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00:19.0
Hello everyone, it's Tuesday, April 16 here in Manila.
00:23.2
I'm Karen Davila giving you the get start for the day.
00:26.3
Our guests for Hot Copy today.
00:28.2
First, we have political analyst Ronald Llamas.
00:32.8
As the world war between President Marcos Jr. and his predecessor, Rodrigo Duterte, continues.
00:40.1
And later on, Foreign Affairs Undersecretary Eduardo de Vega will be joining us for our second Hot Copy.
00:48.7
But first, the headlines.
00:52.4
Today's big stories.
00:54.2
The historic criminal trial of Donald Trump begins in New York.
00:58.2
With no jurors selected.
01:01.3
The chief of Israel's army vows Iran will face consequences for its unprecedented attack on the country.
01:11.5
And despite a deepening rift, President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. says the Philippine government won't hand over Rodrigo Duterte to the International Criminal Court.
01:24.6
On Hot Copy this morning, President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. said that the United States will not hand over the president of the United States to the International Criminal Court.
01:28.2
President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. claims he's in good terms with Vice President Sara Duterte.
01:34.1
But he admits it's a different story with the Vice President's father.
01:39.8
Pia Gutierrez reports.
01:44.1
It's complicated.
01:46.0
That's how President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. describes his relationship right now with the Duterte clan.
01:51.5
As the Philippine leader and his predecessor, former President Rodrigo Duterte, continue to clash.
01:58.2
There's national issues from charter change to the West Philippine Sea.
02:02.9
It's complicated.
02:09.4
It's complicated.
02:10.5
But if you ask about the one of course that I have the most contact with is Inday Sara.
02:20.6
How we were with each other during the campaign, after the election, it hasn't really changed.
02:27.3
But despite a recent change in the campaign, the Duterte clan is still in good terms.
02:28.1
Despite a recent falling out with the Dutertes,
02:30.2
the president during a forum of the Foreign Correspondents Association of the Philippines says
02:34.8
his administration remains firm that it will not hand over Duterte to the International Criminal Court.
02:41.1
This as he insists that the ICC does not have jurisdiction over the Philippines.
02:46.2
We don't recognize the warrant that they will send to us.
02:51.2
It is the rule of ICC that they come in when there is no judiciary.
02:55.4
They come in when there is no police force.
02:58.1
We have a judiciary.
03:00.5
The chief justice, the former chief justice is sitting right here.
03:03.7
He will explain to you how healthy and robust and how active the judiciary is.
03:13.1
The police force, I think, the same thing.
03:15.7
When asked about his family's ill-gotten wealth,
03:18.7
the president says that he is leaving it to his lawyers to handle these cases,
03:23.4
including the contested $40 million Arelma asset of the Marcoses.
03:28.1
It's hard for me to answer.
03:29.7
I really haven't looked at it in years.
03:33.4
And I would advise you to talk to the lawyers that are handling it
03:37.5
because I'm not being specious or anything like that.
03:41.8
Matagal ko nang hindi narinig yung pangalan na Arelma.
03:44.4
The previous cases, the cases that have been posted in 1986, I have not touched.
03:52.5
It would be highly improper for me to involve myself in that.
03:58.1
And besides, I don't have the time to do it.
04:00.9
So I leave it to the lawyers.
04:02.8
As to whether the president will apologize to victims of atrocities committed under his father's martial rule,
04:09.0
Marcos Jr. says it is not his duty as Philippine leader to be involved,
04:13.7
adding that it is a personal matter for the Marcos family.
04:17.0
But you are a member of the Marcos family.
04:19.5
But my role as president is more important right now than my role as a member of the Marcos family.
04:27.1
That's my first priority.
04:29.3
According to the data of Amnesty International,
04:32.0
over 100,000 Filipinos were killed, imprisoned or tortured
04:35.7
under the martial law regime of the president's late father, President Ferdinand Marcos Sr.
04:42.2
Pia Gutierrez, ABS-CBN News.
04:46.9
Meanwhile, former President Rodrigo Duterte has this piece of advice for Marcos.
04:52.5
During Sunday's rally in Davao, Duterte said,
04:55.9
Marcos should be happy he was elected president,
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adding he should no longer seek for an extension of his term.
05:06.3
Finish your term for six years.
05:11.0
Makuntinto ka na dyan at binigyan ka ng panahon ng Panginoong Diyos
05:17.2
na kapagsilbi sa ating bayan as president.
05:25.9
Despite of the fact
05:27.2
ng history ninyo,
05:30.3
pagpabaan ng tatay mo,
05:38.6
binigyan kayo ng pagka...
05:42.5
Kontento ka na lang.
05:50.2
Alright, joining us on Hot Copy this morning,
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we have once again,
05:54.3
political analyst,
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Good morning to you,
06:00.2
Good morning, Karen.
06:02.1
Alright, from the last time I interviewed you on Head Start,
06:05.8
we actually spoke about the word war.
06:10.1
That was the content of our discussion.
06:13.2
A few months after,
06:15.0
it seems to have gotten worse to a different level.
06:18.3
I want to ask you first,
06:20.4
we're seeing President Marcos Jr.,
06:22.4
he's more candid.
06:24.2
There's more candor in his interest.
06:26.8
What are your thoughts on that?
06:30.0
the differences have scaled up.
06:33.0
It has become more antagonistic,
06:35.5
more fundamental,
06:37.2
more diametrically opposed
06:39.2
since the last time we talked here.
06:42.8
Ang pinag-usapan natin last time
06:44.5
was the unraveling of the UNI team
06:46.5
which started last year.
06:49.0
Naka-focus yung away
06:50.2
dun sa confidential
06:52.2
at saka intelligence fund
06:53.5
ni Vice President Sarah Duterte,
06:55.9
na sabi ng kanyang tatay,
06:57.6
ay dinidisrespect yung kanyang anak.
07:01.5
At dun sa charter change.
07:03.8
Yun yung issue last year
07:06.9
na nakakreate ng major division
07:10.7
within the UNI team.
