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No worries, no worries. Ako rin kanina. Enjoy ko sa aking class.
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Oo. Alam mo naman. Ikaw whole day ka rin online, di ba?
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Yeah, I had a whole day class today.
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Ayan na naman ako. Nakamali. Okay, let me press this again.
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Okay, ito na, ito na, ito na. Okay.
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No, because I'm turning on.
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Three other na sabay-sabay. Kaya nagpa-press. Okay, ito na. Okay.
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Alright, this is it. Welcome everyone back to our podcast discussion.
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Of course, ang dami natin na pag-usapan as we discuss in our episodes kagabi.
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Episodes kasi nakalimang episodes kagabi with some of our friends.
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This is the week of Marites. There's so much Marites going on.
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Whether ito yung attack ng First Lady or reposte ni First Lady with Sarah Duterte.
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Whether this is about the whole House of Duterte.
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The House of Marcos drama.
01:31.7
But, speaking of Marites, the big geopolitical Marites right now is
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maraming mga, biglang dumami yung mga estudyante dyan sa kagayan.
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Na hindi natin alam kung talaga estudyante ba itong mga ito, turis sa ba itong mga ito.
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But of course, in the spirit of kindness and fairness, let's just examine this issue.
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Is this a Marites na supposedly daw may dagsaan ng potential spies?
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Or this is just being racist and prejudicial?
01:57.2
Or maybe there's a healthy way of approaching this?
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Without being prejudicial.
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So, in order to discuss that, we have a very, very special guest.
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Ito pa yung isa sa mga former professors ko.
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I think he was lucky to have me as a student.
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Now, just kidding.
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Kasi yung iba parang ayaw nila pag-usapan ni si Sir Ranjit Rai.
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Parang, he was being diplomatic.
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Kasi alam ko medyo sabogawan si John din back in the day.
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Yung naka-tsinelas lang, late sa class, yung mga ganon.
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But I think I was a better version of myself when I was,
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when you were my professor.
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Thank you very much.
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So, we have with us Dr. Chester Cabaza.
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Thank you very much, Prof, for joining us.
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Thank you, Richard, for inviting me again in your show.
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Ako naman, laging nag-i-enjoy sa mga discussions na rin.
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Of course, Richard is one of my best students.
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Napaka-galing yan.
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Saka, alam nyo ba, tuwing nagre-report yan sa class,
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walang gusto magtanong naman sa class.
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Ayan na naman tayo.
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Maglaglagan na naman.
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Ang tawag sa kanya yan, halimaw.
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Well, I mean, just to be honest,
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I know may marami mo nagda-drop ng class pag alam nila ako yung,
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lalo nung undergrad ko.
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Actually, you found a nicer version of me.
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Pero, mamaya makita nyo yung mukha ng guest natin,
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batang-bata pa ito.
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So, yun yung awkward minsan, diba, kung batang-bata rin yung prof mo.
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Now, the reason I wanted to reach out to you is,
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not only to discuss the domestic politics, Marites, later on,
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because you're quite a well-rounded analyst also,
03:28.0
but last time we had a conversation, this is for my show on TV51 News,
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we discussed the situation of ETCA, the whole Mamba opposition sa Cagayan,
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and then now we're seeing all of these news na may mga developments sa Cagayan.
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So, Dr. Cabalza, can you give us an overview of how things have changed from last year?
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What's the drama in Cagayan?
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What's the state of affairs?
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Because you're from Cagayan.
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You work up South, right?
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The other part of Solid North that we don't know much about.
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So, purong Ilocos Norte kami.
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So, can you tell us about the other side, Cagayan?
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Give us a lay of the land.
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Okay, I'm from Cagayan, the land of Enrile.
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Of course, basically, Cagayan is a province.
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It's the regional center of Region 2.
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As a regional center, of course, you have other strategic provinces there,
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including Batanes, Cagayan province, and Isabela.
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Kaya, lately na pag-uusapan sila.
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I must admit, Richard was one of the first
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who interviewed me about the EDCA sites,
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the relevance of Cagayan,
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and we had a thorough discussion about that.
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Ang ganda nung aming discussion last year.
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Kabasa, can you give us an overview of what we discussed?
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So, essentially, my question was,
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is Governor Mamba,
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who was seen as the first openly pro-China governor in the Philippines,
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I mean, we can debate whether that's fair or not,
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is he a representation of the political spectrum there,
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or is it more diverse?
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So, could you give us some idea about that first,
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before we go to the latest developments?
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During my so-called ethnography and ocular visit to the two EDCA sites in Cagayan,
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of course, tayo naman, maraming tayong kaibigan din dun sa Cagayan,
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and of course, we interviewed some locals also.
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And we were saying, there are some municipalities who are in favor of EDCA,
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other towns and cities are not in favor.
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So, ibig sabihin, divided and polarized din yung aming probinsya
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when it comes to the EDCA sites.
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So, not all are in favor.
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Not all are in favor to what the governor is saying or doing.
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But at the same time, meron din medyo lumalaban or in favor dun sa EDCA sites natin doon.
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Which parts? Could you give us some details?
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Okay, like the Lalo Airfield, no?
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That's the, because there are two EDCA sites in Cagayan.
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One is the Lalo Airfield, that's the airport.
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The mayor there is in favor of EDCA.
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Yung mayor ng Santa Ana, yun yung naval port, yun yung parang subik namin doon.
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Originally, sabi nila hindi in favor.
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But the CESA chief right now is the daughter of Enrile.
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So, ibig sabihin, dahil siya yung daughter ni Enrile, of course,
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she subscribes to the support of the Americans to our province, basically.
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So, yung city namin sa Tugigarao, yun yung capital,
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medyo hati rin yung mga tao doon.
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Although, of course, it's far-fetched from the EDCA sites.
