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Do you think Grace Poe could also be a factor in 2020?

Kasi parang kinansel siya ng mga dilawan, for the lack of a better term.

Because biniblame siya for Mars loss, although I have big questions with that claim.

Based on second, third preferences.

What is your read on the Grace Poe? Because Poe is also a form of populism, right?

Except Grace Poe is more than just a populist-carrying her father's name.

And just for full disclosure,

we were supporting Sen. Grace Poe back in 2016.

And like you, we don't agree with that.

Yung sinasabi nilang, iyan siya ang reason kung ba't natalo si...

Hindi talaga ganon.

Kung nag-withdraw man si Sen. Grace Poe from the presidency,

tataas lang ang lamang ni Duterte over Mar Rojas.

Because iba talaga yung nila.

Yung gusto nila, kaya dilipat.

So anyway, what's done is done.

Ngayon, nakikita ko, ang idea nila is if they are going to push for Rafi Tulfo for president,

siguro magandang parisa ng somebody nice.

And ano, alam mo yun, babae na, tipong very...

Nocturnal image.

Oo, parang maso-open yung image. Parang ganon.

Siguro yun yung compliment na naisip nila.

And at the same time, palagay ko na na-expose na rin yung kumagayong myth

na when they elected people like Robin Padilla,

Amy Marcos sa vice presidency,

ngayon nakita nila na may mga aspetong kulang.

And in the case ni Amy Marcos,

because of the open war between the Marcoses and the Dutertes,

siya yung casualty.

And tinatamaan din talaga.

Yung numbers niya all around.

And we're getting similar results in our internal survey.

And let's now go to the last but most important part of our episode.

Pag-usapan naman natin ang opposition.

Because Lenny still ends up at number three dun sa policy she served for 2028.

I mean, we can have a lot of conversation about it.

But it looks like Lenny still being considered as the standard bearer for the opposition should 2028 come.

What does that say?

Because for me, one thing,

I found interesting in the OCTA researches.

One of their researches was about political affiliation.

So nung tinignan nila,

31% is with BBM camp, Loyalista.

20% is with the Duterte camp.

Although I'm shocked na may 1% pa rin ng mga Ilocanos supporting Dutertes.

I was like, sino ito mga Ilocano niya?

I don't see that in bag.

Siguro mga taga-dabao na Ilocano yan.

Kasi may 1%.

Kasi mayroon siyang sub-regional.

So I go, hmm, sino ito mga 1% niya?

Patawagin ko ngayon.

So that was a very interesting survey.

I found it very, very helpful.

Kasi makikita mo, believable yung mga sub-demographics din eh.

And then, 4% traditional opposition, my understanding, is probably Liberal Party to.

And then, 45%, either undecided, independent, up for grabs.

Hindi pa parang good news yan, Sen. Trillianes,

that there's just so much more out there that we can explore in terms of mobilizing na

hindi benta mga Duterte.

Sa kanila, hindi benta mga Marcoses sa kanila.

I suppose that will also reflect on the Tulfo brand and all.

So there's a large constituency that is still not mobilized.

And perhaps, maybe that should be the conversation for the opposition.

Kasi kanina, purong ibang pinag-usapan natin.

Let's now talk about the option for the opposition.

Real opposition, not the digong opposition.

Okay.

While you may have seen the numbers of Lenny Robredo na medyo significant,

at 11.

But ako naman, ang nakita ko ron, from 28%, just two years ago.

Because hindi niya kinonsolidate at pinabayaan, basically, yung base na yun, bumaba ng 11.

So I'm not saying na parang it's a strong 11, but no, pababa yun.

From 28 yun eh.

And that's the same thing that happened in 2016.

She got 33% of the vote.

But then when she decided to run for president, she only was, I think, 6 or 7.

So inayaan mo nang bumaba ng bumaba.

And ganoon na naman nangyayari dito.

Kaya I believe, kailangan na natin talagang mag-bago ng liderato.

And si Sen. Teresa is very much ready to assume that leadership role.

If only itong si Vice President Lenny,

would openly, categorically, and definitively say,

Sen. Teresa, ikaw na, hindi na ako tatakbo.

And she can ask the pollsters to strike her name off any 2028 list for president.

Yan eh kung totoong ayaw niya na, or hindi na siya interesado, tumakbo for president.

Kasi kung...

Interesado ka naman pala, then do the legwork.

Di ba?

Mag-trabaho ka.

I-consolidate mo yung pinagkatiwalaan tayo ng 2028.

Siya, in for a front matter, pinagkatiwalaan siya ng 2022.

Ng 28% of the people.

I-anohan mo.

Kung mag-consolidate mo.

Tapos do the other necessary preparation.

Para kung 2028, edi she will win.

Pero kung ganoon ulit na style na tipong,

Teka muna, mabahala na muna kay John.

I'll just go around the world muna.

Mag-chill muna ako.

Teka muna, what about the problems of the country?

Di ba? Hindi naman natapos yung problema ng bansa nung natalo siya.

So ano ba yun?

Did she stop caring about the problems of the country?

So ano yung mga leadership...

Traits na dinidisplay niya dito.

Or lack thereof, di ba?

Ngayon, sabi ko nga, kung talagang wala naman ng plano,

edi definitively sabihin mo na, hindi na ako talaga tatakbo.

Final na yan.

Sen. Riza, good luck. I will help you.

I will turn over.

So she should do a second passing down the...

