00:18.9
Is there something else
00:20.8
you want to discuss, Justice, that you think
00:22.6
is important, aside from obviously
00:24.2
West Philippine Sea, ay yung Trilateral Summit
00:26.9
Yeah, pag-usapan natin, what is your read
00:30.0
Yun lang, I think we will cover a lot of ground
00:33.5
Yeah, yeah, that's a lot of ground, yeah, yeah, of course
00:35.1
Pero kung kiboloy
00:39.2
I'm sure dalawang oras yan
00:42.9
But you're also Ilocano, right?
00:45.0
You're also like us, di ba? Meron kayo
00:46.3
Ilocano background, right? Carpios?
00:50.5
May batak background kayo?
00:54.9
Yeah, sorry, I'm joining from Solid North
00:57.2
Kaya kailangan namin ng loyalty check
01:00.0
Okay, good, good, good
01:01.7
Nasa Baguio na ako po
01:04.2
Kakabalik ko lang, I just came from
01:06.9
So I dropped by San Francisco for some talk
01:09.4
and then being back here
01:10.8
before Alice ulit
01:12.2
Sige po, I think we can start na po
01:14.5
if okay na po kayo, Justice
01:17.7
Yep, I think we should go
01:27.5
Good evening, everyone
01:29.0
Welcome back to San Francisco
01:30.0
Welcome back to our discussion
01:31.9
Joining you from Solid North
01:34.2
This time, hindi tayo nagkabutan
01:36.5
when I was on the West Coast
01:39.0
Justice Carpio, di ba Carpio
01:41.0
mga Ilocanos yan?
01:44.4
Yes, my father is from Paway
01:49.1
Parang sa Sicilian, ano yan?
01:52.6
The reason I'm asking that is
01:55.1
Medyo curious ako, Justice Carpio
01:57.2
I don't know if you
01:57.8
saw the survey by all of you
01:59.8
We had Octa President
02:02.5
Professor Ranjit Rai
02:04.2
on this show the other week
02:06.5
we discussed the survey
02:09.7
interesting survey they had
02:10.6
when they look at the loyalties
02:12.0
of different people
02:13.5
and then you sub-demographics
02:15.0
31% Marcos, 20% DDS
02:18.7
4% traditional opposition
02:20.2
and 45% non-affiliated
02:24.0
saan laki ng unsure
02:25.2
but what I found interesting is
02:27.4
dun sa subgroups, may 1%
02:29.8
support sa Ilocanos
02:32.5
hanapin natin pangang Ilocano na ito
02:34.9
mga taga Davao yata
02:41.4
sino mga Ilocano yan na 1%
02:43.5
tapos sumusuport pa rin
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kasi there are many Ilocanos
02:49.5
who migrated to Davao
02:54.4
alam ko may mga Tulfo Brothers
02:56.1
din sa Davao dyan
02:57.0
ito nga lang ko yung mga
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Ilocano rin palang background nila
03:04.2
so kutup ko yung mga yan eh
03:06.7
yung mga kamag-anak namin
03:08.7
medyo third generation na
03:10.9
kasi dito Justice Carp
03:12.5
isa bagyo may mga bumper sticker
03:17.4
and then pag nilagay nila
03:18.2
yung picture ni Sarah Duterte
03:22.8
alam mo di Ilocano version of that
03:29.8
bago natin pag-usapan
03:31.6
isa pang kadawaw natin dyan
03:34.4
ito pag-usapan natin
03:35.6
matters of national interest
03:37.9
let's get the ball rolling
03:40.3
okay Justice Carp
03:42.7
last time na nag-usap tayo
03:44.6
were the following
03:51.5
the Beijing Embassy
03:53.1
no comment pa rin naman si Sarah
03:55.7
tsaka si Cayetano
03:57.2
since we last talked
04:01.3
and gave an interview to
04:02.4
I think the most credible
04:04.1
newspaper on earth
04:07.0
I mean it's quite an honor
04:08.7
to be on Global Times
04:09.6
and there was a back and forth
04:11.4
with President BBM
04:13.3
gentleman's agreement
04:15.4
what is your take on
04:18.0
palusot explanation
04:21.9
to the gentleman's agreement
04:24.4
once he returned from the
04:28.6
quoting a Chinese embassy official
04:32.2
that there was a gentleman's agreement
04:35.1
Harry Roque confirmed it
04:37.6
Salvador Panelo said
04:43.6
publicity seeker lang
04:46.8
he checked with the
04:47.9
former President Duterte
04:54.8
a gentleman's agreement
04:56.7
and bigla na lang
04:58.3
burma lang na rin
04:58.5
talik tayo si Duterte
05:03.5
hawak yung Chinese
05:07.2
you cannot get out of this
05:08.8
there was a gentleman's agreement
05:10.2
so you had to confirm
05:12.3
ano yung gentleman's agreement
05:15.9
it is a status quo
05:20.5
we were not supplying
05:22.6
construction materials
05:30.1
declaration of conduct
05:32.2
sabi sa declaration of conduct
05:36.6
unoccupied features
05:38.3
na-occupy na natin
05:43.5
if you previously
05:48.5
whatever you have there
06:01.9
sinadsad natin sa
06:07.9
we are covered by the
06:09.3
declaration of conduct
06:10.5
we are allowed to continue
06:16.1
gentleman's agreement
06:21.1
pag hindi mo ko ni-repair yan
06:27.9
in fact the military
06:28.9
has explained it that way
06:30.3
that if we don't repair it
06:35.2
and we will lose our presence
06:36.4
and China will come in
06:40.2
the military said
06:48.4
former secretary of defense
06:57.9
in during the later part of the duta demonstration towards the end last year na of the duta demonstration they kept on sending construction materials to repair
07:09.8
the status quo before and after the the the gentleman's agreement was clearly to continue repairing that was the
07:21.9
right facts on the ground
07:25.9
ano yung status ko sinasabi niya?
07:26.9
ano yung status ko sinasabi niya?
07:37.4
the Chinese really want to
07:40.1
behind the collapse
07:43.1
if we don't repair it
07:45.0
the superstructure is already rusted
07:48.0
it cannot sail anymore
07:49.9
the engine is corroding
07:51.8
there's no way to repair the engine
07:54.0
it's totally this
07:57.9
Mali yung premise niya na the status quo is we do not supply construction materials to Sierra Madre.
