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04:02.8
Diba? Katoning ba yung
04:13.6
It's now out in the open.
04:16.4
And I don't think this is just, uh...
04:20.3
hindi ito, ano lang eh,
04:21.8
spontaneous lang. I think pinag-isipan na mabuti
04:25.4
isa sa publiko yung mga
04:27.7
ganitong sentimento dahil
04:30.0
sigurado na, siguradong-sigurado
04:32.0
na may epekto ito dun sa
04:34.0
whatever is left of the
04:37.5
And at the same time, of course, nakikita din natin na hindi ito
04:42.6
essentially nagmi-mirror
04:43.9
nung sinasabi ni President
04:46.0
Marcos Jr. na andun pa rin
04:47.8
UNITEAM, essentially everything is fine
04:50.2
and dandy, na baliwala sa kanya
04:52.2
yung mga insulto at hominem
04:53.8
ng dating paulong president, dating paulong
04:56.1
Duterte. No, now you have the
04:58.0
first lady coming out and saying hindi siya
04:60.0
natutuwa sa nangyayari. And we already saw
05:01.9
uh... we had a glimpse of
05:04.0
that dun sa some of the pre-departure
05:06.2
events, uh... kung saan
05:08.3
medyo, alam mo na, di ba?
05:10.1
Hindi ganon ka, just to put it mildly,
05:12.0
hindi ganon ka-warm yung interaction between the
05:13.9
first lady and Sarah Duterte,
05:15.9
essentially the two most important women
05:19.5
political landscape and system is
05:21.9
concerned. So, let's
05:24.0
first look at anong sinabi ni
05:25.7
um... first lady mismo at
05:28.0
tapos pag-usapan natin yung
05:33.7
intervention. And then after that, pag-usapan
05:36.2
natin, ano yung, ano yung implication
05:37.8
ito pagdating sa ating politika
05:39.6
and some of the major, major
05:42.1
political earthquakes, uh...
05:44.1
that are more or less in the pipelines.
05:46.3
So, yun ang pag-iintindi ko.
05:47.8
Uh... perhaps before the end of the year.
05:49.8
So, ito guys, uh...
05:52.0
Ah, yeah, tama. Kahit katuning
05:53.9
pala ito. Okay, in-interview din tayo
05:55.8
natin ni katuning. Um...
05:58.7
So, it's interesting that
05:60.0
the first lady, uh...
06:01.6
you know, of all people and journalists and all, uh...
06:04.0
chose to have, uh... interview
06:05.6
with, uh... well, of course, this is also
06:07.5
a broadcaster and journalist, but more in the
06:09.6
kind of a blogger, um...
06:11.6
setup. Uh... but alam naman natin
06:14.0
si katuning, uh... you know, has
06:15.4
very, very influential, uh...
06:17.8
interviews, including with billionaires and all.
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So, siguro, he developed this very
06:21.5
strong rapport, no? And that's why the
06:23.6
first lady feels very comfortable
06:25.0
having this kind of conversation. Very, very,
06:27.8
um... contentious, I would say.
06:30.0
Uh... sets of quotes
06:31.8
and interventions coming out here. So, ito, ah...
06:34.3
Sa teaser pa lang ito, nung video,
06:43.3
sabi ni Lisa, the first lady,
06:45.6
she was, quote, always kind
06:47.5
dun sa Duterte family,
06:50.3
particularly Vice President
06:51.9
Duterte Carpio. Pero para
06:54.0
sa kanya, parang nag-cross the line
06:56.1
na yan. Medyo next level na yan.
06:58.5
Bat-shot na yan sa akin,
06:60.0
she's a bat-shot to me. I mean,
07:01.7
for me, nasaktan ako. I was hurt because
07:03.5
my husband will do everything to
07:05.6
protect you. Okay? Referring to
07:07.6
how President Marcos Jr.,
07:10.1
month after month,
07:12.0
year after year. Kaya sabi ko, may parang
07:13.9
marupok na ito, eh. Uh...
07:17.6
not only with the
07:19.3
Vice President, but in a way, stood with the
07:21.7
whole Duterte family. I mean, despite all the
07:23.6
attacks, no? Ad hominems,
07:26.2
very, very, um...
07:27.4
problematic, uh... and some would say even
07:30.6
statements and speeches by the former President,
07:33.8
his son, etc., all of them. The whole,
07:37.6
the whole basket of,
07:39.8
you know, alam mo na, sininom mo yan.
07:43.9
BBM, the only time na nakita natin
07:45.9
na talaga napikon siya and he said something was,
07:47.8
sabi niya, ayan, nasobra ng fentanyl.
07:49.9
But actually, if you look at it,
07:51.7
the fentanyl statement,
07:55.9
not also as insulting. Kasi parang
07:57.8
sinabi niya na, kawawa naman,
07:60.0
da na, pagbigyan natin. Parang gano'n din
08:01.9
yung implication nun, eh. So, I think
08:03.9
that's where the First Lady is coming from.
08:05.8
Pag sinasabi niya na,
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yung aking asawa,
08:10.1
si Pangulong Marcos Jr.,
08:11.8
has stood by you guys, especially Sarah Duterte.
08:14.0
And alam natin, kung kay Digong na nga,
08:16.3
after everything, he's called to
08:19.6
insurrectionary, uh...
08:23.6
his ad hominem attacks.
