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usap itong China neto.
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So, diplomacy is less about compromise
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but more about imposing their will
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on the Philippines. Just to be clear about this,
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in the Department of Foreign Affairs,
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it coincided with
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the so-called, at least,
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three-nosed red line nila,
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militarization or reclamation sa Scarborough
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or Shoal, no unilateral
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development of resources sa
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West Philippines sa ating
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exclusive economic zone. And pangatlo sabi nila,
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no forcible expulsion of our troops.
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I'm just trying to be fair also to them because
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this is officially what Cayetano said.
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But can you just clarify to us
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why yung sinisabing status
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is inherently inimical to our national
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interest or contrary to our national interest
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as the DFA put it? Can you explain to us
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the logistics of that? If hindi
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natin na-fortify itong
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BRP siya na madre, how is
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that against our national interest?
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Para lang doon sa mga iba na mukhang hindi nila alam yung
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logistical realities on the ground.
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context, meron tayong
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formations or reefs na
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Then, kasama na dyan
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yung ayungin. Yung ayungin
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through the BRP Sierra Madre.
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So yung status ko
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nung rotation ng sa
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pag-asa and other
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outposts, walang problema
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ipe-prevent mo yung pag-repair
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BRP Sierra Madre,
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detrimental to our interest yun.
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Kasi nga, ano na siya eh.
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Dilapidated na yung
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At pagka hindi yan
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talagang ano na yan.
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Baka isang typhoon na lang yan.
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It would be swept away.
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Pagka nawala yan dyan,
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therefore, pwede na nilang
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dapaan niyang ayungin na yan
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Ilalagay lang natin yung history niyan.
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Bakit ba natin sinadsad yan?
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Sinadsad natin yan in response
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pagkuhan nila ng mischief reef.
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Diba? Mischief reef.
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Una, naglagay sila ng
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fisherman's shelter.
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Tapos, ano, eventually,
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nilagyan na nila ng base.
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So, in response, ito ngayon,
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yung Arab administration,
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nagsadsad sila ng BRP
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Shera Madre. I was still in the Navy
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then, kaya alam ko yung
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ano nun, surrounding
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circumstances nun. Maraming
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mga options na nilatag
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in response dun sa ginawa nila
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sa mischief reef. Pero ultimately,
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they ended up with
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what is this? Running aground
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dito ang BRP Shera Madre.
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Pero ang nakita ko lang na bago
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rotation, mga Navy, ano yan,
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personnel lang nandiyan dyan,
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may officer pa. So, yung
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maintenance ng barko, ano yan eh?
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Philippine Navy personnel.
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Yung pagre-repair ng deck,
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pag-maintain ng naval guns,
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yung communications equipment, etc.
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But then, during the
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GMA administration,
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I don't know kung sinong
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palitan yung Navy personnel
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ng mga Marine personnel.
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sabi ko nga, sa digmaan,
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maasahan mo sila.
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But they don't have any idea
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on how to maintain
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wala na, napabayaan na.
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Navy pa lang yung nandod doon,
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naka-assigned doon, kahit
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they were operating as though
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this was a regularly
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commissioned Navy ship.
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So, yung mayre-repair, mayre-repaint yung
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deck, na kinakalawang,
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as thorough yung maintenance niya
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as the ships na nandod doon
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sa Cavitan Naval Base.
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Pero nung tinanggal na, ito na ngayon.
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Na dilapidated na talaga siya,
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napapabayaan na siya.
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Kaya, ang initial suggestion ko dyan,
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tayo ng Navy personnel
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bosom smith rating na tinatawag namin,
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those who are adept at maintaining
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So, kaya nilang i-repair yan.
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Would you believe, Richard,
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pagka binalik mo yan sa Navy
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with the proper logistical support,
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they can bring that back
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almost original state?
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kahit nandod doon sa gitna ng ayungin.
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Kasi that's the maintenance
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culture of the Philippine Navy.
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Sir, to be honest,
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I really appreciate this, kasi parating
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kong iniisip, kasi nag-
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I give talks doon sa iba-ibang branch ng
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AFP, yung isang time sa mga Marines naman,
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sabi niya, Sir, actually kami yung
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nagbabantay dyan, and then, oh nga no,
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sabi ko, yeah, Marines. So I was wondering,
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what is, ano yung kasaysayan na yung
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Marines ay nandun, hindi yung
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Philippine Navy? So thank you so much for explaining
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that, which I think is a perfect segue, no?