08:09.5
And sinabi niya in his press conference, I consult the defense secretary, the national security council advisor, pero they all denied.
08:23.5
They were consulted. Sabi ni defense secretary, former defense secretary Lorenzana in the inquiry today, sabi niya, I'm not aware of that gentleman's agreement.
08:38.7
Sabi ni Anyo, I don't know about that gentleman's agreement.
08:42.1
And there's nobody in the Department of Foreign Affairs who's saying that he knows about the gentleman's agreement.
08:50.6
They don't have any record. Nobody's saying.
08:53.5
They're saying that, yes, there is such a gentleman's agreement.
08:56.0
So mukhang sino-terte lang ito.
08:58.6
And remember, in his press conference, sinabi niya pa ito, I do not even know about the Ayungin Shoal.
09:04.0
So inamin niya na he doesn't know anything about the Ayungin Shoal, yet he entered into an agreement where the subject matter is Ayungin Shoal.
09:14.0
So ano klaseng press?
09:19.6
Yeah, it looks like the premise of the...
09:23.5
But Justice, didn't you brief Duterte back in the day?
09:31.4
Di ba nag-briefing ka sa kanya? Nakinig ba yan?
09:37.0
Oops, sorry guys, na-disconnect ang zoom ko.
09:43.1
Ate, pwede pa off lang?
09:59.3
Sorry, Justice. Mukhang may nagalit sa mga sinabi ko about Ilocanos na one person.
10:04.5
Sinasabotage na yata tayo.
10:06.9
So, just to go back to this, Justice Carpio, what is happening here?
10:12.3
Is he, is Duterte equivocating here? Is he totally clueless about this?
10:18.4
Is there a secondary gentleman's agreement we don't know about na parang sinabi ni Digong,
10:23.4
is he totally clueless about this? Is there a secondary gentleman's agreement we don't know about na parang sinabi ni Digong,
10:23.4
ito yung agreement ko sa China pero bahala sila dyan, may sarili naman tayong agreement.
10:27.7
Like, what is your read there? Or palusot lang talang yung ginagawa ni Digong dito?
10:31.6
Na walang sumusuporta sa kanya that he's actually taking it on his own?
10:36.9
Well, first of all, he admitted the results of the agreement.
10:46.0
He probably had an agreement with the President Zee, personal agreement.
10:50.0
But nobody knew about it. Sila-sila na nag-uusap.
10:52.4
So it didn't trickle down to the commanders on the ground.
10:57.8
So the commanders continued to supply construction materials to Ayungin Shoal kasi mawawala yung presence natin.
11:06.9
So in other words, baka he just said yes to President Zee kasi he cannot say no to President Zee.
11:17.1
So oo na oo lang siguro siya kahit na hindi niya alam ano yung inoo-oo niya.
11:21.7
Kasi sabi niya wala akong alam dyan. He didn't even know where Ayungin Shoal is.
11:28.0
So siguro he was too intimidated with President Zee na oo na oo na lang siya.
11:34.6
And nobody down in his cabinet or down the chain of command knew about it.
11:43.0
So it's very strange. I mean, first he denied it, now he's admitted it.
11:51.7
And he said, he admitted it, but he said, I don't know anything about Ayungin Shoal.
11:57.9
But the subject matter of the agreement was Ayungin Shoal.
12:01.5
So, well, I think we should call for a congressional inquiry.
12:06.4
Tanuhin siya, ano klaseng agreement yun?
12:10.7
Bakit nag-agree ka na hindi mo pa alam kung saan yung Ayungin Shoal?
12:15.8
Yeah. I mean, okay, it's not a formal agreement.
12:21.7
It doesn't also look like a gentleman's agreement because one of them is not a gentleman or doesn't even know what he's agreeing to.
12:28.2
I mean, anong silbe neto kung hindi na pa-pass down sa chain of command, diba?
12:32.5
I don't even understand. Like, what is China gonna get out of a, like, sabog na conversation?
12:39.7
Ano yung usabang kanto lang yan? What the heck was going on there?
12:44.1
Well, alam mo, China is now saying, oh, it's a gentleman's agreement, but it is binding on the Philippines.
12:51.7
It's state to state.
12:54.1
They're calling it now a China-Philippines agreement.
12:56.8
So, that's why they're saying that we must honor it.
13:03.9
And that the next president should honor it.
13:07.2
And that is contrary to what the GONG is saying.
13:10.8
That they're saying that it's only between him and President Xi.
13:14.1
Contrary to what Harry Roque is saying, that it's a personal agreement.
13:17.4
It does not bind the successor.
13:19.1
Iba-iba yung interpretation nila eh.
13:21.7
Among themselves, they say, it exists, it does not exist.
13:25.0
It's binding, it's not binding.
13:26.4
Justice, alam mo naman nangyari. May nahuli, ayaw magpauling buhay.
13:31.8
Naglalaglagan lang sila.
13:33.2
I think, I think we both know what's exactly happening here.
13:37.1
I mean, Justice Carpio, I don't believe he doesn't know about Ayung Insya.
13:40.4
He was briefed, right? I mean, you should know about that.
13:43.1
I'm sure he knows the basics.
13:44.9
He's not an idiot. He might not be the sharpest guy in there, but he's not an idiot.
13:48.4
So, feeling ko palusot lang to eh.
13:51.7
Nalolokoan lang sila eh.
13:54.5
Pero ano, if he says that he doesn't know about Ayung Insya,
14:00.4
the more he will look like a fool entering the agreement
14:04.5
when he doesn't know what the subject matter is.
14:08.3
Baka akala niya Ayung Insya sa Philippine Sea, sa kabina.
14:12.2
Justice Carpio, I have one more suspicion.
14:14.4
Diba sabi ni BBM, minsan sumosobra yung fentanyl?
14:17.8
I mean, I want to be nice, but...
14:21.7
Maybe, it was one of those days.
14:24.5
It was one of those days.
14:27.3
Nag-ano na, nag-vitamin C na yan.
14:31.1
Pumunta sa meeting, na-stress siya kay Xi Jinping.
14:33.6
Let's go! Sige lang, yes lang siya.
14:36.0
Kasi Justice Carpio, we know that Digong said no to Xi Jinping in other circumstances.
14:41.4
Remember when Xi Jinping asked him to close down yung mga Pogo?
14:44.8
And then biglang nag-drama-drama daw si Digong na
14:47.1
it is our national interest.
14:49.1
Mga charot-charot.
