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00:00.0
Welcome to the Business Outlook. I'm Ron Cruz.
00:11.7
And I'm Salve Duplito.
00:13.1
The Headlines.
00:13.9
U.S. futures and European markets are up with the London FTSE 100 hitting fresh record highs.
00:20.3
ABS-CBN bringing back TV Patrol and its other iconic shows to all TVs channel.
00:25.7
And we speak with BPI President and CEO T.G. Luke Kauko on how the bank plans to sustain its record performance this year.
00:36.5
A check on European markets. London's FTSE 100 is hitting record highs as global markets build on yesterday's gains.
00:44.0
Also boosting sentiment, a series of business activity surveys that show Germany returned to growth in April after months of contraction.
00:52.9
While activity in the broader Eurozone expanded.
00:56.0
At its fastest pace in nearly a year.
01:00.1
As for Wall Street, futures are also pointing to a positive open ahead of earnings from mega-cap tech stocks.
01:06.5
Tesla will be firing the opening salvo after the bell Tuesday.
01:12.9
Here are some stocks to watch out for.
01:15.0
We're monitoring shares of Novartis after the company rates its full-year guidance following better-than-expected first-quarter results.
01:21.9
Shares of the Swiss drugmaker climbed 4% in midday trading.
01:25.7
Also in focus, associated British Foods which raised its outlook and interim dividend amid easing inflationary pressures.
01:34.0
Its stock last traded higher by 9%.
01:36.6
We're also keeping a close watch on shares of Hibbit and JD Sports.
01:40.9
The British sports fashion retail company announced plans to acquire Hibbit for over $1 billion.
01:46.7
That sent the stock of the American athletic fashion retailer soaring 19% in the pre-market.
01:53.4
While JD Sports shares are also up.
01:55.7
By 6%.
01:56.9
Meanwhile, Asian markets ended Tuesday trade mostly higher as Wall Street's rally overnight boosted tech stocks in the region.
02:05.1
The Hong Kong Hang Seng jumped nearly 2%.
02:07.4
While upbeat factory data added cheer to Japan and Australia's markets.
02:13.0
Here at home, Philippine shares joined the rally with main index climbing back above the 6,500 level.
02:21.3
If you'll notice, the rallies are quite shallow.
02:25.7
And there's a lack of volume.
02:29.5
So I wouldn't say that this rally is convincing at all.
02:34.1
So it's still a bit iffy right now whether this rally is going to continue or not.
02:40.2
I mean, of course, all of us are hoping that the market could do a significant rally and maybe climb back up to 6,700 or maybe even 6,800.
02:51.9
But I'm actually not too optimistic.
02:55.7
I'm not too optimistic about it.
02:57.3
I'm like maybe just I'm 50-50 about the situation right now.
03:03.1
There's also that threat that, you know, prices might just be consolidating right now before we continue to move lower.
03:12.3
A notable stock movements in the region.
03:14.5
Hong Kong's biggest IPO this year proved to be a bust as Chinese bubble team maker Chabai Dao plunged as much as 38% in its trading debut.
03:25.7
AMBS and ABS-CBN Inc. a deal to bring some of ABS-CBN's iconic shows as well as its evening newscast TV patrol to the free-to-air channel All TV.
03:39.0
Jackie Pascual has the details.
03:42.8
Advanced Media Broadcasting System or AMBS and ABS-CBN have formally signed a partnership that will bring iconic Filipino entertainment programs to more audiences via the free-to-air channel All TV.
03:55.3
Advanced Media Broadcasting System or AMBS and ABS-CBN have formally signed a partnership that will bring iconic Filipino entertainment programs to more audiences via the free-to-air channel All TV.
03:57.6
Nostalgic Kapamilya shows under Jeepney TV will now be aired on All TV.
04:03.0
Included in the partnership is the airing of TV Patrol, the flagship news program of ABS-CBN on All TV.
04:10.4
Very proud and honored to be celebrating today the start of what we hope is going to be a long, fruitful and good partnership between ABS and ABS-CBN.
04:12.0
Very proud and honored to be celebrating today the start of what we hope is going to be a long, fruitful and good partnership between ABS and ABS-CBN on All TV.
04:12.5
Very proud and honored to be celebrating today the start of what we hope is going to be a long, fruitful and good partnership between ABS and ABS-CBN on All TV.
04:12.6
Proud and honored to be celebrating today the start of what we hope is going to be a long, fruitful, and good partnership between AMBS and All TV as well as ABS-CBN.
04:29.5
We are very excited to bring the ABS-CBN brand of storytelling to the audiences of All TV.