08:25.8
In spite of all of that, kung si BBM,
08:28.4
the most he could say in response,
08:31.1
pagbigyan niya na, matanda na yan, baka nasobraan ng fentanyl,
08:33.9
or something like that, dahil kailangan niya dun sa
08:35.8
kanyang sakit, or whatever.
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If that's the farthest you were supposed to go, I mean,
08:39.7
look at yung statements niya kay Sarah.
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Consistently dinidefend niya si Sarah.
08:43.8
Most recently, of course, dito sa konteksto
08:45.9
ng West Philippine Sea Disputes,
08:47.6
etong no comment, etong very
08:49.8
deafening silence ni Sarah Duterte.
08:52.6
Remember, this is a Sarah Duterte
08:54.1
who has a statement
08:55.8
on war in the Middle East,
08:57.5
who has a statement on,
08:60.0
on refugees being brought to the Philippines.
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This is someone who has
09:04.2
a statement about NTF-ELCAC,
09:06.6
statement about NPA,
09:08.0
communism, war on drugs,
09:10.1
halos lahat ng bagay, meron siyang statement,
09:11.9
meron siyang sinabi, di ba?
09:14.0
And then biglang dito, pagdating sa West
09:16.1
Philippine Sea, pinakamahalagang issue
09:17.7
para sa ating national security,
09:23.6
I mean, this is a matter of national interest, right?
09:26.7
Na malapit sa puso
09:29.3
wala siyang statement, no comment.
09:31.4
And tingnan mo yung ginawa ni Marcos Jr.
09:33.2
Instead of, you know,
09:35.4
essentially putting pressure on her or implying
09:37.5
that, hey, maybe someone has to
09:39.6
display more patriotism
09:43.0
Mandarin speaking skills,
09:46.9
Alam mo na, there were so many ways that
09:49.4
Marcos Jr. could have, you know,
09:51.5
served a tea or, you know,
09:53.5
throw some shade. But he didn't.
09:55.6
In fact, not only he didn't do that,
09:57.8
forget about directly criticizing,
09:59.3
criticizing that, he said that, no,
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by the virtue of her
10:03.0
presence in my cabinet,
10:05.8
the fact na nasa kabineta ko siya,
10:07.8
that means, sang-ayon siya
10:09.6
sa aking policy, or
10:11.2
huwag niyo nalang pansinin yung sinasabi niya
10:13.6
dahil, at the end of the day,
10:15.2
if she's staying in my cabinet, that means she's supporting
10:17.4
the key policies of my administration.
10:19.9
So, hayaan niyo nalang yung tatay niya,
10:21.8
hayaan niyo yung mga admin hominem attack,
10:23.4
matanda na yan, pagbigyan niya yan, nag-fentanil yan.
10:25.7
Essentially, ganun yung line ni Marcos Jr.
10:27.3
But, if President Marcos Jr. is willing,
10:29.3
to take it that way,
10:30.9
that is not the same case
10:32.9
dun sa kanyang asawa.
10:35.9
This is where things get
10:37.3
interesting, mga kamets,
10:45.0
nagtitrending ngayon si Lenny
10:49.4
and some people are calling for
10:51.4
Lenny Robredo to join
10:53.5
the Marcos Jr. cabinet as
10:57.0
a deputy secretary.
10:59.3
I don't know, this is probably
11:00.6
full joke, if not half joke.
11:02.6
The idea there is, palisin nyo na yung
11:04.7
Sarah to 39, lagay nyo lang si Lenny Robredo
11:07.1
dyan, baka may mas alampas
11:09.0
si Lenny Robredo pagdating sa edukasyon.
11:12.8
Connect the dots.
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I mean, compare natin yung performance
11:21.5
Ganun, dun sa mga performance
11:24.4
Imagine lahat ng mga insulto na sinabi nila kay Lenny.
11:26.7
I-compare natin ngayon yung performance ni Lenny,
11:29.3
ito na nakuha niya all around the world,
11:31.7
all the fellowships she's doing
11:33.1
with prestigious institutions and universities,
11:35.4
all of these top-level organizations
11:37.1
inviting her to give leadership talks,
11:43.0
UP School of Economics,
11:45.1
given na yan, abogado din siya.
11:46.6
I mean, when you look at all of those factors, diba?
11:49.7
So, kung ano nagsabi,
11:51.3
yan na lang, gawa tayo ng team of rivals
11:53.3
na hindi lang yung mga ibang
11:55.1
dilawan, alam na natin sino mga dilawan
11:57.2
na yan, diba? Na gusto mong pumasok sa kabinete niya.
11:59.3
Marcos, or medyo nandiyan na,
12:01.0
or yung mga nag-work kay Aquino na nandiyan na
12:02.9
sa kabinete ni Marcos, for instance,
12:05.2
hindi dilawan to, but, you know, people like, for instance,
12:07.5
Secretary Balisakan, who worked
12:09.1
as NEDA Secretary under Aquino,
12:11.1
is now also the NEDA Secretary under Marcos Jr.
12:13.7
The idea is that, push it to its
12:15.2
logical limit, have a team of rivals.