14:50.4
So, we know there are times na he said,
14:51.7
he says no to Xi Jinping, pag-involve mga Pogo.
14:55.0
So, I don't know what's going on.
14:57.3
There is the fentanyl.
14:59.0
Yung Pogo naman, yung Pogo naman, pera yun.
15:02.5
Hindi tayo interested.
15:04.4
Ano yun, business yun.
15:06.6
Negosyo, negosyo.
15:09.5
Wala na ko ng negosyo.
15:12.8
So, pwede pamigay ni President Xi.
15:17.9
Pero pagdating sa maritime zones,
15:21.1
territorial issue,
15:22.8
eh iba yung posisyon na yung President Xi.
15:24.9
Talagang hardline yan.
15:29.1
eh kahit na hindi niya alam,
15:30.8
umuho ko siya eh.
15:33.2
Okay, Justice Carpio,
15:34.7
bago natin pag-usapan yung mga stance niya
15:37.4
kay Kiboloy naman,
15:38.4
kasi sabi niya Kiboloy,
15:39.7
paala ka dyan, hindi ako wanted dyan, diba?
15:42.3
Bago natin pupuntahan yung kadabaw nyo
15:45.9
pag-usapan naman natin yung kabila.
15:47.4
I mean, we talked about fentanyl.
15:48.8
Pag-usapan naman natin ng kabila.
15:51.1
I mean, eto naman si President BBM.
15:53.9
He came back and he strongly,
15:56.4
I don't know if I can use the word condemned,
15:59.5
but he strongly lamented and criticized
16:02.3
etong gentleman's agreement.
16:03.6
It looks like may pinakita ang mga,
16:05.5
mga, hapon sorry,
16:06.8
may mga pinakita ang mga Chino sa kanya,
16:09.3
which convinced the President
16:10.9
that it does exist.
16:13.0
Actually, tama yung siguro yung sinasabi ng China.
16:16.1
What is your read of President Marcos Jr.'s
16:19.5
strong criticism of this?
16:23.9
May nakita ba siyang document?
16:25.8
May compromise ba?
16:26.9
Did they see anything?
16:30.5
we don't, we don't,
16:32.3
we have no record whatsoever, no?
16:34.5
We have not found any record.
16:37.0
There is no memo.
16:38.7
Nobody can say that there was such a gentleman's agreement.
16:43.9
he's probably also mystified, no?
16:46.5
Why Duterte would deny it at first and then confirm it and then he will say,
16:56.1
I don't even know about a yung inshul.
16:58.5
It's really mystifying, intriguing.
17:02.4
Parang may alam kong ganun, di ba?
17:03.9
Alam mo yung kunin na may tatanungin ka tapos,
17:05.9
Hello, hello, I can't hear you.
17:07.6
Hello, hello, yung ganun.
17:09.8
Ayaw sagutin sa interview.
17:11.5
Hello, hello, shh, shh.
17:12.9
Hindi kita marinig.
17:14.5
I think may ganun na nangyari.
17:16.3
Alam ko yung mga palusot na yan.
17:18.2
But do you find the president's response sufficient?
17:22.8
Kasi, in fairness, at least he's openly saying
17:25.8
na something wrong may have happened.
17:27.4
He didn't use the word treason.
17:28.9
But he kind of came close to saying
17:30.6
medyo katraidura ng nangyari.
17:32.7
Or compromise yung national interest natin.
17:35.5
I think tama yung ano niya,
17:37.0
that we have to establish the facts, no?
17:39.5
Kung ano talaga yung nangyari.
17:40.9
Because now China is saying
17:43.3
the Philippines has to honor it
17:46.0
it's a state-to-state agreement.
17:48.2
Eh, ang problema nasa kanya.
17:50.2
He must formulate a response to China
17:53.3
na this is not a state-to-state agreement.
17:56.6
But he has to know the facts first.
17:58.4
So, he have to talk to Duterte first.
18:00.5
Ano ba talaga nangyari?
18:02.3
Kasi, how do we respond to China
18:05.4
when China says it's a state-to-state agreement?
18:08.6
So, we have to get the facts.
18:11.1
Do you think that
18:12.5
China misread the Philippines?
18:15.0
did not appreciate
18:16.7
our constitutional order
18:19.7
actually, they're not mutually exclusive.
18:21.2
Thought na ang Pilipinas ay parang,
18:22.7
I don't know, Cambodia.
18:24.8
May agreement na kayo ni Hun Sen.
18:26.3
Sunod na yung buong
18:27.0
straight structure.
18:28.2
Do you think something like that happened?
18:29.4
That the Chinese misread
18:30.6
the whole Philippines structure?
18:32.2
So, one of the interesting thing
18:33.3
during that time was,
18:34.5
kasi iniinvita pa rin ako
18:37.1
Bakit iba yung sinasabi
18:39.1
iba yung sinasabi ni Loxin,
18:40.5
iba yung sinasabi ni Digong?
18:42.7
hindi ba parang naive yung mga Chinese?
18:44.7
Hindi ba parang naive yung mga Chinese?
18:45.0
Maybe the Chinese were naive
18:46.0
or also ignorant about our system?
18:50.7
the Chinese didn't care
18:52.0
about our system.
18:53.2
They just wanted to get
18:54.3
the party to agree.
18:56.4
Then they will ban
18:57.2
the first agreement already.
19:01.0
kasi under international law,
19:03.1
if the head of state
19:04.2
makes a commitment
19:05.9
that binds the country,
19:07.9
even if the legal process
19:09.6
internally have not been followed,
19:11.1
because under international law,
19:12.7
the head of state is
19:19.6
get Duterte to sign,
19:30.2
he probably didn't know
19:33.0
of his statement, no?
19:38.1
we're talking about
19:39.7
Sana naman kinuha yung kamay niya,
19:41.3
nilagay yung stamp
19:42.2
ng ganyan, di ba?
19:44.7
Ilalagay nilang ganun
19:47.6
You know, we do not know.
19:49.5
Richard, we do not know
19:50.6
what the Chinese are holding
19:52.1
when the Nobel Times
19:54.1
said there was an agreement,
19:55.6
biglang bumaliktad si Duterte,
19:57.9
takot si Duterte.
19:59.5
O, pinitik siya, no?
20:00.7
May pinitik siya, o.
20:02.1
Baka merong video.
20:04.7
Baka may video sila.
20:06.0
So, bakit bumaliktad bigla siya?