04:34.8
It's a bit of a sentimental note for us today because we're bringing one of our longest running programs, TV Patrol, back to Channel 2.
04:41.4
I know there are some who feel some pain over our return to our former channel, a home that was once ours.
04:52.6
But in all humility, let's try and put all of the past behind us and embrace instead our mission to serve the Filipino, wherever they may be.
05:01.2
ABS-CBN President and CEO Carlo Catigbak, COO Cory Vidanes, Group CFO Rick Tan, AMBS President Maribel Torrentino,
05:10.0
and CFO Cecil Bernal.
05:11.4
Bernardo signed the deal.
05:13.5
Also present were ABS-CBN Chairman Mark Lopez and Chief Partnership Officer Bobby Barrero.
05:18.9
The Villar Group, meanwhile, was represented by Chairman Manny Villar, Senator Mark Villar, Vista Land and Livescapes, Inc. President and CEO Paolo Villar,
05:29.2
and All Value Holdings Corp. President and CEO Camille Villar.
05:33.8
AMBS and ABS-CBN hope the partnership will bring more enjoyable, enriching, and informative content to Filipino.
05:41.5
We're very excited to welcome TV Patrol, which as you know is the longest running news show in the Philippines.
05:51.8
We're very honored to have them in All TV, as well as the rest of the content.
05:56.8
There's been a persistent clamor for Patrol's credible news and information to reach the audience it once had.
06:02.5
I hope that by working together with All TV, we are once again able to deliver this service to all our Kababayans.
06:09.1
All TV is available on FreeTV.
06:11.4
FreeTV, cable and satellite TV nationwide.
06:15.1
Jackie Pascual, ABS-CBN News.
06:19.9
In other corporate news, the Philippine Competition Commission begins an in-depth review of Ayala Pharma Ventures' proposed acquisition of St. Joseph Drugstore.
06:29.5
The PCC says its initial review pointed to potential competition concerns in relevant markets in the Ilocos and Cordillera regions.
06:37.3
Ayala Pharma Ventures, which operates Generica Drugstore,
06:41.4
is seeking a 49% stake in St. Joseph Drug.
06:45.2
And San Miguel is offering 20 billion pesos in bonds due 2034.
06:50.4
The bonds have a base offer of 15 billion pesos with an oversubscription of up to 5 billion.
06:56.5
These will be sourced from SMC's 50 billion peso denominated shelf-registered bonds.
07:03.4
The Philippine Securities and Exchange Commission asking Google and Apple to remove the Binance application from their Philippine app market.
07:11.4
The SEC chairperson says the public's continued access to Binance poses a threat to the fund security of investing Filipinos.
07:20.8
Binance was banned from operating in the country last March after the SEC found it was unauthorized to trade in securities in the Philippines.
07:29.8
Binance is touted as the largest cryptocurrency website in the world with an average daily trading volume of 65 billion dollars,
07:37.0
covering more than 400 cryptocurrencies.
07:42.3
And we're taking a quick break.
07:44.0
Up next, BPI President and CEO T.G. Limcauco joins us in the studio to talk about the bank's record first quarter performance.
08:00.7
Welcome back.
08:01.8
BPI sustains its record earnings streak into the first quarter of the year as it posts a 25% jump in its first quarter bottom line.
08:10.6
The Ayala Group.
08:11.2
The bank is confident it can stay at peak performance for the rest of the year.
08:16.7
BPI's President and CEO T.G. Limcauco joins us tonight to discuss how they plan to maintain this momentum.
08:23.2
T.G., welcome finally to the studio.
08:25.5
Thank you. Thank you, Sal.
08:26.0
Hello, sir.
08:26.5
I was watching your event this morning with the stockholders and I was thinking, T.G. is giving his sona.
08:37.9
Soba.
08:38.9
Soba. State of the banking.
08:41.2
It was a very good year last year and it was a great first quarter for us.
08:49.3
And to me, what it tells us is that the bank is firing on all cylinders, but so is the economy.
08:54.9
I think what we're seeing is that the Filipino consumer is resilient and is confident.
09:01.3
Despite the high prices, despite the inflationary issues that we faced last year, the Filipino consumer is very confident.
09:09.0
And we saw that.
09:10.0
I guess our record earnings are a result of the expansion of our loan book primarily towards the consumer sector.
09:17.2
We were able to shift our book to be more consumer-focused than ever before.
09:22.4
And obviously, the consumer product has a higher yield than the typical top corporate.
09:30.5
Some of the other banks are up as well, but not as much as you guys.