07:12.3
At yun ang pinag-usapan natin.
07:14.3
Nanggaling tayo nun sa isa pang dabaw rally.
07:17.4
Kung maalala mo, di ba?
07:18.8
Pero that dabaw rally was
07:20.4
yung simula na nitong antagonism na ito
07:23.4
dahil nag-threaten si
07:25.1
ex-President Duterte ng secession,
07:31.4
So very fundamental na yun.
07:33.1
Pero between that time at saka ngayon,
07:35.2
ay nag-scale up pa.
07:36.8
Pero ayon nga sa tanong mo,
07:38.8
ay classic yung attitude
07:40.8
o yung conduct ni President Bongbong Marcos.
07:43.7
Yung pagiging passive-aggressive niya.
07:46.1
Di ba? Nung nangyari yung
07:47.4
first dabaw rally,
07:48.8
ang kanyang sagot lang eh,
07:50.4
baka naka-fentanyl.
07:53.7
nandun siya sa Berlin,
07:55.1
ay nung pinapanatan siya
07:56.9
ni ex-President Duterte,
07:59.3
nakakalito naman yung mga banat niya
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dahil pabago-bago.
08:05.8
it's complicated.
08:08.1
Makikita mo yung classic
08:09.4
passive-aggressive.
08:10.8
At the same time,
08:11.7
makikita mo naman kay Digong
08:13.0
yung classic na very antagonistic.
08:16.1
Yung press-frontal attacks.
08:18.4
The former President Duterte,
08:20.8
They're frontal attacks.
08:22.9
Yung isa, indirect.
08:25.1
Passive-aggressive.
08:26.5
Pero last April 11,
08:28.7
yung kanyang press conference,
08:30.4
ay antagonistic na naman
08:33.1
ex-President Duterte.
08:35.7
Minura niya yung Presidente
08:37.2
at ininsulto niya
08:38.3
na hanggang second year college lang.
08:42.2
tinawagan na lang siya
08:43.3
imbis na bumalat.
08:47.5
is around foreign policy.
08:50.1
First time na nagsalita
08:53.3
about the Gentleman's Agreement,
08:55.1
before he went to the U.S.,
08:58.1
eh very aggressive na yung kanyang tone.
09:00.7
Ang sabi niya, horrifying.
09:04.3
yung gumawa nitong secret
09:05.6
at saka Gentleman's Agreement,
09:11.3
kinocompromise na
09:12.3
yung ating territorial integrity
09:13.9
at yung ating sovereignty.
09:21.3
Kahit hindi niya binanggit
09:24.0
ng Gentleman's Agreement.
09:24.5
Kahit hindi niya binanggit yung gumawa
09:24.6
ng Gentleman's Agreement.
09:25.1
Malinaw naman sa lahat
09:26.3
kung sino yung kanyang pinapatamaan.
09:28.9
Kaya, yun yung nakikita natin
09:32.0
Very fundamental,
09:33.1
very antagonistic,
09:34.5
at very diametrically opposed.
09:37.0
yung binanggit dun sa
09:39.3
itong second Dabao Rally,
09:41.1
ay withdrawal of support
09:43.2
ni Pantalion Alvarez.
09:51.6
na yung Presidente ay addict.
09:54.0
ang call na naman niya,
09:55.0
paano magbibigayin
10:03.0
yung sinabi ni Bastet,
10:06.0
Baka mangyari sa kanila
10:07.1
yung nangyari sa Romanov
10:08.4
at saka kay Mussolini.
10:10.4
Yung nangyari sa Romanov,
10:11.9
ito yung hare at saka
10:13.0
pamilya nung Russia before
10:16.4
E pinapatay yun eh.
10:18.6
Tapos si Mussolini
10:20.4
nung World War II.
10:25.0
yung ginawa ni Bastet.
10:26.5
Kung pagsasama-sama mo
10:27.9
yung mga speeches
10:28.7
nung Dabao Rally,
10:34.1
ang sabi lang ng Presidente,
10:35.7
it is complicated.
10:39.8
interesting about this
10:44.8
it's way too early
10:46.1
in the President's term.
10:48.5
This usually happens
10:49.7
on the fifth year
10:50.8
of a sitting President
10:52.2
where all his opponents,
10:57.8
assassinate the character
11:00.1
of the sitting President
11:01.2
and his failures, right?
11:03.3
This is when the President
11:04.5
starts to be a lame duck.
11:07.3
you have President Marcos Jr.
11:13.0
to solve in the country
11:14.6
and he's actually
11:16.3
fending off these
11:17.6
insults coming from
11:25.0
have all banded together.
11:27.6
Pantaleon Alvarez
11:28.6
was not speaking with Duterte.
11:30.9
Now, they're in a press conference together.
11:33.9
You have Bastet all together.
11:36.0
They're all in unison.
11:40.8
is this a real threat
11:42.4
to the President?
11:45.9
Dalawa yung dahilan
11:46.9
kung bakit nag-scale up ito
11:48.5
o bakit nag-unravel.
11:52.3
wala namang masyadong malalim na unity.
11:55.0
Unity was a slogan.
11:56.8
But there was no platform,
11:58.0
there was no vision,
11:58.9
there was no principles.
12:00.8
I doubt even if there's friendship.
12:03.9
Hindi siya nagsama nung matagal eh.
12:06.9
And no shared values.
12:11.9
they may not be that long.
12:13.5
But you're right.
12:14.5
There's a friendship
12:15.3
and some shared values.
12:19.0
ay napaaga yung usapin
12:21.3
ng next presidential election
12:25.0
As early as 2022,
12:26.7
yung lahat ng mga reklamo
12:29.4
ng kanilang mga allies,
12:30.9
ng presidential sister,
12:32.8
ni Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo,
12:34.8
ni Vice President Sara,
12:37.3
ay na-focus dun sa usapin
12:39.8
ng 2028 election.
12:41.8
Mukhang may promisa
12:43.9
na yung kanyang successor
12:45.5
ay si Sara Duterte
12:47.1
at mukhang as early as 2022,
12:49.7
itong promisa na ito
12:54.3
Kaya napaaga yung away.