12:17.3
Interestingly, the first person who mentioned that was,
12:19.2
I think, Amy Marcos? I think si Amy Marcos
12:21.5
at some point, meron siya mga sinasabi na gano'n
12:23.2
na kailangan natin ng team of rivals. I don't know if
12:25.1
she had a clear idea about, you know,
12:27.2
what a team of rivals in the Philippine context would be,
12:29.3
kasi, obviously, nagre-refer siya doon sa
12:31.5
fantastic biography
12:37.6
right? Prison Lincoln, who had
12:39.1
very contentious, conflicting characters,
12:41.6
lahat niyo mga yan, nasa kabinete
12:43.6
niya back in the day. Now, it sometimes can
12:45.4
work, sometimes it cannot work, but
12:47.3
I mean, if you think of it,
12:49.2
si Digong also had a cabinet
12:50.8
that looked like a team of rivals, in the sense that
12:53.4
you had leftist people there,
12:55.5
at least three of them there,
12:59.2
God bless your soul, Gina Lopester, who was a
13:01.2
very progressive, you know,
13:03.4
environmental-minded person, and then you had
13:05.1
this businessman, semi-tropo
13:07.3
people, to be honest about it, and
13:09.3
then you had this military guys
13:11.2
who obviously hate the leftist guys, and
13:13.1
vice versa. So, it's not like,
13:15.2
you know, Digong didn't try it, and I'm not sure
13:17.1
it turned out very well in the end, right?
13:19.4
Alam natin what happened there. So, you know,
13:21.0
the whole idea of the best and brightest
13:23.2
and the young and best and brightest,
13:25.2
I'm not sure that's the eventual cabinet
13:27.1
that we saw throughout much of the Duterte
13:29.1
administration, and just look at the roster of
13:31.1
people who became his press secretaries
13:33.2
and spokesmans, that just tells you about
13:35.0
the quality of, you know, cabinet
13:37.2
that Duterte eventually was able
13:39.0
to hold together for six years.
13:42.0
Although there were some good people,
13:43.4
like I think Secretary Lorenzana definitely
13:44.9
was one of the stellar examples, and one
13:47.1
of our, without a question, one of the good
13:49.1
patriots, and strong
13:51.2
adults in the room, as far as
13:53.1
the Duterte cabinet was concerned. But going back to this,
13:55.5
nag-trending si Lenny
13:59.1
dinamay pa daw si Lenny dito sa
14:02.8
dun sa interview niya. So, sinabi niya,
14:05.9
di ba, tumakbo kayo together?
14:07.9
You run together, right?
14:09.1
Wait lang, siguradoin ko yan na
14:11.2
hindi ako Cynthia Villar magsalita.
14:14.2
Kapon, may talk tayo
14:15.2
dun sa AFP, puro tayong
14:16.5
nag-tuloy ako, boba pa tayo!
14:19.5
Bakit na nagkakain natin sa West
14:21.1
Philippines? Research, research tayo dyan.
14:23.0
Okay, ayosin natin. Okay.
14:24.8
You run together, right? Together we will rise
14:27.0
again, and then you will go to the rally,
14:29.1
calling your president, bangag, right?
14:31.4
You're going to laugh, is that right?
14:32.8
Even Lenny never did that, sabi niya.
14:35.7
I mean, I suggest
14:37.1
you guys, again, of course, this is in the spirit
14:39.1
of solidarity with my fellow
14:41.2
journalists and vloggers, si Katoning,
14:43.0
so just please go straight
14:45.0
dun sa Katoning vlog
14:48.4
trailer niya dito sa interview niya
14:51.2
and looking forward to see
14:52.7
what's gonna come out. So, ito sabi niya,
14:54.8
you're going to laugh, is that right?
14:56.8
O, ito, di ba? Tumawa daw si
14:58.9
Sarah, nung binabastos, yung
15:00.8
kanyang asawa, who happens to be, of course, our commander
15:02.9
in chief and the president, sabi niya, even Lenny
15:07.1
Even Lenny never did that.
15:08.8
So, parang she's saying, even yung pinakakalaban
15:12.8
ay hindi gumawa na yan.
15:16.4
essentially, sinasabi niya na mas
15:18.7
opposition pa kayo
15:20.0
sa totoong opposition, right?
15:22.7
That you have crossed the line that even
15:24.6
those who are super
15:26.9
opposed to the Marcoses. I mean, Lenny,
15:28.7
from 2016 all the way to 2022.
15:30.9
In fact, the very
15:31.9
rationale that she presented,
15:36.1
d'être, the reason for being that
15:38.6
she presented was to prevent Marcoses from
15:40.6
coming back to Malacanang and taking over
15:42.7
the Malacanang again, right? So, yun yung
15:44.7
level ng animosity
15:47.0
between Lenny Robredo
15:48.2
and the Marcoses, right? And, of course,
15:50.8
Lenny Robredo was not doing that because pinapersonal
15:52.9
niya yung issue na ito. Of course, that's how the
15:54.4
loyalist people want to put it. No, it's not a personal thing. It's about
15:58.7
horrible things that happened during the martial law period
16:02.0
corruption cases, all of the human rights
16:04.5
violation, etc. And
16:06.5
the complete lack of remorse or any kind of
16:08.4
recognition of all of those things,
16:10.6
right? So, yun yung
16:12.7
concern ni Lenny. But, let's not forget,
16:14.6
Lenny was feisty when she
16:16.5
was asked about Marcos. And it's not
16:18.5
like Lenny was, you know, holding punches.
16:20.9
Kung maalala nyo, particular dun sa
16:22.3
interview with Tito Boy Soto,
16:24.6
shoutout naman dyan kay Tito.
16:26.6
Ay! Tito Boy Soto!
16:28.7
Ito na naman tayo.
16:30.4
Tito Boy Abunda! Ayan na naman tayo eh.
16:33.0
Pasensya na guys. 11pm.
