangan din managot
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yung mga platforms na yan.
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i-illustrate ko sa'yo,
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nung nasa hearing.
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pinalabas ko yung YouTube channel.
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hawak-hawak niya yung
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1,000 pesos na isang bundle
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na sinasampal niya sa mukha niya.
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ganito ba kayo mga senador?
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Ito ba ang dahilan?
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binigit niya yung lahat ng mga senador.
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Pumasok yung isang
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energy drink komersyal.
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Kasi maraming views eh.
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Maraming subscriber.
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So, lumabas yung energy drink komersyal.
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Sa gitna nung ano.
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So, tinanong ko doon sa...
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Pinatawag ko sa Senate kasi
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the company that was
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Producing itong produktong ito
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at naglalabas ng ads.
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Mr. Energy Drink Company?
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Makapahig ba kayo na lumalabas
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dyan sa ganyan channel
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yung produkto ninyo?
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hindi ho kasi kami ang involved
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May media agency,
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Yung media agency,
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well, kasi meron naman kami
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may mga negative list
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na binibigay yung Meta
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yan ang mga ayaw namin
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di ba may brand kayo?
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You want to protect your brand?
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Gusto nyo ba ma-associate
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doon sa mga pagsisinunganik?
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no, of course not.
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Pero, nagtuturuan sila.
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So, nung tinanong niya,
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may ganitong policy.
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ano nang ginawa ninyo?
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Yun nga, may policy kami,
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O, so, ano nangyari?
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beating around the bush.
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So, nagtuturuan lahat.
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kumita yung YouTube influencer na yun
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sa pagsisinungaling
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at pambabago yun ng kapwa.
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O, e, paano na yun?
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the business community,
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the social media giants
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Yan, fact-checking.
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mali-maling facts
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na nagbibigay ng ads.
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parang yung ano eh,
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yung kwento ko nga doon sa
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medyong lumis ng konti,
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Go ahead, go ahead.
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ang sinampahan ng kaso
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dahil sa illegal sale,
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Sino yung bumili?
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walang identification.
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ano negosyo nila?
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Sino ba yung bumili?
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Paano nila binili?
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Kanito galing yung malaking pera?
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May black hole doon
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sa accountability.
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Hindi buo ang picture.
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ang panawagan talaga natin
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sa business community.
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accountable for this information.
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ito na yung realidad,
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Noong past two electoral cycles,
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eh doon talaga nakita po natin
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nag-worsen yung disinformation,
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I-segue ko lang po,
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Kasi talagang kayo biniktima.
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disinformation against you
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when you run for vice president,
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at akala ko matatapos na
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after the elections.
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matindi yung disinformation.
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noong natapos na yung election,
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wala nang disinformation.
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Yun yung kwento sa akin ni Bame.
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grabe yung disinformation
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Pagtapos noong May 2019,
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Zero disinformation.
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O talagang pang-election lang.
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Project lang talaga.
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pagkatapos ng election,
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Hindi kami tinigilan.
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Kami ni Vice President Lenin.
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Tuloy-tuloy pa rin.
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natatakot ba sila?
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O natakot ba doon
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Gusto talaga nilang,
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pagkatapos ng halalan.
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Kaya tinitira pa rin.
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That could be one of the reasons.
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maraming sa akin,
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maraming nagtatanong din
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at nakikita ko po online.
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Ano bang planan niyo
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ang konteksto po natin,
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Miski nagpa-plastikan
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Pinaparesign si Bongbong Marcos
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ni Sarah Duterte,
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So, despite that,
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si Sarah nasa gabinete pa rin.
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Ang madalas na nakukukupunta
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dito sa programa,
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legit na opposition?
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si Dutte position.
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So, ano po ba ang plano?
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As far as you're concerned.
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talagang makikita mo naman
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na pinag-uusapan nila
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yung pangakong na uwi sa Paco.
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Which already gives you a sense
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ang mga layunin nito.
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At nakakalungkot.
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actually the question is,
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meron bang puwang
25:53.9
for an alternative to both?
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Pretty much, diba?
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Nagustuhan nyo ba
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ang ganitong pagtalakay?
26:07.5
Informador FB page
26:09.7
sa Informador YouTube channel.
26:12.7
ay nilikha ng mga staff
26:14.0
ni Atty. Ricky Tumuturgo
26:17.1
upang lalong lumawak
26:19.2
ng pagpapalaganap
26:22.7
at kasinungalingan.