12:56.8
But is that a fact?
12:59.3
do you have information on that?
13:01.1
Is that solid sourcing
13:02.6
that President Marcos Jr. promised
13:05.6
the presidency after his term
13:10.2
Well, indirectly,
13:13.2
pinapakilala niya si Sara
13:14.5
as the successor.
13:16.2
Kung yung agreement na yan
13:19.5
is another thing.
13:22.3
yung ganong klaseng
13:25.9
kung yun man ay nangyari,
13:28.5
as early as 2022.
13:30.7
Dahil nagsimula na dyan
13:34.0
The Tambalus Laws incident
13:45.2
with the Charter Change Proposal.
13:47.5
Which, hindi loss
13:51.8
yung political system,
13:53.2
para maging pabor
13:58.0
si Speaker Romualdez.
14:09.7
the scaling up is
14:15.1
to scale something up.
14:17.7
So, my question is,
14:19.7
former President Duterte
14:23.9
President Marcos Jr.,
14:25.5
calling him a crybaby.
14:27.8
Now, my question is,
14:29.1
should President Marcos Jr.,
14:32.2
be answering back
14:35.2
Because he's been responding.
14:37.4
Like that crybaby
14:40.7
in front of the press.
14:42.5
If that were President Obama
14:44.2
or any other U.S. President,
14:46.2
they would not even
14:47.3
dignify these things.
14:56.5
yung nangyari sa Berlin.
14:58.1
Nung pinanatan siya
15:00.1
naglalamierda lang
15:01.3
at nagbabakasyon,
15:03.1
Pinakita niya yung kanyang schedule.
15:05.8
hindi mo na pinapatulan.
15:07.7
Because ang nangyari,
15:10.0
former President Duterte
15:11.3
is controlling the narrative
15:12.7
when you're responding.
15:15.4
Because you're put on the defense.
15:16.9
Sinasagot mo siya.
15:19.3
Dalawa yung dilema
15:21.8
Yung mga banat sa kanya
15:23.4
ay very fundamental na.
15:27.7
even a hint of assassination.
15:30.8
kailangan niya sumagot
15:31.8
or else magmumuka siyang
15:35.7
pipiliin din niya
15:36.7
yung kanyang battles.
15:41.0
dapat yung kanyang
15:45.5
ang nagdedepensa sa kanya.
15:49.6
ng mga cabinet secretary.
15:51.0
Ito yung first line.
15:51.8
Ito yung first line of defense.
15:52.8
Parang nawawala yun eh.
16:02.0
the incumbent president.
16:06.9
kasama yung kanyang allies.
16:09.0
Pantalion Alvarez,
16:11.5
na dating executive secretary,
16:18.6
si vice president.
16:25.8
si vice president
16:30.0
doon sa rally na yun.
16:31.8
si Bongbong Marcos.
16:34.0
kanyang pamumulo.
16:40.6
I wanna ask you this.
16:42.4
President Marcos Jr.
16:47.1
You make a very good point.
16:49.8
the vice president,
16:50.5
went to Kibuloy's
16:58.1
during Duterte's time,
16:59.9
when Lenny Robredo
17:06.0
I can't remember,
17:06.7
but you can correct me,
17:08.1
she was stripped off
17:16.5
eliminate immediately.
17:18.6
Including Lenny Robredo,
17:28.3
actually increase
17:33.3
President Marcos Jr.,
17:37.1
praising the vice president,
17:40.0
still as education secretary
17:42.3
when there are issues
17:44.3
and her management
17:46.4
He even defended her
17:47.9
in the West Philippine Sea issue
17:52.4
President Duterte,
17:54.2
that person would be
17:55.2
removed and stripped
17:57.7
Is the president,
17:58.8
is President Marcos Jr.
18:00.4
doing the right thing?
18:02.9
Tama ka, Karen, no?
18:06.1
completely disempowered
18:09.6
Yeah, wasn't only
18:11.1
tinangkan siya sa cabinet.
18:12.8
Hindi lang yung housing,
18:14.1
ginawa kasi siyang
18:18.5
nagmua sa kanyang
18:22.7
si Vice President
18:29.3
extrajudicial killings.
18:32.3
ay pigilan yung supply.
18:34.0
Eh, tinanggal siya.
18:36.2
denemolized pa siya.
18:43.7
is another thing.
18:45.3
very decisive siya
18:46.4
na ito ay hindi na
18:48.4
Kaya tinanggal niya.
18:49.6
Denemolized niya.
18:51.4
yung Vice President
19:02.1
doon sa pananakit
19:02.9
sa ating kababayan
19:03.9
sa West Philippine Sea.
19:05.7
Ang sabi pa ni Presidente
19:08.3
as Secretary of Education.
19:10.5
trabaho niya yun eh.
19:11.3
Ang trabaho ng Vice President
19:12.5
as Secretary of Education
19:14.6
ng ating kabataan.
19:16.1
At mahalaga diyan
19:19.1
sa West Philippine Sea.
19:22.2
yung pagdepensa niya.
19:28.1
At least with the Vice President.
19:29.9
Dahil nanalo siya
19:30.9
based on unity eh.
19:33.1
So gusto niya ipakita
19:34.8
ganunlasing semblance
19:36.1
kahit in substance
19:42.2
on President Marcos Jr.'s part?
19:47.7
have been drawn eh.
19:49.2
this past few months.
19:50.2
Hampty-dampty na yan eh.
19:52.5
All the king's men
19:55.5
Kahit anong gawin niya.
19:57.7
mag-devise na siya
19:59.1
ng bagong narrative
20:03.9
passive-aggressive attitude,
20:06.6
conflict-averse attitude,
20:08.7
ang nagdidikta ng narrative
20:12.4
Yun yung magiging
20:13.5
major fundamental weakness
20:16.7
The one dictating
20:19.8
sa kanyang klaseng
20:21.6
passive-aggressive attitude.
