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ang daming nagsasabi na hindi daw fugitive from justice, itong si Pastor Kibuloy, hindi daw siya wanted.
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Yan, hindi daw siya wanted.
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Kaya lang mga kabatas natin, pag si dating Pangulong Duterte na nagsabi na wanted siya, what can we do?
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Eh pero syempre, exactly, let's talk about who is a fugitive from justice.
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Ang pinaka-basic na definition ng person, who is a fugitive from justice, is a fugitive from justice.
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Ang pinaka-basic na definition ng person, who is a fugitive from justice, mga kabatas natin, is a person na kailangan.
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Kailangan na nasa kustudiya o jurisdiction ng judicial system, ang justisya.
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So, paano ka magiging fugitive from justice?
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Kapag ikaw ay nahatulan sa isang korte by final judgment, tapos ikaw dapat ay makakulong pero tumakas ka.
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Kapag ikaw ay nakulong ka, nakulong.
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Nakulong na, tapos tumakas ka sa kulungan, you are a fugitive from justice.
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If you have an outstanding warrant of arrest and you don't subject yourself sa jurisdiction ng korte, magiging wanted ka rin.
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Or a fugitive from justice, katulad nga ng sinabi dito ni dating Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte.
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So, I think this clears the air na.
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Diba? This clears the air na.
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Kasi may mga lawyers din ako nakita.
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Well, of course, tama naman sila.
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Disagree lang si Duterte.
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Yung mga ibang abogado na nagsabi na hindi naman siya wanted o hindi siya fugitive from justice, tama naman sila.
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Disagree lang si Duterte.
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Kasi nga, you're wanted, sabi niya.
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Siyempre, pag wanted, fugitive from justice.
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From supporter to laglag, real quick.
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Sa tingin ko, hindi naman todo laglag ito eh.
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Sabi niyang ganyan, may press conference kasi, Thursday night.
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Ipa-play natin, no?
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Sabi niya, nasa bahay ko, look, magkain na lang ako pagkatapos mag-uwi ako.
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Pagpasya na lang yung pagsalitain natin, mga kabatas natin.
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Meron siyang press conference dito.
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I would say that,
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you can go to court and fix your case and post a bail ban.
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Yan din yung payo ko sa kanya because I am a lawyer also.
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I am an officer of the court.
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Former President Digong is also a lawyer.
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So, naturally, yan yun.
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That would be an option.
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But if you don't,
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I think that you will get a fair deal with this administration because we have been talking about Marcos and everything.
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Ito lang kasi, yung sinabi niya dito, may shade sa Marcos administration.
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Alam niyo, maganda rin yung choice of words na ginamit ni dating Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte dito.
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Kasi sabi niya, pag sinabi niya na I think you cannot get a fair deal,
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parang opinion niya yun.
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Pero, nung sinabi niya na if you think you cannot get a fair deal,
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parang sinasabi niya na kayo,
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iniisip niyo hindi kayo makakuha ng fair deal sa Marcos administration dahil sa nangyayaring ito,
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Huwag kang lumabas dyan sa Tamayo.
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Nandiyan lang yun sa Tamayo.
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Huwag kang lumabas dyan sa Tamayo, sabi niya.
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ang tanong kasi na marami dito,
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attorney, obstruction of justice ba yan?
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Kaya nung sinabi nila parang may laglagan na,
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Pero dito sinabi niya pa rin na parang huwag kang lumabas.
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Pero option pa rin naman kasi yan ni Pastor Kibuloy.
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Si dating Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte dito,
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Digong na lang ang tawag natin sa kanya.
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ang haba-haba ng dating Pangulo,
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yung senator-senator na yan.
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Kilala naman na natin sila.
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we don't need to call them with their positions.
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Ito nga yung tanong sa akin,
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is it obstruction of justice?
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I don't think so.
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In the first place,
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sinabi naman dito ni Duterte,
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na wala naman sa kustudiya niya.