20:08.7
Correct, correct.
20:09.9
May parang may paka-Trump, di ba?
20:11.5
Biglang pag nandun si Putin,
20:12.7
ay, mabait na siya bigla.
20:15.0
I mean, honestly,
20:16.0
we don't know, right?
20:18.4
I mean, those were crazy times.
20:20.3
We don't know exactly
20:21.4
what the Chinese are holding.
20:23.1
Because they are insisting
20:24.2
na there was such an agreement.
20:27.0
And why did Duterte
20:28.7
suddenly turn around
20:33.5
So, they may have something on him, no?
20:36.8
kompromate, di ba?
20:43.1
Digong being Digong,
20:44.0
I don't think it's hard.
20:44.7
It's possible that
20:45.6
they can document it.
20:48.2
They probably can prove it
20:49.6
that there is such a gentleman's agreement.
20:54.2
But, Justice Carpio,
20:55.8
aren't they endangering their,
20:58.0
I had to use the term,
20:59.6
aren't they endangering their asset
21:02.6
aren't the Chinese compromising Duterte?
21:05.3
if this gets investigated
21:06.6
and Duterte gets burned,
21:11.6
they're not coming out yet
21:14.0
that he is an asset.
21:18.0
so that he will fall in line.
21:21.1
you follow the script
21:22.7
that there is such a gentleman's agreement.
21:27.2
just to be clear,
21:28.1
I didn't mean asset
21:29.1
in terms of intelligence.
21:31.4
asset in terms of a good friend.
21:33.5
May term ang China,
21:34.7
Our special friend.
21:37.2
Old friend of China.
21:38.6
I think that's the correct term.
21:40.0
I didn't mean it asset in that sense.
21:41.5
Just to be clear.
21:42.1
Baka mamaya mamis-understood tayo.
21:46.0
if you look at it,
21:47.7
it's very strange
21:48.6
because he was definite
21:50.8
there was no agreement.
21:56.4
Publicity seeking yan.
21:58.5
biglang bumalitad.
22:00.7
that in itself is
22:01.9
very suspicious, no?
22:06.2
tama si Harry Roque.
22:07.9
Tama yung sinabi natin
22:09.0
mas maniwala tayo
22:10.9
kaysa kay Panelo.
22:13.2
push comes to show,
22:16.1
we're gonna choose Harry Roque.
22:17.5
I mean, at least on this one,
22:18.5
he was proven right.
22:21.0
push comes to show
22:21.7
between Harry Roque
22:23.8
mukhang Harry Roque
22:24.8
was the more reliable source
22:28.9
Eh, si Harry Roque,
22:39.4
talagang bilib na bilib siya
22:44.0
So, Justice Gary,
22:46.0
President Marcos Jr.,
22:47.9
did the President
22:49.8
in terms of calling
22:50.4
for investigation
22:52.9
it's just a matter of time
22:57.4
with investigation?
22:58.1
What is your understanding
23:11.8
and in the lower house
23:25.1
progressive people.
23:27.2
are allied to the President.
23:29.3
allies of the President?
23:30.8
have their own acts to grant
23:33.9
sa Congress lang,
23:35.4
Ito na yung chance nila.
23:37.0
Bakit di sila magkaroon
23:37.9
ng SMNI style hearing?
23:42.7
They can support it.
23:43.6
They can support that.
23:44.9
Kawawa naman yung mga lefties
23:46.3
ginamit na naman sila
23:47.4
pang cannon fodder.
23:49.0
Alam naman yung style
23:49.6
ng mga trapo talaga.
23:51.9
ang nangyari dito.
23:52.9
I'm not talking about Rinsa,
23:54.4
because this is Senate.
23:56.3
But sa lower house,
23:57.4
minsan ganoon ang ginagawa.
23:58.6
Ginagawang cannon fodder
23:59.8
yung mga lefties.
24:01.0
Well, they're using each other
24:04.8
mga pangusapan yun.
24:07.5
baka maano tayo dyan.
24:09.6
sa labas ng bahay natin.
24:11.9
going back to that,
24:13.6
yes, yes, justice,
24:16.3
They're actually using each other.
24:18.1
That's the bottom line.
24:20.3
Alliance of convenience.
24:21.9
What's so surprising?
24:24.4
going back to President Marcos Jr.,
24:25.7
I want to ask you this.
24:27.5
President Marcos Jr.
24:31.5
or Machiavellian?
24:34.5
is he too much of a fox
24:36.0
and not enough of a lion?
24:37.6
Or is that we're not
24:43.6
he still talks about
24:47.3
When he was asked about
24:48.6
bakit no comment si Sarah,
24:50.5
todo defensa kay Sarah Duterte.
24:52.3
Kaya may mga comments,
24:53.7
ano ba itong marupok pa ito?
24:55.1
Something new, ha?
24:56.2
Have you seen the video?
24:58.0
Please, please go ahead.
24:59.1
Did I lose something
25:01.2
Have you seen the video?
25:03.4
There was a video.
25:04.7
I sent you a video
25:07.8
the president arrived
25:10.4
and there was a reception
25:13.6
Sarah Duterte was there
25:17.5
the president should greet
25:19.3
first the vice president.
25:20.8
But the president
25:21.6
did not greet Sarah.
25:23.4
He greeted others
25:24.5
and Sarah was standing there
25:26.5
and so Sarah just left
25:28.1
together with her
25:31.6
I shared that one.
25:32.6
Yeah, I shared that.
25:33.3
Naka 1 million views na tayo.
25:34.8
I think that's my most viewed video.
25:37.8
Actually, there's a debate on that.
25:40.1
what exactly happened?
25:41.3
That's the latest.
25:44.6
yeah, that's the latest
25:51.1
that says a lot, huh?
25:55.0
of the relationship
25:55.8
between the president
25:56.6
because to greet is
25:58.6
very, very normal.
26:01.5
I mean, that's part of
26:05.7
President Duterte
26:08.7
had a press conference
26:12.6
had a press conference
26:15.2
did not finish college
26:16.3
hanggang second year.
26:17.5
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:18.8
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
26:20.8
ayan na naman si Dugong eh.
26:29.1
Pero hindi pa parang
26:30.2
masyadong mabait pa rin
26:33.9
Hindi kaya masyadong
26:34.8
mabait pa rin si BBM?
26:35.9
Personal relationship
26:37.2
is no longer there
26:39.0
Poison na yan eh.