20:24.9
Yung horrified statement niya,
20:27.1
ay dapat ganun na
20:28.5
yung kanyang narrative.
20:33.1
Kung hindi tatamaan siya
20:34.1
as a weak leader,
20:36.0
as an indecisive leader.
20:39.2
pagtawanan pa siya,
20:41.7
a fundamental disunity.
20:47.6
But is President Marcos Jr.,
20:49.8
there are a few things, right?
20:51.0
It's like a game of chess.
20:53.2
you're patronizing the enemy
20:55.5
keep your enemies closer.
20:58.1
Many people are familiar
20:59.3
with that saying, right?
21:02.0
And the other thing
21:02.8
some are saying is,
21:07.3
The lead character
21:08.7
plays the long game.
21:13.6
the council thinks
21:16.0
he eventually becomes shogun.
21:19.7
passive-aggressive behavior
21:22.1
President Marcos Jr.?
21:28.5
does he have a play here
21:30.5
are seeing till the end?
21:34.4
yung kanyang strategy.
21:36.0
But this cannot be
21:42.0
Dahil yung mga banat sa kanya
21:43.4
are very fundamental
21:44.5
at saka antagonistic.
21:46.9
simple differences.
21:48.6
parating yung midterm election.
21:53.9
Kung yung nakakuha
21:56.3
ay yung kanyang kalaban.
22:01.0
elephant in the room.
22:02.2
We're in the middle
22:03.0
of the great game
22:10.1
Ang dami na nga nilang
22:11.0
proof na nakikialam
22:16.3
pwedeng slow burn.
22:20.0
a quick decisive action
22:21.3
to show his leadership.
22:23.6
moving into the midterms.
22:25.5
Kung titignan mo,
22:27.8
kung ano yung ruling party.
22:31.0
has a ruling party
22:32.0
or a ruling coalition.
22:35.1
hindi ganun kalinaw eh.
22:36.7
Wala namang sumiseryoso
22:37.8
doon sa partido federal.
22:39.8
It's a bagong partido lang.
22:42.2
yung ruling coalition
22:43.7
ay nakasentro lamang
22:45.0
sa isang partido.
22:46.6
ng kanyang pinsan.
22:48.3
Si Speaker Alvarez.
22:49.9
kailangan din niya
22:52.8
Ano yung ruling party?
22:54.7
yung kanyang cabinet,
22:55.9
kailangan magsimula
22:56.7
ng depensahan siya.
23:00.7
paltan yung cabinet
23:05.8
kumuha ng mga tao
23:06.7
na mas effectively
23:08.0
de-depensahan siya.
23:13.6
of former President
23:17.1
in the six years,
23:19.6
beyond an atmosphere
23:23.8
even with cabinet secretaries,
23:26.0
they would all trumpet
23:29.5
regardless if they
23:34.3
of the cabinet today?
23:36.7
Opposite naman ito, eh.
23:38.8
noong panahon ni Duterte,
23:39.9
takot na takot yung tao
23:41.5
bumabagsak sa kalsada.
23:43.0
Andaming extrajudicial killings
23:44.5
in their thousands, no?
23:47.0
parang yung presidente
23:53.3
antagonistic attacks
24:00.2
Even a hint of assassination.
24:03.1
passive-aggressive
24:07.9
When those statements
24:15.2
Or should he have
24:15.8
threatened to file the case?
24:17.8
He let it slide by?
24:19.4
Yes, at the minimum,
24:22.0
you should put them
24:22.8
on the defensive.
24:24.1
Para ikaw pa yung
24:24.9
nasa defensive, eh.
24:26.3
Ikaw na yung tinetreten.
24:27.9
Ikaw pa yung nasa defensive.
24:30.2
sila dapat yung kabahan, no?
24:33.7
yung kanilang mga banat,
24:35.1
yung kanilang mga threats,
24:36.6
are not only antagonistic
24:39.4
they, they are seditious.
24:42.7
sila pa yung, ah,
24:45.9
to go on the offensive
24:48.9
is on the offensive.
24:49.4
On the defensive.
24:50.2
Kaya, kung nung panahon
24:51.6
ni Digong ay kinakatakutan siya,
24:53.7
parang walang takot
24:58.0
what should President Marcos do?
24:60.0
This is interesting
25:00.7
because it's also about
25:04.9
Former President Duterte
25:07.1
exactly who he is.
25:09.0
That is his character,
25:11.7
That's who he is.
25:12.8
It's not even put on.
25:14.7
He campaigned with that,
25:15.9
he led with that,
25:17.6
as an ordinary citizen,
25:19.4
he is still behaving
25:22.0
But those who know
25:22.8
President Marcos Jr.,
25:24.3
I'm sure you've heard this,
25:26.2
has described him
25:30.2
They've said that.
25:31.9
very mild-mannered
25:34.1
Western-educated.
25:38.7
he won't get into a brawl.
25:40.3
He won't get into
25:42.5
Paano yan, Ronald?
25:51.1
yung interview niya kahapon
25:54.7
maganda naman yung sagot niya.
25:59.2
I am a president.
26:00.8
Then, as a president,
26:04.1
Kailangan i-adjust niya
26:07.9
yung kanyang conduct.
26:10.8
you have all the power.
26:15.4
nung kanyang image.
26:16.2
Ang balat pa sa kanya
26:17.0
nung Dabao Rally,
26:19.9
Yung balat sa kanya,
26:21.8
Kaya dapat i-withdraw
26:23.8
Pero yung opposite nga,
26:24.9
yung kanyang attitude
26:29.9
to put on the defensive
26:37.7
Kailangan niya mag-scale up.
26:39.1
Kailangan niya magbago.
26:40.4
As president, no?
26:41.8
Sabi niya kahapon,
26:42.9
di so longer niya sa Marcos.
26:44.7
Ronald, this is interesting.
26:46.4
How would you want him
26:48.3
Because you've seen
26:49.2
you've had a long history
26:52.5
and witnessing presidents,
26:55.5
How would you scale up?