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O kaya hindi niya naman tinatago.
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Kapag tinatago niya,
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malamang pwede pa.
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Pero mga kabatas natin,
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pag titignan nyo kasi yung obstruction of justice naman,
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mga kabatas natin,
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hindi actually kabilang doon yung pagtatago.
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Tignan nyo yung mga posts natin doon.
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Na parang kunwari,
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knowingly or unknowingly,
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you are harboring a criminal.
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criminal na ba itong si Pastor Kibuloy?
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Hindi pa siya criminal.
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Pag titignan nyo yung ating ano,
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titignan nyo sa obstruction of justice,
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merong specific doon.
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Merong mga specific doon.
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Ito ang mga kabatas natin, no?
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Penalizing obstruction of apprehension and prosecution of criminal offenders.
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Pag titignan nyo dito,
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preventing witnesses from testifying.
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Altering, destroying, suppressing or concealing any paper, record, document or object
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with intent to impair its verity, authenticity,
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destruction of evidence,
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in other words, mga kabatas natin, nagagamitin.
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Harboring or concealing or facilitating the escape of any person he knows or has reasonable ground to believe
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or suspect has committed any offense under existing penal laws in order to prevent his arrest, prosecution or conviction.
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Ito ang mga kabatas natin, no?
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Any person he knows or has reasonable ground to believe or suspect has committed any offense.
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Tandaan nyo dito, mga kabatas natin, no?
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Ang ating basihan dito,
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any person he knows or has reasonable ground to believe or suspect has committed any offense.
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Nag-commit siya ng offense,
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meron siyang knowledge about the offense na ginawa niya.
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So, ito kasi mga kabatas natin,
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sinabi naman nitong si dating President Rodrigo Duterte,
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si Digong, mga kabatas natin,
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na wala naman sa kanya.
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O hindi niya hinaharbor or tinatago o pinapatakas
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Tapos ito kasi mga kabatas natin, no?
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Has reasonable ground to believe or suspect has committed any offense.
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Paano pag sinabi mo na naniniwala naman ako
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na wala siyang ginawang masama?
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Yun kasi ang punto dyan, eh.
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Has reasonable ground to believe.
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That is a personal belief.
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That's a personal belief and that is personal knowledge.
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Kaya dito tayo magkakaroon ng problema dyan.
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Hindi kasi basta-basta,
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na kapag kunwari,
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knowingly or unknowingly,
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eh ma-violate mo na ito.
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dapat meron kang personal knowledge.
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Or you have reasonable ground to believe.
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O kaya hindi mo talaga i-deny mo?
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O kaya hindi mo talaga alam?
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May kinalaman ba yung tao doon?
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O may meron ba siyang personal knowledge doon sa mga ginawa ng isang taong ito?
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At naniniwala ka na ito ay isang, isang tao na, ano,
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nag-commit ng any offense?
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Publicly using a fictitious name for the purpose of concealing a crime.
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The prosecution of criminal case by obstructing the service or process of or court's orders
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or disturbing proceedings in the fiscal offices, in tanud bayan, or in courts.
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mangiistorbo ka doon.
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Para matigil yung mga proseso.
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Making, presenting, or using any record, document, paper, or object.
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gumagawa ng mga peking dokumento.
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Soliciting, accepting, or agreeing to accept any benefit in consideration of abstaining from discounting
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or impeding the prosecution of a criminal offender.
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Threatening directly or indirectly another with the infliction of any wrong upon his person, honor.
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Giving false or fabricated information to mislead or prevent the law enforcement agencies from apprehending the offender
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or from protecting the life or property of the victim.
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Para i-mislead sila.
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And not for publication and publishing disseminating the same to mislead the investigator or the court.
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Well, siyempre, tulad ng lagi kong sinasabi.
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Sinabi naman ni ano.
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Tingnan nyo kasi yung sinabi niya dito, no?
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Huwag kang lumabas sa tamayo.