16:35.2
Nag-drive-drive pa tayo. Nagkamali
16:36.8
pa ako sa ticket. Ano-ano.
16:41.1
Shoutout kay Tito Boy
16:42.7
Abunda. Ayan. Shoutout kay Tito Boy
16:44.6
Abunda. Ito guys. Ito guys.
16:48.8
Remember yung interview niya with Lenny
16:52.6
towards the end, diba, tinatanong niya
16:54.2
yung mga bawat kandidato, anong
16:56.4
tingin nila dun sa mga ibang kandidato?
16:58.7
Tapos nakita nyo, diba,
17:00.4
ang bait ni Lenny kay
17:02.0
Pacquiao, very friendly,
17:04.4
ang bait ni, I mean, medyo
17:06.6
okay naman yung sinabi niya kay Isco,
17:09.3
and then respectful
17:10.5
kay Lacson, diba,
17:12.6
and then, hindi ko alam kung tinanong about
17:14.5
Cagliotti pa, diba, and then all of them
17:16.5
were asking, diba, parang may parang
17:19.0
fast talk ba yan? Fast talk.
17:21.1
Yung you throw a name and then you
17:22.6
say something, diba?
17:24.3
Parang Pacquiao, matapang, yung mga ganun.
17:26.6
Ginawa rin namin sa isang senator,
17:28.4
candidate nun, biglang pinadelete
17:30.5
niya ito or something. Anyway, never mind.
17:35.0
yung finastalk niya,
17:36.5
diba, anong sinabi ni Lenny
17:38.5
nung finastalk niya si
17:42.6
Tito Boy, Abunda,
17:44.2
hindi Tito Boy Soto.
17:45.8
Tito Boy Abunda, diba, nung tinanong niya,
17:51.6
Tinanong niya si Tito Boy Abunda.
17:54.3
Ayan, nandiyan na pala, na-post na ko.
17:58.4
Iyan na to, natural exhaustion niyan, kasi
18:00.4
masipag tayo, ilokano tayo.
18:02.8
Ito, ito, ito, ito, ito, ito.
18:03.9
Naalala niya yung interview niya, tapos tinanong siya,
18:06.0
natingin mo kay Marcos.
18:07.9
Parang one word lang, parang sinabi niya,
18:10.5
sinungaling or something like that.
18:12.4
Naalala niya yan.
18:13.8
Anyway, I mean, just to go back to this,
18:16.1
so, as far as Lenny Robredo is concerned,
18:18.4
she didn't hold back when she was asked about
18:20.6
Marcos Jr. back in the day.
18:22.4
I'm just telling you guys
18:24.3
about this because, just in case
18:26.4
you missed it, Marcos is now,
18:28.4
100 most influential people in the world
18:30.6
according to Time Magazine.
18:32.9
Alright? Like, obviously,
18:34.2
you can say, like, whatever.
18:37.1
Iyan, you know, Time Magazine
18:38.5
is not the same magazine it used to be.
18:40.2
We can have a long conversation about that.
18:46.7
this is exactly what I've been saying.
18:48.7
Di ba? Actually, just a month or two
18:50.5
after nanalo si BBM, sabi ko,
18:52.0
nako, ang pansin ko is, parang,
18:54.2
ang treatment sa kanya is parang siya yung breath of fresh air.
18:58.4
ano, parang, savior na.
19:00.5
Ngayon, ako, nagfa-fun sa kanya
19:02.2
yung mga, from Europe
19:03.9
to US. Nakita mo, parang, ah, BBM
19:06.3
o Marcos Jr. is ding fantastic thing
19:08.2
for our alliance. Tapos,
19:10.3
the way they talk about Marcos is as if
19:11.9
siya yung savior of Asia.
19:14.6
Siya yung bastion of democracy.
19:16.4
Yung mga ganyan-ganan.
19:18.4
Sige na nga, for the sake of it, basahin
19:20.1
nga natin itong explanation ng Time Magazine.
19:23.3
I'm just trying to
19:24.3
come back to this, guys, because
19:28.4
what a crazy world, right?
19:29.9
Could you, I mean, would you have
19:32.2
imagined, two, three years ago,
19:34.6
na maging ganyan na yung first lady
19:36.3
openly, sabihin niya, bat-shot siya
19:38.3
kay Sarah Duterte, di ba?
19:40.6
Yung kay Digong na nagwawala
19:42.3
kay Marcos, parang medyo,
19:44.2
let's be honest, it's not the most shocking thing in the world.
19:46.6
Pero yung things reach this toxic
19:48.3
level na ganyan na mga reaction.
19:50.6
Now, it's also an era,
19:52.5
I mean, these two years were also the time
19:54.2
that you have this complete transformation of
19:56.1
the global narrative around Bongbong Marcos.
19:58.4
So, ito yung sinabi ng Time Magazine, ha?
20:00.6
Ferdinand Bongbong Marcos.
20:02.9
For Ferdinand Marcos,
20:04.2
sorry, for Ferdinand Bongbong Marcos to make
20:06.3
history, he first needed to rewrite his
20:08.2
nations. His dictator father
20:10.3
plundered billions of dollars from state coffers
20:12.5
and stood accused of grievous human rights
20:14.0
violation until his ouster in
20:16.0
1986. Bongbong's rise to
20:18.0
Philippine presidency in 2022 was owed to
20:20.2
whitewashing his family's legacy through
20:22.2
clever manipulation of social
20:24.1
media. Ay, in fairness,
20:26.1
magtino yata. Ayan, nabuking,
20:28.4
nako na hindi ko binasa yung explanation
20:30.2
sa baba. Sorry, guys. In fairness
20:32.4
naman, medyo punchy pala.