26:56.5
You have former president
26:57.6
Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo
26:59.1
who was very popular
27:01.6
she did her thing,
27:04.0
She had fun decisions.
27:09.2
she had an iron fist.
27:10.7
That's a bit too strong.
27:12.2
But former president
27:13.1
Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo,
27:16.0
she led her own way
27:23.0
was extremely popular.
27:27.3
sabi ko nga kanina,
27:29.9
his house in order.
27:33.0
ayusin niya yung ruling coalition.
27:35.1
Dahil isa to sa magiging
27:36.3
major defender niya
27:37.7
going into the midterms.
27:40.2
ayusin niya yung kanyang kabinet.
27:41.9
The cabinet should be defending him.
27:44.6
Hindi dapat tahimik lang sila.
27:49.2
yung narrative niya
27:50.2
dun sa kanyang statement
27:52.6
yun yung dapat niyang gawin.
27:54.5
lumalabas naman eh.
27:57.1
this is practically
27:58.4
treason and betrayal.
28:01.6
Without directly saying it.
28:04.8
na dapat niyang i-scale up.
28:06.9
At dapat niyang gamitin
28:08.0
itong usapin ng West Philippine Sea
28:09.7
dahil 90% ng populasyon
28:12.4
ay pwede siyang suportahan.
28:15.7
At galit dun sa mga supporters ng China
28:19.2
yun yung attitude ngayon
28:22.5
at saka ng mga allies niya.
28:26.0
itong issue ng West Philippine Sea
28:27.9
against his enemies
28:29.3
which are clearly the Duterte.
28:32.0
In terms of tone.
28:36.1
how can President Marcos Jr.
28:38.0
get his house in order
28:39.5
when his very own sister,
28:41.6
Senator Aimee Marcos,
28:44.8
defends the Duterte,
28:46.0
she said she will be with the Dutertes
28:55.9
sided with Pastor Apollo Quiboloy.
28:58.4
Which is so opposite
29:00.9
from where this administration is going
29:03.6
with Pastor Apollo Quiboloy.
29:06.5
So how can he get his house in order
29:10.6
who has her own powers,
29:12.4
her own influence,
29:14.0
isn't fully on his side?
29:16.9
Well, wala na siyang magagawa sa kanyang sister.
29:19.2
Very fundamental na
29:21.8
yung kanilang mga differences.
29:24.4
may cracks na rin
29:25.4
sa relasyon ng kanyang sister
29:26.6
with the Duterte.
29:27.9
Binanata ni Bastet,
29:30.2
binanata ni Panelo.
29:32.0
Meron silang mga binabanggit
29:34.3
na hindi natuloy.
29:35.7
At hindi sinuportahan
29:38.0
yung calls for secession,
29:40.3
calls for insurrection,
29:41.6
calls for mutiny.
29:43.3
medyo yung relasyon niya sa Duterte
29:44.7
hindi na rin ganong kasolid.
29:47.0
ang sinasabi ko kasi
29:49.6
getting his house in order
29:52.0
ruling koalisyon.
29:55.5
yung lahat ng sumusuporta
29:56.8
sa kanyang partido,
29:57.7
e-formalize na niya
29:58.7
as a ruling koalisyon.
30:00.1
Yun naman ang nangyayari
30:01.0
sa lahat ng presidente.
30:02.4
Kung mahalala mo,
30:07.9
sino ba ang kanyang
30:08.9
mga political operators,
30:10.5
political strategies,
30:13.6
si Vice President
30:18.0
at saka chief operator,
30:19.9
Secretary Ebasco.
30:26.8
ruling koalisyon,
30:27.8
wala ka pa ang mga
30:28.4
political strategies
30:37.4
So, my last question
30:39.3
don't have enough time
30:40.1
but we can do this again,
30:42.5
because it's always
30:43.1
interesting to speak
30:46.4
to the Filipino people
30:51.6
I always say this
30:55.1
with a non-renewal
30:58.3
it's more difficult
31:03.5
Because of the reach.
31:05.7
you only have those
31:06.8
who are in power,
31:12.3
that have the edge,
31:14.2
which is quite unfair
31:15.6
for the Filipino people.
31:21.2
and the Dutertes.
31:23.6
new blood coming in.
31:25.3
We're not discovering
31:27.6
but the one person
31:30.2
giving Sara Duterte
31:31.4
a run for her money
31:38.4
kung titignan natin
31:39.2
yung lahat ng survey,
31:44.7
ng populasyon ngayon
31:45.7
ay nagiging disenchanted.
31:49.7
between the Duterte
32:04.7
ang nakikinabang dyan
32:08.5
is a huge potential.
32:11.7
voting population.
32:13.7
sino yung makakaharness
32:19.9
mga mga Pilipino.
32:21.2
Dati passive yan eh.
32:24.0
Dahil doon sa aggression
32:24.9
sa West Philippine Sea.
32:26.0
Kaya nga sinasabi ko kanina,
32:27.4
that can be weaponized
32:32.2
West Philippine Sea issue.
32:34.1
this is the first time
32:36.3
can play into the election.
32:38.3
Dahil emotional siya.
32:39.5
Before, hindi eh.
32:48.2
namupuno sa kanila.
32:49.9
pwedeng pakinabangan
32:58.1
two major contenders.
33:02.1
Na parehong bumaba ba ah?
33:04.1
Pinapakita ng survey.
33:08.7
nagkahanap ng alternative
33:13.5
medyo doon mahina
33:15.3
Doon niya kinakailangan
33:17.2
Change the political
33:21.5
iba na nagdi-dictate
33:22.4
ng political narrative.
33:25.5
I'm curious, Ronald,
33:26.8
has the administration
33:27.8
ever reached out to you?
33:30.0
I doubt if they will.
33:32.6
Alam mo naman yung aking
33:34.0
political positioning.
33:39.1
But I have to thank you.
33:43.0
even from our last interview,
33:45.3
they've always been unforgiving
33:46.7
but they're quite objective.
33:48.0
So, thank you for
33:49.7
Maraming salamat.
