01:05.7
In so many words, sabi niya, ay bad chat na sakin yan.
01:09.6
And of course, ang paliwanag niya, na bad trip siya syempre dahil umattend yung VP Sara Duterte
01:14.6
doon sa isang rally kung saan winawak-wak yung asawa niya.
01:18.8
Tinawag na bangag. So sabi niya, she crossed the line.
01:22.6
So yan ang pag-uusapan natin.
01:24.3
Tinan natin, sino ba rito yung nagko-control ng naratibo so far?
01:28.1
And what does that mean?
01:28.7
And what does that mean?
01:28.8
And what does that mean?
01:28.8
And what does that mean?
01:28.9
And what does that mean when you talk about, let's say, the First Lady who has no official functions in the government
01:34.0
pero bilang asawa ng Presidente, of course, the First Lady can wield immense powers.
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Okay? So tinan natin, bubusisiin po natin yan.
01:43.4
Ang in-invite ko pong guest for tonight ay isang veteranong political and campaign strategists.
01:48.4
Okay? At doon po sa mga, baka nakalimutan nyo na, no?
01:52.1
Naalala nyo po ba, magdadalawang taon na tayo, malapit na po natin i-celebrate ang ating second anniversary
01:57.9
ng ating Fox First Live Episodes, if you still remember.
02:02.6
So in the few days, we will celebrate that.
02:04.8
Kaya nga, sinusuot ko na yung bagong t-shirt eh.
02:08.6
At alam nyo po ba, itong guest natin yung ngayong gabi, siya yung kauna-unahang guest natin
02:13.6
when we held our very first Fox First Live Episodes.
02:17.7
So I'd like to welcome to our program, si Mr. Alan Herman.
02:21.4
Siya po ay ang tinatawag na Presidente or Persuasion Specialist ng Agents International.
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Maraming salamat, Alan, and thank you for joining us again dito sa Fox First.
02:32.6
Good evening, Ian, at sa lahat ng ating mga Foxnatics, ano, I'm so honored and time flies when you're having fun, di ba, boss?
02:39.6
Ayan ang sabi nila and it warms my heart that it has been two years since that maiden episode.
02:46.6
Tantan-tanda ako yung episode na yan, gusot na gusot yung t-shirt ko nang ginest mo ako.
02:50.6
We are going strong. Foxnatics are gaining momentum.
02:56.6
And thankfully, there's been some sort of bandwagon effect.
03:00.3
More people are appearing to value facts nowadays more than opinions, thankfully, dahil sa mga programang katulad nito.
03:09.3
At alam mo, sa kahit anong panahon, alam mong kailangan natin ngayon, Christian,
03:14.3
unang-una, kailangan natin, pag ganito kainit ang panahon, yung mga preskong t-shirt katulad ng suot mo.
03:18.9
At sa mga manonood, huwag po natin kalimutan uminom ng tubig.
03:26.6
Ang kailangan natin inumin pag ganito kainit ang panahon.
03:30.6
Buti ka po, pero kung mag-ako, wala eh.
03:33.7
Pero salamat Alan, naalala mo yun, ikaw yung very very first guest ko dito sa Fox First Live.
03:41.7
That was a momentous day for me.
03:45.6
When I write my memoirs, that will have a chapter na ako ang kauna-una ang guest dito sa Fox.
03:52.5
Pero maraming salamat sa iyo.
03:54.1
Yung time na yun, sabi ko, I needed a very good conversation.
03:56.6
With someone who was actually in the know.
03:59.2
Kasi ang konteksto nun, kaya ka tininvite.
04:01.4
Diba, with what happened with sa ANC.
04:03.3
Sabi ko, nabihitin ako eh.
04:04.8
Nasa kalagitnaan ng coverage and public discourse about the upcoming 2022 elections.
04:11.0
Ang panahon na yun.
04:11.6
Sabi ko, I needed someone like you for that kind of conversation.
04:14.9
And thank you for accepting my invitation at that time.
04:19.6
Well, that was very sudden, no?
04:21.8
Mabilis ang mga pangyayari nun.
04:23.3
And look where we are now, diba?
04:24.7
So, perhaps, in a moment, we'll be able to talk about the election.
04:24.7
So, perhaps, in a moment, we'll be able to talk about the election.
04:24.8
So, perhaps, in a moment, we'll be able to talk about the election.
04:24.8
So, perhaps, in a moment of philosophical introspection,
04:29.4
siguro our viewers can also realize that, you know,
04:33.2
when doors shut and when tides change,
04:36.3
sometimes it leads us to better shores.
04:39.0
Iba talaga yung Alan Germano.
04:41.2
Kaya antagal na sa industry na eh,
04:44.6
when it comes to political and campaign strategy.
04:47.5
Pero, yun, fantastic.
04:50.2
Una-una, gusto ko mag-sorry dun sa mga
04:53.7
ibang faithful manonood mo, no?
04:56.8
Kasi, nung pinost mo yung teaser sa,
04:59.1
nung pinost yung teaser sa Pax First Page,
05:02.5
lumabas yung mga comments,
05:03.9
naglabasan, yan, can't wait.
05:06.0
We can't wait to hear what Seclamas has to say about this issue.
05:10.2
Ayan na, maririnig na natin si Seclamas.
05:13.4
So, sa mga na-disappoint,
05:15.2
hindi po si Seclamas ang guest ngayon.
05:17.9
Good evening, sir.
05:19.1
And I hope you're watching, as always.
05:21.4
Maraming salamat.
05:23.7
I will have to play a very, very far second fiddle to you tonight, sir.
05:29.3
Mas magaling po itong guest natin ngayong gabi.
05:31.4
Di hamak na mas magaling.
05:33.6
At pag nagtanggal ng salamin,
05:35.5
ayan, hindi nalalaftrip si Ian Esguerra.
05:40.2
Pwede mo itanggal ng salamin.
05:42.2
Kasi ang konteksto na may nag-alit dati,
05:44.1
galit na galit talaga nung tinanggal yung salamin.
05:48.6
May nanonood, oh, si Eugene Killer.
05:56.6
Eugene Toad Killer.
05:58.7
One of the loyal Paxnatics na ano naman,
06:02.3
masasabi kong isang intelihenting manonood.
06:06.5
He who writes in impeccable English.
06:09.5
And speaks, and speaks in impeccable English.
06:16.4
Sige, simulan na natin ito, Alan.
06:19.3
Ano bang pag-uusapan natin?
06:22.3
Alam mo, alam mo, yung title kasi, yung banner title mo, Bad Blood.
06:26.9
Siguro, mas angkot, Bad Shot.
06:29.4
That seems to be the pervasive term nowadays, di ba?
06:35.0
Ayan, ito, Bad Shot.
06:36.9
O, sige, Bad Shot.
06:38.1
O, Bad Shot na eh.
06:39.4
Bad Shot na raw si VP Sara kay First Lady Lisa Araneta Marcos.
06:44.7
Ito yung tanong ko sa iyo, no?
06:45.6
Kasi veterano ka ng ganyan, no?
06:47.5
You handle political communications also.
06:51.0
So, bago ko tanong ngayon yung sagot ni VP Sara dito sa mga sinabi ng First Lady,
06:56.8
let's talk about the timing of that.
06:59.1
Paano ba usually hinahanda yung ganyan?
07:01.1
Kasi hindi naman siguro all of a sudden na naisip ng First Lady.
07:04.8
Gusto ko makapag-usap sa isang Anthony Taberna.
07:09.8
Hindi ko na dinasabi kung ano siya, no?
07:11.4
Pero, I mean, hindi naman siguro nagising isang umaga si First Lady.
07:20.3
Gusto ko magpa-interview.
07:21.8
At doon ko kaaminin na may Bad Blood or may Bad Shot na sa akin si VP.
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Yung ganyan, paano ba hinahanda yan?
07:27.2
And what do you think of that timing?
07:30.4
Tamang-tama ka, Ian.
07:31.6
We are exposing the soft underbelly of our trade, no?
07:36.4
And to a veteran journalist like Ian, these things scream out, no?
07:42.2
Pero para sa mga mananood natin, this involves data.
07:47.0
Ang unang tinitignan dyan, data.
07:48.6
Siguro, and again, I am absolutely not involved in this in any way, shape, or form.
07:55.6
This is all speculation.
07:57.9
Ano lang sa akin to, no?
07:59.7
Postulate lang ito sa akin.
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Best educated guess ko to.
08:03.1
Siguro nakita nila sa data, sa mga indices, na number one, the First Lady is an effective multiplier for the President.
08:14.1
Number two, maybe there was a need.
08:18.6
Lumabas ang mga studies nila that there needs to be a softening or a more authentic image being sent out by Malacanang.
08:30.4
A message of authenticity.
08:32.4
Perhaps, yun yung mga lumabas sa kanilang mga findings.
08:36.1
And they needed to connect with a more mass base, especially the First Lady.
08:43.7
Kasi, number one, they chose Anthony Taberna as a medium.
08:48.6
Who, well, again, let's not use any adjectives to describe Kato Nying.
08:53.8
Kato Nying, mabuhay ka, boss.
08:56.3
Pero, alam naman natin na si Kato Nying will be very kind to his guests, so to speak.