26:41.8
BBM mabait pa rin
26:43.6
even if he calls me ugly,
26:47.1
I will not respond
26:52.3
President Duterte
26:53.9
ad hominem attacks
26:56.8
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
26:57.8
He explained it that way.
26:59.9
I'm not bothered by that.
27:01.7
that's what you say publicly.
27:05.9
Nagmura-mura na siguro yan.
27:08.0
become reluctant to greet,
27:15.1
Hindi na katulad doon
27:20.8
Do you think that
27:22.3
the natural thing for Marcos
27:24.5
is to go after Duterte's na?
27:26.2
Or he should just
27:27.1
play it slowly and steady?
27:31.0
Is slow and steady
27:32.7
the best way forward?
27:34.2
he can pin down the Duterte's
27:35.8
both on this issue of China,
27:37.6
but also on the issue of ICC.
27:43.9
it will be a slow burn
27:44.9
kasi matagal pa naman yung
27:49.2
the pressing issue is
27:51.2
what will Sara do now?
27:54.2
the relationship now
28:00.1
to say the least.
28:03.5
member of the cabinet siya,
28:07.0
And she is the alter ego.
28:09.6
in body language nila,
28:16.4
and if the president
28:19.1
doesn't greet you,
28:28.5
marami na galit sa
28:31.7
May mga ganyan silang
28:36.8
that Sara is not saying
28:39.0
West Philippines issue?
28:40.6
this is an official
28:41.4
who has time to make videos,
28:43.1
about what she's eating,
28:45.5
her Louis Vuitton
28:49.4
who makes comments
28:50.2
on Afghan refugees
28:51.3
coming to the Philippines.
28:53.5
who has a comment
28:54.1
on Gaza and CISFAR.
28:55.6
Pero pagdating sa
28:56.5
West Philippine Sea,
29:00.7
I mean, wala siyang comment.
29:01.9
what does this say?
29:03.5
Basta Duterte coming out
29:04.8
and saying something
29:05.4
along the lines of,
29:06.2
at least from what I saw,
29:08.5
narrative lang yan,
29:09.4
propaganda lang yan.
29:12.0
Polong coming out
29:13.1
don't demonize China.
29:15.1
what's going on here?
29:18.4
all in guns blazing,
29:20.0
essentially saying,
29:22.2
What's going on here?
29:33.4
in policy of the father,
29:36.8
they don't want to
29:40.0
you don't want to say
29:40.7
anything against your master,
29:42.8
they don't want to say
29:43.1
anything against China.
29:45.3
Kahit na ano nang ginagawa
29:48.1
Binobomba na tayo,
29:49.2
winawaterkano na tayo.
29:50.6
They refuse to talk.
29:53.4
they pin the blame
29:54.2
on the Philippines.
29:57.9
that position already.
30:01.8
did you read the,
30:02.6
did you see the state,
30:11.7
The president should,
30:17.3
Did you see that?
30:19.0
pinag-usapan namin
30:20.2
ni Ronald Llamas yun,
30:22.6
He lost me at Romanov.
30:25.9
mas magandang Romanov
30:26.9
kaya sa Ivan the Terrible.
30:29.5
this is crazy stuff
30:30.7
we're talking about,
30:38.3
the trilateral summit.
30:39.9
for the connection,
30:40.6
it's a little bit cutting.
30:42.0
the trilateral summit.
30:43.9
kasi masestress lang tayo
30:46.0
Babalikan natin sila
30:47.0
mamaya when we talk about
30:49.8
the trilateral summit,
30:52.0
What is your read
30:52.8
of the trilateral summit,
30:57.6
in terms of the outcomes?
30:59.4
the U.S. Congress is pushing
31:00.4
for a $2.5 billion
31:04.1
a Luzon economic corridor.
31:06.3
Biden publicly said
31:07.9
that the mutual defense treaty
31:10.5
what is your read
31:12.0
of the trilateral
31:18.4
on the economic front,
31:21.5
they will provide
31:24.3
in loans and investments.
31:25.7
Nothing happened.
31:30.2
Japan and the U.S.
31:37.6
Japan will deliver
31:39.5
the biggest aid donor.
31:41.7
and they can deliver.
31:54.1
it's easy for them
32:03.3
semiconductor companies
32:04.5
are leaving China.
32:06.4
So, they can just tell them
32:07.8
to the Philippines.
32:10.3
they're in the process
32:13.1
the State Department
32:14.0
could just encourage them
32:15.9
to the Philippines.
32:16.6
So, it's very easy
32:19.8
that $100 billion figure
32:22.9
So, this is something big
32:24.4
because it generates
32:25.9
a lot of employment.
32:33.9
production lines.
32:36.9
it's a good thing.
32:47.0
aside from that $100 billion,
32:49.3
there's a bipartisan bill
32:53.2
in military assistance.
32:55.5
A big amount, no?
33:02.5
to Ukraine and Israel
33:08.5
It's a separate bill.
33:09.7
So, I think this will go
33:10.8
it's a bipartisan
33:14.3
and it will be passed quickly.
33:19.7
Justice Carpenter,
33:20.8
I think this is where
33:21.4
we slightly diverge
33:23.3
because I think everyone
33:24.1
was worried about
33:26.5
don't worry about debt trap,
33:27.6
worry about pledge trap.
33:29.1
Like, empty pledges
33:30.3
and nothing comes in.
33:32.3
I turned out as more
33:33.6
correct and pessimistic.
33:41.9
ng panahon ni Digong.
33:43.4
Justice Carpenter,
33:47.6
what do you think
33:51.6
the economic corridor
33:53.2
makes sense to me.
33:56.1
critical infrastructure
33:59.2
green technology,
34:00.7
and climate resilience.
34:02.2
everything is there.
34:03.2
It ticks all the boxes.
34:04.3
let's just hope things
34:05.9
over the next coming
34:06.7
months and years.
34:08.6
dito sa defense aid,
34:09.9
do you think it's important
34:18.1
maybe you don't agree
34:18.9
but my frustration is
34:20.7
I look around the world,
34:22.7
Israel has got what?
34:23.8
Hundreds of billions
34:25.5
throughout the decades.
34:27.7
Egypt got close to what?
34:29.0
Hundred billion dollars
34:30.1
aid throughout the decades.