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Pero sila yung central.
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Center of attraction ngayon because of the universities, no?
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Because the city holds reputable universities right now.
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And sila yung napag-uusapan.
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Which Richard will ask questions later on about that, no?
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So, yun yung ating situation.
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It's the geography and basically the composition of political landscape in my province.
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I forgot to mention, of course, you are also an anthropologist.
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In fact, you were my professor in anthropology.
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Although, of course, we're colleagues in the more geopolitics realm.
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And, of course, your dissertation was on strategic culture,
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which where we saw, you know, nag-flex ka ng anthropological muscle mo,
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which we really need.
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So, yes, you really do ethnographic studies.
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You really do that.
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Kaya nag-build work ako.
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Very important sa akin yung ethnographic study
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because, of course, when we do that, we do participation observation.
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Ibig sabihin, kailangan pumunta ka doon sa lugar,
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makipag-usisa ka, parte ka rin doon sa sitwasyon na yun.
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And then, of course, that's the value of ethnography.
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You get the pulse of the people.
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You ask questions to local people, to your respondents.
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And at the same time, you feel what's the situation there on the ground.
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Yeah, before I ask bakit ang sarap ng Delimondo na beef and all,
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can you tell me about the facilities?
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I mean, when people say ETCA facilities,
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kasi ang iniisip ng tao facilities,
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nako, kamkrami yan or I don't know, it's subik.
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Hindi, but I mean, what are we talking about here?
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Bare bones, fishing huts?
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Like, what's going on there?
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Okay, in CESA, that's where your Santa Ana ETCA site is located,
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yung Camp Oasis ata yun, no?
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Para siyang subik din dahil may mga facilities na yan.
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Ah, so medyo malaki.
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And there's a community within, no?
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So kung ano yung nakikita nyo sa subik, i-visualize nyo.
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Ganon yung tsura ng Santa Ana.
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There's a port, may communities, magandang road network,
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Of course, mas developed si subik compared to Santa Ana.
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Now, we go to Lalo.
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Lalo is an old town.
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That's originally the Nueva Segovia during the Spanish period.
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It's an old town, and there's a 300-hectare slot there
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where you have an international airport, supposedly.
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Kompleto na yung runway niya.
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There's no problem about that.
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Malit lang yung area.
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Yung aerodrome facility, yun yung pwede kang, yung kung saan nakaupo yung mga piloto
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at kinitignan nila kung may lilipad at maglalant din.
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More improvements in that area.
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But yung runway niya ang haba because it's an international airport.
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Also, in Santa Ana, it's a tourist spot kasi nga may magagandang white beach doon.
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At the same time, meron ka rin mga...
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Kasi ang daming mga foreigners doon, no?
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So, ang daming magagandang hotels.
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Mga afam, marami.
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May mga afam doon.
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At saka may kasino.
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So, ganun yung itsura niya.
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May konting development na rin, pero hindi siya as sparkling as Subic.
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So, Dr. Gabalza, like from one to Subic, I mean, kasi may mga...
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From one to Kiboloy.
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From one to Subic.
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If Subic is 10 and one is like...
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Like, you know, the starting point, Santa Ana is like 7, 8.
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Is that what you're saying?
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And then, 3 or 4 yung isa?
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I mean, just to give people some sort of sense.
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Just to visualize it.
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Nasa 7 or 8 yung Santa Ana.
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Okay yung road network.
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Walang problema diyan.
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May may infrastructures na, pero it's not as grander as Subic.
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When it comes to yung Lalo, that's the airport,
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nasa between 3 or 4.
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3 and 4 homes may improve.
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Hindi pa siya ganun ka-sophisticated.
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My question right now is,
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ang plano ba dito is to bring it to 10?
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Especially Santa Ana?
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Because we saw Gibo, I think, was in the area not long ago.
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And it's like, hindi lang naman mga Amerikano,
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ba't yung mga Pilipinas din nag-invest doon sa mga infrastructure in the area.
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Can you give us an idea of the trajectory?
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So, you gave us a very good snapshot.
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But what is the trajectory here?
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Because part of the...
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collaboration with the Americans.
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Kasi tama si Richard do not...
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This is a Philippine-initiated project.
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And when we talk about the EDCA sites,
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these are rotational bases.
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So, pag-aarit ito ng Pilipinas, hindi ng mga Amerikano.
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And we invite them kung pwede sila pumunta o hindi.
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And part of it is, of course, to co-develop it with the Americans.
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Kasi, syempre, gagamitin nila yung bases natin.
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Kailangan meron din silang ambagdoon.
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So, the projection, of course, is to...
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operationalize it just like what we have seen in, of course, no?
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In Subic and in Clark.
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No, yung Clark, you see the development right now in Clark.
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Very massive, no?
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It's a world-class city.
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Baka nga, plano nga ng gobyerno.
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Baka doon ilipat yung capital ng ating government.
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Putra Jaya natin.
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Putra Jaya natin.
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And it's really beautiful yung Clark sa ngayon, no?
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And for me, that's the best...
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facility so far that I've seen around the country.
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Malayo-malayo pa doon yung Lalo Airport, no?
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So, kung i-compare natin.
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Yung Santa Ana, medyo humahabol na sa Subic.
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But still, more room to improve, no?
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So, hopefully, of course, with the project with the Americans,
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yun yung balak, no?
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To operationalize it because of its proximity to Batanes.
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When we go to Batanes, actually, kahit region to si Batanes,
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hindi mo kayang mag-operate.
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So, it's a big deal.
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So, it's a big deal.
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So, it's a big deal.
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So, it's a big deal.
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So, it's a big deal.
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So, it's a big deal.
