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on the people who would be listening to him.
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So, we have to take that seriously.
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Now, as to whether it will rise to the level of sedition or rebellion or insurrection,
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then that's something perhaps we can talk about.
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So, bigyan natin ng emphasis lang sa sinabi niya,
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it will not really be a rebellion or insurrection, an act of insurrection or rebellion.
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That's only a statement of what he said.
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But if it is coupled with rising publicly and taking arms against the government
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or against the chief executive or the legislature,
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then that rises to the level of rebellion or insurrection
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as defined by Article 134 of the Revised Penal Code.
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If it is not coupled with rising publicly and taking arms against the government,
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then hindi pa rebellion yan, hindi pa insurrection.
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Perhaps, that would be falling under another article in the Revised Penal Code,
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Article 138, inciting to rebellion or insurrection.
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Incitement is that you urge the people to take arms,
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or to have open hostility against the government,
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without in any way taking arms or being in open hostility against the government.
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So walang aksyon, but ini-incite lang niya.
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Mabigat po yan, kasi lalo-lalo na, as I mentioned earlier,
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marami siyang mga taong sumusunod sa kanya, representante siya ng kanyang distrito,
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and therefore a lot of people would be listening to him,
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and apparently the people were really...
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actively listening to him,
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and therefore he would have a very strong influence on their future actions.
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Well, that's one of the exceptions to that.
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Hindi naman absolute ng freedom of expression.
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Laging sinasabi yan ng mga tao na nahahabla for sedition or insurrection or even rebellion.
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Kaya sinasabi lang, that's the freedom of speech.
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But there are some very fundamental exceptions to the freedom of speech and expression.
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One of them is sedition, insurrection, libel.
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which is still criminalized in our country,
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and other similar or analogous acts that are beyond the protection of the right of expression and freedom of speech.
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Hindi po cover dyan, and in fact, we have explicit provisions in the revised penal code penalizing those acts.
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Well, pwede niyang gawing defensa yan,
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and therefore we have to look at it from the comprehensive viewpoint of what exactly he meant, no?
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For example, if you relate that to his previous acts supporting secession of Mindanao from the country
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and other similar initiatives that he had been allegedly or reportedly a part of,
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then that would be a different picture altogether.
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So, pag hubog-hubogin po yan, Christian, pagkasamasamahin yan, at titignan yan, how to evaluate it.
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That's why even the PNP, the spokesperson said that,
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araw lang mabuti yan, but we're still studying it,
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whether it will be an act that would be constitutive of incitement of rebellion or insurrection,
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or actual rebellion or insurrection.
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Ang prison mayor is 6 years to 1 day to 12 years.
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And disqualification as an accessory penalty.
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It's a crime against public policy or public order.
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Ang chapter niyan.
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Sa revised penal code.
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And therefore, the enforcement agencies can also file that.
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Not necessarily anybody.
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DOJ, kagaya nga, pinag-aaralan daw ni Secretary Remulia ng kanyang opisina ito.
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At sila yung makakaroon ng pagpasiya kung anong gagawin nila rito sa sinabi ni Congressman Alvarez or Speaker,
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Congressman Alvarez.
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Isa pang dapat makita natin dito,
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sabi mo nga, siya yung abugado.
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all lawyers are supposed to be observing and enforcing the law of the land
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and respecting the duly authorized and constituted powers and authority.
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And therefore, as a lawyer, he should also be ethically obliged to comply with that obligation.
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As lawyers and officers of the court, kami ay dapat naninindigan para enforce ang constitution,
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the statutes of the land, at saka mga batas.
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Including all other executive orders and resolutions.
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sa amin, kami obligado,
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we are obliged now to enforce and to comply with all these constitutional provisions as well as the laws.
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So, pag hindi namin,
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if we did not comply with that obligation as officers of the court,
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then we would be answerable ethically.
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In fact, that's something perhaps,
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the integrated bar,
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the Philippines assuming they would want to file something,
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they can also institute a complaint for disbarment along that line
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on this particular incitement or alleged incitement to sedition and insurrection.
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The process is that they can even file directly to the Supreme Court
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and if the Supreme Court finds prima facie case along that line,
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then it might resolve the complaint for disbarment or it can refer the matter to the IDP
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to the Commission on Discipline for the IDP to investigate.
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So, ayaw ang mga proseso.
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So, if the IDP finds
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the person complained of,
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then the IDP will make a recommendation which would be approved by the Board of Governors.
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And at the same time,
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pag merong question or issue,
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it can all be elevated to the Supreme Court proper.
