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Good morning. So, of course, you're part of the Razon Group.
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Of course, Mr. Razon is into ports, is into gaming, and this is his infrastructure sustainability arm.
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I wonder, when you have conversations in the boardroom with Mr. Razon,
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what's the marching order for you, for this company?
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All right. Thank you for the question.
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Well, look, we set up Prime Infra in 2017.
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It's seven years old.
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I had the good fortune of being employee number one of Prime Infra.
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And I think the marching order is very simple.
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We want to be an infrastructure player that addresses really critical needs in the market.
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Critical needs mean essentially infrastructure that serves a fundamental element of society.
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So, power, waste management, water.
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And we want to do that in a, we use the term, socially relevant fashion.
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What does that mean?
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It's that we want to do this in a way that responds to the needs of the population.
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That, of course, is an intrinsic part of the business model.
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It ensures that we have resilience in the business model and long-term continuity.
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So, those are the marching orders.
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So, it's not just a nice-to-have arm.
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It's a need-to-have.
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You guys are a need-to-have.
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You're sort of like the arm that's looking at the future to make sure we have a sustainable planet that can sustain the population.
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The business is built around that entire concept, right?
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And so, managing these three pillars, energy, water, and waste management,
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addresses the aspect of sustainability as well as addressing, of course, the needs of the population.
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So, we do know that you guys have a controlling stake in Manila Water.
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And nearly half of the Malampay Gas Project.
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You recently exited the Terra Solar.
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And what sort of, how big of an investment is Prime Info making in this great big push for critical infrastructure?
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Well, so we're making significant investments.
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So, maybe I'll start with…
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Well, I think 17 is really an average.
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We're far above average.
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So, if we look at the type of investments we're making, look, let's start with Manampaya.
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Manampaya playing absolutely a critical role in ensuring avoiding volatility, stability of gas prices, energy security.
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We have just contracted the drilling vessel that will come in next year and drill three new wells, two development wells, one exploratory well.
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Pagong Pagasa will be the exploratory well.
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We'll be spending over $750 to $800 million over the next couple of years to try to extend the life of Manampaya as far as we can, right?
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A very critical asset, of course, for the nation.
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On the energy side, we're investing heavily in energy storage.
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Last week, actually, we were granted by the Bureau of Investment.
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The Green Lane, correct.
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And so, those are significant investments.
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We're talking about 1,400 megawatts of storage, pump storage.
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We'll be spending about $250 billion.
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Over $150 billion pesos for that.
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Over $140 billion pesos for another 600 megawatt pump storage.
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So, these are significant investments we're making across the business.
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Without touching into the water side, we invested over $25 billion pesos in our bulk water project that is completed.
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Well, completed, the main dam is completed as of the end of March.
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It'll be ready, fully completed by the first quarter next year.
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And I will service the east zone of Metro Manila, supplying over 700 million liters per year.
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And I will service the east zone of Metro Manila, supplying over 700 million liters per year.
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And I will service the east zone of Metro Manila, supplying over 700 million liters per year.
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And I will service the east zone of Metro Manila, supplying over 700 million liters per year.
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A major investment across the three sectors.
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And I haven't even touched on the waste management one.
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Well get to the waste management.
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It's pretty exciting.
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I wonder though, it's been seven years of critical infrastructure for Primeinfra.
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When do you expect these projects to start churning in profit contributing to…
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Excellent question.
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And so, the seven years are when the company was set up.
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As you can imagine, these things are very long in the making.
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long gestation period as you rightly pointed out so wawa which is our bulk water supply project
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again the main dam was completed at the end of march we actually will be starting what we call
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the controlled impounding filling up the reservoir in may we will be generating cash at the end of
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2025 which is when our off-take agreement starts so we are actually finishing that project 6 to 12
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months ahead of schedule we're very proud of that it's the first dam built in the country since 1967
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so um i think it's quite a milestone for the country in terms of water supply and and scale
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of the infrastructure malampaya the drilling program will start next year hopefully we'll have
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gas 2026 2027 as soon as we possibly can obviously then it will be generating cash at that point on
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the waste side we're already generating cash in cebu and we'll be building a new facility that
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will be inaugurated here in a couple weeks in pampanga to treat large-scale volume waste 3000
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so we're already fully operating and as you know we obviously have
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brownfield asset acquisitions like manila water that obviously already generate cash
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well let's go back to water you've got wawa you've got manila water
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everyone watching us is probably wondering are we supposed to be worried about water supply
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this summer well i don't think so okay that's very encouraging i don't think so look at manila
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water at least uh we're well prepared okay um el nino is of course was expected the severity of
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this flood so it's difficult to assess you know right now if i'm not mistaken i got down is
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somewhere around 194 elevation 180 is critical normal is about over 210. um already in april
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look things are going okay uh 50 cms is still being released from angat we're augmenting that
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with all the other water sources that we have and little water has done a tremendous job to
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build other water sources around laguna de bay and else so um as far as benita water is concerned no
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Across the nation, there will obviously be pockets of challenges given the extent of the drought.