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nakakatuwa, nung unang punta ko sa
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Batanes, alam mo yung
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sasakyan naming aeroplano
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yung malilit lang, I forget the
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name of that plane, yung pang
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Indiana Jones, tapos
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tinitimbang kami, pati nga yung mga bag
13:09.6
at saka yung supplies namin
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limited lang kaya niya
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limited lang yung capacity
13:13.9
tapos ang nakakatuwa doon
13:16.2
we have to rely to the sun
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kasi once magfly siya
13:24.3
tapos hindi mo makita yung sky
13:28.3
fear factor pala to
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ganun, ganun parang anthropologist
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situation when you go to
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Vasco, but when you go there
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my God, ang ganda-ganda
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ng Batanes, of course you're in
13:42.0
a different, parang sa
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kaya nga may Scotland, Ireland, Scotland
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Scotland, Ireland, ganda nga nga
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stone houses, headlands
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and it's a UNESCO
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it's a UNESCO site
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ito yung mga IPs doon
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one of the kindest people
14:06.4
because there's an honesty store doon
14:08.3
walang nagbabantay
14:10.8
tapos bahala ka magbayad na lang
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grabe no, it's really
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something, kaya nga may pagka Scotland
14:16.8
Ireland feel doon
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tell me what you're comfortable
14:24.8
what is the marites we know here
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ano ba talagang balak ng mga Amerikano
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because you know I've been
14:29.3
I was in Washington DC the other month
14:31.7
some are saying that
14:33.6
baka ang plan ng mga Amerikans
14:34.9
to eventually bring in
14:35.7
I don't know, high Mars
14:37.7
high caliber weapon systems
14:39.1
or even advanced fighter jets
14:40.5
what is the marites in town right now
14:43.7
before we discuss also a little bit
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kasi there was a plan for Pentagon
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to build yung isang port facility doon
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yeah, yeah, doon sa Mavulis, Ireland
14:52.6
can you tell us a little bit
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what's the state of marites
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very quiet lately
15:00.7
on the EDCA sites
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last year was the big
15:09.8
ngayon very quiet sila
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kasi alam ko yung
15:13.4
it will not happen in Cagayan
15:15.6
it's going to be in
15:17.4
and then of course
15:23.8
in the West Philippine Sea
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parang ganoon yung ruta
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hindi ata masyado
15:27.7
I think they did it last year
15:30.8
kaya mas mainit siya
15:32.0
what's the calculation
15:36.9
future projection
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use it for forward base
15:46.3
volatile din yung situation
15:48.7
of course hindi natin
15:50.6
the reason why we are
15:52.8
because of the Taiwan
15:54.7
it could be possible
15:58.0
ang punto rin natin dito
15:59.9
is for a multi-role
16:03.0
because of course
16:05.1
particularly in Region 2
16:06.6
in Cagayan Valley
16:08.1
talagang talamak yung
16:09.4
natural calamities
16:19.0
who are not familiar
16:20.2
more on disaster relief
16:22.1
talaga yung ginagawa
16:28.7
yun nga yung kina-question
16:30.5
ng aming governor
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ano kailangan dyan
16:38.0
mas kailangan dito
16:40.1
yung economic activities
16:42.8
kung titignan natin
16:54.9
mas maganda siguro yun
16:56.6
yung kabila naman
16:58.5
ang kanilang in-offer
17:09.0
is a perfect segue
17:26.5
economic corridor
17:28.3
economic corridor
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economic corridor
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is in central Luzon
17:40.6
economic corridor
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an existing project
17:49.1
I was a consultant
17:55.7
ng mga feasibility
17:57.1
kasi they needed me
17:57.9
as an anthropologist
17:58.7
kasi maraming mga IPs
18:02.0
those are existing
18:30.5
the economic activities
18:32.1
pero ang nangyari
18:33.2
dun lang sa central Luzon
18:34.3
so problematic pa rin
18:36.6
so we'll see what happens
18:39.5
about the Chinese
18:43.7
before going to that
18:44.9
again this is what I like
18:46.5
about our conversation
18:47.4
kasi before going to
18:48.1
the latest marites
18:50.6
what's the relevance
18:52.0
ako I'm just thinking
18:55.1
Baguio could be like
