00:30.0
Kasi diba, Ronald, ang discussion natin dun sa isang episode,
00:33.7
well, Mark was also there, right?
00:35.1
Which is, baka the reason why Digong suddenly after denial ni Panelo,
00:39.1
ayaw meron ng gentleman's agreement.
00:41.2
Baka naman may video din yung China.
00:43.4
I mean, you get what I'm saying?
00:45.2
Maybe there's something here holding Marcos back.
00:49.3
Anong suspecha mo?
00:50.2
Na as part of, diba yung parang mga Godfather style,
00:53.3
as part of their unity,
00:54.7
oh, I'll give you compromise, you give me compromise,
00:57.7
mutually assure destruction.
00:59.0
Don't you think there could have been an arrangement like that?
01:01.9
Na you go after me, I go after you.
01:03.7
I mean, I know it sounds crazy in Netflix,
01:06.1
but you never know, right?
01:08.5
I doubt it. I doubt it.
01:10.4
Dahil kung meron ganyan na very fundamental,
01:12.9
very compromising,
01:14.9
from the very start, as early as 2022,
01:18.6
ay doon na nangyari yung masahe.
01:21.6
Hindi na nangyari yung tambalos-los.
01:23.6
Hindi na tinanggal yung confidential at saka intelligence fund.
01:26.8
Hindi na tinuloy yung,
01:28.4
yung cha-cha train or pre-push initiative.
01:31.9
Hindi na naglabas ng statement na,
01:34.9
oh, hindi kami makako-coordinate sa ICC,
01:37.3
pero papapasuki namin.
01:38.7
So, ang daming nangyari.
01:40.6
Kung talagang merong compromising something,
01:43.8
ay pwede nang, from the very start, na pre-emp yan.
01:47.9
Ikalawa, kung meron man,
01:49.9
halimbawa, it's a video,
01:51.1
lalo na kung video lang yan,
01:52.6
ang daling i-explain away yan eh.
01:58.4
So, yun yung mas problema eh.
02:01.6
At ikatlo, eh lahat na lang pwedeng ibato, na ibatone.
02:07.1
Lahat ng threats, na ibatone.
02:09.8
Wala nga eh, Romanov.
02:11.1
Romanov na nga at saka Mussolini yung threat eh.
02:13.7
Anong pabagayin eh?
02:15.2
Pabagayin Romanov, diba?
02:17.2
Grabe, massacre, family, grabe.
02:19.9
Anong pabagayin ba ba ito mo?
02:21.5
I doubt kung merong compromise, no?
02:28.4
Siyempre, lahat naman meron eh.
02:30.3
Yan naman yung nature na ating politiko eh.
02:32.2
Pero it's a level of, I don't know.
02:34.2
Wala namang, ano na sa Pilipinas, wala namang imposible eh.
02:37.8
Pero looking at what happened, tingin ko improbable.
02:41.2
I mean, before we go to the second thing, I want to ask also Mark about it
02:44.5
because Mark made some very interesting suggestion
02:46.5
that the new unity thing is what we were discussing
02:49.5
while naghihintay tayo kanina.
02:54.9
Ikaw, Mark, I mean, what is your take on that?
02:57.5
I mean, what is...
02:58.4
What is holding back, Marcos?
03:01.4
Tingin ko wala din.
03:02.9
I agree with the Sir Ronald.
03:05.5
I think, ano eh, may strategy dito eh.
03:08.9
Merong timing, merong ano.
03:10.4
So, yun lang yun.
03:12.0
I think it's more of timing strategy.
03:15.0
Tapos mag-a-adjust kung anong gagawin nila.
03:17.4
Kasi ano eh, kung titignan mo,
03:19.2
maybe they were baiting Digong din to get angry eh.
03:22.6
They were hanging yung ICC, tatakutin ka with ICC
03:25.5
hanggang pumitek si Digong, hanggang maging...
03:28.4
for the other side na madiskarel
03:30.5
and magulo yung strategy nung kabinak.
03:33.3
So, I think everything is calculated,
03:35.5
everything is planned.
03:37.1
Parang there's, ano eh, there's a...
03:39.8
parang method to the madness.
03:41.5
In the same way na kay Digong din.
03:43.6
Si Digong, nung term niya, akala mo mura lang ng mura.
03:47.3
Pero hindi, nakaplano pala eh.
03:50.4
Kay Marcos naman, akala mo parang
03:52.2
masyadong mabait sa lahat, masyadong ano.