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Because the next thing I want to talk about
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is itong quadrilateral
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patrols. Finally nangyayari yan.
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Of course, may ibang mga
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ex-Duterto official
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na senador ngayon na re-election is
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nag-to-take credit dito sa
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quadrilateral summit na yan, kasi
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na-mention daw niya last year, and I was saying, actually,
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mini-mention namin lahat yan for six,
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seven years, dahil lang sa
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ating boss mo hindi nangyayari yan, so
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it has nothing to do with you. But anyway,
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putting aside itong mga antics ng mga ex-Duterto
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official, now, suddenly, matapang
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na sa West Philippine Sea.
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Anong ambag ng itong quadrilateral
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and other things na inisipin natin?
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very honest about this, I'm a little bit
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patronizing tone coming from some of the
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American experts and officials na
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tulungan natin mga Pilipino, kailangan
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nila ng joint patrols, mga gano'n. Like,
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I see the point of stronger
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military cooperation and all, pero
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katulad ng sinabi niyo kanina, kayang-kayang
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naman natin gawin yan. We can fortify this on
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Mas malalaki tayong mga barko,
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di ba? We haven't used the best
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of the best yet, di ba?
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Logistically, what is your
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suggestion here? Should the Philippines
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also do joint resupply with the US?
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Should the Americans have drones
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in the area all the time?
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Or corvettes or frigates?
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How can our allies be more useful?
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And how can we make sure China doesn't harass us
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the way they have done? Kasi,
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ang tanong ko rin dito sa inyo,
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Sen. Trillanes, is that for a long time,
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from the time you did your own
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backdoor negotiations with China to this
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gentleman's agreement, etc., under Digong,
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China has not fired a shot.
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I mean, as far as, you know,
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guns go or cannons go.
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But itong mga water cannons nila
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is increasingly lethal. Kaya ang suggestion ko naman,
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sabi ko to sa gobyerno, i-compare nyo
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yung punching power ni Mike Tyson
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dun sa water cannons. So people
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realize, lethal ito.
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It's almost lethal. So, what are the
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options we have? What is the best way for us to
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assert our rights there without being harassed
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or do it best? And at the same time,
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make sure we get help from our allies.
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Marami, no? Maraming
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pwedeng gawin. Pero kasi
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intindihan natin,
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kung ang objective ng Marcos administration
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international attention,
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kasi talagang if you charter
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a wooden ship, talagang
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magbubugbugin siya na that way, no?
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But, kung gusto mo ng
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ipapadala mo yung white ships mo,
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yung Coast Guard vessels mo na
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medyo malaki-laki, eh kaya naman
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water cannons na yon. Kasi they were
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designed actually to
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withstand mga typhoons.
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Diba? Eh yun lang, water
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cannon, kaya yon. Ngayon,
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another way is pwede
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kayong makipagbombahan
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ang water cannon doon. Diba?
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Meron din yung Coast Guard, which is
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what the Japanese
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Coast Guard did during the
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Senkaku standoff. Pero para
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na kayong mga batang nagwa-water gun,
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ano, diba? Battle.
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Ano yun, eh? There's
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nothing to be achieved there.
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Kaya nga, depende yun sa focus
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Marcos administration. If
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it's to draw international
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attention kung papano nang bubuli
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yung China, well, they were able
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to achieve it. Diba? They were
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able to achieve that. Kasi kung
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Coast Guard vessel dadali mo dyan,
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kahit na ano yan, eh,
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ano yun, eh, kayang-kaya yon
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barko. So hindi kagano
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sympathy. Diba? Pero dahil
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if it's really by design,
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itong ngayon, nakadraw ka ng mga
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international coalition
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to, ano, at least
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us, then itong namensyo mo na,
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ito naman, parang ano lang ito, eh.
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an idea na we're not alone
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in this. Diba? Pwede yan, yung
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freedom of navigation patrols
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operations. Pero,
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malayo yan, eh, yung
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pinaggawa nung, pinagpatrolya nung
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quad doon sa Ayungin.