09:04.8
And, you know, love the easy ones and not be too hard on his guests.
09:11.3
This is more of a feature than it is an interview.
09:14.5
Number two, his mass base is undeniable.
09:17.5
And number three,
09:18.6
which, by the way, tumatak.
09:21.9
I'll get to that later, siguro, pag naitanong mo.
09:24.5
Tumatak yung narrative na ito ay isang asawa, isang mabuting may bahay,
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na dinedefend ang kanyang asawa.
09:32.9
This is a wife defending her husband who is being attacked.
09:36.7
Who is being, sabihin na natin yung word, no?
09:39.5
Na binastos yung kanyang asawa.
09:42.1
Kaya, ito ang isang mabuting misis na pinagtatanggol ang kanyang asawa.
09:47.0
Which, our quick read, actually,
09:48.6
was able to detect na tumatak.
09:53.5
But more on that later, siguro.
09:55.4
Pero tumatak yung message na yun.
09:59.0
There's a lot of data and study that goes into this, boss.
10:02.2
Hindi nila ginagawa ko ng basta-basta.
10:05.4
In short, hindi dito, ano, spur of the moment, yung naisip lang.
10:07.8
Gusto ko magpa-interview, maglasalita ako.
10:09.8
Okay, let's talk about the value.
10:11.7
Pati yung hairstyle niya, pati yung manner of speaking, all of that.
10:15.7
If I were part of that comms team,
10:23.8
Pati background lighting, maglalagay ba tayo ng halaman,
10:27.3
saan ang part ng buhok,
10:30.0
naka-pants ba o naka-vestida.
10:32.9
Lahat yan, may persuasion elements yan lahat.
10:38.1
E yung ano, yung mga tanong,
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screened ba yan or, kumbaga, scripted ba yung mga tanong?
10:42.6
Alam na ba yung first lady, usually?
10:44.4
Ano lang ito, hindi natin alamin talaga nangyari.
10:46.3
Pero sa mga ganyang galawan,
10:48.6
for something as important as that,
10:51.0
alam ba nung interview we,
10:53.5
yung itatanong ng interviewer?
10:56.7
100%, I can say with near certainty.
11:00.4
Again, hindi naman tayo nagmamarunong
11:02.0
at wala naman tayo doon na nangyari yung interview.
11:04.4
Hindi naman tayo bahagi ng prod team ni Katon Ying.
11:07.1
Pero 100%, they will screen those questions.
11:11.7
And the answers will be deliberated upon.
11:15.0
Again, will be designed, even in language.
11:18.4
May spontaneity ng konti.
11:19.1
Pero 100%, no surprise questions were asked.
11:25.0
This was all part of a very nicely tailored,
11:29.1
it was almost like a feature.
11:30.5
Kumbaga, feature siya.
11:33.2
Kasi sa pagkakaalam ko,
11:35.4
baka naman mali ako, no?
11:37.0
Kasi, di ba dapat pag journalistic yung interview,
11:39.9
dapat hindi alam nung tatanongin mo yung mga itatanong mo.
11:42.8
Di ba ganun ang pagkakaalam ko?
11:44.9
Ako, depende sa medium.
11:46.6
pag mga guest, mga news shows,
11:50.6
mga programang katulad nito.
11:52.9
Alam mo, ako na-invite sa Fox First isang beses eh.
11:56.0
Huwag kayong magulat ah.
11:57.4
Talagang just to show how bad the situation is.
12:00.0
In-invite ako ni Ian Esguerra 15 minutes before the program.
12:03.5
Sabi niya, ikaw na mag-guest.
12:05.1
So yun, talaga hindi ko alam.
12:06.3
Wala akong alam-alam.
12:07.2
Ni topic, wala akong alam eh.
12:08.7
Hindi ko nga alam na magiging guest ako.
12:10.3
Kasi yun, wala na siyang makuha ibang guest.
12:12.3
Nilagay na lang ako.
12:15.9
Hindi ako mag-guest.
12:16.6
Hindi ako mapatawad ka lang.
12:21.0
So, yung mga shows na ganito,
12:22.4
yan talaga, that is a no-no.
12:24.9
That is the line that should not be crossed.
12:28.2
Yung hihingi ka ng,
12:29.2
can I have the questions?
12:31.1
Can I see the questions in advance?
12:34.9
Be kind to me, okay?
12:36.8
You know, that's not done in a straight news program.
12:39.4
But, in all fairness to Anthony Taberna,
12:42.0
I don't think he's positioning that particular show
12:48.1
or as a facts-based show even.
12:53.2
I think it's very obvious that the person he's interviewing
12:56.1
is being featured like a telemagazine.
13:01.6
Tsaka, say what you will about Anthony Taberna.
13:05.2
Yung interview na yun, actually set the tone,
13:08.3
Whatever the motive was, kung ano man yun,
13:10.8
meron siyang matinding journalistic value.
13:13.0
E napare-act nga yung vice president, di ba?
13:15.5
Sa teaser pa lang.
13:17.9
Don't forget, as soon as the teasers came out,
13:21.5
I mean, we're talking about a 30-second clip,
13:24.2
it was the headline the next day.
13:26.3
The next day, it was the headline in all the broadsheets
13:30.1
So, we're not even talking about the interview proper.
13:32.5
So, journalistic value came afterwards.
13:35.8
But, this was a feature.
13:37.7
Mag-feature ka ng isang magazine,
13:40.0
may pictorial ka, ganyan,
13:41.8
sinulat ka, nilabas ka sa cover ng isang glossy.
13:45.5
So, think of it like that, but in live form or in conversational form.
13:49.2
I think that that's the best way to view this.
13:52.1
We're not looking at this with the lens of hard-hitting questions
13:58.1
and answer the issues.
14:00.7
Huwag niyong papanoorin yung scoop sa Netflix.
14:05.0
And then, yung interview exclusive ng BBC.
14:09.6
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:10.7
Huwag niyong papanoorin yun,
14:11.9
tapos tingnan niyo, isipin niyo, dapat ganun pala.
14:14.1
Hindi lagi nangyayari.
14:15.5
Hindi lagi nangyayari in the Philippine context.
14:21.0
Nati-tempt na naman ako humirit, no?
14:22.5
Minsan may thought bubble ako na kailangan ko sabihin, eh.
14:24.6
Pero, hinto muna, hinto muna.
14:26.7
Mamaya ako nahihirit dyan.
14:27.9
Anyway, let's talk about the value of that interview.
14:30.5
Pinahapyawan na muna, no?
14:31.7
Kasi nga, isa rin sa mga naisip ko dito,
14:33.6
bakit biglang pagsasaritain si First Lady at this time?
14:36.4
So, let's talk about her.
14:37.8
Mukha ba siyang secret weapon ng presidente
14:41.2
in terms of responding to the vicious attacks against him?
14:45.5
Dahil siya, medyo subdued yung sagot niya, di ba?
14:48.3
Pero ito, First Lady yung sumagot.
14:50.6
Nagsilipin mo parang secret weapon.
14:52.1
Ito, i-unleash ko na yung weapon ko.
14:55.3
Well, we call that,
14:56.4
secret weapon is a nice colloquial term for it.
14:59.5
Yan ang layman term siguro.
15:01.7
Pero in our practice, we call that a multiplier.
15:04.9
More specifically, a care multiplier.
15:06.8
And yes, she was an effective one.
15:08.7
Dahil pag presidente, pag pangulo,
15:10.7
ang nagsalita, that has ramifications.
15:13.5
That has policy ramifications.
15:15.4
That has policy ramifications.
15:15.5
That has administrative ramifications.
15:18.6
Pag pangulo, nagsabi niya.
15:22.1
So, ilalagay natin in a workplace setting.
15:25.3
Huwag natin kalimutan,
15:26.9
VP Sara concurrently is
15:28.9
the unappointed cabinet official.
15:32.9
Boss niya si Pangulong Marcos, no?
15:36.1
So, in the setting of an office,
15:38.6
iba yung boss na pinagalitan yung empleyado.
15:40.7
Iba yung boss na nagsabing,
15:42.6
kausapin mo nga yung office mate mo,
15:45.1
next time mag-launch kayo,
15:46.8
sabihin mo, hindi ko gusto yung
15:48.3
pagiging late niya parate.
15:51.8
Parang ganun yun.
15:52.7
So, yes, she was an effective care multiplier
15:58.0
Being a civilian.
15:59.3
And yet, wink-wink, nudge-nudge,
16:02.0
alam naman siguro natin lahat,
16:04.4
doesn't have to be the first lady,
16:06.4
pero alam naman natin lahat na tayo mga Pilipino,
16:09.1
nakikinig tayo sa asawa natin.
16:11.9
yung asawa natin sa ating mga katulad.
16:15.1
Malalaki yan, di ba?
16:16.3
May kilala nga ako,
16:18.3
napapunta sa Taylor Swift concert.
16:21.2
Grabe, sino yung mga gumagawa ng ganyan, no?
16:23.6
Hindi ko may imagine na gagawin yan.
16:27.5
Napapunta sa Taylor Swift concert
16:30.2
naging photographer, videographer.
16:32.3
All for the love of, di ba?
16:33.9
Miski walang alam sa kanta, no?
16:36.0
Oo, masusunurin tayo sa ating mga asawa.