09:36.0
And you work in the same landscape with the same problems.
09:39.5
Yeah.
09:40.0
And you're able to pull that off.
09:40.8
I think it's our digitalization strategy.
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We've always said that we're very focused on digitalization because what it does is it allows us to capture more customers more efficiently, basically cheaper.
09:53.1
We're able to service our customers better and at a lower cost.
09:57.1
And I think that's what's driving.
09:58.0
When you take a look at the way our revenues are growing and the way our expenses are growing, there's a 5 percentage point difference between the two.
10:07.4
And that matters a lot.
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Especially when rates...
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As they were last year and remaining high this year.
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So, it's really panned out well for the bank.
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And we're seeing everything work.
10:20.0
Even our fee income, we're getting more people investing in our, let's say, our UITFs and our mutual funds.
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Our insurance business is doing really well.
10:28.7
Our private wealth business is doing excellent.
10:31.6
And we've started a new, I guess what we call a new channel called Agency Banking.
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Where now we're trying to expand their customer base.
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By attracting more and more customers.
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And we're not asking them to come to the branches.
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We're telling them to come to us through our app.
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Or wherever we are.
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We actually have a slogan called May BPI Dito.
10:50.2
And you can actually learn about our products at many of our, what we call our retail partners.
10:57.1
Ayala Malls, the Robinson's Retail Stores, Uncle John's, C.O.L. Gas, even Lazada.
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We're on Lazada.
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You can learn and you can onboard our products through these different areas.
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At the risk of revealing who is your favorite general in the bank, which one of these are you most excited about?
11:17.6
I think all across, I think we're very excited about the consumer sector.
11:21.2
And we, our consumer business, I guess, is along several lines.
11:25.5
The cards business is very strong.
11:27.9
While we look at the traditional mortgage and auto, auto has picked up significantly.
11:34.7
We are also looking at what we call our higher.
11:39.2
Segments, private wealth, preferred gold.
11:42.7
That's also been doing really well by us presenting a different way of marketing our products.
11:49.5
For example, in private wealth, we don't talk about investments and just typical banking.
11:53.6
We talk about a whole experience that banking is not just for the very wealthy.
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It's not just about investing.
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It's about living a life.
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Follow-up question.
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How do you explain?
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Because the economy shows that inflation is very high.
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People are crazy with their budgets.
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They're trying to reduce cost.
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And yet, on the consumer side, it's all going up.
12:18.7
Well, I think one of it is last year was driven a lot by revenge spending.
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So that will moderate.
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But when we think about inflation being high, I think you need to ask yourself, really?
12:29.8
Really?
12:32.0
I think food has been a little issue.
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And I think I've always told my friends and the team.
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We need to watch rice.
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Rice is very key to the Filipino psyche.
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And rice prices have been on the rise for the last year.
12:45.2
I think it's up 24%.
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And it's a psyche, right?
12:49.4
When you see rice prices go up, you think everything's going up.
12:52.5
But when you look at the whole inflation basket, we're really only up 3.7%.
12:57.3
It might go a little higher, over 4% in the second quarter because of base effect.
13:02.0
But in general, it's the confidence that people have in the future.
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And I think Filipino consumers,
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are still confident.
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We're seeing record billings in credit cards.
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And while you might think, oh, credit cards, you need to be careful.
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You need to see what kind of customers there are.
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In credit cards, you've got three kinds of customers.
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You've got the transactors, the people who buy and then just pay.
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Those are the people that are not very profitable for the bank.
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It's me.
13:30.4
But they're the most responsible.
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That's strong.
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You have what they call the revolvers, the people who never pay it in full.
13:38.7
And just keep on paying maybe a minimum or more than the minimum.
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Okay, now you're talking about me.
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But they're not defaulting.
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But they're not defaulting.
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And then you need to watch what they're using it for.
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I think you begin to worry if people are revolving on their groceries.
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What are they using it for?
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It's travel.
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Travel, maybe appliances.
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So those are what I consider investments.
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Whether it's an investment for your future because it's an appliance that you need to have a better life.
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Or it's an experience that you want to pay over time.
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Now, if you begin.
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If you begin revolving your groceries, I think you have a problem there.
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So you need to watch out what people are buying.
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And when we track that, we don't have an issue yet.
14:19.3
Aside from inflation and maybe those things that you're closely monitoring right now,
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are there any challenges you're foreseeing for at least for the rest of the year?
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I think you need to be very careful about some of the geopolitical issues.
14:36.1
That one might catch.
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I don't want to catch you by surprise, but I'm hopeful, reasonability, reason prevails.