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pwede mong gawin yan, pero
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kailangan kakalculate mo din
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ano ba yung magiging response nila.
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So pataasin ng pataas yan.
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Escalate ng escalate yan. So until
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magkakaroon ka ng standoff,
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then doon ka ngayon. Babalik
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ka doon sa situation doon sa
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2012 na, ano yun,
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depende na yun sa kausap.
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black channel approach that worked in 2012
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this time around because
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foreign policy shift of
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which is ano na, open
10:35.5
expansion na. At ano na
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road state na sila, eh.
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Nawala na yung belt and road
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economic, kumbaga they were
10:49.5
trying to charm the whole world with their
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with their economic
10:53.5
might. Pero ito hindi na.
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Natipong, sige, we will
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with you on this.
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sinasabi natin, pwede.
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Another approach is, and I've been
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suggesting this, pwede naman
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heliborne yung operations.
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Coast Guard ship yan, may
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heliborne capacity
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yan. So, magdadala sila
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doon, ten minutes away, ayungin,
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they will drop the supplies, then
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eventually nga, pwede tayong maglagay
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ng helideck dyan sa
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sa BRP Sierra Madre. So,
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rotation, pwede rin
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ganon through that.
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So, pagka ganon kasi ginawa, eh,
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sino yung maharangan nila?
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Hindi nila maharang yun.
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If they do anything aggressive,
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helicopter, at mag-crush
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yun, aba, iba na yun.
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Problema nila yun. As you
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mentioned nga, diba? Tama na mutual defense treaty yan,
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because very clear ang, at least Trump and Biden,
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na any attack on our vessels,
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aircrafts, and soldiers and personnel
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will activate the mutual defense treaty.
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kaya nga nakita mo, diba, as you
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inaano nila, iniskirt nila yung
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bastis doon lang sa gray zone
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sila. Kasi anything
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beyond the red line, magti-trigger
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ng mutual defense treaty. So,
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pwede nilang gawin itong ginagawa nila.
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Mag-charter kayo ng wooden ship, mukha
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kang underdog talaga. Pero,
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itago mo yung mga tao mo para hindi
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sila masasaktan. Diba?
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Pero, gusto mo nang medyo sturdy
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siya, or all-weather ship,
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yung Coast Guard, meron silang
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ganyang vessels that can withstand
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typhoons, so kayang-kaya nila yung
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water cannon, and they can proceed.
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Just ignoring the
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water cannons of China,
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or they can do what
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the Japanese did during the
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Senkaku standoff, magpotokan
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sila ng water cannon. Diba?
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Or, they can do the
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Heliborne approach.
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So, these are just
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some of the ways, ano,
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na pwedeng gawin without escalating
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or directly involving the Americans.
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Or directly involving the Americans.
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Kasi, feeling ko, medyo ahead of time,
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medyo advanced mag-isip yung iba na,
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eh, dapat yung kasama yung US sa resupply.
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Ako kasi, ang concern ko dito is,
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we don't want to come up as
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tuta ng Amerika, masyadong dependent sa Amerika.
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Because I think we're very much capable of doing this
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on our own. Tama pang sabi na,
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medyo malalaki-laki na yung mga Coast Guard
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vessels natin, medyo matinun na rin yung ibang
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warships natin. So, in fairness kay Pinoy,
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throughout the past decade, medyo nag-
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modernize naman yung capabilities natin.
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But siguro the US, do you
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think they should still have an over
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the horizon presence? Maybe just
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frigates in the area or some drone?
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Just in case to make the Chinese
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think twice. I mean, they have been doing that anyway,
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but even more explicit
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institutionalized. Okay.
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They have been doing that, and
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you know why? Because, ano sila,
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stakeholders sila doon sa mutual defense
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treaty. Kaya binabantayan nila
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yung ating resupply missions.
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Because, they would be able
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to know firsthand
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kung kailangan nilang i-trigger yung
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mutual defense treaty. And yun din
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ang pinakang guard mo
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against over-aggressiveness
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To the point na may
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masasaktan o mamamatay
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na Navy personnel. Yun.
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let's talk about this upcoming trilateral
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summit. Because one of the things that
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is expected to be
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signed shortly after actually
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the trilateral summit is a visiting forces
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agreement style deal with Japan. There's
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still some debate about