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So from water, I want to go to waste. The waste to energy. This is pretty exciting.
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I was looking at the Commission and Audit Report.
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They said that in 2000, the Philippines actually unloaded or discarded about 9.1 million metric tons of solid waste.
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That shot up to about 16.6 million metric tons in 2020.
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And we're projected to unload 24.5 million metric tons of waste by 2045 as our populations grow and we continue to industrialize.
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And a lot of that waste can be turned into energy. Do we have the infrastructure?
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So, no. Today we do not. We do not. That's the answer.
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And you know, to be clear, Mimi, we are not into waste to energy.
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For that matter, we're advocates of not doing it.
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We're not doing waste to energy.
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The simple reason is that producing energy from waste is a very costly...
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And it produces more waste along the way.
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It produces more waste. It's a very costly energy that the population has to pay for.
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The countries that have done that very successfully typically are countries that have benefited from subsidies.
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So what are you guys doing about the waste?
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So what we're doing is, thanks for asking, we're actually collecting this waste, treating it, segregating it, recycling all that can be recycled.
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And so that's the first phase.
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Today in Cebu, we handle over 60.
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60% of the waste is fully automated.
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So we actually bundle the waste into little bags, if you wish.
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And these very large-scale industrial bundles are kept for further processing.
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Eventually, we will take the organics and transform that into either renewable natural gas or methanol.
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Methanol to be used actually to power ships.
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The idea really is to really industrialize the waste business in the country at high scale.
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And the purpose of that industrialization process...
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...is hopefully as we go through treating the waste, we will actually avoid putting any waste into what people call today landfills.
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That's why our facilities are material recovery facilities.
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Over the medium term, for every ton of waste that will come in, we expect no more than 10 to 20% to be discarded.
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Everything else will be transformed into, call it a value-added product, right?
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Whether it is fuel or metal recycling and so on and so forth.
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And would you say that the waste part is expected to play a role in the future?
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And would you say that the waste part is expected to play a role in the future?
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And would you say that the waste part is expected to play a bigger role?
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I mean, when you make a pie, a pie chart of your operations, how big is the waste part?
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Well, today it's small.
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Today, the two large really elements are water and actually gas.
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Our pump storages are not online yet.
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They will be online by 2029, 2030.
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So waste today is a small portion.
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Of course, by the time we start converting that waste into fuel, then we'll take on a bigger proportion.
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Everyone's wondering why the love affair with energy.
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SPNEC was so short-lived.
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They bought you out for $6 billion last year.
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What was the rationale?
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Are you done with solar power?
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We're just finishing now 128 megawatt solar farm that we're building.
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It's completed now.
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We own 100% of that.
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It's between province of Patangas and province of Cavite.
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So that's going well.
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We'll be connected in the next couple of weeks.
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The love affair with SPNEC.
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SPNEC is nothing to be debated.
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You know, we thought it was, we collectively with the shareholders, thought it was best that we parted ways
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and left the company in good hands to take the business forward.
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And that's what we've done.
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So we wish them great success.
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We really hope that project will come to life.
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What happens to your RE dreams then?
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So you're going to do it alone.
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So you've got a solar one.
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And then we have our pump storages.
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And then the pump storages.
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And of course, before we end, everyone is excited.
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IPO of Prime Infrastructure.
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You guys are the favorites.
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The darling IPO contestants or candidates for this year.
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There was Prime Infra.
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There's Mint and SM Primaries.
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All of you guys seem to be pushing back the date.
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What is the, is there a new timeline for this?
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Well, no, there's no new timeline.
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There's not even certainty of an IPO.
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You know, there are many different ways to raise capital.
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So we're evaluating all the available options.
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We live in a very...
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uncertain world, right?
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As you are announcing through these headlines, right?
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Look at what's happened to fuel prices with the Russian-Ukraine war.
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Look at what's happening now in Iran, between Iran and Israel.
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That combined with a very unpredictable rate market.
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It's very difficult to decide what the best path forward is to raise capital.
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So the public markets are not the only solution to that.
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We're evaluating all available options and we'll make the right decisions in due time.
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But where are you stand today?
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Do you think that an IPO is not likely anymore?
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At least in the next two years?
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Probably unlikely in the medium term, yes.
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In the medium term.
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More exciting news ahead from Prime Infrastructure.
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Cheers to the next seven years.
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And employee number one.
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How big is the workforce today?
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Well, across the entire portfolio, well over 3,000 employees.
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Please do visit us again if you have more exciting developments.
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Thank you for having me.
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A pleasure being here.
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Congratulations on seven years.