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Pagtitignan natin dito kasi mga kabatas natin.
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Sinabi niya kasi.
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Look, magkain lang ako.
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Pagkatapos, pero mag-uwi ako.
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Magsama tayo doon sa bahay ko.
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Ibuhos ko na lang ang pera ko para maligaya kayo kung makita niya si Kibuloy sa bahay ko.
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Ito kasi sinasabi lang nasa bahay niya.
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Sabi niya wala sa bahay niya.
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Sabi niya ganyan.
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Susurrender ba sayo?
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Sabi niya hindi siya tatanggapin pag sumurrender sa kanya kasi hindi siya authority.
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Sinabi niya dito nandyan lang yan sa tamayong.
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So, ito pwede bang giving false information?
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Well, we don't know if it's true or false pa.
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Pwede namang nandun tapos lumipat eventually.
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Malaki lang ang tamayong.
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Let me educate all of you.
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Ang tamayong malaki yan.
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Sa loob maraming bahay.
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Make sure nasa isang bahay ay nandyan siya because for every bahay, it should be different search.
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O parang sinasabi niya nga na nasa tamayong siya at kumuha kayo ng ano.
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Doon kayo mag-search.
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Mag-ikot siya dyan.
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By the time na matapos o mapagod ka na, you will become a member of KJC.
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Sabi niya according to Duterte still communicating with Kibuloy when asked about the last time he talked to him.
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But the last time he talked to Kibuloy, he answered kanina.
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So nag-uusap pa sila.
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Make sure nasa isang bahay na siya.
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Not to go into waste.
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Sayang nandyan na yan.
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Anong sinabi niya dito?
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Ito rin kasi yung sinasabi nila na nagpapatawa lang daw.
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Parang ginagawa ni Digong ito in jest.
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Obstruction of justice ba yun?
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Like I shared to you na mga kabatas natin kung ano yung obstruction of justice.
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Most likely mga kabatas natin, pwede siyang mapabilang dito sa harboring or concealing or facilitating the escape of any person he knows.
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Pero mga kabatas natin already said wala naman sa bahay niya yun.
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Or unknowingly or.
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Ito kasi mga kabatas natin pag kunwari.
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Tulad nga yung sinabi ko sa inyo.
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Ang pinaka-importante dito eh, reasonable ground to believe or suspect has committed any offense.
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What if you don't believe that you don't have a reasonable ground or you don't have a belief that he committed any offense?
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Yan ang tanong dyan eh.
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So sasabay nila, oh you are harboring or concealing a criminal.
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Walang ginawang mazamayan.
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Hindi nga maka ano yan eh.
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Makapatay ng lamok yan eh.
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So sabay nga nila baka nga nagpapatawa lang siya.
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Tapos siguro dito, giving false or fabricated information, dyan malapit.
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Pero wala din eh.
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It's very difficult to prove also.
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What if doon wala.
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Kasi pag sinasabi nila na parang minimistead lang siya na sinasabing doon sa tamayong.
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Minimistead lang yung mga tamayong.
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Wala talaga siya sa tamayong.
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Nasa ibang bansa na siya.
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Para masayang yung resources ng gobyerno, para mapagod sila, pinapapunta doon.
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Paano nung time na nagsalita siya, nandun talaga siya.
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Tapos eventually, dahil sinabi niya kung nasaan na siya, umalis na siya doon.
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So it's difficult to prosecute it under letter I.
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Paano pag napanood din ni Pastor Quiboloyan, kahit kunwari nag-away na sila, diba?
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Tapos sabi ni Digong, nandun siya sa tamayong.
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O di pumunta siya sa tamayong.
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Pagpunta niya, wala.
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E paano pag umalis na?
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Maraming salamat mga batis natin.
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At syempre tulad na lang yung sinasabi.
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Matulog po tayo ng mahimbing dahil alam natin na yung natutulog ng mahimbing, siya yung laging panalo.
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Paalam po, pansamantala.