33:52.4
I'll see you again.
33:53.5
Political analyst,
33:58.2
We're gonna take a quick
34:00.2
We'll be right back.
34:18.9
Welcome back to Get Start.
34:38.8
The Philippines expressing
34:41.8
over increasing tensions
34:43.8
between Israel and Iran.
34:46.6
Willard Cheng has the latest.
34:52.2
the international community
34:55.5
on the evening of April 13
34:57.1
and called for sanctions
34:58.5
against the Iranian
34:59.5
Revolutionary Guard Corps,
35:01.5
which Israel alleged
35:02.6
was behind the hijacking
35:03.9
of the Portuguese
35:04.9
civilian cargo ship
35:07.0
near the Strait of Hormuz
35:08.8
with four Filipino
35:09.9
seafarers on board.
35:12.0
What we have seen
35:13.1
last Saturday night
35:15.2
is a continuation
35:22.5
If I'm in Israel and
35:24.3
for the October seven
35:25.5
massacre by Hamas,
35:27.4
which is an Iranian proxy
35:28.9
and the challenges
35:34.6
have to be understood
35:37.4
by the international community.
35:40.1
to see the international
35:41.6
community condemn Iran
35:44.1
and promote sanctions
35:46.0
against the the Iranian
35:47.9
Revolutionary Guard Corps.
35:48.6
Affairs issued a statement expressing
35:50.8
the Philippine's serious concern
35:52.4
over increasing tensions between
35:54.5
Israel and Iran, and urged
35:56.6
parties to refrain from escalating
35:58.5
the situation and to work towards
36:00.6
a peaceful resolution of the conflict.
36:03.1
UN Secretary General Antonio
36:04.8
Guterres also called for maximum
36:06.6
restraint, with the Middle East
36:08.5
now on the brink of a devastating
36:10.5
full-scale conflict.
36:12.4
I stated the following last night
36:16.7
I strongly condemn the serious
36:18.5
escalation represented by the
36:20.6
large-scale attack
36:22.6
launched on Israel
36:24.4
by the Islamic Republic of Iran,
36:26.3
and we have a shared responsibility
36:28.1
to actively engage all parties
36:30.9
concerned to prevent
36:33.1
further escalation.
36:36.8
Friendly Relations Declaration of
36:40.8
acts of reprisal involving the
36:42.7
use of force are bared
36:44.5
under international law.
36:48.4
shared responsibility
36:49.5
to secure an immediate humanitarian
36:52.2
ceasefire in Gaza,
36:54.2
the immediate and unconditional release
36:56.0
of all hostages, and
36:57.8
unimpeded delivery of humanitarian aid.
37:00.7
The DFA and the Philippine
37:02.0
Migrant Workers Department meanwhile assure
37:04.1
the public the four Filipinos
37:05.9
on board the seized vessel are safe.
37:09.2
The Philippine Embassy
37:10.3
in Israel has meanwhile posted videos
37:12.3
to remind Filipinos there what
37:14.2
to do in case of rocket alerts
37:16.2
outside their homes.
37:18.4
Speaking to reporters from Jerusalem,
37:20.5
Ambassador Flues ensured the safety
37:22.3
of Filipinos in Israel
37:23.7
as he pointed out the defense mechanisms
37:26.3
in place to intercept the
37:28.2
attacks against Israel. Flues
37:30.2
added the Israeli economy is open
37:32.2
and functioning, and that the country
37:34.2
remains open to tourists.
37:36.6
And as I said before,
37:38.2
you can see that the Israeli economy,
37:40.1
Israeli society, everything is fully
37:41.9
functioning. And I'll be happy to
37:44.1
present this to any relevant
37:48.4
authorities of the Philippines
37:50.5
and Filipino decision makers
37:53.9
and politicians. But at the end of the day,
37:56.5
I fully respect the decision
37:58.0
of a sovereign country on how to
38:00.1
approach to their own citizens.
38:02.2
Israel said its defense
38:04.1
and a defense coalition of international
38:06.0
partners managed to intercept
38:10.3
the Iranian launches.
38:11.9
Willard Cheng, ABS-CBN News.
38:17.6
And we're now in the middle of the night.
38:18.3
We're now joined by DFA Migrant Workers
38:20.3
Affairs Undersecretary Eduardo
38:22.5
de Vega. Undersecretary de Vega,
38:24.7
good morning to you.
38:26.2
Good morning. I have a new title, by the way.
38:28.6
Oh, please. I'm sorry. Please, sir.
38:30.9
To avoid confusion with the
38:32.4
new Department of Migrant Workers,
38:34.5
our office within the DFA is now called
38:36.5
the Office of the
38:38.3
Undersecretary for Migration Affairs.
38:40.5
Migration Affairs. I see. All right.
38:42.1
Migrant Workers, which is DMW, so that
38:44.3
we cover issues beyond
38:46.4
the protection of migrant workers.
38:48.3
But also issues involving
38:50.5
migration. So that it's clear
38:52.3
because we're transitioning to the new
38:54.4
department as well. Okay. All right.
38:56.4
Thank you for that, Undersecretary.
38:58.6
So let's start first with the
39:00.3
overall situation in
39:02.4
Israel with Iran's
39:04.6
threat. Of course,
39:06.7
this is coming from the
39:08.4
Hamas attack on Israel
39:10.4
and Israel retaliating
39:18.3
country. Where does that put
39:20.3
our Filipino citizens
39:24.3
The Filipinos in Israel,
39:26.3
and I served in Israel, that was my first diplomatic
39:28.3
assignment in the 90s,
39:30.3
are quite aware of
39:32.3
the fact that they live
39:34.3
in a country which often faces
39:36.3
a volatile situation
39:38.3
in its relationship with its neighbors.
39:40.3
And that's the same for all
39:42.3
Filipino nationals throughout the
39:44.3
Middle East. They
39:46.3
live there, they work there, they earn well,
39:50.3
that the political situation
39:52.3
is not, say for example,
39:54.3
as stable as that between ASEAN countries,
39:58.3
they all know how to take precautions
40:00.3
and Ambassador Jun Lailo
40:02.3
has said it. And it's a standard thing
40:04.3
for the embassy to give
40:06.3
advisories to the Filipino community.