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When you look at your loan book, you need to be not so aggressive because you need to realize that a bank is a business of trust.
14:56.0
And as I was telling Salve earlier, when a bank fails, it's the customers who get hurt.
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And the owner gets hurt the least.
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Whereas in any other business, the customers just walk away.
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It's the owner who gets hurt.
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So as a bank, you need to be very conservative.
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And I think that's why you need to watch the kind of loans you give, the kind of policies you have.
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And BPI's credit culture has kept a toll for a century and a half over.
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And I think we will maintain that.
15:27.2
I think one of the conversations we've had is that covering the banking sector in the 1997 crisis,
15:33.5
and while looking now at the capital adequacy ratios and the provisions for loan losses,
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they're so far from the 97 levels.
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Absolutely.
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And you're saying, are they overdoing this?
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But I guess that's your fortress balance sheet.
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Kudos, kudos to our Banco Central from the 90s and onwards that's kept a very steady policy of we want strong capitalized banks.
15:56.4
We want well-run banks.
15:58.1
The level of supervision that the BSP gives us, maybe some bank presidents, including me, sometimes feel like, oh, it's overbearing.
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But there is a reason for it.
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And I think I cannot find...
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A better professional force than the people at the BSP who know what they're doing.
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And there will always be...
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We will always have arguments and reason prevails.
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But you need to understand their role as the BSP to safeguard the banking industry.
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And strong capital, you can never, never fault that.
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One more.
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That's why I was asking you earlier, everybody's talking about Jamie Dimon saying there's going to be a big crash,
16:32.9
a huge recession in the U.S. and winter is coming.
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Ray Dalio saying all of these things.
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And I was asking you, do you think that there's something that will spark that there and will affect the Philippines also?
16:45.7
It's got to be geopolitical tension, something that's out of the blue.
16:49.3
Because when you look at the way the economy of the U.S. is going, it's fairly strong.
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It's very resilient.
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In fact, that's the reason why rates aren't coming off.
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Because the demand is still there in the U.S. and they need to be very careful about that.
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I think every central banker worth his salt.
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It's got to be strict about his mandate for price stability.
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And I think that's what they're doing at the Fed.
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That's what they're doing here at the BSP.
17:15.1
And you have a very strong economy.
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No reason to cut rates yet.
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And you want to keep inflation at bay.
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So I don't see a winter coming.
17:25.6
You mentioned about the app a while ago.
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You've stuck it out with your app.
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And also your online services through the web.
17:36.0
How do you view the process?
17:38.6
I think it's very important that we have the presence of digital banks in the country.
17:43.8
They haven't been profitable.
17:45.0
Two out of six.
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When we talk to the BSP, only two out of the six banks have been profitable.
17:49.8
They may not be a threat right now, but there has been around 9 million new accounts from these six digital banks.
18:00.9
Do you see them giving you a run for your money maybe in the future?
18:04.9
Not in the near future, to be honest.
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And I think let's be very clear.
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When you say a digital bank, you really mean a virtual bank.
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It's a digital only.
18:11.9
Yeah, a digital only bank because I'd be the first to say BPI is a digital bank.
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And I'm sure my colleagues, Union Bank, BDO, they're digital banks because you can access the services digitally.
18:21.9
The difference with them is that they're new and therefore they don't have legacy systems.
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So it's fairly easy for them to launch an app.
18:29.9
I think also from a governance point of view, you can be a little more aggressive.
18:37.9
If you've got fewer customers.
18:39.9
When we take our systems down for an hour, all hell breaks loose.
18:45.9
Social media breaks loose.
18:47.9
I see it.
18:49.9
When one of the digital banks takes their system down for a day, hardly a ripple.
18:54.9
But I'll give you that the digital banks have transformed the banking industry in the Philippines quite positively.
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What they've done is they've made the legacy banks wake up.
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They've forced the legacy banks to be more innovative.
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They've forced the legacy banks to invest more in technology.
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And I'm a big believer that banking is a technology business.
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Banking of the old days of paper.
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Banking is about moving data and keeping data.
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Your money is not bills.
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It's just data.
19:27.9
And that's what the digital banks have done.
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They've raised the awareness.
19:31.9
They've raised financial inclusivity.
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They've raised awareness of the people.
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They've raised awareness of the public in terms of banking, savings, competition.
19:40.9
They've raised awareness in cyber security.
19:43.9
So all of this has taken all together quite well.
19:46.9
And I think I wish the digital banks well.
19:49.9
Because they've done a service for the country, for banking.
19:52.9
But it's an uphill climb.