16:39.8
that's the secret weapon
16:42.0
slash care multiplier, tama.
16:50.5
Bakit care multiplier?
16:52.3
Ano yung ibig sabihin?
16:52.7
Care stands for, well,
16:54.8
charisma, attractiveness, relatability,
16:58.1
and being extemporaneous.
17:02.3
May bago na naman po tayo natutunan, no?
17:05.7
Nuggets of wisdom.
17:07.4
Nuggets of wisdom.
17:08.5
Hindi lang morsel sa wisdom, eh.
17:10.9
Kasi yung morsel, ano lang yan, mga...
17:12.9
Mumu lang yan, mumu.
17:13.9
Ibigyan ko kayo ng ibang, ano,
17:16.3
ng ibang example.
17:18.6
Isipin po natin si Sen. Robin Hood Padilla,
17:20.8
ang paboritong senador ng ating host, no?
17:24.0
Idola po natin yan.
17:26.9
Nagsusuklay tayo ng, ano, no?
17:28.5
Bigote sa Senado.
17:30.5
You think about the role his wife plays,
17:34.3
effective care multiplier.
17:36.9
So, she is able to multiply
17:38.5
his charisma, attractiveness, relatability,
17:41.8
and his being extemporaneous.
17:43.9
Sa sari-sarili tayo.
17:46.4
Nag-succeed ba naman ba si First Lady
17:48.5
as a care multiplier for the President?
17:52.2
I don't wanna, I don't wanna reveal too much
17:55.1
because baka magalit sa akin ng ating data science team.
17:59.9
Boss, bakit mo naman na nire-reveal ang ating mga data
18:05.7
But we found out, based on quick read and quick sentiment scan,
18:10.9
alam mo, tumatak yung message ni Flavio.
18:13.9
Alam ni First Lady Lisa Araneta Marcos
18:17.0
dun sa wife defending the husband.
18:20.7
Talagang maraming nag-react.
18:22.8
Sabi nila, yan o.
18:24.0
Yan ang tamang gawain ng isang mabuting may bahay.
18:26.9
Dinedefend ang kanyang asawa.
18:30.6
She's approachable.
18:32.4
Para lang siyang, she's like one of us.
18:35.0
Any wife would do that.
18:36.9
But, there's a qualifier.
18:39.4
Sa AB, tumatak yun.
18:42.0
Sa Class AB, tumatak yun.
18:44.4
That was the finding, at least on our data end.
18:47.8
That was the impression that the socioeconomic Class AB got.
18:52.8
We'll see if that trickles down because of Tonying.
18:56.4
Baka naman dahil si Tonying yung medium,
18:59.7
baka mapascade din yun sa CDE.
19:03.1
But so far, based on the data we're getting,
19:05.1
because it's very new,
19:08.0
the issue's very, very fresh.
19:09.7
So far, from the data we're getting,
19:11.2
mukhang the AB talagang tatak-tatatak.
19:13.9
Yung mensahe na, wow, that's a typical wife defending her husband.
19:20.5
How about yung delivery ng message?
19:22.4
Kasi sabi mo, curated lahat yan.
19:24.0
Normally, hindi natin alam kung ito talaga yung nangyari dyan.
19:26.4
Pero, si Alan, kasi meron siya extensive experience to talk about this.
19:30.8
Hindi ito yung basa-basa, hinugot lang sa hangin.
19:33.3
So, yung messaging, the way it was delivered by the First Lady,
19:36.4
mukha bang effective din?
19:38.0
Kasi baka naman sa iba, baka naman na turn of iba,
19:40.7
sinasabi parang ano, konyo-konyo masyado yung salita niya.
19:44.7
In fact, that is the term, no?
19:48.3
Ian just dated himself.
19:50.1
Para sa mga hindi na nakakaintindi,
19:51.8
this is a very 90s term, no?
19:54.6
Yung mga konyo kids.
19:56.6
What that means is, you know, the country club set.
19:59.8
The privilege set who, you know, tend to use,
20:03.5
you know, let's make tusok-tusok the fish balls.
20:07.2
Let's make baka, don't be takot.
20:08.9
Yan, di ba? Yan yung mga konyo to.
20:11.6
I would have tempered that.
20:13.9
But in the end, it was, I mean,
20:16.7
if you had made her naman
20:18.0
too, you know, makata,
20:21.6
Chis Escudero, excuse me.
20:24.6
Kung bigla siya naging Chis Escudero.
20:25.4
Parang Chis Oros.
20:26.4
Parang Chis Oros.
20:29.2
Parang Chis Oros.
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It would have been inauthentic.
20:32.6
So, they probably tempered that in as much as they could.
20:36.9
Siguro, again, this is all guesswork, no?
20:40.9
Mawalang galang kay Katon Ying, but
20:42.5
I would ascertain that there were a lot of takes.
20:46.3
There were a lot of, maybe there were a few instances na
20:48.8
they looked at it and they reviewed it and
20:50.9
medyo masyadong konyotik yung dating.
20:53.3
So, maybe they reshot it.
20:54.6
Some of the, ano,
20:57.2
the quick answer to your question, Ian, is
20:59.0
that's probably as good as we'll get from
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from First Lady Lisa Araneta Marcos.
21:05.1
Usually, ganyan ba pag ganyang kalaki interview,
21:07.5
let's say from the end of the First Lady.
21:09.4
Again, hindi natin sinasabing ito yung nangyari.
21:12.5
you as a communicator,
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political communicator,
21:15.3
pinaprep niyo yung subject,
21:17.6
yung interviewee,
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pinapractice ba yan,
21:20.2
yung anticipated questions,
21:23.8
Ano yung sa baseball metaphor,
21:32.2
One of my most famous,
21:33.8
one of my most famous clients,
21:36.1
kasi we put them through the gauntlet.
21:42.5
matching in monitors
21:44.3
about two days before the interview.
21:46.3
Kasi day before the interview,
21:47.4
dapat rest na yan eh.
21:48.4
Bullet points na lang yan.
21:50.0
But about two, three days before the interview,
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we do that, we do a mock-up.
21:53.2
One of my most famous clients,
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I will never forget,
21:55.6
nung mock-up interview,
21:57.6
habang ini-interview siya,
22:00.1
Dahil, yung pala,
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para makalmado siya,
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uminom ng Valium.
22:03.5
So, habang ginagawa namin yung mock-up interview,
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rapid fire questions,
22:08.9
rapid fire, biglang nakatulog.
22:13.5
Kilala ko ba yan?
22:14.5
Kilala, kilalang kilala ito.
22:16.5
Famous person ito.
22:19.5
She is a very famous personality.
22:22.5
She is a very famous personality.
22:24.5
Tumak mo sa pagkasenador?
22:28.5
A very famous private individual
22:30.5
who likes to get herself
22:32.5
into controversy.
22:34.5
But, we were prepping her.
22:36.5
I will message you, iyan.
22:38.5
Okay, message naman ako.
22:39.5
Medyo nabibiti na ako eh.
22:42.0
Kasi muna natin itong interview na ito.
22:43.0
I-resume na lang natin.
22:45.0
Parang hindi ko yata kaya mag-proceed
22:47.0
without that void being filled.
22:50.0
Mababa ang EQ niya.
22:53.0
Ako yung bata, kinain talaga yung cookie.
22:58.0
I hope the people got that reference
23:00.0
of the cookie test.
23:01.0
Yung mga trolls, palagay ko,
23:03.0
nagkakamot ulo na naman.
23:05.0
Ano naman cookie pinagsasabi nito si Esguerra?
23:10.0
Pakibagalan yung pagsasabi.
23:11.0
Troll ang kausap.
23:13.0
Medyo baka mabagal ang pick up.
23:16.0
Yan po yung kinakain.
23:28.0
The lighting is prep.
23:29.0
The outfit, sometimes it doesn't translate.
23:36.0
Oh, nawala ba si Alan?
23:39.0
Siya ba'y nawala?
23:40.0
Siya ba'y nawala?
23:41.0
Ako nawala si Alan Herman.
23:50.0
Comment naman kung okay ako sa inyo.
23:53.0
Baka ako'y nawala eh.
23:55.0
Nandyan pa ba ako sa inyo?
24:01.0
Si Alan yan nawala.
24:03.0
I was kicked out.
24:07.0
Nabadshot ako kay Ian Esguerra.
24:09.0
Pinapindot ba ako?
24:10.0
Wala akong ginagawa.
24:12.0
I was kicked out, man.
24:14.0
I crossed the line.
24:16.0
I crossed the line.
24:21.0
Bad shot na sa akin ng si Esguerra.
24:27.0
Ano pinag-uusapan natin?
24:31.0
It takes all sorts to fill up this medium.
24:33.0
It takes all sorts to fill up this medium.
24:34.0
It takes all sorts to fill up this medium.
24:35.0
It takes all sorts to fill up this medium.
24:36.0
It takes all sorts to fill up this medium.
24:37.0
It takes all sorts to fill up this medium.
24:38.0
It takes all sorts to fill up this medium.
24:39.0
It takes all sorts to fill up this medium.
24:40.0
So, fill up this…
24:41.0
This media landscape talaga eh.