40:08.3
And they do follow them to follow
40:10.3
regulations, to be aware
40:12.3
if there are signal
40:16.3
you go to the bomb shelters
40:18.3
which every building in Israel is equipped with.
40:20.3
What is significant,
40:24.3
Ambassador Flues, and shout out
40:26.3
to Ambassador Flues,
40:28.3
Bokartov Haver, Shalom,
40:30.3
is that they were able to respond
40:36.3
Iranian attack and they
40:38.3
were able to defend themselves through their
40:42.3
Iron Dome defense.
40:44.3
On the other hand,
40:46.3
the Iranians themselves have said
40:48.3
that on their part, they
40:50.3
considered the matter like concluded.
40:52.3
They got attacked, the embassy got
40:54.3
attacked in Damascus,
40:56.3
resulted in the deaths of some Iranians,
41:00.3
what they're capable of doing.
41:02.3
The Iranian people supported their government
41:06.3
that's it, they considered the matter closed.
41:10.3
joined in the calls for no more escalation
41:14.3
and the retention of the status quo.
41:16.3
The Filipinos so far,
41:18.3
therefore, in both countries, are fine.
41:22.3
Now, let's talk about the four
41:26.3
Iran had attacked
41:32.3
is it Israeli-owned
41:34.3
or supports Israel?
41:36.3
Well, it's a Portuguese flag
41:40.3
the company owning it has connections
41:44.3
It's the same template
41:48.3
And yes, it's been taken over.
41:50.3
It's the second ship which Iran
41:58.3
the first was MV San Nicolas
42:00.3
and we already had the 18 seafarers
42:02.3
sent home and now we still have
42:04.3
four in this new ship.
42:06.3
They're a minority among the seafarers.
42:08.3
The largest is the Indian contingent.
42:10.3
There's 17 Indian seafarers.
42:12.3
But how can we guarantee
42:16.3
How would we know that?
42:20.3
around midnight, they were
42:24.3
the Iranian and I shall
42:26.3
diplomatically say
42:32.3
to contact their families.
42:34.3
Each of the four contacted their families
42:44.3
So, they are fine.
42:46.3
They're being fed.
42:48.3
Of course, nobody wants to be in this situation.
42:50.3
But they've been told
42:52.3
that they will be released
42:54.3
soon. All of them.
43:00.3
Let's hope. And today we're
43:02.3
meeting with the Iranian ambassador
43:06.3
I'm curious. Is the Philippine government
43:08.3
issuing a statement against
43:12.3
Is there a formal statement at this point?
43:16.3
the UN Secretary General has already spoken
43:18.3
on behalf of the world
43:20.3
community that we
43:24.3
under international law any violent attack.
43:26.3
On the other hand,
43:28.3
a specific DFA statement
43:30.3
released yesterday is that we don't want
43:32.3
an escalation of tensions.
43:34.3
President Biden, President of the USA,
43:36.3
with whom we have an alliance,
43:40.3
told Prime Minister Netanyahu,
43:46.3
you won, in effect,
43:48.3
because nobody got injured.
43:52.3
use the vernacular, patas na.
43:54.3
Mataki kayo. Mataki ng Iran.
43:56.3
And that is, in fact, the position
43:58.3
of Iran. In their words,
44:00.3
they say they consider the matter closed.
44:02.3
So they do not intend
44:04.3
to continue further. So let us see
44:06.3
how Israel acts. If they
44:08.3
do act against Iran,
44:10.3
they will be facing three fronts.
44:12.3
They still have the issue with Gaza.
44:14.3
There's Hezbollah
44:16.3
in southern Lebanon.
44:18.3
And the Iranians,
44:22.3
of being the actual
44:24.3
patrons of the Hezbollah in the Hamas.
44:28.3
I think world peace
44:30.3
and regional stability would be aided
44:32.3
if there's no more
44:34.3
escalation of these tensions
44:38.3
attacks back and forth.
44:40.3
Yeah. What's interesting,
44:42.3
I mean, in this region for the Filipinos
44:46.3
other areas where there's a threat
44:48.3
of war, you have Filipinos wanting to
44:50.3
come home. But so far
44:52.3
in the last few months, have you actually
44:54.3
repatriated Filipinos?
44:56.3
I mean, you have,
44:58.3
but those... First of all,
45:00.3
from Gaza, you know we repatriate about
45:02.3
130. But then again,
45:04.3
that is an incredibly untenable
45:08.3
Alright. So you have to leave that area.
45:14.3
of the tensions in the area,
45:16.3
there have been over 200
45:20.3
who have gone home in the past
45:22.3
several months. And
45:24.3
Israel, around the same, a little more.
45:26.3
Because there have been
45:28.3
30,000 Filipinos in general
45:32.3
250 plus have gone home,
45:34.3
including the latest batches a few weeks
45:38.3
in general, there are no indications
45:40.3
of Filipinos telling the
45:42.3
ambassadors in Beirut or in Tel Aviv
45:46.3
anxious to go home. If they want to go home,
45:48.3
part of it is a tension, but more of it
45:50.3
is because they have no more jobs or
45:52.3
their visas have expired, their working visa.
45:54.3
There's nothing anymore for them.
45:58.3
the early tension
46:00.3
was right after the original
46:02.3
attack on October 7.
46:04.3
Since then, the Filipinos in Israel
46:08.3
So Ambassador Flosa mentioned that.
46:14.3
lately, they haven't gone to the embassy, but
46:16.3
we'll update you on that.
46:18.3
We haven't raised the alert level.
46:20.3
It's alert level 2 for Israel,
46:22.3
meaning no new deployment of workers.
46:24.3
Ambassador, the Israeli ambassador is not very
46:26.3
happy about that. Yes, yes, yes.
46:30.3
new deployment of workers
46:34.3
And I'm sure ang daming naghihintay.