19:55.9
You know, TJ, listening to you, I now see why some people I talk to say,
19:59.9
you are the best person to be at the helm of VBI now.
20:03.9
Because you're so technologically...
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They're too kind.
20:05.9
They're too kind.
20:06.9
And you were in part of what made GCash what it is.
20:10.9
I'm a techie at heart.
20:12.9
Exactly.
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And now that digital banks are a thing here,
20:16.9
how much money are you willing to put into digitalization moving forward?
20:20.9
Because it's still digital, right?
20:22.9
Well, I don't think you'll ever be 100% digital, Salve.
20:25.9
Because banking is a business of trust.
20:30.9
Because our safety is paramount.
20:34.9
And the good example I give is it's so easy for finance people like myself
20:40.9
to read on the web about a financial product and make a decision without talking to someone.
20:45.9
Because I'm trained in that.
20:47.9
But I can do the same about my health, right?
20:50.9
If I feel a symptom, I can go to Google, read all about it.
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And then get sick the next day.
20:55.9
But I would never, never do it myself.
20:58.9
I would still go to a doctor.
21:00.9
So everyone out there who are not financers, you can read about everything.
21:03.9
But in the end, they'll want to come and talk to someone for expert.
21:06.9
Just that level of comfort, right?
21:09.9
So I think you'll always have physical presence.
21:12.9
You'll always need the human touch.
21:14.9
Especially as the services and the products get a little more complex.
21:18.9
At the bank, we are spending close to 14, 15 billion pesos a year on technology.
21:25.9
And about half a billion of that goes just into cybersecurity.
21:30.9
Whoa.
21:31.9
Yeah.
21:32.9
So I think we're the institution that spends the most on cybersecurity.
21:36.9
Because it's very key.
21:38.9
Robots, AI, quantum computing?
21:41.9
All very nice words, Salve.
21:44.9
I think robots will be in the branch of clean.
21:48.9
But AI is a big thing.
21:49.9
Not take deposits?
21:50.9
No.
21:51.9
Well, in a way, our cash acceptance machines are robots, right?
21:56.9
They're not walking.
21:57.9
They're not very cute.
21:58.9
They have to walk.
21:59.9
Then they're cleaning.
22:00.9
Okay.
22:01.9
But in the end, I think artificial intelligence will be a big game changer.
22:05.9
We're beginning to roll out some gen AI tools at the branch where we're using it so that
22:12.9
or we will use it.
22:13.9
It's in development.
22:14.9
It's about to launch in a couple of months where our people, our frontliners will have access to it
22:20.9
so that they can answer any question of the clients.
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And the answer is consistent.
22:25.9
Because obviously, you know, the bank, we've got thousands of products.
22:30.9
We have so many processes, so many policies.
22:33.9
What we've done is we've ingested all that into a platform developed by open AI.
22:39.9
And it's our own little generative AI tool that anyone can ask from the branch in Cebuano, in Ilongo.
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They can ask in their native tongue and it will be an answer.
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And it will be available first to our frontliners.
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Therefore, no more mistakes in the answer.
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Consistency.
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Okay.
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Consistency is more important.
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Okay.
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And then hopefully, we make it available to all BPI employees.
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This is a national ID question, I think.
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Can you use the national ID when you're opening?
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It should say yes.
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It should say yes.
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It does say yes.
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I can demonstrate.
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It says yes.
23:13.9
All right.
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Oh, my gosh.
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We don't have time.
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I have so many more questions you have to return and answer the rest.
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Happy to do so, Sal and Ron.
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I was going to ask about sustainability, financial inclusion.
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And the stock price is now closed at?
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125 today.
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125.
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So far from 15 per share.
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Yeah.
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In 1998.
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Yeah.
23:31.9
Well, the bank's done really well.
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The leadership team there, and I've only been there for three years, so it's really
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not me.
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It's the whole team that's been there.
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And I always say, we just build on the success of the people who came before us.
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And for us, the stock price is a great reflection of our performance.
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And we owe it to our shareholders who continue to deliver.
23:51.9
We have a very clear dividend policy where we pay out 35 to 50 percent of our earnings
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in dividends.
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Two years ago, our dividend was 1 peso 80 per year.
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Last year, it was 3.36.
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And because earnings were up 25 percent, I think people expect the cash dividend to be
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higher.
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All right.
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More money in Ron's bank account.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you, Ron Salve.
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That's your Business Outlook.
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I'm Ron Cruz.
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And I'm Salve Duplito.
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The world tonight comes your way at the top of the next hour.
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Keep it here on ANC.
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