20:34.4
Yet, ayan, ayan, ayan,
20:36.5
ayan, ayan. In fairness, ha,
20:38.2
medyo fair yung sinabi. Yet,
20:40.7
Bongbong's desire to rehabilitate
20:42.5
the Marcos name has resulted in
20:44.2
other shifts. He brought technocrats
20:46.4
back into government.
20:48.3
Ah, I have a problem with that claim
20:50.3
because we also had technocrats during Digong's time.
20:54.2
post-pandemic economy.
20:55.8
Ah, I would say that was more of a natural
20:58.2
recovery after the huge, huge
20:59.9
slump during Digong. And elevated
21:02.2
the Philippines on the world stage.
21:04.9
Like, yeah, in a sense
21:06.3
that, you know, he didn't do the crazy things that
21:07.9
Digong was doing at hindi tayo napahiya.
21:10.0
Alright? Sige na nga.
21:12.1
Sige na nga. So, I think the first
21:14.0
part is very punchy.
21:16.3
The second part is a little bit too nice.
21:18.3
I mean, you're giving the guy too much
21:20.1
credit, right? Bongbong has stood
21:21.8
steadfast. Eh, ayan na.
21:23.9
Ito, guys, ito yung sinasabi ko, eh.
21:26.3
Interesting. There's only, there are only
21:27.9
three paragraphs here. The first paragraph is
21:29.7
punchy. Second paragraph
21:34.0
is a little bit too nice.
21:35.5
Third paragraph is exactly
21:37.7
what I was saying. It's like,
21:39.7
they're like gushing over the guy. I mean,
21:41.7
look at it. Bongbong
21:43.6
has stood steadfast against
21:45.8
Chinese aggression in the disputed
21:47.6
South China Sea and bolstered
21:49.8
his nation's alliance with the United States
21:51.9
in face of rising tensions
21:53.8
in our region and the world, as he said
21:55.8
last May. Many problems
21:57.8
persist in the front. Many problems
21:59.9
persist, including extrajudicial killings
22:01.7
and journal-threatening killings, but
22:03.0
by trying to repair his family name, Bongbong
22:05.7
may reshape his country, too.
22:09.6
It's not as bad as I thought, to be honest.
22:12.2
But nevertheless, alam nyo na naman
22:15.3
By the way, just to be clear, may managpost
22:17.8
na bakit si Digong rin. Si Digong was in the
22:19.8
Forbes list of most powerful people.
22:22.2
I think he's the only Filipino president
22:23.6
and only Filipino period
22:25.6
has ended in the Forbes list of top 100.
22:27.8
I'm not sure kung andun yung list na yun
22:33.2
do not forget, guys, na si
22:39.8
in the 100 most influential
22:41.6
of Time magazine before. So, just
22:43.8
to put things into context, right?
22:45.6
And as far as world leaders are concerned, there are also some
22:47.8
quite controversial, sorry dun sa
22:49.8
kaibigan ko nag-work sa office niya,
22:52.0
andun din yung some controversial people,
22:53.7
including the current
22:55.8
Prime Minister of Italy,
22:57.8
who comes from the, essentially
22:59.8
the successor to the fascist party
23:01.9
of Mussolini, right? So,
23:04.0
it's not a list of saints,
23:06.0
right? And saviors. It's a
23:07.9
list of also some controversial politicians there.
23:10.3
Again, in fairness, when I read it,
23:12.7
it's a kind of an all over
23:13.9
the place kind of a three paragraphs,
23:18.0
baka binasa din nila yung masinisabi natin.
23:20.1
But essentially, ang sinisabi
23:23.9
magazine is, he's very influential
23:25.9
because in his attempt to rehabilitate his
23:27.8
family, ended up doing some good things, which
23:29.7
made the Philippines important,
23:31.7
and a big contributor to
23:33.5
the fight against, I don't know,
23:36.9
hegemony and Chinese bullying
23:39.7
or something like that, right? So, parang ganun yung basa natin.
23:41.9
Anyway, remember,
23:43.6
Lenny Robredo, this is how she described
23:49.7
right? She didn't
23:51.8
hold punches, right? So, it's not
23:54.5
the First Lady is saying,
23:57.8
Lenny, hindi niya sinabi niya.
23:59.6
Hindi dahil mabait si Lenny
24:01.9
per se. I mean, mabait naman talaga si
24:03.6
Ma'am Lenny. I mean, given na yan. But let's be honest,
24:05.9
when it came to the election
24:07.5
period, there were times na Lenny
24:09.9
was very punchy. Although, of course,
24:12.0
just to be clear, and
24:13.6
I'm an honest guy, I always
24:15.6
felt that, you know, sometimes
24:17.7
sana medyo ginawa na mas maga to.
24:19.9
Sana medyo feisty pa. Sana nung maga
24:21.9
pa lang, una pa lang, called na
24:23.7
for a debate. So, I'm not taking back a lot of things
24:25.7
I said back in the day. I think time has just
24:27.7
proven that I was right. But nevertheless,
24:31.9
on multiple, you know,
24:34.2
occasions was very strong.
24:40.1
ito yung quote na maganda kay
24:43.8
Oo. No redemption, a liar
24:45.8
till the very end. Alright?