24:42.0
Nangyari na sa akin yung 10 minutes before 9 bita, ngayon nakikot bilang nga.
24:47.0
Nakatraso ko talaga rin.
24:48.0
In the box, personal nangyari ito.
24:51.0
Ano pinag-uusapan na?
24:54.0
Baka second question ko natin eh.
24:57.0
Isusugin ko kong sinetatanong.
24:58.0
How did you fare?
25:01.0
Personally, I thought the interview was, ah…
25:07.0
Ito yung term. May hili ka sa idiomatic expressions. I think she put her heart on her sleeve. She wore her heart on her sleeve. And it translated in terms of giving a new, I'm using my words very carefully, it allowed people to see another dimension to the First Lady.
25:29.8
Kasi ang First Lady, ang common tao, wala naman silang encounter sa First Lady. Kung hindi ko ano yung nakikita nila sa media na she's accompanying the President, pictures, she's throwing a ball in Malacanang, etc.
25:46.3
Pero ito, they were able to get a glimpse into what she is like as a wife, as a partner to the President. So I think it was effective.
25:56.6
Oo nga. Although may isang comment lang siya yung para mabait yung mga.
25:59.8
Anak niya. Wala naman daw, ano, wala naman daw tato.
26:03.2
Mga nakita ko nag-comment.
26:04.9
Ah, sabang may tato pala, masamang tao.
26:07.5
Although dated kasi yung ganyang perspective, diba? Nadidilig natin yun sa mga tito, lolo, lolo lang yung unang panahon eh.
26:14.8
In fact, alam mo, dati, ang sinasabi nila, diba, yung mga, sorry for the term, pero yung mga squatting lang, yung mga ano, may tato.
26:23.6
On the contrary, nowadays, 2021, apa, napakamahal ng tato.
26:27.6
Pag may tato ka, may pera ka.
26:29.8
Saka yung Japanese, ang ganda-ganda ng artwork mo, yung Japanese tattoo.
26:35.1
Correct, correct. So ako, yan, ano, no, pag magpatato ako, kilay lang, ipapatato ko. Yan.
26:41.6
Huwag, kasi may kalala akong politiko, nagpatato ng kilay.
26:47.5
Mukha mataray, mukha mataray.
26:50.0
Ang pangit. Eh, lalaki pa naman.
26:54.9
Alam mo, alam mo, meron tayong hashtag na noholding back eh. Masyado talagang sinasapulong.
26:59.8
Gusto ko nitong host natin eh.
27:01.6
Hindi, hindi bagay eh. Mukha nakinig sa asawa eh. Tama ba?
27:05.0
Are we thinking of the same person?
27:07.1
Alam na, alam na. I know exactly who you're talking about.
27:10.0
Pero bagay naman sa skinny jeans niya, to be fair.
27:13.8
Hindi, parang, parang pogi na naman dati eh.
27:19.0
Relatively pogi na dati, hindi lang bagay.
27:21.3
Eh lang, not my, you know, not my cup of tea.
27:24.5
Eh, not your cup of tea. Not my mug of water.
27:29.8
Grabe, mga nanghuhula rito. Wala naman akong binabanggit na pangalan kayo talaga.
27:35.4
Okay. Ah, sige. Ito yung next question.
27:38.5
So, inunleashed, tama ba? If that's a term that I can use loosely.
27:42.9
So, mukha inunleashed yung first lady.
27:44.9
And sabi mo nga, personally, mukha okay naman yung performance.
27:48.4
Now, can the president still afford to deny?
27:53.1
Oh, wala akong kanalaman dyan. Opinion ni first lady yan.
27:57.3
Officially, of course, he can. Absolutely.
27:59.0
In fact, I expect him to.
28:01.4
I expect him to say that because, again, his position has gravitas eh.
28:08.9
May weight and gravitas bilang pangulo.
28:11.9
And I expect him to.
28:13.2
Pero, syempre, wink-wink, nudge-nudge, in the same way sinasabi natin na wala namang away ang Marcos Duterte dati,
28:20.0
alam naman natin lahat, we're not born yesterday.
28:22.5
Or hindi naman na, hindi naman na, hindi naman na binigyan ng basbas
28:27.5
ng Marcos administration, yung away, nung inatake si VP Inday.
28:33.5
So, I mean, we're not born yesterday, we know what's under the curtain,
28:37.2
but he does have that luxury of officially denying.
28:40.8
So, yung value nun, may deniability, kasi hindi naman official member ng official family yung nag-deny.
28:47.1
Eh, kaso, talagang member ng family.
28:50.5
A care multiplier.
28:53.0
Can you reasonably believe that, diba?
28:54.9
That's the value of having a multiplier.
28:57.5
Ikaw, pero alter ego mo, aspect mo.
29:00.5
So, ginawa na yan, effective tool talaga ng politiko ang multiplier.
29:05.7
Puntahan natin yung sagot ni Vice President Sara Duterte.
29:08.8
So, hindi naman niya sinabi no comment, tulad nung tinanong siya tungkol dun sa pambubuli ng China sa West Philippine Sea.
29:16.0
Hindi naman no comment po yung sagot niya.
29:17.4
Sabi lang niya, bilang tao karapatan ni unang ginang Lisa Marcos, na makaramdam ng sama ng loob at galit.
29:24.1
Subalit, ang kanyang personal na damdamin ay walang kinalaman.
29:27.5
Sa aking mandato bilang opisyal ng pamahalaan.
29:31.4
Tapos, tinuloy niya po pa, ito, sabi niya.
29:34.7
Upang makausad tayo, iiwan na natin ang isang pribadong pag-uusap sa bagitan lamang namin ni Pangulong Bongbong Marcos Jr.
29:42.2
At ang mga susunod, ang mga susunod na hakbang.
29:47.0
Okay ba yung sagot niya?
29:49.2
Nagmamahal, Christian. Grabe.
29:52.4
Yes, Ma'am Charo.
29:57.5
Parang nakakalimutang aking puso.
30:00.5
Eh kasi walang kabuhay-buhay yung delivery niya sa video eh. Napanood mo ba? Walang buhay eh.
30:05.7
You said it, not me.
30:10.0
Anyway, sige. Erase muna yung sinabi ko.
30:12.4
What do you think of that response?
30:15.0
Okay, I have to say, textbook wise, and from the lens of a communicator, I have to give five stars.
30:27.5
Ang sakit sa mga tenga at sa puso ng ating mga Vaxnatics at mga manonood.
30:33.5
But I have to call it the way I see it.
30:36.6
Based on my supposed expertise and position as a communicator,
30:42.7
she hit all the right notes.
30:44.7
Na tickbox na lahat.
30:47.2
I would have made some minor tweaks if I had had anything to do with that
30:53.2
or if I had been in a position to advise her, which I'm not.
30:56.7
But I would have made some minor tweaks.
30:59.1
Pero all in all, sa usapang kalye, na tiyani, na kana, na tumbuk.
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Nadali. Nadali lahat ng tickbox.
31:12.8
Unang-una, na flex niya.
31:15.3
Well, number one, sorry.
31:16.5
Alam ko ito yung mga naantay ni Ian na isgera ng mga nuggets of wisdom ko eh.
31:20.8
Unang-una, meron tayong ruling crisis communications.
31:24.5
Which is, when you are...
31:26.7
When you are put on the spotlight, you turn on the floodlights.
31:31.6
That's ano. Or turn on the house lights, rather.
31:34.4
That's a very, very sacred rule in crisis communications.
31:38.1
Pag nasa yung spotlight, ikaw lang gagawin mo, bubuksan mo lahat ng ilaw.
31:43.0
Big picture. Para ma-diffuse.
31:47.0
Diba? She did that.
31:48.3
Wait, we're referring to Vice President Sara Duterte ah?
31:53.5
She said the country has bigger problems.
31:55.8
Meron tayong problema.
31:57.6
Meron tayong problema sa unemployment.
32:00.7
So, she made the issue bigger.
32:02.9
Eh, ba't na-comment ka sa China?
32:04.3
Ay, sorry, sorry.
32:05.1
Tuloy lang, tuloy lang.
32:06.7
So, that's turning on the floodlights.
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Or the house lights.
32:09.9
Number two, in that statement, she was able to flex her being elected by the majority.
32:17.5
Yun yung isang tweak na if I had written that statement or if I had advised her, which I did not.
32:24.3
That's my qualifier.
32:25.5
I keep on saying it.
32:27.8
But, I would have emphasized and differentiated elected from appointed.
32:34.6
Kasi iba po yung elected, iba yung appointed.
32:36.9
Elected, she has every right to flex that.
32:41.1
Hashtag, fax first.
32:44.0
She did get more votes than the president.
32:47.8
She does have the mandate of the people.
32:50.3
So, she was able to flex her being elected by the majority.
32:54.3
She was able to, I don't want to say,
32:56.6
rub it in the first lady's face.
32:59.2
That's a terrible way to phrase it.
33:01.0
Pero, she was able to flex na, ako, official, civilian nga lang.
33:06.7
My conversation is not with you.
33:08.3
My conversation is with the president.
33:10.5
Tayo mo, para ba nga na yan?
33:11.7
Para ba nga na yan?
33:14.1
Oo, siya pinasang statement na yan, di ba?
33:16.4
Parang na-who you ba siya?