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Motopropyo pwede at nakita nila na talagang,
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nakakasira sa image ng mga abogado yan,
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and therefore they can motopropyo file the complaint.
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In fact, that is their duty to clean up the ranks,
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that statement is really a matter of insurrection or sedition.
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Dalawang bagay yan ang titignan natin,
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unang-una I think there is a threat now or even a plan to refer the matter to the House of Representatives,
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I think there is a threat now or even a plan to refer the matter to the House of Representatives,
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I think there is a threat now or even a plan to refer the matter to the House of Representatives,
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or the House of Ethics Committee.
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So internally, they can investigate the alleged utterances of Congressman Alvarez,
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who is still a congressman of good standing right now.
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And another aspect would be meron tayong Article 137,
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if I'm not mistaken,
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disloyalty of public officers or employees to perform their legislative functions.
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So pwede rin natin sabihin na si yung taong nagsasabihin,
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So pwede rin natin sabihin na si yung taong nagsasabihin,
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ay pwede din ma-expose dito sa habla under Article 137.
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So maraming paraan para papanagutin.
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So maraming paraan para papanagutin.
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Maraming paraan yan.
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Kung tututukan mo po yan, marami tayong mga batas na pwede natin dyan,
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assuming again that that is something that can rise to the level of what had been alleged.
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Patagal po naming iniisip yan,
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at a bag full of acts that pwede natin sabihin,
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at pwede nyo mga utterances na pagmumura,
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at pwede nyo mga utterances na pagmumura,
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the very strongly worded colorful languages and directives,
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matagal po naming sinasabi yan,
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nagsakop po yan ng bagong code of professional responsibility and accountability ng mga abogado.
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Since wala na siyang immunity, pwede na siyang iablan na rin ethically.
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So tingnan natin, medyo na hindi yata maganda mga sinasabi niya noon or even now,
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then perhaps we can address that right now.
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Now ang question dito Christian, who would have the courage to do that?
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Who would have the kind of disposition to do that?
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And sad to say, kasama na siguro ako doon,
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marami yung nag-hesitate to do that because alam mo na,
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meron namang nangyayari sa tao at baka naman sila ma-expose sa danger at saka may practice din naman sila,
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syempre hindi nila haharapin yan.
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Kaya isipin natin mabuti, kung pa wala nang pasin natin yan na Christian,
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then walang mangyayari sa atin.
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We are talking about the rule of law.
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We are talking about violation of specific provisions of the revised penal code,
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which are the provisions that are still in place.
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And effective right now.
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Now if you're not going to enforce these provisions which are criminal in nature,
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eh nasa sa atin na po yan.
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Ngayon kung hindi mag-aaksyon ang mga kanyang kasamaan sa House of Representatives or sa Senate,
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then nasa sa kanila na po yan.
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Pero meron naman tayong armas, tayong mga citizens.
11:14.0
Pwede naman tayong mag-initiate ng mga aksyon na ating tinag-usapan ngayon.
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Maraming provisions sa CPRA,
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sa aming Code of Ethics,
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eh talagang maraming na kaming pwedeng gamitin doon para paharapin natin ng dating Pangulo.
11:31.0
Again, balik ako doon sa sinabi ko.
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Sino bang hindi duwag para gawin yun?
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So ang dapat natin pag-isipan is we're talking about the rule of law
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and whether a certain person is above the law.
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May mga batase na umiiral.
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At hindi natin ginagamit at hindi natin i-enforce.
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Kaya siguro ganito ang ating bansa.
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Napakaraming nangyayari dito na ang tao ay tumitingin na lang sa ibang direksyon at hindi sila gumagalaw.
12:04.0
Kasi takot sila o sinasabi nila eh huwag na.
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Kasi wala namang mangyayari yan eh sa prosecutorial, sa judicial system.
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So wala silang magawa.
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At sila na lang yung nakatunganga para makita nila.
12:17.0
And that is the problem with our system.
12:20.0
The judicial and the prosecutorial system that we have.
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Kagaya nga, huwag na tayong lumayo.
12:25.0
Eh si Trump nga nandiyon.
12:27.0
Meron siyang nahabla siya ng rape ng isang porn star.
12:35.0
Eh bakit nakarating yun sa kanilang justice system, sa kanilang courts?
12:41.0
Ba't hindi mangyayari sa atin yan dito?
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Meron nagnanakaw.
12:45.0
Alam natin, corrupt na yung tao ngayon.