03:54.4
Pero, I think, I think,
03:57.3
lahat yan calculated.
03:59.9
They know what they're doing and
04:04.6
And lalo, after the interview of First Lady,
04:07.9
it's clear na they know everything that's happening
04:11.3
and hindi lang sila nag-respond dun sa lahat.
04:15.4
Well, Mark, you have a lot of faith in the rationality
04:18.4
and this political skills of Artrapos and all.
04:21.2
But I can see na hindi naman totally mindless,
04:24.5
especially on the part of Marcos.
04:25.6
I think my problem with Marcos is probably
04:27.2
he's over-analyzing.
04:28.4
He's over-analyzing things
04:28.8
rather than under-analyzing things.
04:30.8
But, oh, actually, what I wanted to say kanina,
04:32.7
medyo nasabaw na rin niya tao sa traffic today.
04:37.7
What I would argue, Ronald, is that
04:39.6
actually, one reason for Marcos to be confident,
04:42.1
and I think that's why the First Lady could come out is
04:44.1
if there were to be a damage to Marcos,
04:47.4
Yung drop niya ng 13 points,
04:49.4
80% of that was from Mindanao
04:51.2
and the hardcore DDS base.
04:52.9
So, if there were to be a damage,
04:54.4
it's already done.
04:55.3
So, parang na-absorb mo na yung damage eh.
04:57.2
Ayun lang pala eh.
04:58.1
Hanggang dyan lang pala kayo eh.
04:59.7
So, actually, if you're the Marcos camp,
05:01.5
you're gonna say,
05:02.3
so, this is the most you could bring to our site.
05:04.5
Twice ka na-call for insurrection.
05:06.3
Binastos mo kami.
05:07.5
Okay, nag-drop ako ng 13 points,
05:09.2
but still, I'm a majority president.
05:10.7
I mean, approval ratings of BBM
05:12.1
is something that Biden would dream of having.
05:14.8
Close to 60%, right?
05:16.5
Kasi, for me, parang, okay,
05:20.0
That's all you got.
05:20.9
Alright, let's go for this.
05:22.1
Kasi nakita natin na-expose din yung limits ni Digong eh.
05:25.4
And this is where I slightly disagree with Mark.
05:28.1
genuinely thought
05:29.0
that with those speeches and interventions,
05:31.9
talagang ma-destabilize si Marcos Jr.
05:34.0
and he would be dissuaded from his foreign policy.
05:37.2
So, clearly, nag-overshoot.
05:39.3
Nag-overshoot siya.
05:40.6
Nag-three points siya.
05:42.1
Umabot dun sa kabilang kanto, di ba?
05:44.8
Which sets the tone for our conversation
05:49.5
Ronna, do you think that
05:53.1
But definitely, there's a good reason
05:54.5
for the first lady to run.
05:55.9
I mean, do you think,
05:57.5
one of the things you've seen in interviews
05:59.4
is that she's a natural politician, right?
06:02.7
But she would easily win, right?
06:04.4
If she were to run.
06:05.5
Kasi, pag yung Senate,
06:07.3
ang lakas ng DDS pa rin eh.
06:09.1
Kalata ng mga tamang yung sinabi mo
06:10.7
sa isang episode.
06:11.8
There are this five or six DDS team DDS
06:14.0
that could make it to Magic 12.
06:16.6
So, this is not looking very good
06:20.4
And then I'll go to Mark
06:21.2
with his fantastic suggestion
06:22.9
and encounter unity.
06:27.8
will the first lady run?
06:29.4
Yeah, or maybe not.
06:31.3
But will it make sense?
06:32.8
Kasi medyo parang kapos sila eh
06:35.5
Yeah, I doubt it.
06:39.5
ang gagawin ni BBM,
06:41.1
kumuha siya ng mga winnable senators.
06:44.7
Re-electionists at saka mga babalik.
06:46.7
Alimawa, yung mga babalik,
06:48.0
yung macho group.
06:56.3
Yan yung macho group.
06:57.4
And Gringo Honasan.
06:58.8
Apat dyan, winnable.
07:01.0
Apat dyan, winnable.
07:03.9
ay ikokoop nila si,
07:11.1
kukuli nila si Isko
07:14.3
na medyo tumataas nga yun.
07:18.5
possibly si Gordon.
07:20.2
Tapos meron kang, ah,
07:21.5
meron kang dalawang tulpo.