24:48.7
sinabi niya. Alright?
24:53.6
the Vice President
24:54.5
was very influential. Alright?
24:57.7
Sabi niya, sorry, very, very
25:00.0
honest about her feelings. Sabi niya,
25:02.1
magtiwala lang, magtiwala lang kasi hindi lang
25:04.2
naman ako nagsisipag. Sila din.
25:06.6
Hindi lang naman ako ang gumagawa
25:08.3
sa lahat. Pero sila din. So, essentially, she's talking about the
25:10.2
pink movement here. Gagawin
25:12.3
namin lahat, leaving no stones unturned.
25:14.1
Hindi natin gagawin yung mga masasamang ginagawa
25:16.3
ng iba. Yung naman, yung pinakamahalaga.
25:18.8
Diyos na ang bahala
25:19.9
pagkatapos. Alright? But she was
25:22.2
absolutely clear na pagdating
25:27.7
she had no respect for the guy.
25:32.8
I'm trying to find
25:33.9
the exact part of the quote.
25:37.8
Oh, na. He has no redemption.
25:40.1
He lies till the very end.
25:46.1
Yung ba dito is unrelated.
25:48.0
Sorry. But anyway,
25:49.2
I also suggest you guys go and check
25:52.3
check also yung ano.
25:57.7
Yung interview niya with
26:03.5
Alright? Boy Abunda. Sige.
26:05.8
Tito Boy. Ayan. Tito Boy.
26:07.5
Panoodin niyan. Kasi matapang
26:10.3
din talaga siya doon.
26:11.6
This is actually a quote from another occasion
26:13.9
during the period of campaign.
26:18.2
sinabi ni Len Robredo na
26:19.5
I defeated him at the Supreme Court many times
26:21.7
and the decision was unanimous. 15-0.
26:24.3
But he really has no redemption.
26:25.9
Once a liar, always a liar.
26:27.7
And of course, she was referring to the
26:29.6
Marcos camp, questioning the mandate
26:31.9
of the Vice President,
26:35.8
yung kanilang consistent. Tatlong beses
26:37.9
sila natalo sa Supreme Court, diba?
26:46.0
when the First Lady
26:48.1
comes out, Liza Renta saying is
26:49.7
Ano ka ba, Sara? You're doing things
26:51.9
that even Lenny would not do
26:57.6
very clear ideological opposition
26:59.7
and in many ways, yes,
27:01.6
very clear animosity.
27:03.0
Real animosity. I mean, you could see
27:04.7
Lenny really passionate when she was
27:07.4
criticizing Marcos, diba? I mean, calling them
27:09.4
liars till the end, right? So, that's
27:11.5
a big thing. Kaya,
27:12.8
dun sa mga iba nagsabi na Lenny
27:15.5
should be a depet-secretary or whatever.
27:17.7
Don't be ridiculous, alright?
27:19.7
Let's not stretch the unity
27:21.3
thing too much, alright? Let's be absolutely clear
27:24.9
going back to this,
27:27.6
what is the implication of all of these things?
27:32.8
Kung tinignan niyo yung article ko
27:36.4
yung column ko is
27:37.4
essentially kind of a semi-spoof
27:44.8
semi-spoof, but quite serious also
27:48.3
take dun sa sinabi ng ating
27:50.4
minamahal na ex-professor.
27:52.2
Remember, sabi ng ex-professor natin at some point,
27:54.9
dapat maging good
27:57.6
Si BBM, if he wants to be an effective
27:59.8
president, alright? And I
28:04.6
phrasing, and I felt that it's very, very useful.
28:08.0
So, ito po yung article na sinimulat natin dyan.
28:10.1
And I'll show it to you guys
28:11.9
bakit mahalaga yan, na in a way
28:13.7
perfectly nag-achive yung article ko
28:15.8
at saka yung nangyari ngayon when it comes to
28:17.4
Liza Renente coming out. I won't say
28:19.6
guns blazing, but you know, calling
28:21.7
a spade a spade. If not,
28:23.8
you know what I'm saying?
28:25.3
Getting the ball rolling.
28:27.6
Fires shot, you know?
28:29.6
Shots fired, diba? Shots fired eh.
28:32.2
Medyo next level ito eh.
28:34.3
Alright, ito ito. So, ito yung article natin.
28:36.0
Marcos Jr., a good
28:37.9
Machiavelli, yun yung tanong natin.
28:39.8
And of course, a good Machiavelli is a term I got from
28:43.6
semi-sarcastically from
28:45.5
a good former professor of mine, of course.
28:49.7
So, doon sa beginning ng article
28:52.0
mismo, sinasabi, I quote
28:53.6
Niccolo Machiavelli.
28:55.2
Niccolo Machiavelli.
28:58.7
And essentially, ang contention ko dito is
29:07.0
pagdating sa fox-like
29:09.1
politics, avoiding traps,
29:11.8
navigating dangers,
29:13.5
risk assessment, building
29:15.2
strong alliances, out-maneuvering
29:17.6
your rivals, lahat na mga yan,
29:19.9
in fairness, magaling
29:21.3
mga Marcoses, especially Marcos Jr.
29:23.0
If you watch the movie
29:26.7
King's Maker, yung about the
29:29.0
Marcoses and their return, essentially
29:30.5
correctly predicting na it was just a matter of time
29:33.0
before the Marcoses
29:34.9
win back the Malacanang.
29:38.1
I mean, this is it.