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Hindi nagbabayad ng huwes, ng taxes.
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Matagal na matagal na.
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Dapat execute na natin yun.
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Matagal na matagal na yun.
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Mga 20 years nang hindi na-execute.
12:56.0
Eh bakit hindi natin na-execute?
12:58.0
Kasi dapat binabayaran ng taxes ng bayan eh.
13:01.0
Ito ba yung estate tax na mga Marcos na hindi na binabayaran?
13:04.0
Naghihirap na yung bayan eh.
13:06.0
Tumataas na tumataas ang gasolina raw-araw.
13:08.0
Eh hanggang ngayon eh dapat makakatulong yun.
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Eh bakit hindi natin bayaran yun?
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Kahit konti naman lamang para si Juan de la Cruz ay makakumain naman.
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At magkaroon sa hapag na kainan.
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Ba't hindi natin ginagawa yun?
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Okay? Takot tayo.
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Takot tayong mga Pilipino.
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Kaya dapat hamunin natin ang sarili natin para tayo mag-question.
13:33.0
Eh ang burut-dulo nitong nangyayarang ito eh.
13:37.0
Political dynasties, di ba?
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Kaya naghabla kami sa petition ng Mandamos.
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Pero ibang usapan na naman yan.
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But right now what we are talking about would be the rule of law, Christian.
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Anybody should not be...
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Let us enforce the law.
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Kahit na masakit man naman sa tao nating naakusa.
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Ba't ba yung batas nandyan?
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Ba't hindi natin gamitin yan?
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Para i-hold accountable ang mga taong corrupt.
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Mga taong nag-committed some crimes.
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Kagaya yung pinag-usapan natin dito.
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Hindi dapat may mag-initiate yan.
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Sino mag-initiate?
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Ang ating inaasahan ngayon would be our representatives probably.
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The sovereign people's choice.
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Anong nangyayari?
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Walang nangyayari.
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At kung ano-anong ating inaatupad.
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At lihis sa ating kapakanan as a tao, as a law, as a state.
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Hindi natin tinututukan ang dapat nating gawin.
14:39.0
Maraming nag-analyze sa ating kultura, sa ating educational system.
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In fact, one author.
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One author concluded that we are a damaged culture.
14:53.0
Hindi natin tinitingnan kung anong dapat ng tama.
14:56.0
Yung mga corruption sa iba.
14:59.0
Kagaya nito narinig natin sa Vietnam.
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May involved dito sa widespread scam.
15:05.0
Anong kanilang hinatol?
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Siguro dapat si Presidente Marcos ngayon.
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Gayahin niya yung kanyang ama.
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At kung may makita siyang drug.
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Drug seller or drug dealer.
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Eh pabaril niya sa luneta.
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And that is a way of showing to the people that he means business.
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Hindi puro mga palliatives.
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Hindi puro lip service.
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I think we have to keep the faith naman na Christian.
15:39.0
Huwag naman tayo mawawalang bahala at pag-asa.
15:42.0
Itingnan natin. Bata ka pa naman na Christian.
15:46.0
So siguro makikita mo ang liwanag na ang action ng ating mga maestrado at mga liderato ay iba naman.
15:56.0
Siguro nasa educational system na rin yan.
15:59.0
Although unfortunately yung educational system natin ay hawak ng isang tao na hindi rin naman impeccable ang kanyang
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and beyond reproach ang kanyang integrity and its way of governance.
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Pero ako naniniwala ako Christian.
16:15.0
Meron pa rin pag-asa.
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Otherwise wala na.
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Wala na tayong mangyayari sa atin.
16:21.0
Kaya nga nag-petition for rumandamos kami ng political dynasties.
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Kasi yan ang root actually ng ating edel.
16:29.0
We are hoping that soon enough we will get an order.
16:33.0
Hopefully giving due course or kung ano man eh pinapakomment nila ang siguro Office of the Solicitor General.
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At kami naman ay magre-reply doon.
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O pwede rin magtawag sila ng argument.
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So we are still hoping that the Supreme Court will act on our petition for mandamos.
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That will give us another opportunity to file another pleading which I cannot disclose right now.
17:01.0
And perhaps we can actuate the Honorable Supreme Court to act on our petition.
17:09.0
Ginawa po yun kay Pengson at saka kay Gingona Cases.
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As I mentioned earlier sa ating interview Christian, we have a different approach to it.
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And hopefully the Honorable Supreme Court can listen to us and evaluate it further.
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At labanan ang fake news at kasinungalingan.