33:19.9
She was able to turn it around na, excuse me, hindi po tayo nag-uusap.
33:23.3
I mean, I'm using the colloquial translation.
33:26.6
I'm rephrasing, I'm paraphrasing.
33:28.6
Hindi po ito sinabi ni VP Inday.
33:30.7
Pero, in a way, ang sinabi niya is,
33:32.6
Madam First Lady, hindi tayo nag-uusap dahil ikaw civilian.
33:37.1
Ako elected and appointed official.
33:39.7
Ang dapat mag-uusap dito, kami ng asawa mo.
33:42.7
Dahil siya pangulo.
33:44.3
So, she was able to kind of rub that in First Lady's face, no?
33:49.4
And turn that na-IKEA niya.
33:52.8
And, you know, she...
33:56.6
She did not fall into the no-comment trap.
33:58.6
Because, again, kung nakikinig man ang mga advisors ni communication advisors ni VP Inday Sara,
34:09.8
pasensyahan na po, I will channel my inner Ian Esguerra for three seconds.
34:17.1
That no-comment BS has got to stop, man.
34:19.6
That no-comment BS has got to stop.
34:22.1
Because no-comment is the comment.
34:26.6
Isa sa rule of journalism niya, among journalists, and Ian knows this rule well.
34:31.2
In fact, I heard it from him in one of his talks.
34:34.5
No-comment is the comment.
34:37.2
O yan, may free advice kayo from D. Alan Herman.
34:41.9
Teka, so ano, how would you rate?
34:44.1
Sabi mo, maganda yung performance ni First Lady dun sa kanyang sarili interview.
34:49.5
So, was this own performance by the First Lady video message short and sweet?
34:56.6
With the Bisaya translation or Cebuano?
35:01.5
Was this as effective or better than the performance of the First Lady?
35:06.6
In terms of one-upmanship, I have to say, well-played communications perspective po.
35:14.4
Bago magalit, bago ako itroll ng mga troll, at bago mahulog ang mga ngalangala ng ating mga loyal Paxnatics.
35:23.4
I'm speaking from a communications lens.
35:25.5
That was a brilliant, brilliant parry and counter by the VP.
35:33.1
And I would have to say, if it ends there, as it should, she got the last word, and she delivered all, she checked all the right boxes.
35:42.9
Kung sumugot ba yung First Lady, pangit ba, no?
35:45.8
Hindi na, hindi na. I would not advise.
35:48.4
Kasi humirit na si VP Sara na short of say.
35:55.5
Ma'am, civilian ka.
35:59.3
Hindi dapat tayo nag-uusap.
36:00.9
You're entitled to your opinion as a civilian.
36:03.3
But the conversation is between me and the President.
36:06.4
Natama naman ako.
36:08.3
Ito naman ang isa opinion ko.
36:11.0
Teka lang, ipapaliwanag ko lang.
36:12.4
Kasi dito, kailangan ipapaliwanag laging konteksto.
36:14.9
Dahil may mga nanonood na panag-comment ako, akala, oh, ba't pinagtatanggal mo si Sara?
36:19.1
Oh, ba't pinagtatanggal mo si Marcos?
36:22.2
Tungkuna rin kasi nagsalita si First Lady nung sinabi niya,
36:24.5
na bad shot na sa akin yan.
36:26.0
Parang naisip ko, hmm, Vice President to eh.
36:30.3
Eh, hindi ka naman elected.
36:31.6
Asawa ka ng President eh, pero hindi ka elected.
36:33.6
Parang masyado yata mataas yung dating for you to say na bad shot na sa akin yung Vice President.
36:39.6
So ito, na-turn around ni Vice President with her response.
36:46.9
Again, I'm reading the comments and you know, it's fair.
36:50.2
Marami nagsasabi, oh, maka-VP ang guest mo.
36:53.3
Ah, anong brilliant doon?
36:55.8
Um, again, I have to say, I am guested in Fox First.
37:00.4
Ah, daming disclaimer eh, no?
37:02.0
Ah, nag-poncho pilato bigla yung Alan eh, no?
37:04.8
Pero hindi, I'm just saying, para doon sa mga nagko-comment,
37:08.9
ah, I am, I have guested on this show based on my expertise as a communicator.
37:15.8
So, the political ramifications, the ano, ibang usapan po yan.
37:23.3
Thank you, Donski.
37:26.0
Ang natataang sagot ko sa mga tanong is based on the lens of a communicator.
37:31.7
So, when I say she ticked all the right boxes, hindi ko sinasabing makagaling niya.
37:36.4
For all you know, may nagsulat nun.
37:38.2
For all you know, maybe she was reading a script.
37:41.3
Kasi hindi naman live interview, diba?
37:43.3
Maybe she might have had a prompter.
37:46.0
But, um, full stop looking at the boxes that her reply ticked.
37:53.3
Na-check niya lahat ng box.
37:56.9
Hindi ko may prompter.
37:58.8
Tega mo na, may comment ko.
38:00.1
Shout out na, Ronald Holmes.
38:01.9
Mukhang si Ronnie Holmes to, ah.
38:04.0
Pahingi mo ng ano, pahingi mo ng sashimi na masarap.
38:07.3
Alam mo, yan si...
38:08.4
Yan si Ronald Holmes.
38:10.4
Yan ang pinakamasarap magbigay ng advice pag nasa Japan ka.
38:13.8
Dahil kabisadong-kabisadong niya lahat ng mga...
38:17.2
ng mga secret locations that only the locals know.
38:22.2
Yan problema lang sa mga...
38:23.1
mga ganyan, kaya Ronnie Holmes.
38:24.4
Yung post ng post ng mga nilulutin na ng Japanese food,
38:28.2
wala namang patikim.
38:29.3
Eh, ang pasabihan dyan,
38:30.6
to quote a wise man,
38:32.1
by the name of Christian Esguerra,
38:34.2
the proof of the posting is in the inkling.
38:37.4
Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
38:38.7
The proof of the posting.
38:39.0
Hindi pwedeng ganun lang yan.
38:40.6
Di man lang nagaya.
38:41.6
Wala. Kahit last minute, di man lang nagaya.
38:43.8
Di pwedeng ganun-ganun lang yan.
38:45.3
Wala. Kaya, misan, ayaw kong ano yan.
38:47.0
Ayaw kong ilike yan, eh.
38:48.6
Anong gagawin ko rito?
38:49.9
Makakain ko ba yung larawan sa Facebook?
38:53.9
Nananawagan po kami kay Mr. Ronnie Holmes.
38:56.6
Unasan mo rin kayo.
38:57.7
Sana po ay ipatikim nyo sa amin yung mga pinopost.
39:01.7
mababad shot kayo kay Christian Esguerra.
39:04.6
Oh, bad shot na sa akin yan.
39:08.1
Bad shot na sa akin yan.
39:14.1
Hindi, pero tingin ko, ano yan, ah.
39:17.2
Sige, sige, sige, sige.
39:18.2
Himayin natin yung performance naman.
39:21.6
Nung messaging na yun.
39:22.9
it's one thing to
39:25.2
the substance of the message.
39:29.3
the way it should be delivered.
39:31.7
What do you think of that
39:38.6
the vice president is
39:42.5
she will never strike anybody
39:44.4
as warm and friendly.
39:47.0
I mean, she's a very imposing
39:49.0
authoritative figure
39:55.4
that's the best we could have,
39:56.7
that's the best the team could have done.
40:01.6
if I had anything to do with it,
40:03.9
I would have probably
40:04.8
encouraged her to add a little warmth
40:08.4
sabi mo nga, Ian.
40:10.2
I would have probably used more inflections,
40:12.9
more hand movements.
40:15.3
I would have probably gotten her in another setting,
40:18.0
definitely not in a,
40:19.5
in a very clinical,
40:21.5
kasi parang yung background,
40:22.9
tapos may seal lang.
40:25.0
I would have probably gotten her behind her desk,
40:27.7
just to underscore that
40:30.3
hinalala ko ng tao
40:32.4
at ito yung desk ko.
40:34.2
nilagay ako ng tao dito,
40:39.1
would she listen?
40:41.6
is she coachable?
40:45.1
I've not had that opportunity
40:47.0
I have never been given such.
40:48.9
Yung ganyan delivery ba?
40:50.1
I don't know whether this is correct,
40:51.6
yung term na gagamitin ko.
40:53.3
yun ang naisip ko,
41:01.7
but the story's there,
41:03.2
What's going on here?
41:06.2
yung ganong klaseng delivery,
41:08.4
nai-improve ba yun
41:09.1
ng mga communicators
41:12.4
di ba nung nag-sorry si,
41:13.7
si Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo,
41:15.4
nag-sorry for something
41:16.4
na hindi naman niya sinabi kung ano,
41:18.2
nung pinapanood ko yung video na yun,
41:20.5
yun yung burol din
41:21.4
ni Jaime Cardinal sin, eh,
41:22.5
if you guys still remember,
41:24.7
Ang boring yung delivery.
41:29.6
yung ganong ba klaseng yan,
41:31.7
nai-improve ba yan
41:34.7
With the right workshops,
41:37.6
there are some very talented,
41:40.2
people who do workshops for that.