07:25.6
na walang partido.
07:28.2
So, meron silang mga,
07:29.8
mga winnable na mga walo.
07:33.9
tapos kung sakaling mangyayari yung ICC,
07:36.7
baka mabawasan ng dalawa o tatlo
07:38.7
yung winnable sa kabila.
07:42.7
yun yung mathematics eh.
07:44.7
Yun yung nakikita akong balance sheet.
07:47.7
meron na silang gawin.
07:49.7
itong ginawa ni First Lady
07:55.6
Simula ito ng street fighting.
08:01.6
Marcos administration
08:02.6
sa street fighting.
08:03.9
Tingin ko ito yung start.
08:06.0
talagang kailangan ka
08:07.1
kung mangyayarin Baragulan.
08:08.7
Talaga, warm bodies.
08:11.4
Nandyan na tayo, pare.
08:15.8
Let's bring it up.
08:19.6
tingin ko si Lam din.
08:25.6
kay Line You Do Not Cross,
08:27.3
dahil kay Super Hipag.
08:30.7
Yung, yung, yung,
08:31.6
kay Aimee, I think.
08:33.2
dun sa interview kay Tuning,
08:36.5
medyo lumayong pa siya
08:37.3
dun sa tanong kay Aimee, eh.
08:38.9
Parang that's a line you,
08:40.0
you do not cross,
08:42.1
So, baka meron pa,
08:43.6
Aimee daw is invited
08:45.5
Sundays with, ah,
08:48.9
So, merong ano eh,
08:50.1
kumbaga merong hope pa dun sa dalawa eh.
08:52.8
tumakbo siya for senator
08:55.3
Kasabay nima ng Aimee.
08:56.8
Wala na talaga, ano.
08:58.5
Baka hindi naman hope.
09:01.3
puro body language na lang.
09:03.4
walang lalabas na statement.
09:05.6
Paano, Marcos pa rin eh.
09:07.1
At kung tatakbo si Lam
09:10.8
maliban sa masikip,
09:16.0
ang pangit tingnan.
09:17.2
Kung magbabawasan sila,
09:18.7
we see that with the Tulfos, right?
09:20.1
Once pinasok si Ben Tulfo,
09:21.9
bumaba ng 18,000,
09:23.6
Erwin was like 75%
09:25.7
dun sa first octa one.
09:28.0
nung pinasok si Ben,
09:29.0
bumaba siya sa 57, 56.
09:33.5
it also doesn't make sense
09:35.5
if Aimee is gonna be there.
09:39.9
As you could say,
09:40.6
Aimee, you're still the sister.
09:42.3
You're still family.
09:43.5
We don't wanna create any trouble.
09:45.3
and we're gonna support you.
09:47.3
kailangan mong maging relevant
09:49.2
but at the end of the day,
09:51.0
the Ilocano blood
09:55.5
If I can put it that way.
10:04.2
you were talking about this.
10:07.0
Do you see a situation
10:08.7
you have Bam Aquino
10:10.1
and team admin together
10:12.0
and they'll be essentially
10:14.0
hindi naman makabayan
10:15.1
kasi nakuha na yung
10:20.1
Kasi that started
10:25.0
I was able to interview
10:27.1
former Senator Trillanes.
10:29.8
na-interview mo din siya,
10:30.8
This past day din.
10:32.6
yun ang tinanong ko sa kanya,
10:34.8
there's a possibility
10:35.7
na magkakaroon na talaga
10:38.6
with dating magkalaban
10:40.3
Marcos and Aquino
10:42.5
former Senator Trillanes
10:44.0
is pushing for it.
10:52.4
ang sinabi nga niya,
10:57.1
makakatulong yung makinarya
10:58.5
if you are nandun ka sa
11:01.0
senatorial boards.
11:02.6
ang problema kasi,
11:04.2
kung titignan mo yung
11:06.2
for the opposition side,
11:08.1
the genuine opposition side,
11:10.7
si Kiko Pangilinan,
11:15.3
si Che lang medyo ano eh,
11:16.7
yun ang pinag-usapan natin,
11:22.4
niya might not be able
11:24.0
to like yung pagsama niya
11:32.0
in terms of symbolism,
11:38.3
na Ang Marcos and the Nakino
11:41.2
in a unity ticket
11:44.8
yung mga senatorial boards
11:46.9
who are pro-China.