34:33.3
I can go on and on
34:34.7
that are not even
34:38.5
it looks like they have
34:43.3
Jordanian Air Force,
34:44.6
Pakistani Air Force,
34:48.7
we can blame the Philippines.
34:50.3
Marami tayong kakulangan.
34:52.4
we were also taken
34:53.7
for quite some time
34:55.2
it's time for a catch-up.
34:56.8
what is your read on this,
34:59.0
I don't mind if you
35:00.0
don't agree with my read,
35:01.0
but this is my read
35:02.6
The measure taken
35:05.8
the facts are there.
35:07.5
military aid than us.
35:11.3
the reason for that
35:26.2
compete with Russia
35:35.6
Israel is another
35:36.3
completely different thing.
35:43.8
with military aid
35:46.9
that they have to
35:49.6
stand up to China
35:56.6
to the Philippines.
36:07.6
the new flash point
36:17.1
why we're getting
36:18.7
this attention already.
36:20.2
really trouble now
36:21.1
in the South China Sea.
36:24.1
So your argument is
36:25.5
because America's
36:27.0
threat perceptions
36:27.7
are shifting towards
36:30.0
and not to mention
36:33.2
in the South China Sea
36:34.2
and West Philippine Sea,
36:35.4
it's just natural
36:36.9
to pay more attention
36:39.5
you think that we should
36:42.1
foreign military financing,
36:43.5
I think $500 million
36:46.5
of this new package.
36:48.1
What do you want to see
36:48.9
in that $500 million?
36:55.6
something more advanced,
36:59.3
multi-role fighters,
37:04.2
I would like to see
37:12.6
artificial islands
37:15.8
Because right now,
37:17.0
those artificial islands
37:24.9
because our air bases
37:30.8
without the HIMARS.
37:34.2
probably when we get
37:35.3
the BrahMos missiles,
37:39.1
it's very accurate.
37:42.3
within a few meters.
37:44.7
So that will really
37:45.5
destroy the runway
37:57.3
That's why we couldn't
38:01.4
That's a very good point.
38:02.7
That's a very good point.
38:22.8
because they can destroy us
38:24.5
and we have no defense.
38:26.3
We cannot fight back.
38:27.7
But if we can destroy them
38:29.4
and the HIMARS are mobile,
38:31.2
they cannot destroy
38:33.2
then we control them.
38:36.4
That's a very good point.
38:39.4
are also included
38:40.7
this missile defense system
38:41.9
is a comprehensive
38:43.4
archipelagic defense
38:45.7
that they're adopting.
38:47.7
they match properly
38:51.7
what about Japan?
38:53.3
What do you want to see
38:54.0
in terms of Japan?
38:57.9
will be a step too far
39:01.2
the Japanese will be
39:04.8
the pacifist party,
39:07.3
within LDP coalition?
39:09.5
let's just assume
39:11.1
internally they don't
39:13.3
rotational access
39:15.6
self-defense forces
39:19.5
a breach too far?
39:22.2
the Japanese public
39:26.0
will accept that already.
39:29.0
that's being discussed
39:31.6
the Japanese government
39:35.6
no strong opposition
39:37.7
from the Japanese public.
39:39.5
Considering what's
39:42.5
I think we will have
39:43.4
a peace and forces agreement.
39:46.3
named differently.
39:52.2
we should have one
39:58.9
I think eventually
40:01.1
something like that
40:06.0
A fantastic five situation.
40:09.5
the Australian-Americans.
40:11.5
we will be bashed
40:11.9
by our leftist friends
40:13.9
here we go again.
40:16.2
we sold our country
40:26.8
you cannot accuse them
40:28.1
of territorial ambition
40:31.3
any territorial designs
40:33.0
on the Philippines
40:33.8
or maritime design.
40:35.0
In the 21st century,
40:37.2
In the 21st century.
40:38.6
There is only one,
40:39.5
in the present century.
40:41.3
But there is only,
40:42.1
in the present century,
40:43.3
there is only one country
40:44.3
that wants our territory
40:45.5
and maritime zones.
40:50.9
China is doing it
40:52.3
because they are being bullied
40:53.1
by the American Empire
40:54.6
because they are surrounded
40:56.0
by American bases.
40:59.0
that's what I've been,
41:00.6
that's what they,
41:02.4
the Chinese tell me.
41:05.5
all these Europeans,
41:15.4
Western colonizers
41:17.8
more than 300 years.
41:21.7
We were as oppressed,
41:23.3
more oppressed than you.
41:25.4
take your hands on us?
41:28.2
we never occupied
41:30.0
the single square inch
41:31.5
of your territory.
41:34.0
the narrative that
41:35.5
because they suffered
41:36.4
in the hands of the Europeans,
41:38.8
the South China Sea
41:39.3
because it doesn't compute.
41:44.0
the Atlantic Ocean.
41:46.6
the Russians do the same,
41:48.6
Because Hitler attacked them
41:52.4
Frederick the Great
41:54.1
now they have to colonize
41:56.1
that kind of nonsense
41:56.9
revanchist arguments,
42:01.2
probably have more to say
42:02.5
that because they were
42:03.3
attacked by the Soviet Union,
42:05.4
they have to reclaim their,
42:07.4
you can go down this road
42:10.6
if you had 100 years
42:12.2
500 years of humiliation,
42:14.5
Including the humiliation
42:15.4
you're visiting on us
42:18.9
when we use the term bully,
42:21.2
immediately they keep on saying,
42:22.4
we're not a bully,
42:23.6
I think they're very scared
42:25.4
as an imperialist power
42:26.7
in their own right.
42:30.3
they're seeking hegemony
42:32.0
in the South China Sea
42:33.5
and they're the only one
42:35.0
that's still expanding.
42:37.2
They're the only one
42:38.3
who's still expanding
42:40.2
along with Russia.
42:42.6
There are only two countries
42:44.6
expanding their territory,
42:47.1
annexing the territory
42:48.2
of other countries,
42:49.6
Russia and China.
42:51.8
Baka may gentleman's agreement
42:53.3
din yung dalawa na yan
42:56.9
baka Putin and Xi
42:57.8
has a gentleman agreement.
43:00.2
But going back to,
43:05.4
of other countries
43:07.2
can't get the territories
43:08.8
of their country,
43:09.1
their other countries,
43:09.9
they will get their own
43:10.7
each other's territories.
43:12.1
Siberia is a big problem,
43:15.1
They can fight over Siberia.