41:42.7
I have a team that I,
41:44.2
my go-to team for that,
41:46.2
we workshop people who do need
41:47.8
to deliver these messages.
41:54.1
some people have it,
41:54.9
some people don't.
41:57.7
hindi lahat ng tao pwedeng mag,
42:03.0
and will come off as warm and engaging.
42:06.6
there's some inherent,
42:08.3
there's nature and there's nurture.
42:10.6
But can those who don't have it,
42:12.6
also have it later on?
42:15.3
if they hire the right PR guy,
42:16.9
and if they hire the right,
42:18.2
persuasion specialist,
42:21.6
ma-contact yung Alan Herman?
42:24.0
bigay ko yung number mo,
42:31.0
Marami nag-message sa akin,
42:37.6
you're quite the knowledgeable guy.
42:40.3
gawin ko sa'yo yung ginagawa ko kay Ronald Llamas?
42:42.2
Yung number niya,
42:42.8
sinusulit ko sa likod ng,
42:45.6
tsaka sa likod ng CR,
42:46.6
ng mga public toilet.
42:47.9
Okay lang ba yun?
42:51.6
ang problema sinasagot ni Sek Llamas eh,
42:54.6
Yun ang problema,
42:59.1
may nanonood sa atin.
43:01.3
Si Atty. Goyo Larazabal.
43:04.1
Ganda your show tonight.
43:05.8
Ganyan magsalita si Atty. Goyo eh.
43:07.9
Ganda your show tonight.
43:16.8
we're just talking about
43:18.6
inuupakan ka ni Ian.
43:22.6
Charming ang ganyan.
43:26.2
Matatas siya magbisaya eh.
43:28.2
Matatas magbisaya.
43:29.6
madalas ko nakikita yan
43:32.0
sa May Power Plant Mall
43:33.2
na bumibili ng gulay.
43:36.7
in our neck of the woods.
43:43.9
Our socioeconomic class.
43:46.8
baka maniwala sila.
43:47.8
Baka maniwala sila eh.
43:49.4
Pagagalit yung mga kapitbahay ko
43:55.6
Ang daming nagagalit sa akin.
43:56.4
Ang daming nagagalit sa akin.
44:00.2
maraming nagagalit sa akin.
44:07.5
this is a learning experience
44:09.3
including myself.
44:11.1
yung political communication
44:12.2
is a very specialized field
44:13.8
whether you like it or not,
44:15.2
Some people can pretend
44:16.3
that they know how to
44:17.0
properly communicate.
44:18.7
when you talk about
44:19.6
the real battles,
44:20.5
the real political battles,
44:22.0
you would really need
44:22.9
people like Alan Herman.
44:28.0
during the elections,
44:29.8
Right about that time,
44:31.8
nung you went through
44:35.2
that ANC carousel
44:38.2
that ripped the tapestry
44:45.3
kasi nakikita nila ako
44:46.4
sa VP Lenny Rallis,
44:48.0
nakikita nila ako,
44:50.3
they knew that I was
44:51.0
advising the team,
44:52.9
but when I would be
44:56.4
and they would ask me
44:58.1
the Marcos campaign,
45:00.4
I would have to call it
45:03.8
and I would have to say,
45:04.7
the guy is leading
45:06.3
Kaya yan lang na lamang
45:07.8
is because of this,
45:09.6
from a political lens.
45:11.8
ang daming humihirit sa akin noon,
45:13.7
nagagalit sa akin,
45:15.5
pala ko malihan ni ka,
45:18.3
I have my political leanings,
45:20.3
I have my own ideologies,
45:22.6
as a communicator,
45:23.6
I have to call it
45:26.5
speaking of communication,
45:28.9
si President Bambong Marcos,
45:30.8
is he a good communicator
45:32.5
from your standpoint?
45:35.7
kung ano yung characteristics niya,
45:37.3
kung ano man yun,
45:38.5
would that be okay to,
45:41.8
with the challenge coming
45:43.1
from his own vice president?
45:44.6
Or talagang kailangan ilabas niya
45:52.0
Christian Esguerra asking the tough questions
45:53.9
and putting me on the hot seat.
45:59.2
President Marcos is an effective communicator.
46:01.5
I don't think he is.
46:07.5
sometimes siguro,
46:08.4
sa sobrang talino,
46:09.9
he thinks of the words faster
46:11.5
than his mouth can say it,
46:13.1
Parang St. Thomas Aquinas ba yan?
46:20.2
Summa Theologica.
46:27.0
as a communicator,
46:27.9
is a little bit too hesitant
46:31.8
he is too non-confrontational,
46:34.0
which is the word that is,
46:40.2
Non-confrontational.
46:43.6
ano naman po yan?
46:44.4
Established naman po.
46:48.3
he is non-confrontational
46:49.4
sometimes to a fault,
46:52.4
Kaya lumalabas yung narrative na
46:54.4
wala siyang pakilam,
46:59.2
unfeeling or agnostic
47:00.6
to the happenings
47:03.7
Pag-usapan naman natin yung,
47:05.5
kasi di ba dahil,
47:08.1
kasi marami pa rin
47:09.3
biyak na yung unitim,
47:11.2
Ang masasabi ko lang,
47:18.2
in denial talaga.
47:20.4
obvious naman, no?
47:21.5
that's an established fact.
47:23.5
nung nagpa-interview sa First Lady,
47:25.5
ang daming bumanad sa kanya
47:28.9
di ba nahati yan?
47:30.7
nagsama yung members
47:34.8
et cetera, et cetera,
47:36.3
nag-join forces siya.
47:39.3
especially with that interview
47:40.4
by the First Lady,
47:41.7
siya naman yung tinarget,
47:47.0
how do you handle
47:48.6
such a situation?
47:49.4
Ito yung situation now
47:50.1
kung saan yung First Lady
47:54.1
from that particular group.
47:58.3
is that healthy in a way
48:00.7
to you as President?
48:01.8
Kasi parang nag-draw
48:02.6
ng fire on your behalf
48:06.2
every President has
48:10.8
that's an established tenet
48:14.3
Pag Presidente ka,
48:15.2
I don't know if you remember
48:31.3
former Health Secretary
48:33.9
Yan yung mga lightning rod nila,
48:36.4
Sila yung nag-draw
48:38.7
that is an effective tool
48:43.2
engage the conversation
48:46.9
and to a secondary,
48:50.9
that's the answer
48:51.6
to your question.
48:53.1
Speaking of Harry Roque,
48:54.8
naparit mo ba yung kanyang,
48:57.7
nag-comment siya?
49:00.3
malalim pala sa intriga
49:01.7
itong si Harry Roque,
49:03.4
Parang sinasabi niya,
49:04.3
nagseselos lang daw
49:09.3
o campaign pa lang
49:10.1
kasi touchy-touchy
49:11.3
daw yung Presidente.
49:13.8
yung ganyang bilang
49:21.4
para mapag-usapan.
49:23.0
yan ang tinatawag
49:27.2
Yan yung tawag nila,
49:32.8
you kick the can around,
49:33.9
but I'm surprised
49:34.7
that you actually watch
49:38.3
that's my message
49:39.3
to take away from that.
49:41.2
of all the things
49:41.9
you can do with your day,
49:45.2
watching Harry Roque
49:47.9
should be very low
49:49.0
on your priority list.
49:50.6
lumabas lang sa feed ko,
49:53.5
lumabas lang talaga.
49:57.9
I have better use
50:00.2
I think I would rather
50:02.1
than watch Harry Roque
50:05.8
hanapin ko yung ano,
50:06.6
kung saan napupunta yung langgam,
50:10.3
mas gusto ko nang gawin yan.
50:12.3
mas exciting yun,
50:13.9
Makinig sa kahit na anong
50:15.2
sasabihin ni Harry Roque.
50:17.8
it is what it is.
50:22.5
tumbukin na natin.
50:23.3
Ito yung pinaka-framework
50:24.6
ng discussion natin
50:27.9
who is now controlling
50:29.5
between the First Lady
50:31.5
and the Vice President?
50:40.1
narrative control
50:50.8
pag magsalita pa ulit
50:52.9
hindi na maganda.
50:57.8
I think each camp
50:58.6
should just focus on
51:00.3
message takeaways.
51:02.2
para sa both camps.
51:05.9
ninyong message takeaways.
51:09.3
the First Lady camp,
51:11.5
they should focus on
51:12.8
in the coming weeks,
51:14.9
to control the narrative,
51:17.3
dapat mag-focus sila
51:18.5
dun sa impropriety
51:19.8
of a cabinet official
51:26.6
you're an elected official,
51:27.7
but don't forget,
51:28.4
you're also a cabinet official.
51:30.1
Boss mo pa rin yan.
51:31.5
Hindi maganda yan
51:41.2
I think that should be
51:47.2
Isa pang hindi natin
51:48.5
very, very clever.
51:52.0
that the First Lady
51:53.6
former Vice President Lenny?
51:56.2
So, yun nga pa na.
51:57.8
Ba't pinapinasok yun?
52:01.9
naging value nun?
52:02.9
Eh di lahat ng kakamping
52:04.3
eh nagpalakpakan.
52:07.2
The fanatical kakampings
52:08.6
were suddenly drawn.
52:12.4
Did you hear that?