29:39.0
My argument was very simple. Sabi ko,
29:41.1
since their surreptitious return to the Philippines
29:43.2
following a few years of luxurious exile
29:45.1
in Hawaii, very luxurious,
29:47.1
yung iba nagsasabi, parang kawawa sila sa Hawaii.
29:49.2
They had a good time. They brought a lot of
29:51.1
money across, right? And they came back
29:53.3
almost intact, if not better.
29:55.2
And it was BBM who
29:57.1
actually experimentally just flew into the
29:59.3
Philippines. Next thing you know, wow, life is
30:01.3
good. Wala pala. Impunity. Let's go.
30:04.1
So the Marcoses pulled off one
30:05.3
of the most successful, what you can call, counter-revolutions
30:07.6
in contemporary Philippine history.
30:09.9
In fact, contemporary history, period,
30:11.4
I would say. And this is
30:13.2
the important thing, mga kameta. Well before
30:15.1
TikTok and social media transformed our politics,
30:17.9
well before there was Rappler
30:19.2
and all of this argument about disinformation,
30:21.5
actually, the Marcos dynasty had already
30:23.3
managed to steadily regain its foothold,
30:25.2
in national politics, with almost
30:27.3
minimum resistance. What is
30:29.3
the best evidence of that? In 2010,
30:32.7
becomes the senator of the Republic of the Philippines
30:35.6
quite comfortably.
30:37.5
This is the same year, notably,
30:39.4
that Benigno Aquino III
30:40.9
cruised to power based on a good
30:43.1
governance platform. So
30:45.0
in the very year that Pinoy became
30:47.2
the president based on a good governance platform,
30:49.9
Pombo Marcos, Fernando Marcos Jr.
30:51.3
also became senator of the Republic very,
30:53.7
very easily, almost easily.
30:55.2
Right? Almost effortlessly.
30:59.1
that the rehabilitation was already
31:00.9
complete at the national level.
31:03.1
Not rehabilitation in the moral sense,
31:05.2
but rehabilitation in the political sense.
31:06.8
That vast majority of Filipinos didn't find any problem
31:09.0
with the Marcoses. So just as they
31:11.0
supported an Aquino to rid
31:13.0
the country of corruption from the
31:15.0
Arroyo era, a Marcos becomes
31:17.0
the senator of the Republic quite easily.
31:19.6
And in fact, if you look at the dynamics
31:24.7
a number of other people, they were quite
31:26.6
civil, if not cordial.
31:29.1
Right? Now, albeit narrow
31:30.7
losing the vice presidential race in 2016,
31:33.1
I mean, give it to the guy. He lost
31:34.9
the VP race. He became almost
31:36.9
irrelevant. Natala sila ng three times.
31:39.1
But still, they came back. And they came back
31:40.9
really strong. Right?
31:42.9
So they were able to,
31:45.6
let's be honest, to exploit
31:46.8
divisions within the House
31:48.8
of Duterte. Digong wants Bongo
31:50.7
to run. Sara wants to run for the president.
31:52.9
Sara all. Sara all. Hindi agree.
31:54.7
Tatay, ang gulo nila sa bog. Boom.
31:57.0
Marcoses come in. Romaldes,
31:58.9
Arroyo, negotiate. Unitim happens.
32:01.3
And of course, I think the binding
32:02.7
factor there was to say, dapat magsama
32:05.0
tayo. Otherwise, manalit ang mga pink, mga ganun.
32:06.9
Lagot tayong lahat. Alright?
32:08.7
So, they teamed up eventually.
32:10.8
It was an alliance of convenience.
32:13.1
And then look at from there, diba?
32:15.1
Marcos Jr. never wasted a single
32:16.8
second to fully rehabilitate his family
32:19.0
at the international level.
32:20.9
Which is exactly what Time Magazine said. So in fairness
32:23.0
to them, sorry, hindi ko na basa.
32:24.7
Completely in part na yan.
32:26.3
So, which is what I've been arguing.
32:29.3
Right? So President Marcos
32:30.6
embarked on a global publicity campaign
32:32.6
to ostensibly introduce the Philippines,
32:34.5
but also rehabilitate his family's
32:36.6
reputation in the West, which seems to be
32:38.7
quite successful. From Washington to
32:40.5
Tokyo and Berlin, I've repeatedly stumbled upon
32:42.6
Western policymakers almost fawning
32:44.4
over Marcos, who in an incredible
32:46.5
turn of events is suddenly seen as a democratic leader
32:48.7
of a frontline state in Asia.
32:51.0
Clearly, the reference point was Rodrigo
32:52.6
Duterte, who had set the bar so low,
32:54.7
that after six years of his disastrous foreign policy,
32:57.2
I would say any sane leader would
32:58.8
say, would come off as almost
33:00.7
good in the eyes of the West, right?
33:02.8
Now, as an icing on the cake, meron din maraming
33:04.9
mga oposisyon, quote-unquote, dilawan,
33:07.1
na eventually either join his administration
33:08.8
or became supportive of him
33:10.4
behind the scenes, or a lot of them actually quite
33:12.7
vocally. In many ways, Marcos
33:14.6
embodied the Machiavellian virtues of
33:16.5
Fox-like politics like no other Filipino
33:21.3
But that's not the end of the story.
33:23.4
Fox-like politics,
33:24.7
gets you so far, unless you're surrounded
33:26.9
by the Dutertes, right?
