NAGSASAPAWAN SA SENADO: HALOS AYAW PAGSALITAIN ANG ISA'T ISA SA ISYU UKOL SA MASUNGI GEORESERVE
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Tell it to the Marines.
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Tell it to the Marines.
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Eh, huwag mo nasabihin sa akin.
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Ako, alam kong pwede yun.
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Hindi po, pwedeng basta-basta na lang po natin
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ituturo kung sino dyan sa,
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protection po ito ng mga IPs.
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Eh, alam nyo naman yung IPs,
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madaling may-influence yan eh.
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Kaya nga po, we have this.
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Kaya, Madam President,
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Kaya nga po, we have this.
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ako muna magsalita.
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Kasi I'm explaining eh.
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Inaagaw niya po yung time ko eh.
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I was the one explaining.
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And my witness is the minority leader.
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We suspend session for a minute.
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Please remain seated.
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I want touent you for a minute, Madam President.
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disagree with you na
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kailangan din natin yung mining.
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Pero dapat responsible
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mining at dapat sa
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tamang lokasyon. At kapag marami
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po nagreklamong mga Pilipino,
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pakinggan po natin. In fact, pati
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po yung mga foreigner, third
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party na gumawa po ng auditing,
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sila mismo ay nag-oppose na hindi
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dapat ituloy niyo siya na gold. Pero pinagpipilitang
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Okay na tayo po dyan.
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last but not the least.
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Ito na po yung sinasabi niyo kanina.
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conservation area.
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Ancestral domain.
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last but not the least,
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Masungi conservation
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area na meron pong ancestral
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Talaga pong ano, there's something
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wrong with the contract
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with Masungi. Kasi
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hindi po pwede yung
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perpetual. No, I'm not talking, sorry, sorry.
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Let me interrupt. Para hindi na masayang oras natin.
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I'm not talking about Masungi Foundation.
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I'm not talking. Mamaya na po natin
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pag-usapan yun later.
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What I'm talking is just the Masungi
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conservation area.
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Not the foundation.
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So, despite the fact na ito po
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ay declared as ancestral domain
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at meron pong nakiklaim
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proclamation number
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it was declared as a
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sanctuary, wildlife sanctuary
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and game preserve
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at hindi po dapat
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pwede panghimasukan ng
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commercial activities,
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explorations, exploitations,
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etc. Dahil meron marami po
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mga ibon dyan at mga halaman
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na endemic po sa Pilipinas.
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measure the potential of green energy
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Yes, you mentioned
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it's not just about
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What are we talking here
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about the wind energy
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that they want to do in Masungi?
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The Vena, Mr. President, Madam
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Sponsor, the Vena energy
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is what I'm talking about.
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The Vena energy that was given
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Ms. Butch and Ms. Shiree.
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In fact, if I may add,
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while you're doing your research,
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DNR Administrative Order No. 33,
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and its vicinity is specifically
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bounded by longitudes
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121 degrees, 17 degrees
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to 121 degrees, 21 east, west,
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anyway, etc. It says here,
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declared a strict nature reserve
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and wildlife sanctuary in
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accordance with the provision of
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R.A. 7586, otherwise known as
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National Integrated Protected Area System
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At wala pa pong bagong
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or DNR Administrative Order
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magsusupersede nito.
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Sabi po, wind energy
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I'm sorry, Madam President.
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sabi po, yung wind energy
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allowed because it's
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renewable energy.
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But wala pa daw permit yan.
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Parang mag-i-study pa lang
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kung ano yung potential
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ng wind energy. Yun lang ang ibinigay nila.
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They cannot operate yet.
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Parang yung PAMBI,
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ang ibinigay lang is a study
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of the wind energy in Masungi.
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Dapat in the first place, wala pong
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gagawing study doon kasi naghukay na po eh.
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Marami na pong structure doon.
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And I have pictures to show.
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Who are the pictures?
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yung PAMBI, binigay lang is
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to determine the wind energy.
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May conflict po eh.
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Ewan lang natin kung yung binigyan
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permit to measure
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the potential of wind energy
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kung dinis-obey nila na
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nagawa na sila doon.
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Madam President, meron na po
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mga struktura doon. Nag-umpisa na sila
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ng wind farm doon.
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Yung nilagay daw po doon,
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hindi part ng Masungi,
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sa Pililya daw yun. It's not part
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of the legislated protected
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area. Yung pinaglagyan
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ng mga improvements na yun.
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the legislated protected area.
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I'll help you, Madam Sponsor.
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What happened was
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doon po sa Section
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with Protected Areas?
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because of PAMBI,
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ginigyan po yung PAMBI,
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nagkaroon ng amendment na para
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i-deklara kahit isang protected area
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na into multi-use.
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has to be amended.
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of the law protecting
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They want to study and
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investigate what happened
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because of your contention.
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Can you give us yung...
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study nyo para...
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a copy lang of the study
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so they can investigate
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violation of the law?
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a strict protected zone,
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And having said that,
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DNR should know better
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that if it's a strictly
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hindi dapat nila pang himasukan yan.
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And nagagalit siya
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Hindi dapat nila inisip
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kahit ba renewable energy
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na mangyimasok yan.