19:02.3
economic corridor
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ang lalaki na mga lupa
19:17.3
is vying to become
19:21.9
autonomous region
19:23.4
they would want to
19:28.3
kasi yung sa inyo eh
19:29.3
parang Angeles City yan eh
19:38.0
pero punong-punong na
19:39.7
kasi sa Benguet eh
19:43.4
for that position
19:44.2
and Tabuc is very
19:45.1
close to Tugigaraw
19:47.9
the Tugigaraw-Tabuc
19:50.3
connecting it to the
19:53.4
mega Luzon corridor
19:55.2
from central Luzon
20:03.0
ang another project
20:15.6
it's a 10 kilometer tunnel
20:16.9
I was one of those
20:18.4
feasibility study of that
20:27.2
isa lang yung kalsada
20:29.8
then down to Cagayan
20:35.1
the road going there
20:47.7
madaanin yung mga tao
20:55.4
kaya yung gagawin nilang tunnel
20:59.1
that's going to be
21:00.0
a big project also
21:05.2
kaya lang ang babalik sa manila
21:06.2
I think we have to have
21:06.9
another one dun sa studio
21:08.1
but we need to have a map
21:09.3
kasi dun sa studio
21:10.6
I think they're back
21:12.7
kasi yung studio na
21:13.5
meron kaming TV ngayon
21:19.1
where they do like
21:20.0
FIBA World Cup analysis
21:21.5
yun ang binibigay sa
21:23.3
we can do like map
21:25.2
para makita talaga ng tao
21:26.2
itong Luzon corridor
21:27.9
thank you so much for this
21:29.7
before we go to the
21:30.8
itong meat of the discussion
21:32.5
speaking of the meat of the discussion
21:35.7
appetizer pala ito
21:41.4
compared sa ibang corned beef
21:43.6
alam mo yung corned beef na yun
21:51.8
yung grass sa Batanes
21:57.5
baka kalabaw doon
22:01.5
and they can balance
22:05.9
ang galing-galing
22:09.1
maybe doon galing
22:10.0
I don't know how they process it
22:12.2
now it makes sense
22:13.1
may paka New Zealand
22:14.9
may mga audience sa'yo
22:18.4
Dalton Pass daw yun
22:19.5
yeah that's Dalton Pass
22:25.6
technical na mga tao dito
22:30.7
kaya I wanted to be
22:31.7
kaya nga they said
22:32.6
amateur stock strategy
22:34.5
expert stock logistics
22:36.6
so I really wanted to
22:39.8
so I really appreciate this
22:41.5
now let's go to the
22:42.3
meat of discussion
22:43.1
since pinag-usapan natin
22:44.2
yung corn beef nyo
22:45.7
we're not saying this
22:47.5
because solid north
22:48.2
pero ang sarap talaga
22:50.4
akala ko imported
22:51.8
yung pala talagang
22:52.9
sabi ko pang afam to eh
22:54.3
oh that's a lovely meat
22:54.9
pang afam ang lasa
22:56.9
parang New Zealand galing
22:59.0
galing sa New Zealand natin
23:01.8
what happened dun sa
23:02.5
Batanes Pentagon Project
23:04.0
na parang na-cancel bigla
23:05.6
yung port facility
23:12.0
kasi nakita ko yung Batanes
23:13.7
the real intent actually
23:15.2
is for yung HADDR
23:16.8
kasi kawawalin yung mga
23:18.6
really when you go there
23:21.3
ma-isolate talaga sila
23:24.1
archipelagic Batanes eh
23:26.6
they're really isolated
23:29.6
I don't know how many
23:32.2
islets you have there
23:33.4
pero tatlo lang yung
23:34.8
habitable islands mo doon
23:40.1
walang masyadong tao doon
23:47.4
naririnig mo na eh
23:50.3
diba you can hear
23:51.1
the Taiwanese radio
23:52.4
talaong mo na si Ana doon eh
23:60.0
so what's going on there
24:07.7
because what I remember
24:08.9
the first writings
24:11.3
itong special economic zones
24:22.8
very national security
24:24.7
with Philippine Navy
24:29.9
ang mga investments
24:31.2
now we're in a situation
24:34.8
ng mga Chinese students
24:37.6
can you tell us about
24:40.1
educational system there
24:41.3
are there big universities
24:47.7
I have to put into
24:49.6
for the past three days
24:52.1
I have family and relatives
24:54.4
and we were harassed
24:56.7
political situation
24:57.6
or because of my revelations
24:59.9
okay I'm sorry to hear that
25:02.4
I just want to put into context
25:05.3
para anong maintindihan
25:06.3
ng mga viewers natin
25:10.1
kind of conversation
25:11.3
to clear things up
25:13.1
I was in the hot seat
25:21.2
they've been calling me
25:22.0
calling my family
25:24.3
what's the real score
25:25.2
and blah blah blah blah
25:29.4
the waves of migration
25:33.3
Ateneo de Tukigiraw
25:37.6
I'm sorry I didn't know that
25:41.2
I feel so ignorant
25:42.6
Ateneo de Tukigiraw
25:43.6
we have the Jesuits
25:46.2
one of the reasons
25:47.3
one of the reasons
25:48.7
why they came to Kageyan
25:50.0
because they wanted
25:52.4
for their conversion
25:54.4
until such a time
25:56.6
Ateneo de Tukigiraw
25:57.4
didn't push through
25:58.5
the Belgians came
26:03.3
and mom and everyone
26:05.8
a French congregation
26:08.8
St. Paul University
26:10.3
mother university
26:13.3
the one here in KGC
26:14.7
the one in Kageyan
26:17.0
it's very reputable
26:22.2
we have four universities
26:24.1
St. Paul University
26:26.1
University of St. Louis
26:28.4
and then you have
26:29.5
Kageyan State University
26:30.8
where Father Rani
26:33.9
and then of course
26:34.8
the University of Kageyan Valley
26:36.5
where they produced
26:37.6
top-notch lawyers
26:41.4
magagaling tumuhay
26:42.4
ang eskwelahan nito
26:44.7
there are many more colleges
26:46.3
so it's a university town
26:52.1
parang foreign students
26:53.9
throughout the years
26:55.4
so in other words
26:59.7
are Filipino-Chinese
27:02.0
they intermarried
27:04.0
they know all the languages
27:06.7
they are Filipinos
27:08.7
so parang vegan ito
27:12.0
may lola from vegan
27:13.0
may Chinese blood
27:14.0
obvious sa itsura niya
27:15.3
so if vegan is on this side
27:17.1
ito yung the other side
27:18.1
na parang entrepot
27:19.1
parang mini single course
27:19.9
kaya nangyari yun
27:23.6
they came from Lalo
27:24.5
that's Nueva Segovia
27:33.1
from Nueva Segovia
27:37.4
so dun nagpuntahan
27:40.8
nagpuntahan sa Tugigarao
27:44.4