43:19.7
ba nung nag-release
43:24.6
minention is Russia
43:25.5
because dun sa 10-dash line,
43:28.3
Russian territory
43:33.5
into Chinese names.
43:41.2
and yet they're claiming
43:42.2
what was conquered
43:45.1
but there's a long
43:47.4
going back to this,
43:48.2
what do you think
43:48.7
we should look at
43:51.3
the other important
43:54.5
I don't want to use
43:58.5
What do you think
44:00.4
offering submarines.
44:04.4
The Japanese have
44:21.5
But they've started
44:28.0
I think we can get
44:33.0
telecommunications
44:40.0
fighter jets from Japan
44:41.2
or those kinds of things?
44:43.0
they just approved
44:46.2
fighters in Japan.
44:47.8
those should be also
44:48.5
some of our targets
44:50.4
Na hindi lang tayo
44:50.9
umasa sa Amerika?
44:54.2
they're developing
44:54.9
a sixth-generation
44:57.8
with the Italians
45:03.9
retire their F-2s,
45:15.8
there's so much here
45:19.4
Justice Carpenter,
45:20.9
what do you think
45:25.2
Because this looks like
45:26.0
quite a dangerous
45:29.8
huge implications.
45:30.7
we just saw over the weekend
45:32.1
almost a huge war
45:33.7
in the Middle East.
45:38.7
may be overstretched
45:40.2
in the Middle East,
45:40.9
conflicts in Ukraine?
45:42.4
the Middle East situation
45:43.3
is quite worrying
45:44.9
just over the weekend.
45:46.8
you're confident enough
45:47.8
that the United States
45:48.6
could still be a reliable
45:49.6
partner in this part
45:51.6
what should we do?
45:53.0
should we ask Americans
45:55.2
in resupply missions?
45:57.1
directly contribute
45:57.9
or should they just be
46:01.2
Should they provide
46:04.6
so that we can fortify
46:05.6
it better on our own?
46:06.7
What are we looking at
46:08.5
in terms of the next steps
46:09.5
in Ayungin Shoal?
46:11.5
In Ayungin Shoal,
46:13.8
we should convert
46:14.8
our presence there
46:17.9
because the tribunal said
46:21.5
over your petition
46:27.3
that we order China
46:29.4
to stop their dangerous maneuvers
46:31.0
because these are
46:31.7
military activities
46:32.6
and that's outside
46:33.5
the jurisdiction.
46:34.6
So we should convert
46:43.1
a research center
46:44.0
by the UP Institute
46:45.2
of Marine Sciences
46:47.6
there a substation
46:50.5
their two small vessels
46:51.8
so any armed attack
46:54.1
Coast Guard vessels
46:59.8
Middle Defense City.
47:01.2
China will stop us
47:02.8
the construction materials
47:05.5
go to the tribunal
47:09.5
non-military activity
47:12.4
this Marine Research Center,
47:16.8
win another award
47:18.2
and the more awards
47:27.0
our Navy is confident
47:28.3
that even if it's
47:30.0
we can still supply
47:32.7
continue the supply
47:34.3
and even if we are
47:41.8
those video footage.
47:44.8
China is losing here
47:51.4
what kind of steps
47:52.3
the Navy will do.
47:53.2
Maybe they will send
47:56.5
that can withstand
47:57.4
these water cannons.
48:04.3
non-military presence
48:09.5
keep on repairing
48:14.7
up to a certain extent.
48:17.8
or something like that
48:19.1
is the way forward.
48:23.0
so that it will become
48:24.7
a civilian activity.
48:27.2
the technology for that?
48:28.3
Engineering technology
48:31.3
This is not even a rock.
48:32.9
this is a low-tide elevation.
48:34.7
a reclamation there?
48:35.9
Wouldn't that be illegal?
48:41.6
of President FDR.
48:45.5
to put up lighthouses
48:46.6
in all of these spaces.
48:48.9
these are modular,
48:54.6
the foreign secretary
48:59.6
China will be angry
49:01.7
that foreign secretary
49:03.1
was planning to run
49:04.5
as Secretary General
49:07.2
it didn't happen.
49:10.6
I just have a slight issue
49:12.2
with your proposal.
49:14.3
where you're coming from, Justice.
49:17.9
The thing I say is,
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the US is very clear
49:20.0
that they will come
49:22.0
yung troops natin,
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aircrafts and vessels.
49:25.5
this is our military.
49:27.0
So, kung tinanggal mo
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yung military natin
49:28.5
sa Ayungin Shoals,
49:33.2
to have more equivocation?
49:41.3
And, they put this
49:42.1
including the Coast Guard.
49:43.9
So, public vessel,
49:45.2
not necessarily military.
49:47.8
substation there.
49:49.5
Sorry, I didn't hear
49:50.7
the Coast Guard part.
49:53.5
Yes, Coast Guard, yes.
49:56.1
Coast Guard, yes.
49:57.2
And, that will be...
49:59.6
They'll have to attack
50:00.4
that Coast Guard vessel.
50:06.3
should be over the horizon?
50:09.3
something like that?
50:11.7
We have to consider
50:12.7
that if we really
50:16.9
As long as we can
50:18.0
resupply our troops,
50:20.4
we should continue
50:21.0
because we're actually
50:22.4
getting the sympathy
50:26.3
the cost is too high
50:28.1
something stupid there.
50:30.0
than they have been doing.
50:30.9
I see what you're saying.
50:32.2
This is a very good discussion
50:33.8
Senator Trillianis,
50:39.5
analysis on this.
50:41.1
I really appreciate
50:42.0
what you also said
50:42.8
on this, Justice Carpio.
50:45.2
a very, very good proposal.
50:51.7
Kamusta si Kiboloy?
50:54.6
You're both from Davao,
50:56.4
I mean, I warned you.
50:57.5
I'm gonna bring out Kiboloy.
51:04.4
san kayo nakatago?
51:09.7
Catch Me If You Can?
51:11.3
Leonardo DiCaprio?
51:13.1
out of the country?
51:14.5
Baka nasa China na siya?
51:15.5
Hindi natin alam.
51:16.3
Nasa Shenzhen na.
51:18.2
As far as I know,
51:20.3
he's still in Davao.
51:22.8
he has two jet planes.
51:24.6
Private jet planes.
51:26.9
Where will he go?
51:27.9
He'll probably go to China.
51:31.7
if he goes to China,
51:33.9
to be turned over.