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I don't have any problem
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with renewable energy
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mag-proliferate sa bansa natin
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because me being the chairman
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of the Committee on Energy,
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palag po ako sa renewable energy
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pero dapat ilagay natin sa lugar.
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Huwag po doon sa mga protected area.
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Especially po na meron pong
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mga ancestral domain issue
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na dahil may misplaced
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po yung mga IPs natin
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na walang mga boses
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at walang mga kalaban-laban
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pinapalayas doon sa kanilang
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dahil sa ngalan ng development
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The point of view
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is in every protected area
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for a strict implementation
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the strict protection zone.
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Tapos there are also areas
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yung tawag nila multi-purpose
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So hindi naman nila
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pinayagan doon sa
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strict protection zone.
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Doon lang sa multi-use zone.
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Ngayon kung may other complaints na
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pinaalis yung mga tao,
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then let's have the complaint
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and we will investigate.
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Thank you very much for that answer
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That's exactly what I want you to say.
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ang nangyari kasi
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nagkaroon po ng multi-use zone
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klinasify po ng DNR
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from Republic Act 7586
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of the NIPAS Act of 1990.
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hindi ko na pwede
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contest yan dahil batas po yan.
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I will not contest.
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However, nakasaad dito
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ay payagan na mag-classify
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sa isang strictly protected area.
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ito na po yung minensyon nyo kanina Madam Sponsor.
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PAMBI Board which consists of
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DNR Regional Director,
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Republic of the Philippines
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who is dual registered
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resident of the province,
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District Representative
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of the Congressional District,
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Chairperson of Barangay,
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Regional Directors,
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DA, NEDA, DOST, DND,
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three representatives from NGO or PO,
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one but not more than
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three representatives from IPs,
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and then one representative
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from the academic institution,
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one representative from the private sector.
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Now, gusto ko pong malaman
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kung nasunod po ba ito
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na itong lahat ng nakasulat dito
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ng Republic Act 11038
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kung nasunod po ito
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nung pagbigay po ng multi-use
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na Bernas Energy.
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Itong eleven members... Nandyan daw po lahat. Ngayon, yan ang isa.
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Well, can I see the list? Kung sino itong 11 na ito na pumayag na ma-exploit po yung ating environment doon po sa Masungi?
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I need the list of those people na pumayag na i-exploit natin.
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Itong tinatawag natin, Masungi Conservation Area, which is declared as a strictly protected area.
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So itong 11 members na nag-sign, members of the board, sa PAMBI, allowing the exploitation of Masungi, I need a list of those people and their signatures.
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Very important to me is yung pong IPs. Meron po bang pumirma na IPs?
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They will submit to you those who signed.
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What? But right now?
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Kasi pero yan, I'm warning you that yan, majority wins. Diba? Kahit na hindi pumirman lahat, kung majority pumirma, panalo yun.
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I know. Pero ang selection process ninyo, kailangan meron pong IPs.
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Ayun, pina-follow.
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Kaya nga, paano po sinelect yung IPs? May I know? From the experts?
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Baka hindi naman pumirma yung IPs.
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Alam nyo, biski IPs, naano din yan eh, nai-influence din yan eh.
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Ay, nako. Tell it to the Marines.
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Sorry. Tell it to the Marines. Dapat hindi po. Kasi kawawan naman po yung mga IPs.
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Sa aking legislated protected area, nangyayari yan. Yung mga barangay, nai-influence eh.
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Kawawan naman po yung mga IPs. Kulang nga po sa pinag-aralan, kulang po sa kaalaman.
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And then, exploit po natin because we're saying na, eh, madali.
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Hindi sila ma-influence yan. Dapat, we try to help them to make sure that they will not be easily influenced.
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So that, gagawin po nila kung anong tama para sa kanilang proteksyon.
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Oo nga. Hindi siya maniwala na yung IPs pumirma.
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Kaya, huwag mo na sabihin sa akin. Ako, alam kong pwede yun. Pero siya, ayaw niya.
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Kaya, isigay din na nang-continue yung boom impact.
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I'll help you. Would you mind if I help you?
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Yeah. You're very welcome, Mr. President.
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Kasi, bago po mapili ang isa o dalawa o tatlong IPs na sumama po sa PAMBI sa selection process,
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number one, dumadaan yan sa Indigenous Political Structure or IPS.
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Okay? Ano po yun? It consists of tribal leaders that have exclusive right na para magpadala po ng representative nila
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kung hindi sila mismo ang sumama doon sa PAMBI.
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Number one. Number two. Dapat dumadaan po sa tinatawag na FPIC, Free and Prior Informed Consent.
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Process ito na ipapakita na itong IPs were not coerced and were not influenced,
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just like what the good sponsor said, na madaling na influenced.
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Kaya nga po mapasok itong proseso to make sure na hindi po sila na-influenced, hindi po sila na coerced.
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Ito po yung FPIC.
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And finally, evidence to one and two.
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I'd mention, dapat may certification, precondition or CP, documents from NCIP,
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pirmado na nagkaroon ng tamang proseso at pumayag ang IPs community.
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In the absence of these three, then invalid po yung pag-recruit nyo ng IPs para maging member ng PAMBI's board.
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