and then the next
27:45.4
wave of migration
27:46.2
because of course
27:46.9
you know what happened
27:52.1
because of the civil war
27:54.3
and the communists
27:55.0
tumakas yung iba dito
27:59.4
so again basically
28:00.1
kaya marami kaming
28:01.0
Filipino-Chinese doon
28:04.5
naging politiko sila doon
28:06.1
so that's the context
28:08.6
dahil marami kaming
28:09.6
reputable universities doon
28:14.3
in my elementary high school
28:17.2
after I went to UP
28:19.3
marami na rin mga
28:20.4
foreign students doon
28:22.7
marami na nagpupuntahan doon
28:29.9
konti-konti lang yan
28:31.7
nag-aaral na ako sa UP
28:37.8
because they study medicine
28:41.5
so parang bagyo talaga
28:43.2
parang bagyo talaga
28:44.4
how large is the population
28:45.9
how large is the population there
28:51.4
nasa ano lang kami
28:57.5
siguro nasa 100,000
29:00.1
so similar to bagyo
29:01.5
melting pot na si Tugigarao
29:02.9
the reason I'm asking numbers
29:06.4
the number of Chinese students
29:07.5
that could give you a scale
29:08.8
if it's a town of 100 people
29:10.7
and then there's 2,000
29:12.8
you know you're gonna say
29:14.1
but if it's a town of 100,000 people
29:18.3
you get what I'm saying
29:19.2
I'm just trying to put things
29:20.5
because there's a scale
29:22.7
ratio is very important
29:24.0
before we go into
29:24.9
conspiracy theories
29:27.0
what's this Chinese story
29:28.7
Chinese student story
29:30.9
I just saw over the news
29:35.6
si Bureau of Immigration
29:38.2
naglabas ng figures
29:39.7
there are 1,500 Chinese students
29:50.1
that was the figure
29:51.1
that they brought out
29:52.3
some of them were students
29:58.4
in one university
30:00.5
in St. Paul University
30:02.6
that's a reputable university
30:04.1
sabi nila may 4,000 plus
30:06.0
pero sabi nung mayor
30:09.2
kasi may local politics
30:10.4
away-away din sila dun no
30:11.6
hindi 4,000 plus yun
30:17.5
yung figure na binigay
30:24.4
may kwento-kwento na
30:27.5
there are Chinese students
30:28.6
playing like this
30:31.3
defense analyst din ako
30:33.9
from intelligence report
30:38.1
lahat yung mga kwento
30:39.4
at yung mga report na ito
30:44.5
ayoko sabihin yung mga names
30:49.5
let's not discuss it
30:50.9
let's not discuss it
30:51.1
because the figures
30:54.5
pag-usapan na lang
30:59.8
actually people are quiet
31:02.4
are quiet about it
31:06.8
is worried about it
31:12.0
these Chinese students
31:21.1
feeling and problem
31:23.4
ang daming nagsasabi
31:27.1
it just so happened
31:28.6
the epicenter right now
31:30.3
but it's happening
31:31.5
in key strategic locations
31:34.1
how come that we have
31:35.7
influx of Chinese students
31:37.2
in these strategic locations
31:39.1
like say for example
31:40.5
because it has two EDCA sites
31:42.1
and also in Subic
31:44.1
West Philippine Sea
31:51.1
it's a big problem
31:53.1
sabi ng mga senator
31:58.1
nanggaling sa akin
31:59.1
nanggaling yung source
32:01.1
should file a complaint
32:02.1
eh nag-iisip ko ngayon
32:03.1
teka file a complaint
32:04.1
what about my family
32:05.1
so that's the dilemma
32:06.1
that I'm currently in right now
32:07.1
I may be the source
32:10.1
kawawa naman yung
32:12.1
I may be the source
32:15.1
kawawa naman yung
32:17.1
I may be the source
32:20.1
kawawa naman yung
32:22.1
because they are being harassed
32:23.1
two of my brothers
32:24.1
are working for the local government
32:29.1
pag-iisipan natin muna ito
32:31.1
before going into that
32:34.1
because of course
32:35.1
I'll be having a meeting
32:38.1
with Ched by next week
32:40.1
we'll see what happens there
32:42.1
in the negotiation
32:43.1
of how things will work
32:45.1
if we pursue for the filing
32:53.1
I don't know kung ano pa
32:54.1
What do you mean complain?
32:55.1
I mean like investigate
32:57.1
Because this is the process
33:01.1
to investigate the situation
33:03.1
there must be a complainant
33:06.1
Tapos in aid of legislation
33:07.1
or something like that?
33:08.1
Something like that
33:09.1
Now there must be a complainant
33:15.1
with the due process
33:19.1
I don't know what will happen
33:22.1
if I'm gonna talk to them later on
33:26.1
That's why hopefully we'll have you
33:27.1
next week or something
33:29.1
to have an update on this
33:30.1
and please take care of yourself
33:31.1
I didn't know it was that crazy
33:33.1
obviously there's always risk
33:37.1
I didn't know it got so hot right now
33:42.1
And of course it's really baffling
33:45.1
The pencil is so hot
33:49.1
And you think about it twice because
33:54.1
we've been doing this for
33:55.1
I've been doing this for 14 years already
33:57.1
being a public commentator
33:59.1
But first time in my life
34:03.1
family members are involved now
34:08.1
I completely understand
34:11.1
everything you're saying is what
34:12.1
was our concern with Pogos
34:16.1
it's not like there's no investigation about Pogos
34:18.1
I don't know what the hell did they do
34:20.1
Suddenly the issue became quiet
34:21.1
Suddenly the issue came back
34:25.1
connect the Pogos issue
34:26.1
to the influx the other issue
34:28.1
and at the same time
34:29.1
because we need a hearing
34:31.1
helps us to avoid
34:37.1
because I'm very sensitive
34:38.1
to things like this
34:39.1
I mean we Filipinos are
34:41.1
We should be open society
34:42.1
We have to be open
34:44.1
We have to be open
34:48.1
Filipino, Chinese are also by religion
34:51.1
There are brothers
34:52.1
Rizal was Chinoy too in a way
34:54.1
I wanna be careful about
34:56.1
I don't want to look like
34:57.1
as Cynthia Villar
34:58.1
our great senator
34:59.1
very eloquently put it
35:02.1
I mean at the same time
35:07.1
to see what's going on here
35:13.1
how many students?