52:16.2
seemingly complimentary
52:21.3
very, very curated.
52:23.6
tactical thing for her.
52:25.6
That, that should be there,
52:27.2
And they should choose
52:27.9
the right channels.
52:35.8
Uh, that's what they should,
52:40.1
how will they control
52:43.1
they should flex,
52:43.9
a couple of message
52:47.4
an elected official.
52:48.5
I have the mandate
52:52.5
sitting president.
52:59.5
kung hindi ka namin
53:04.7
ano, yun naman ang mga
53:06.0
that they should,
53:08.4
uh, stress and emphasize
53:09.6
in order to control
53:12.3
nag-denotes ba kayo dyan?
53:13.5
Uh, libring advice
53:14.5
sa mga nakukuha nyo rito
53:15.6
kay Alan Herman, ha?
53:18.5
mga mga banat sa akin eh.
53:19.9
Sabi, ano ba alam yan?
53:22.2
O, ikaw na ang magaling.
53:28.6
Naka, wala po tayong bala.
53:32.1
ang metaphor natin dyan,
53:33.4
just roll with the punches.
53:35.3
Just roll with the punches.
53:36.7
I'm good, I'm good.
53:38.5
it's so funny because,
53:40.9
this is a situation,
53:44.6
damn if you don't.
53:46.7
and makinig po kayo,
53:48.8
hindi sa pinagtatanggol ko,
53:53.6
this is a situation,
53:58.8
sagot ni VP Sarah,
54:00.7
inuupakan ako sa comments.
54:03.2
maganda yung mga points ni
54:04.5
Lisa Renata Marcos,
54:06.2
inuupakan ako sa comments.
54:08.2
Ganyan o talaga nangyayari,
54:09.5
when a relationship
54:10.3
is purely transactional.
54:12.6
This is what happens,
54:14.1
when a relationship
54:14.9
is purely transactional.
54:20.7
was entirely transactional.
54:23.1
They were not united
54:26.0
They were not united
54:28.1
It was purely transactional.
54:31.5
this case happens na,
54:33.8
pag nag-away ang dalawa na yan,
54:35.7
whatever opinion you may have,
54:39.8
Which is happening to me right now.
54:42.7
ang linaw na sinabi niya,
54:47.0
Transactional eh.
54:48.6
Wala namang ideolohiya
54:49.7
o plataporma na talagang
54:50.8
nagbuklo dun sa dalawa.
54:52.3
I think that's pretty clear.
54:54.0
bago natin tapusin,
54:56.7
biglang binanggit yung
54:58.1
in that interview.
54:59.3
Mukha namang hindi,
55:00.2
naisip lang yung basta-basta, no?
55:02.1
Pwede rin ba tingnan yan
55:03.1
from the perspective
55:08.8
fissure or collapse?
55:12.3
parang nilalatag na
55:13.7
naratibo ng ibang tao.
55:15.7
Between two evils,
55:16.7
dun ako sa lesser.
55:17.8
Hindi ko sinasabing
55:22.0
idiomatic expression.
55:23.6
Pero nakikita po natin
55:24.8
yung ganyan narrative, no?
55:28.2
Eh, dun ako sa Marcos
55:30.5
yung dating sa akin
55:32.3
Doon sa ganyan kontekst.
55:36.7
doon sa ganyan kontekst to,
55:38.5
mukha bang tactical
55:39.4
yung ginawa ni First Lady
55:41.1
makukuha ko talaga to.
55:42.5
Kasi the enemy of my enemy
55:44.8
So, mas lalaking grupo namin,
55:46.2
and mas mahirap tibagin.
55:48.2
Especially in the context of
55:50.8
coming from the Dutertes.
55:54.2
the word really is,
55:55.5
and this has been used before,
55:58.5
a rainbow coalition.
55:59.8
If you think about colors,
56:01.0
it's a rainbow coalition
56:03.4
It's everybody versus green.
56:05.2
Nagka-isa na ang red,
56:06.4
which is the Marcos loyalists.
56:09.3
Nakasama na ang mga
56:10.3
pink slash yellow
56:11.5
dahil pinalaya na si
56:13.1
Senator Laila Tejema
56:18.6
former Senator Sanitril Llanes
56:21.0
is now super best friends
56:23.1
with the Marcos admin.
56:25.2
you have a lot of
56:26.8
formerly pink slash yellow
56:29.7
defending the actions
56:31.3
of the Marcos administration.
56:36.7
I don't want to say apologists,
56:38.2
but that's the word
56:38.8
that comes to my mind.
56:39.8
I won't sugarcoat it.
56:42.5
Pati yung mga pula,
56:51.4
there's nothing wrong
56:52.0
with being a communist.
56:53.0
That's an ideology.
56:56.1
Inciting to sedition po
56:57.3
ang labag sa batas.
56:58.8
Pero pagiging komunista,
57:00.2
walang nama doon.
57:01.3
If you want to believe
57:04.3
Whatever floats your boat.
57:06.4
color of the spectrum,
57:09.3
they've managed to attract
57:13.5
the so-called green,
57:14.2
which is the Dutertica.
57:17.1
Yun ang realidad.
57:20.9
Uobra ba yung ano?
57:22.2
Di ba meron tayong,
57:28.8
Gusto ng mga Pinoy,
57:29.6
yung mga underdog
57:30.3
medyo nabubugbog.
57:36.7
wag pala Marcoses,
57:38.0
baka masama si Ayme
57:38.8
yung ika-away nga.
57:40.0
Sarili niyang kapatid,
57:40.9
binabanata niya, no?
57:43.6
and the President
57:44.6
would help if the First Lady
57:45.9
this underdog narrative
57:47.2
or kung kung kumuha nito
57:48.4
yung Vice President?
57:49.6
Or would it be ridiculous
57:55.1
in this particular episode,
57:57.6
anybody can legitimately
57:58.8
claim to be the underdog.
58:00.3
Ask our comments.
58:01.6
A very, very nice,
58:04.8
ng national ano eh.
58:07.0
only a show like Fox First
58:08.4
will really excite
58:09.2
these kind of emotions eh.
58:10.8
Kung basahin mo yung
58:12.8
May kita mo na eh.
58:13.6
Galit ang nararamdaman
58:17.7
They're disgusted
58:18.8
with both parties right now.
58:20.9
So, in this particular episode,
58:23.0
no, I don't think anyone
58:24.2
can legitimately claim
58:25.5
to be an underdog.
58:28.0
Congress beating up
58:31.9
tinanggalan siya ng budget,
58:34.1
pa-iimbestigahan siya,
58:36.2
was being thrown against her,
58:39.1
she could have slipped
58:40.7
on the underdog role.
58:42.1
But in this particular
58:43.6
micro-application
58:46.9
back and forth nila
58:49.4
Lisa Araneta Marcos,
58:52.2
claim to be an underdog here.
58:55.1
So, it won't help
58:55.7
kung magpapaawa yung
58:57.3
Ito, pinaka-huli na,
59:00.4
or should the President
59:01.5
speak up on this issue?
59:03.7
Dapat ba magsalita
59:04.4
si President Marcos?
59:06.5
No, I don't think so.
59:11.2
I will use the word.
59:18.1
the words of VP Sara.
59:21.3
mas marami pang problema
59:23.5
for the President
59:25.1
to actually take time
59:26.3
and weigh on this.
59:28.4
it will be a point
59:30.3
against the gravitas
59:31.6
and the authority
59:32.5
and the legitimacy
59:33.8
of the institution
59:35.7
of the Presidency
59:36.7
kung makisali pa siya dito
59:38.9
sa little back and forth
59:42.4
with another lady
59:45.2
who as fate would have it
59:48.0
is the elected Vice President.
59:53.7
hindi parang paborian
59:54.5
kay Vice President Sara
59:56.3
nabuo niya yung naratibo na
59:57.9
away babae lang to,
60:01.1
vice Presidente ako,
60:03.4
I have the mandate,
60:04.3
di ko pa patulan yan.
60:06.6
by keeping silent,
60:14.2
I'm glad it came from you, Ian.
60:21.1
what I said earlier
60:23.5
ticking the tick boxes,
60:33.4
the comments of Lisa
60:37.9
yun yung pinaka-thesis
60:39.9
ng sinabi ni Vice Presidente.
60:42.4
hindi tayo naguusap
60:50.2
dahil siyang Pangulo
60:51.0
at siyang boss ko.
60:52.7
At ako may sariling mandato.
60:54.8
Okay, napakalinaw.
60:56.5
Alan, maraming maraming salamat
60:59.7
tonight's episode.
61:01.4
Maraming na naman po
61:02.2
kaming natutunan sa inyo.
61:04.1
And can I just say,
61:05.4
kamukha mo yung misis mo.
61:07.5
Dito sa look mo na to ngayon.
61:14.6
nagiging kamukha mo daw
61:18.2
o yung taong kinahingap.
61:20.6
Nagiging magkamukha na.
61:22.2
that is the great compliment
61:26.1
and it was intended that way.
61:28.0
Kanino pa ako nandito sa akin?
61:29.3
Kasi nakita ko yung mga pinopost mo,
61:31.3
pictures ng asawa mo.
61:34.0
parang siya yung ini-interview ko ngayon.