33:28.8
This is the problem. If you're only
33:30.8
going to be Fox-like, that will help
33:32.8
you to outmaneuver the dilawan, the
33:34.6
oposisyon, whatever, right?
33:38.5
But it's not going to work with the Dutertes.
33:40.8
Having enjoyed impunity throughout
33:42.7
decades in Davao politics and relishing
33:44.6
despotic privileges during six years of the
33:46.7
Patriarch's presidency, the House of Duterte
33:48.9
naturally felt entitled to power.
33:51.2
In fact, the Dutertes could never
33:52.8
fathom a junior partner
33:54.7
position under Marcos Jr.
33:56.6
I mean, just look at how Duterte
33:57.9
described Marcos Jr.
34:00.7
Not etong latest. During
34:02.7
election period, saan na weak leader?
34:04.9
And yung mga pulvoronic accusations, he was
34:06.8
already making it during election period,
34:08.7
just as his daughter was teaming up with
34:10.7
Marcos. So, zero respect.
34:12.8
No respect whatsoever. And I think the other
34:14.8
people were saying, ah, let's just be
34:16.8
nice to the guy once he's the president, we can control him,
34:18.8
manipulate him. After all, Duterte saw the
34:20.8
namesake son of our former strongman,
34:22.8
kasi hindi na pwede daw dictator.
34:24.7
It's not nice, eh. Kaya strongman na lang.
34:26.8
As nothing but a prodigal son and weak leader
34:28.7
if not worse. So,
34:31.1
they were expecting to be the real power,
34:33.2
not the junior partner, once
34:35.0
they're in power. The Dutertes, however, have
34:36.9
two major weaknesses.
34:38.8
On one hand, they could potentially face prosecution
34:41.0
for alleged crimes against humanity under
34:42.8
the aegis of ICC. This is not
34:44.8
only the father, potentially also the daughter,
34:46.7
because of her role as the mayor of Davao
34:48.5
and some of the alleged drug war
34:50.8
operations that went wrong during her time.
34:53.0
But the notorious dynasties also
34:54.5
vulnerable on another front, namely
34:56.3
yung kanilang engagement with China.
34:58.8
I would call it political and strategic
35:00.6
intercourse with China.
35:03.2
And, no less than
35:04.8
Marcos said that he was horrified by the
35:06.7
idea that his predecessor may have
35:08.5
compromised through a secret agreement
35:10.3
the territory and sovereign rights of the Philippines.
35:13.3
Hindi niya sinabi na traidor,
35:14.7
but parang may sinabi siyang
35:15.9
hindi maganda, right? Yun yung implication na sinabi
35:18.6
BBM. And yet, and yet,
35:21.5
this is where BBM
35:22.5
is still a fox. It didn't
35:24.3
take long, however, before Marcos
35:26.3
in the same speech, reverted
35:28.5
to his fox-like politics by
35:30.3
emphasizing unity, downplaying
35:32.5
the former president's personal attacks,
35:34.5
as well as essentially lawyering for his vice
35:36.4
president's conspicuous silence on the
35:38.4
West Philippine disputes. One could argue
35:40.6
that this was a classic case of
35:42.2
keep your friends close, but keep the
35:44.4
Dutertes even closer. Fantastic,
35:46.8
great, but for me, that's just
35:48.6
fox-like politics.
35:50.8
It's just one half of the story
35:52.5
of what Machiavelli had in mind.
35:54.3
If you want to be an effective leader in a kind of
35:56.3
medieval, aggressive,
35:58.4
Game of Thrones-like kind of politics.
36:00.6
But one also wonders whether
36:02.3
this was also a case of stubborn timidity.
36:05.1
Alright, so I'm not going to use the word
36:06.2
conflict avoidant because some people may think
36:08.4
that's the line that coined the word then, which, you know,
36:10.1
I could think of 10 sending names for that,
36:12.6
but I'll just use the term
36:13.9
stubborn timidity since he's yet
36:16.4
to go after the House of Duterte on two important
36:18.6
fronts, the ICC and the West
36:20.3
Philippine Sea. On both issues,
36:22.4
Marcos has largely prioritized his unity,
36:24.3
and according to him, tried to avoid direct
36:26.4
confrontation with the Dutertes.
36:28.2
Yet Machiavelli rightly said that a good
36:30.4
leader must be a fox to avoid
36:32.2
traps, but also a lion, less
36:34.4
circling wolves devour
36:38.3
Never was anything great achieved without
36:40.2
danger, Machiavelli counseled.
36:45.6
is the First Lady the Leona.
36:48.7
Maybe this is how it works.
36:50.6
Maybe he's the fox,
36:52.0
she's the lion. Maybe that's
36:54.3
Alright? So let's wait for more
36:56.3
updates on these things, but as I said again guys,
36:58.4
titikit ko lahat. I mean, you know, people
37:00.3
who are, who are not
37:02.2
into Socratic, dialogical kind of
37:04.4
intellectual culture, they sometimes think I'm
37:06.3
just talking all over the place, but even if it's
37:08.4
11.30, so almost midnight, at sobrang
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pagod na pagod ako, I told you I'm gonna
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connect everything together. So for
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me, this is the interesting thing.
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Maybe Marcos is the fox, maybe she's
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the Leona, maybe that combination
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will eventually do the trick for them
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as far as dealing with the circling
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wolves. No offense
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to the wolves. Thank you very much.
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God bless, guys, and talk to you soon.
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Salamat po. Thank you very much.