35:15.1
Okay, so that's not much
35:16.1
but was it like zero
35:18.1
and then suddenly 400
35:19.1
or was it like 50 then 400?
35:23.1
in one university only
35:26.1
But what's the trajectory?
35:28.1
Did it go like from zero last year
35:29.1
to suddenly one thousand?
35:30.1
Or did it go from few hundred
35:34.1
that's where you can see
35:35.1
if something is going on
35:36.1
Yeah, back to the surge
35:37.1
Back to the surge
35:39.1
Yeah, some were saying
35:40.1
because they have
35:43.1
a joint memorandum
35:45.1
There's no problem
35:53.1
what is dubious here
35:59.1
I'm also from the
36:00.1
defense and security sector
36:05.1
those are red flags for us
36:10.1
how would I say it
36:13.1
we are being attacked
36:15.1
We are being attacked
36:16.1
It just so happened that
36:17.1
I'm from this sector
36:19.1
and I'm still there
36:21.1
and then when I spill the beans
36:25.1
I'm the most hated person
36:28.1
right now in my province
36:32.1
I'm the whistleblower
36:36.1
Where do I put myself now?
36:41.1
part of the defense and security sector
36:42.1
but at the same time
36:43.1
I'm also a native of that land
36:45.1
and revealing all this
36:47.1
there's an ongoing geopolitical tension
36:48.1
You see the complexity of everything here
36:49.1
It's really mind-boggling
36:50.1
It's really taranta for everyone
36:52.1
you become anxious also
36:53.1
because of your safety
36:54.1
of your security basically
36:55.1
Okay lang yung national security
36:56.1
kaya natin i-explain lahat yan eh
37:12.1
Pero when members of your family are in danger also
37:17.1
you become so praning na
37:19.1
Why? How? Parang ganon
37:24.1
why should it be you?
37:25.1
Why should it be you alone
37:26.1
to take up the causes?
37:27.1
I mean aren't there other people
37:28.1
from other areas of the country
37:30.1
from Manila who can be involved?
37:31.1
I mean you have a lot of linkages
37:33.1
in the academic defense world
37:34.1
I agree, I agree, I agree
37:35.1
Bakit? Why should it be only on you?
37:36.1
I mean this is crazy
37:37.1
even if you're the only leading analyst
37:41.1
Yeah, I agree with you
37:43.1
There must be other alternative
37:46.1
on how to open up the Pandora's box
37:50.1
kasi nakikita mo naman yung complexity ko
37:53.1
and I was unbiased
37:56.1
given that I'm from that
37:58.1
I'm from that province
38:00.1
It just so happened that
38:01.1
you have also to deal with local politics
38:07.1
you have to deal with geopolitical situation
38:13.1
you have also to deal with your credibility
38:15.1
kasi siyempre people will attack you
38:17.1
kasi left and right
38:19.1
they are watching you
38:21.1
marami silang sasabihin
38:24.1
our role as professor
38:26.1
is to profess our research
38:28.1
kaya nga professor tayo diba
38:29.1
we profess our truth
38:31.1
what is objectively written
38:33.1
based from our research
38:35.1
at yun ang lumalabas sa research ko
38:40.1
that is something that they should have to understand
38:43.1
can we clarify the nature
38:45.1
you're being threatened for exposing potential wrongdoing
38:48.1
or you're being threatened
38:50.1
I mean what is the basis for threatening you?
38:53.1
Are they saying you're exposing something wrong
38:56.1
or is it because they just don't want you to marites
38:59.1
are you being accused of being provocateur or something
39:01.1
or are some interests really involved here?
39:03.1
Some people are saying that
39:06.1
when the media pick it up
39:08.1
and then it became a viral discussion
39:10.1
Oh who's your source?
39:18.1
my family is also
39:23.1
relatives are also in Cagayan
39:25.1
and you know the dynamics of local politics also there
39:32.1
the issue for their political agenda
39:35.1
because of course next is also the midterm elections
39:39.1
because some of my brothers are employed in the city government
39:44.1
I see the pressure
39:46.1
ang dami more intersecting it all
39:47.1
your brother is saying something
39:49.1
that might harm the city
39:52.1
and some of the reputable universities here
39:55.1
so you see the dilemma that we are in right now
39:57.1
of course of course
39:59.1
so what is the ideal situation here
40:01.1
a legit proper senate hearing
40:05.1
you know that's not carnivalesque
40:06.1
and doesn't go crazy and off the script right?
40:08.1
I mean this is what we want
40:09.1
just a legitimate proper look into this
40:11.1
just to make sure national security is taken care of
40:14.1
is this the ideal situation you're looking at?