51:41.3
China is also practical,
51:43.2
take care of you,
51:44.2
you should take care of
51:45.2
What is he gonna do
51:48.8
we have a hostage here.
51:50.2
We will give this to
51:53.1
Mag-exchange program
51:56.1
may manu tayo dyan.
51:58.7
That's why I think
52:00.0
despite the fact na
52:02.3
to get out of the country
52:04.7
and he has nowhere to go.
52:08.1
thank you Justice Gary
52:09.3
for giving us hope
52:10.2
na baka nasa Davao pa,
52:18.5
Tapos mag-egrape siya
52:20.0
Tapos kakain siya
52:23.0
ang pagkaintindi ko siya
52:24.4
hindi pwede na ano eh,
52:26.3
tago siya ng gano'n
52:27.3
mga Saddam Hussein,
52:37.0
bayaran nila lahat
52:38.3
yung charter plane,
52:39.4
yung mga gwardiya niya.
52:42.4
he has to maintain
52:51.5
he will not allow himself
52:53.8
like an ordinary person.
52:57.2
So, takot siya na
52:59.3
tapos mapusasan siya,
53:01.0
hindi siya son of God.
53:03.3
he's gonna be fugitive.
53:06.1
he has to maintain
53:09.3
that he is the son of God.
53:12.5
dahil mga taong ito,
53:15.4
ako may mga update kayo
53:16.3
dyan sa mga Davao
53:23.3
on this kibuloy thing,
53:25.8
with Digong saying,
53:27.5
huwag mo ako idamay,
53:28.7
ikaw na yung nasa listahan.
53:32.0
may end up on the list soon.
53:39.4
at the end of the day,
53:40.8
Duterte is Duterte.
53:42.6
He's willing to drop you
53:43.7
to protect his own skin.
53:46.1
That's the reading
53:50.0
since he's the administrator
53:55.8
a conflict of interest
53:57.3
na it's in his interest
53:59.9
hindi kita kilala
54:01.4
administrator, eh.
54:04.5
legally speaking,
54:05.4
what was that whole
54:06.9
What was their position
54:09.3
all of the assets
54:15.1
I really don't know
54:16.3
how they structure
54:18.0
who owns the assets
54:23.5
We really don't know
54:32.1
right, right, right.
54:37.7
hindi natin alam.
54:39.4
And what is your take
54:40.5
on yung sinasabi ni,
54:41.6
ang pangalan niya,
54:42.4
Robin Hood Padilla,
54:44.0
violation of separation
54:45.9
of church and state principle,
54:47.4
this is unconstitutional,
54:49.3
about self-appointed?
54:52.8
if you commit a crime,
54:55.8
you will be prosecuted.
54:58.6
You're not above,
55:02.8
That doesn't exempt you
55:04.2
from criminal laws.
55:09.5
but this is Robin Hood Padilla,
55:11.0
so I'm not surprised.
55:11.9
But since Justice Carpio,
55:13.8
he's in charge of the
55:14.8
Committee on Constitutional Amendments,
55:16.9
I'm sorry, Justice Carpio,
55:18.0
I'm gonna defer to him
55:25.3
I have to give it to the guy.
55:28.3
kanina lang pa-uwi ako
55:31.3
sabi ni Robin Hood Padilla,
55:33.2
hindi lang dapat si
55:36.3
BBM also have to explain,
55:38.8
he has to explain
55:40.2
ano yung ginagawa niya
55:41.1
sa West Philippine Sea?
55:42.1
Tapos sabay sinabi niya,
55:43.4
we should be unity,
55:44.8
we should not question him.
55:46.7
is he trying to do there?
55:51.7
does BBM have to explain
55:53.1
what is he doing?
55:55.0
has any explanation to do
55:57.9
And he's just following
55:58.8
what the Filipino people want
56:00.0
and what's our national interest?
56:03.7
I'm happy with what he's doing
56:06.3
what I've been saying
56:09.0
not Robin Hood Padilla,
56:10.2
just to be clear.
56:15.9
Yung kay Robin Padilla,
56:18.7
create a maritime militia.
56:22.9
a maritime militia.
56:26.3
Medyo mala action star pa rin.
56:28.2
Thank you very much,
56:29.8
Bawal na yung militia eh
56:31.7
the constitution has
56:34.7
You cannot create
56:36.1
we're winding down
56:41.7
You can't create a new one.
56:44.5
And he's the chair of the
56:56.0
this is Robin Hood Padilla.
56:59.4
Sino yung mga magaling natin
57:00.9
mag-stream na community?
57:01.9
Is it the Bajau community?
57:05.0
Ano yung magaling
57:05.8
mag-swim na matagal
57:09.0
Baka may proposal sila daw
57:11.2
Sila yung mag-milisya.
57:17.1
no match yung China
57:18.1
pag Bajau ang kalaban mo
57:21.2
you throw that coin,
57:24.9
they will die for you.
57:27.2
pag Bajau ang kalaban
57:28.3
ng Chinese Coast Guard,
57:29.9
good luck sa China.
57:32.0
thank you very much,
57:36.5
paki, ano na lang,
57:37.7
pakiping na lang ako
57:38.7
para may discussion tayo.
57:40.9
And thank you also
57:41.6
for giving us a heads up
57:42.7
dun sa 1% Ilocanos
57:44.3
who are still supporting
57:47.7
Pa-investigate din namin
57:50.6
Thank you so much,
57:51.9
for bearing with us.
57:53.9
sinasabotage yata
57:54.7
yung internet ko dito.
57:55.9
May mga hindi natuwa.
57:58.0
But I hope we can
57:59.7
continue this conversation soon.
58:01.3
Maraming salamat, Justice.
58:02.3
Have a good evening po.
58:15.1
Thank you very much.
58:15.8
Ayan, napatawa natin
58:17.0
si Justice Carpio.
58:21.7
parang seryoso pa rin
58:23.7
Hindi makasabay sa ano mo.
58:28.9
ni Justice Carpio.
58:33.1
si Justice Carpio
58:37.4
kiboloy comments natin.
58:40.4
napaisip din siya
58:42.9
na sumusuport pa rin
58:46.0
Sige, on that note,
58:47.1
thank you very much, guys.
58:48.4
talk to you soon.
58:49.7
Nag-arrange din tayo
58:50.8
with Ambassador Romualdez
58:52.2
and number of other people
58:54.5
discussion natin.
58:58.1
Thank you very much.