Talagang, eto na talaga.

Si Riza, by the way, ganoon.

Should she remind everyone that Riza is the opposite?

Yes.

Kasi yung unang passing of the baton, ano yun eh?

Merong hangover pa eh.

People were still clinging on to that image of a Lenny Robredo presidency.

Kaya hindi pa nagsink in noong time na yun.

Tsaka hindi siya widely disseminated.

Pero kung gagawin niya ito ulit, definitively,

then mas ma-appreciate yun ng tao.

Okay, we'll move on na from Riza it is.

Then let's start rallying around the senatorial...

Riza.

And I think that's the only hope for the independent opposition

to have a chance in 2020.

And again, just to be fair here,

siguro ang tingin ko is there are people,

I'm not saying Lenny, but maybe there are strategists of her who are saying,

let's have strategic ambiguity, if I can put it that way.

Para siya yung sa West Philippine si Paul.

Let's have a strategic ambiguity.

Let's see what she does.

If 2025, she wins, she wins at local government office,

and then she does well, then who knows?

Maybe she'll be in that position.

What you're saying is that neither here nor there

is kind of a suboptimal for everyone

because it doesn't allow for Riza to step up.

It also doesn't necessarily put her in the best position

to get the ball rolling for 2020.

Because we can see Sarah is already in a campaign mode in one way or another.

Rafi is already doing that, although he's not directly attacking Sarah.

But clearly, we see what Rafi's strategy,

is don't talk about Sarah, make sure that you do your part well.

And that strategy is working wonders for Rafi Tulfo so far

from ilang percent lang siya nung two years ago, di ba?

Ngayon, 35, magpo 40 percent to siya.

So what you're saying is that this neither here nor there,

medyo mali-late na tayo, even though some would say,

hindi, malayo pa naman ng 2028, eh.

Masyado naman kayong atat, masyado kayong advance mag-isip kayong dalawa, eh.

Well, yung ambiguous approach na yan,

yan yung ginawa nila nung 2020,

in the lead up to 2022, di ba?

Look at what happened to us.

Kung nag-e-expect ka ng different result, di ba?

Dapat, teka muna, the same approach, different result,

medyo may problema tayo dyan.

Tapos, sabi ko nga, ma-equate ko yan dun sa, ano eh,

sa no comment ni Sarah, eh.

Di ba?

Baka uso talaga ng strategy.

Oo, parang gano'n.

Oo, eh, ano na, parang ito lang yung sa akin, ano?

From a purely public service point of view,

bakit kailangan ka pa ba hikayatin or kumbinsihin itong makbong presidente?

Di ba?

Kung talagang nakikita mong you have the capacity to make a difference in the lives of the people

at marami kang nasimulan ng mga base,

and besides, vice president ka eh.

Di ba?

Hindi ba dapat,

ando do na yun sa'yo, na tipong, sige, let's go for it.

Bakit kailangan pang kumbinsihin?

Kung talagang mahal mo yung bayan, magkukusa ka.

So, yun yung problema ko dyan.

Hindi dapat, eh na, ano,

hindi dapat nililigawan ang leader.

Dapat yung leader namumuno.

Right, just a tiny point on this.

Again, I mentioned yung 40-45% somehow up for grabs.

How do we get those people on the side of the good fight, Sen. Tertulianes?

Ano yung mga katangihan, ano yung mga attributes, ano yung mga positioning na sa tingin mong kailangan natin?

Especially mga kabataan, di ba?

Aside from making better TikTok videos and travel vlogs,

ano pang ibang kailangan natin, Sen. Tertulianes?

Well, remember, yun ang nga kaya binabalik ko dun sa 28% ni VP Lenny just two years ago.

Yun, they held on to that dream.

Di ba? Ando dun yun.

So, part of that 45% is the 28%.

Kasi ang hiniwalay lang naman is the Duterte 21% and the 20% and the 31% of the Marcoses.

4% lang yung Liberal Party opposition.

Oo. So, bakit? For that matter, yung 4% nag-shrink pa.

So, dati 28%. So, yung 24% niya na bumoto sa kanya, nando doon sa 45%.

Di ba? So, in fact, kung sino pinakamalakas,

kinawalang dito, si Lenny, yung pink base,

ando doon siya kasi naghahanap sila ng leader.

So, the Tulfo-Sara is essentially the split of unity, di ba?

Yung 60 na yan, na-split niya ni Sara and Tulfo.

I believe so.

So, ngayon, pagka lumiwanag na yung leadership ng pink movement,

yun yun, magka-gravitate yun towards that.

Kasi ngayon talaga napabayaan eh.

Pabayaan.

Kaya, naghahanap.

Or iba, nasa parang, ano muna, yung holding pattern.

Ano ba nangyayari dyan? Sige, abangan natin.

But, ano, I believe, ano yan, it boils down to the next leader of the independent opposition.

Kung paano niya ay kakamada yung kanyang organization.

Paano niya ay kakamada yung kanyang mensahe.

At paano niya ma-inspire.

Yung 45%.

Or at least yung 25 na yun.

Na siya yung kailangan pagkatiwalaan, mamuno na ating bansa after the Marcos administration.

Very, very good point.

Actually, even more optimistic than I was considering.

You're right.

Dun sa 40 plus percent na yan, maybe half of that were already sympathetic,

if not already involved in the pink movement.

So, that just tells you how much more is on top tier or under top tier.

Kaya, mahalaga itong mga katulad.