46:38.3
nagtatrabaho na doon, pwede pumunta dito
46:40.3
at nakabalik. Okay.
46:44.3
you can't fault the government naman.
46:48.3
it's a difficult situation.
46:50.3
I mean, the situation
46:52.3
on the ground looks normal.
46:54.3
But anything can happen at any time.
46:58.3
the DMW and the Israeli
47:00.3
government still have to finalize
47:04.3
on the arrangements for the deployment of caregivers.
47:08.3
Now, if I may go to Iran,
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there are 2,000 Filipinos there.
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But most of them are Iranian
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citizens. Because if you're
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without revealing your age, Ms. Davila.
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I'm not blessed to say with you.
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But in the 80s, ang daming Iranian
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students sa atin, di ba?
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They came home not only
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with a diploma, but with a
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marriage certificate. With their wives.
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So, pero ang tanong ko, wait,
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undersecretary, are we deploying
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Filipinos to Iran?
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Hardly. We're not deploying
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Filipinos to Iran because,
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not because we're banning them from going
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to Iran, but because Iran
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is not asking, is not
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needing Filipino workers.
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But may mga Filipino doon
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who happen to be Iranian citizens
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because if you marry
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marries an Iranian male,
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automatically she becomes an
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Iranian citizen under Iranian law.
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They are protected and they are not asking
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to go home either.
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So, I'm waiting for
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Ambassador Roberto Manalo, no relation
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to foreign secretary. He's our ambassador in
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Tehran, and he's going to call
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on the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, or he probably did
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We're waiting for his report. It's still early morning
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there. So, we'll see.
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But our chief concern now
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is of course the seafarers, and
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I think there will be positive news about
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that, that they'll be released
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Okay. Alright. Now
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before we go, I want to take this opportunity
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anyway, since you are
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Undersecretary of the Department of
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Foreign Affairs, maybe not exactly in
48:50.3
your purview, but just recently
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I was talking, I mean I was
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speaking with political analyst Ronald Llamas,
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and you already have former
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President Duterte
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criticizing President Marcos Jr.
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for his foreign policy
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when it comes to the United States.
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Clearly different from the foreign
49:08.3
policy of former President
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Duterte. You were already in government
49:14.3
former President Duterte's time,
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so I'm sure internally,
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you feel the shift of the
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foreign policy. What's your
49:22.3
take on, I guess, the exchange
49:28.3
I heard the interview with
49:30.3
Mr. Llamas, and he challenged the Cabinet
49:32.3
saying they should be defending the President.
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So I, Undersecretary
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is a sub-Cabinet official, so let me defend
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the President. In fact,
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you defended the President already by saying
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we are who we are.
49:44.3
And each President of the Philippines is
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effective in his or her own way
49:48.3
depending on how he or she
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runs things based on their
49:52.3
personalities. You mentioned Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.
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was regularly accused of being
49:58.3
so laid back and not really
50:00.3
being very on the go.
50:02.3
And of course, we had
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President Duterte, and now we have
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the gentlemanly style of Bongbong Marcos.
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Is that a revelation? He was
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always a gentleman.
50:16.3
And it is this gentlemanly
50:18.3
style of leadership which has
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vocal critics of the past
50:28.3
sad to say, I would have to say
50:32.3
or the Yellows or before,
50:34.3
Ms. Ressa perhaps, Laila de Lima,
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to be supportive of the President.
50:38.3
So it comes with that.
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He is the Commander-in-Chief.
50:42.3
He gives us quiet leadership
50:44.3
and quiet instructions.
50:46.3
And that is why we do all we can to protect
50:50.3
And I will also say
50:52.3
something for the Vice President.
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She is the elected Vice President
50:56.3
and a Cabinet Secretary.
50:58.3
We are still working with her in the Department of Foreign Affairs.
51:00.3
For example, in my unit
51:02.3
in particular, we're in touch with her
51:04.3
office because she is very
51:08.3
about the education of Filipinos,
51:10.3
Filipino children in Sabah.
51:12.3
And that's a particularly sensitive
51:16.3
But what about the West Philippine Sea?
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I think her style
51:22.3
is more respectful
51:24.3
of the fact that the President
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is the chief architect of foreign policy.
51:28.3
When it was under Duterte,
51:30.3
he was not following
51:32.3
a very pro-American path, needless to say.
51:34.3
The President has
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returned us to the
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alliance of the United States.
51:40.3
There is big prestige, great prestige
51:42.3
in having a trilateral summit
51:44.3
between the US, the Philippines,
51:46.3
and Japan together.
51:50.3
Of course, her father thinks differently.
51:54.3
the President supposed to do?
51:58.3
He's a good friend, Mr. Llamas.
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He's a great fellow.
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But you have to remember, he's a political analyst.
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It isn't personal at all.
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that the President fight
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his own Vice President?
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Then that would be chaotic. Weren't they concerned
52:14.3
that President Duterte had this very, very
52:16.3
strong, volatile leadership
52:18.3
which was effective in his own right?
52:20.3
But now we have President Marcos
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quiet, measured in his words.
52:26.3
We do think it's effective.
52:28.3
I do think the people still
52:30.3
support him, including on the West Philippine Sea.
52:34.3
that among the critics,
52:36.3
I would like to think they are not doing it
52:38.3
because they are pro-China.
52:40.3
Perhaps they are thinking that
52:42.3
we should not be too
52:44.3
allied with the U.S.
52:46.3
and maybe have a more balanced approach.
52:48.3
I would like to think everybody is pro-Philippines.
52:50.3
And I think the President knows that.
52:54.3
we have heard from the President himself
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and he has his style
52:58.3
and I believe it's working.
53:00.3
Certainly in the matter of migration issues,
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we have been successful.
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And that's in part
53:06.3
due to the quiet leadership of the President.
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I want to thank you
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for indulging me with that last question.
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I want to thank you
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for joining me today.
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It's a pleasure. Thank you, Ms. Davila.
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And that's a good start today.
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I'm Karen Davila. Thank you for watching.
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