11:51.1
kung titignan mo,
11:56.4
is Team Pilipinas eh.
11:59.1
yung kabilang side,
12:00.2
is mukhang yun yung,
12:02.5
Team Pilipinas versus Team
12:05.1
something like that,
12:09.4
Defense Agreement Team,
12:10.8
Team ng Gentleman,
12:12.3
yung gari sa Beijing run.
12:15.9
do you think that would be too crazy?
12:17.9
I think Bam and Admin
12:24.6
the Admin will have all the resources
12:26.1
and all of that too, right?
12:27.2
It makes sense for some of the
12:28.6
real opposition people
12:30.2
in the name of fighting
12:33.2
West Philippine Sea.
12:33.9
Because this could be also
12:35.3
makapili versus makabayan
12:40.5
it's not impossible,
12:48.3
walang masyadong value added
12:55.1
sabi nga ni Mark,
12:57.4
ma-develop yung narrative
12:58.7
na may value added.
13:01.2
walang value added eh.
13:03.4
kung titignan mo sa lahat ng surveys,
13:15.5
ay medyo improbable.
13:24.3
kung sila ay wala dun sa
13:37.2
yung administration
13:40.6
Yung administration
13:41.5
hawak ang military
13:43.3
during the midterm.
13:44.8
Yung administration
13:47.2
during the midterm.
14:00.5
at napaka-powerful
14:01.9
ng administration
14:02.7
during the midterm.
14:20.3
yung administration,
14:24.9
wala akong nakikitang
14:31.1
may tanong ko lang.
14:33.7
to have an Aquino
14:45.3
to have an Aquino
14:50.4
kaya dun for them?
14:56.3
dun sa kanyang ama
14:59.6
in terms of numbers,
15:01.0
wala pa akong nakikita
15:11.5
sa administration.
15:13.2
meron silang value added.
15:15.1
ilang buwan na lang eh.
15:16.0
Hindi ganong kadali
15:16.8
na ipamprime yan eh.
15:19.1
yun yung kung kung
15:20.0
una yung numbers.
15:22.6
vulnerability eh.
15:24.1
Pwede yung maging
15:27.8
yung Aquino brand
15:29.1
for six years eh.
15:31.7
At hanggang ngayon,
15:33.1
kaya walang value added
15:34.4
yung brand na yan
15:35.5
ay dahil nga na-demonize.
15:39.5
in the next few months.
15:43.2
ano ba yung value added
15:44.2
after na-demonize
15:47.2
vulnerable pa eh.
15:48.6
Sabi na nga ba eh.
16:05.3
emotional election issue
16:07.1
yung West Philippine Sea,
16:09.5
yung foreign policy,
16:11.1
hindi siya value added
16:12.9
Parang sabi mo kasi,
16:14.7
team Pilipinas eh.
16:18.0
yun yung tingin ko
16:19.8
yung pinakamalaking
16:23.0
within the next few months,
16:29.5
at saka yung administration.
16:31.4
Laban sa mga Duterte
16:32.7
na clearly pro-China.
16:35.1
pero at this point,
16:45.2
Nagsisimula pa lang eh.
16:49.0
At last point on this
16:49.9
before we go to the
16:52.3
dahil meron tayong
16:54.9
of 100 most influential
16:58.0
We have to discuss that.
16:59.1
There's no way na
16:59.7
hindi natin tatapusin
17:01.9
without acknowledging
17:02.7
the fantastic contribution.
17:06.2
influencers dapat.
17:07.9
before we go there,
17:13.6
the worst case scenario
17:16.2
tapos kay BBM ka pa,
17:17.7
ma-morally compromised ka pa.
17:20.0
there's also that risk
17:24.5
tapos makompromise ka pa
17:28.0
lose-lose ka dyan.
17:30.5
rather go and lose
17:31.8
with honor, right?
17:34.1
I stood by my convictions
17:35.9
fight another day
17:36.9
because he's young
17:37.7
and he has a lot of potential.
17:43.0
for the sake of argument,
17:44.6
just kahit may ganong
17:45.6
klaseng inclination
17:47.0
na hindi ko nakikita
17:49.6
klaseng inclination,
17:50.9
I doubt kung yung
17:54.0
ganong inclination.
17:58.1
Thank you so much on that.
17:59.7
I think this will set it down
18:01.2
and short episode.
18:03.1
kasi hundred most
18:06.2
sa pag-usapan natin.