40:18.1
my suggestion is that
40:19.1
they have to invite representatives from the bureau of immigration
40:27.1
because these are higher educational institutions
40:31.1
also document representatives from DFA
40:35.1
because of course these are foreign nationals
40:37.1
at the same time local government representative also
40:47.1
stories from the locals also
40:51.1
it's like they're teasing
40:55.1
so we can verify it
40:57.1
because if only one person will say
40:59.1
assuming of course
41:01.1
what if I have decided to speak up
41:03.1
and continue with this saga
41:07.1
you mean senate hearings
41:09.1
you mean going to senate hearings
41:11.1
yeah yeah definitely
41:13.1
will they give me protection
41:16.1
what about the witness protection program
41:18.1
what about my family
41:19.1
my brothers who are employed
41:21.1
of course they also have economic needs
41:26.1
they are employed
41:27.1
they have to work
41:29.1
so look at those scenarios
41:30.1
it shouldn't be on you
41:31.1
I think you should be just one of the sources
41:33.1
but I think there are other people who should also step up
41:35.1
what are people from military background
41:38.1
whether people are regional experts
41:41.1
that's what I don't like in the Philippines
41:43.1
they put everything on one person
41:45.1
we're not here to be martyrs
41:47.1
we're here to help the country
41:48.1
but everyone has to pitch in one way or another
41:50.1
so thank you very much
41:54.1
for actually also reminding people
41:56.1
especially the media
41:57.1
to be careful also
41:58.1
to my fellow colleagues in media
42:01.1
I know you want to make good news
42:04.1
but make sure we shouldn't endanger our sources and friends
42:07.1
although of course
42:09.1
this is unintentionally
42:11.1
we just have to be careful about that
42:13.1
so I'm sorry to hear that
42:15.1
optimistic that hopefully
42:16.1
we will navigate through this
42:18.1
this issue of Kageyan
42:19.1
has been there in news cycle for quite some time
42:22.1
you're the only one who spoke
42:23.1
suddenly there's a focus on them
42:25.1
this has been going for some time
42:27.1
what's happening right now
42:28.1
is just a tip of the iceberg
42:29.1
in the sense that there's growing scrutiny
42:31.1
of China's presence
42:32.1
in a way that there was none during Duterte at the time
42:35.1
so we're catching up
42:36.1
maybe we're over-swinging a bit
42:38.1
let me ask you last point
42:39.1
here in our interview
42:41.1
I hope we'll have another interview soon
42:42.1
once we're back in town
42:44.1
and please take care of yourself
42:48.1
are you concerned that the Philippines
42:50.1
could also be kind of a front line
42:51.1
of superpower rivalry
42:53.1
kind of like a Berlin of the 21st century Austria
42:56.1
because obviously American influence
42:58.1
is a given in the Philippines
42:59.1
and we can have a long conversation
43:01.1
about how dependent the Philippines is
43:02.1
are we a colony of U.S. still
43:04.1
we can have a conversation like that
43:05.1
but I think it's a fact that
43:07.1
U.S. is not the only superpower
43:09.1
that has penetration here
43:11.1
you have no less than the former president
43:14.1
essentially lawyering for China
43:15.1
you have the vice president of this country
43:17.1
never saying anything critical of China
43:19.1
no matter what's happening in the West Philippines
43:21.1
you have one of their siblings or whatever
43:24.1
coming on and saying don't demonize China
43:26.1
and that's just from the South
43:27.1
and now we're seeing a governor from the North also coming
43:29.1
are you seeing Duterte and Marcos Spath
43:34.1
evolving into something
43:36.1
or rather reflecting something much bigger
43:39.1
in terms of superpower rivalry
43:41.1
some were saying that they're
43:43.1
they represent the two superpowers right now
43:46.1
given that of course they are leaning towards
43:48.1
these two different countries
43:49.1
in their national security agenda basically
43:53.1
but we have to note also that
43:56.1
even before we have foreseen that
43:59.1
it could be possible that our country
44:01.1
especially those in the northern part of the Philippines
44:03.1
can become the battleground
44:05.1
for any eventuality
44:07.1
that's the reason why we are doing simulation
44:10.1
that's the reason why you have Balikatan exercises
44:13.1
to simulate papers
44:17.1
and that's the reason why you have this strategic foresight
44:19.1
okay let's look into the strategic foresight first
44:23.1
what if war happens
44:26.1
and definitely China wins
44:31.1
and the scenario is
44:33.1
definitely if China wins
44:35.1
there could be a possibility that BBM steps down
44:39.1
then Sara becomes immediately the next president
44:42.1
that's one scenario
44:44.1
and second is of course
44:51.1
are we going to continue
44:53.1
with our alliance with the U.S.
44:55.1
if that's the case
44:57.1
because one of the continuing discussion is
45:00.1
there must be war so that we know
45:06.1
will become the leader of this region
45:09.1
because right now that's the reason why there's
45:11.1
a strategic competition
45:12.1
because they're trying to flex their muscles
45:14.1
and you know I would remember
45:16.1
I used to invite Efshin Lose
45:18.1
in my classes at the National Defense College
45:21.1
and in his teenage years
45:24.1
he used to interview
45:27.1
the first Philippine president
45:32.1
this is very classic
45:33.1
that's why I always tell stories
45:35.1
and he asked Aguinaldo
45:36.1
did you kill Bonifacio?
45:38.1
so that was the question
45:40.1
what did Aguinaldo say?
45:43.1
he didn't say yes
45:49.1
you cannot have two presidents
45:53.1
it's a matter of state interest
45:57.1
you have to have order
45:59.1
it's the same thing as what is happening now
46:01.1
because there's a strategic competition right now
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and you cannot have two leaders in one region
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so you have to choose one
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and they have to compete
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for that position
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by hook or by crook
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these two superpowers should have to determine
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which one of them is the most powerful
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so we can't wishy-washy
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we have to be clear about where we stand on things
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and assuming war happens
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or that shooting war happens
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our giant neighbor will be godless and merciless to us
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because we have laid down our targets right now
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but when you say war
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I mean is this also over Taiwan?
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because you guys are so close to Taiwan
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there's a potential for that
46:47.1
the first country that
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if assuming there is war
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the first country that China will attack
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will not be Taiwan or the Philippines
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but it's going to be Japan
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Japan because in that string of pearls
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Japan is the strongest among us
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so they have to take out the ace
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they have to take out the ace first
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and the strongest
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and because of their historical atrocities also to Chinese
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there's bad blood there
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do you think the Philippines should actively be part of deterring an invasion of Taiwan?
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I mean in terms of helping Americans and Japanese
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okay very good question
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I'll be honest here
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which country originally concocted the 11-Dash Line?
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that was a Kuomintang
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Kuomintang yeah yeah
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who colonized Taiwan?