61:35.9
Kamukha ka mo ka eh.
61:39.8
I'm sure the armchair,
61:42.5
will have a lot to say about that.
61:46.5
maraming maraming salamat.
61:47.6
Thank you for joining us tonight.
61:49.7
always keep safe.
61:51.8
Maraming salamat.
61:52.8
Thank you, thank you.
61:53.4
Maraming salamat,
61:54.3
and cheers to everyone.
61:59.0
Salamat, salamat.
62:02.1
Hindi ko siya i-kick out ah.
62:03.3
Na-kick out ko na kanina.
62:05.7
Hindi ko naman talaga sinasadya.
62:09.2
maraming maraming salamat sa'yo
62:11.1
for joining us tonight.
62:13.2
Maraming na naman po kami napulot
62:14.8
tungkol sa iyong mga kaalaman
62:17.2
sa larangan ng political strategy.
62:21.3
So, ano ba mga pag-uusapan natin ngayon?
62:26.2
Kasi mag-anniversary tayo.
62:28.1
Nagsasecond anniversary na tayo
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nun live episodes ah.
62:31.2
Kasi yung Fox First Podcast
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nung ano palang 2019.
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on the occasion of our
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we're going to do a podcast.
62:39.8
We're going to do a podcast.
62:39.8
We're going to do a podcast.
62:39.9
We're going to do a podcast.
62:39.9
We're going to do a podcast.
62:40.0
We're going to do a podcast.
62:40.0
We're going to do a podcast.
62:40.0
We're going to do a podcast.
62:40.0
We're going to do a podcast.
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Anniversary of our
62:42.0
Fox First live episodes.
62:44.3
May mga nagtatanong kasi eh.
62:45.5
O, hindi ka ba magla-launch na ano?
62:47.4
Yung shirt na with collar
62:52.3
Pag may mga inaten din ako mga
62:53.6
a bit formal events,
62:56.0
medyo parang weird
62:56.7
pag naka-round neck ako eh.
62:58.6
Ito po yung bagong shirt
62:59.5
tas isuot ko nisang gabi.
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So, we will launch it this week.
63:03.5
Abangan nyo na lang po.
63:05.5
greatest hits natin
63:07.2
available pa rin po yun
63:10.0
and Lazada stores.
63:12.3
Now, before we end,
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may mga babatiin po tayo.
63:15.4
O, ito kanina kasi
63:16.2
pakalit-kalit po ako
63:17.2
sa Robinson's Magnolia.
63:20.1
nakasalubong ko po ron
63:26.9
madalas na po silang manood
63:27.8
ng ating programa.
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So, maraming maraming
63:29.9
nasalamat po sa inyo
63:34.4
Maraming maraming salamat po
63:35.5
from the bottom of my heart.
63:37.6
nag-message po sa akin
63:39.8
Jocelyn Lumberio.
63:41.4
Hindi ko nabasa agad
63:42.6
yung message niya.
63:43.6
So, I took note of this.
63:45.4
shoutout sa family ko
63:46.3
sa Fairview, Quezon City.
63:50.8
Lavey Bayan Torres
63:53.5
from Tampa, Florida.
63:56.1
Hi po sa inyong lahat.
63:58.3
binated happy birthday
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kasi binati po natin siya
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live program noon.
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So, hindi po natin siya
64:14.9
binated happy birthday
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Ayan, birthday niya
64:24.2
kaibigan po natin yan
64:26.7
Happy, happy birthday po.
64:31.1
sa mga kaibigan natin
64:32.6
Aurora Villanueva.
64:36.2
Maraming, maraming
64:36.7
salamat po sa inyo.
64:38.9
binabate rin po natin.
64:39.8
Ito, binabate rin po natin
64:39.9
si Eunice Garrido
64:42.2
from Paris, France.
64:45.3
ng belated happy birthday
64:49.7
si Tita Cherry Munoz,
64:53.4
at yung pinsa niya
64:54.3
na si Eros Hamto.
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maraming, maraming salamat.
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ito, binabate rin natin.
65:06.8
ito, naremind ako
65:08.6
baka makalimutan mo.
65:13.8
idol ko yan, dok.
65:15.5
ng mga vlogs niya,
65:19.3
maraming, maraming salamat
65:22.0
kasama si attorney,
65:23.0
hindi naman attorney
65:25.0
Nakabudol na naman
65:26.4
Hindi po abugado yun.
65:30.9
Maraming, maraming salamat
65:34.9
kung aking asawa,
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baka magkita tayo.
65:45.8
Maraming, maraming salamat
65:48.8
salamat po sa mga
65:49.6
nagpadara ng super like,
65:52.7
si Achino Mirabueno.
65:54.2
Maraming salamat.
66:00.5
Maraming, maraming salamat po.
66:01.7
Si Raquel Nakamura.
66:02.8
Maraming, maraming salamat po.
66:05.0
binabate rin po natin
66:07.8
kaibigan po natin
66:08.7
from Tokyo, Japan.
66:10.5
Maraming, maraming salamat, no?
66:16.7
Maraming, maraming salamat, Menji.
66:19.8
kung sino ang guest natin?
66:21.4
Ang guest po natin bukas
66:30.1
Makakausap po natin siya bukas.
66:31.4
At pag-uusapan natin,
66:37.3
independent secretary?
66:40.2
hindi naman daw niya
66:40.9
na-review yung mga changes
66:42.1
dun sa K-12 curriculum.
66:44.3
Parang weird, no?
66:46.1
education secretary,
66:47.9
hindi mo binabasa yun.
66:48.7
Napaka-importanting
66:51.7
sa ilalim na yung
66:54.3
So, iimayin po namin
66:55.2
yung mga problema
66:57.8
basic education sector.
66:59.9
we will also talk about
67:02.9
Napaka-importante po yan.
67:04.3
Maraming, maraming salamat po.
67:06.3
Ayan, bukas po yan.
67:21.6
maraming salamat sa'yo.
67:22.6
Si Lisa from Taiwan.
67:29.8
maraming salamat din sa'yo
67:30.9
watching from Taiwan.
67:32.1
Si Miss Elizabeth
67:44.4
Tsaka baka mapadpad tayo
67:52.3
watching from Italy,
68:02.0
Gusto nyo ba mag-guest
68:03.1
uli si Edo Manzanas?
68:07.5
Celebrity yun eh.
68:09.5
watching from Olongapo City.
68:11.9
watching from California.
68:14.3
watching from Dubai.
68:15.5
Si Lolita Madriaga,
68:17.1
watching from Hong Kong.
68:20.2
watching from Italy.
68:28.1
watching from Toronto.
68:37.0
Ano bang flag yan?
68:39.5
Baka magkamali ako eh.
68:44.1
Maraming salamat.
68:45.4
Sonny Reyes from the Bay Area.
68:51.5
Watching from Los Banos,
68:53.1
si Carlos Maguiane.
68:55.1
Bibo, Norway po yan.
68:57.9
Scandinavian country.
68:59.4
Maraming maraming salamat.
69:04.4
Guest natin si ano?
69:05.9
Si Professor Shelo.
69:07.1
Ah, gusto nyo bang patutugin natin
69:14.3
Pasensya lang kayo.
69:14.9
Hindi ko babasa lahat, no?
69:15.9
Si Natty Tiongson,
69:17.0
maraming salamat po.
69:17.9
Watching from Greece.
69:21.0
team replay lagi siya.
69:22.9
Si Nixon Caparas,
69:24.4
watching from San Jose, California.
69:28.2
watching from Barcelona, Spain.
69:30.6
Maraming salamat.
69:32.6
madalas manood to.
69:33.3
Maraming maraming salamat sa'yo.
69:36.6
watching from Lipa,
69:40.5
Si Nonelon Elsisura Jr.,
69:43.7
watching from Saudi Arabia.
69:47.1
Tapos si Herbie Recato,
69:48.7
watching from Suzhou.
69:51.5
Pronunciation ko.
69:54.1
Maraming maraming salamat po.
69:56.9
Maraming maraming salamat.
69:58.0
O, watching from Cebu.
70:05.0
Ah, from Edmonton.
70:06.1
Maraming salamat.
70:07.0
Nanonood din si Anita de Ocampo.
70:09.1
Meron pa nanonood sa atin.
70:11.6
Maraming salamat.
70:13.6
Guys, pasensya na po ah.
70:15.1
may gagawin pa ako.
70:16.1
Kita kita po bukas ah.
70:17.1
Maraming maraming salamat.
70:18.1
Ako po si Christian Esguerra.
70:19.6
Thank you for watching.
70:20.6
Huwag niyong kalimutan,
70:21.1
meron akong bagong ano,
70:23.1
Nakapost na po sa ating page.
70:24.6
Pinalawanan po natin,
70:26.1
ano ba yung value ng diplomatic protest?
70:27.6
Kasi maraming nagtatanong.
70:28.6
Ano ba silbi yan?
70:29.1
File tayo ng file ng diplomatic protest
70:32.1
Ano ba napapala natin dyan?
70:33.6
Yung video na yon,
70:34.6
mga five minutes lang.
70:36.1
We explained everything there.
70:38.1
Panoorin niyo po sa ating channel.
70:39.6
Thank you, thank you very much.
70:40.6
At magandang gabi po.