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that was a Kuomintang growing
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that was a Kuomintang growing
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owes an explanation to the world
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why they have that 11-Dash Line
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and they have not even recognized our Hague ruling
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and at the same time
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they wanted help and support from us
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listened to some Taiwanese scholars
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they were saying that
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you want us to become
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to continue to become
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a democratic nation
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or you want us to step down
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because of what we did
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the question here
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I mean I completely understand
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I asked both President Tsai Ing-wen
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and Ma Ying-ju about it
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none of them gave me a reassuring answer
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worse than Ma Ying-ju
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Tsai Ing-wen mentioned that
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that's also part of our strategic ambiguity
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because they didn't want the ruling on the Itoaba
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which we essentially said
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it's a fake island
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it's not a real island
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the reason I'm asking is this
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because we have people like
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Admiral Ong for instance
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actually the nightmare here
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is China occupying Taiwan
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because you don't have just a small island
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in the West Philippine Sea
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now you have a giant island
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next to Batanas and Cagayan
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and that's why we cannot afford
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not helping deterrence of China
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because if you're China
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you're looking at Russia and Ukraine
49:03.1
you're looking at what's happening in the Middle East
49:05.1
but it's not like
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it's completely encouraging
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because invasion of Taiwan
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will be even far more difficult
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than what the Russians are trying to do in Ukraine
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but China has been
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I mean Taiwan has been exercising
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further deterrence
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they keep on doing that every year
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unlike in Cagayan
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or in those coastal areas
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in Northern Philippines
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we only do that during Balikatan exercise
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so Taiwan must prepare
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over people in Cagayan
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and Batanas basically
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so we should be more prepared
49:36.1
so you're okay with more exercises
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there's a reason why
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I think in these Balikatan exercises
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there's a near Taiwan part
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observing the Balikatan
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it's the first time
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that this thing will happen
49:48.1
and I think the ND will also rehearse
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its comprehensive archipelagic defense
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I have a new book
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I have just finished writing a new book
50:00.1
on Philippine territorial defense
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I think it's the first time
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that we are drawing into that kind of debate
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ang sinasabi natin dito
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it's the first time
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that the Philippines will flex its muscles
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when it comes to territorial defense
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for the past five decades
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we've been focused on internal defense
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this is the first time
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that we are trying to experiment
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on external defense
50:22.1
on territorial defense
50:23.1
and comprehensive archipelagic defense
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hindi lang sa Philippines siya
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but the full range of it
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I think we'll have to have more conversation
50:31.1
but the last thing
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let's end on this episode
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I want to make sure you're safe and strong
50:35.1
kaya we're safe here and strong
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you're safe in Ayungin Shoal
50:40.1
you're safe in Ayungin Shoal
50:42.1
very serious question
50:44.1
what is your read of first lady
50:47.1
katuning interview
50:50.1
Sarah has crossed the line
50:51.1
is it so New York versus so Davao
50:53.1
what's going on there
50:54.1
anong basa mo doon
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eto yung pinaka marites ngayon
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sana mang pati na sila
50:57.1
for the sake of our country
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these are two powerful ladies
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I mean they are welcome
51:03.1
and respected leaders
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women leaders in our country
51:08.1
we're talking about the first lady here
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with all due respect
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siyempre asawa ng presidente natin
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sila nga yun yung makapangyarihan
51:22.1
we have also to consider that
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is also a fine lady
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she could be our next president
51:36.1
kaya sana magbati na kayo
51:49.1
wearing our analyst hat now
51:56.1
evolution of the relationship
51:58.1
nakita natin yung very close sila
52:00.1
during the campaign season
52:02.1
actually ganyan naman ang ano eh
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ang Filipino politics no
52:07.1
and then dive down
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I don't agree with you Cabazo
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you never had an ex-president
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saying bangag yung president ngayon
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this has never happened
52:17.1
okay I completely disagree with you
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this is not a normal MN flow
52:22.1
tingnan natin itong
52:23.1
2025 midterm elections
52:24.1
I think that's gonna be
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a game changing election
52:28.1
because we might be seeing
52:29.1
the return of President Duterte
52:34.1
pag nakuha niya yung senator
52:36.1
he can become the
52:40.1
so game changing talaga yung
52:41.1
mangyayari na yun
52:52.1
nag comment yung iba sa amin
52:53.1
parang sagot mo daw
52:54.1
parang no comment lang eh
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I mean I wanted to ask you also about
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the other fine lady
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but you're still in the Ilocos region
53:06.1
once you're back in Manila
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let's talk about Aimee
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kasi maraming aspect itong ano na to eh
53:15.1
please take care of yourself
53:16.1
my prayers with you
53:17.1
with you and your loved ones
53:19.1
and thank you for
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serving the nation
53:21.1
but hindi kailangan magpakamartir
53:23.1
let's make everyone do their contribution
53:26.1
and I hope the media also makes sure
53:28.1
that when they're
53:29.1
they're interviewing their guests
53:30.1
hindi nila pahamak masyado
53:32.1
pag sumisikat masyado
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mahirap maging pogi
53:37.1
thank you so much
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agyaman na Kapsat
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Dr. Chester Cabalza
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very comprehensive
53:46.1
and timely discussion
53:47.1
we always talk about big picture
53:48.1
we also talk about US
53:54.1
we're like East Berlin
53:56.1
we're like East Germany
53:57.1
or something like that
53:58.1
right so this is a
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intense situation
54:01.1
so hopefully we'll have more
54:02.1
of this discussion with you
54:03.1
and I'm sure by next week
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more pa yung marites
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of course of course
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dami nag react sa fine lady mo eh
54:13.1
no comment ako dyan
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see you soon Kapsat
54:24.1
thank you so much
54:26.1
and talk to you soon
54:27.1
i-upload ko rin yan
54:28.1
thank you so much
54:30.1
have a lovely weekend
54:34.1
thank you so much
