LENI, RISA AT POE SA ELEKSYON 2028, AYON KAY TRILLANES

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And just a populist caring head for his name.

And ano, just for full disclosure, we were supporting Sen. Grace Poe back in 2016.

Yeah, but that's what I'm asking.

Yeah, and like you, we don't agree with that, yung sinasabi nilang,

yan siya ang reason kung ba't natalo si, ano, hindi talaga ganon.

Kung nag-withdraw man si Sen. Grace Poe from the presidency,

tataas lang ang lamang ni Duterte over Marrojas

because iba talaga yung gusto nila, kaya dilipat.

So anyway, what's done is done.

Ngayon, nakikita ko, ang idea nila is if they are going to push for Rafi Tulfo for president,

siguro magandang parisa ng somebody nice.

And ano, alam mo yun?

Babae na tipong...

Very, ano siya?

Often the image.

Oo, parang mas often yung image, parang ganon.

Siguro yun yung compliment na naiisip nila.

And at the same time, palagay ko na na-expose na rin yung kumagay yung myth

na when they elected people like Robin Padilla, Amy Marcos sa vice presidency,

ngayon nakita nila na may mga aspetong kulang.

And in the case ni Amy Marcos,

because of the open war between the Marcoses and the Dutertes,

siya yung casualty.

And tinatamaan din talaga yung numbers niya all around.

And we're getting similar results in our internal survey.

Let's now go to the last but most important part of our episode.

Pag-usapan naman natin ang opposition because Lenny still ends up at number three

dun sa policy she served for 2020.

I mean, we can have a lot of conversation about it,

but it looks like Lenny...

...is the one that's going to win.

Lenny is still being considered as the standard bearer for the opposition should 2020 come.

What does that say?

Because for me, one thing I found interesting in the OCTA research is

one of their researches was about political affiliation.

So nung tinignan nila, 31% is with BBM camp, Loyalista.

20% is with the Duterte camp.

Although I'm shocked na may 1% pa rin ng mga Ilohanos supporting Dutertes.

I was like, sino yung mga Ilohanos niya?

I don't see that in back.

Siguro mga taga-dabao.

May 1% eh.

Kasi mayroon siyang sub-regional, di ba?

So I go, hmm, sino yung mga 1% niya?

Patawagin ko nga yung mga sa Ilohanos.

So that was a very interesting survey.

I found it very, very helpful.

Kasi makikita mo, believable yung mga sub-demographics din eh.

And then, 4% traditional opposition, my understanding, is probably Liberal Party to.

And then, 45%, either undecided, independent, up for grabs.

Hindi ba parang...

Parang good news yan, Sen. Trillianes,

that there's just so much more out there that we can explore in terms of mobilizing na

hindi benta mga Dutertes sa kanila, hindi benta mga Marcoses sa kanila.

I suppose that will also reflect on the Tulfo brand and all.

So there's a large constituency that is still not mobilized.

And perhaps, maybe that should be the conversation for the opposition.

Kasi kanina, purong ibang pinag-usapan natin.

Let's now talk about the option for the opposition.

Real opposition, not the digong opposition.

Okay.

You may have seen the numbers of Lenny Robredo na medyo significant at 11.

But ako naman, ang nakita ko ron, from 28% just two years ago.

Because hindi niya kinonsolidate at pinabayaan basically yung base na yun, bumaba ng 11.

So I'm not saying na parang it's a strong 11, but no, pababa yun.

From 28 yun eh.

And that's the same thing that happened in 2016.

She got 33% of the vote.

But then when she decided to run for president, she only was, I think, 6 or 7.

So inayam mo nang bumaba ng bumaba.

And ganoon na naman nangyayari dito.

Kaya I believe, kailangan na natin talagang mag-ano na, magbago ng liderato.

And si Sen. Teresa is good.

Very much ready to assume that leadership role.

If only itong si Vice President Lenny would openly, categorically, and definitively say,

Sen. Teresa, ikaw na ang hindi na ako tatakbo.

And she can ask the pollsters to strike her name off any 2028 list for president.

Yan eh.

Kasi kung totoong ayaw niya na, or hindi na siya interesado, tumakbo for president.

Kasi kung interesado ka naman pala, then do the legwork.

Di ba?

Mag-trabaho ka.

I-consolidate mo yung pinagkatiwalaan tayo ng 2028.

Siya, in for a matter, pinagkatiwalaan siya ng 2022 ng 28% of the people.

I-anohan mo.

Kung mag-consolidate mo.

Tapos, do the other necessary preparation para kung 2028, eh di, she will win.

Pero kung ganun ulit na style na tipong, teka muna, mabahala na muna kay Jan.

I'll just go around the world muna.

Mag-chill muna ako.

Teka muna, what about the problems of the country?

Di ba? Hindi naman natapos yung problema ng bansa nung natalo siya.

So, ano ba yun?

Did she stop caring about the problems of the country?

So, ano yung mga leadership traits na dinidisplay niya dito?

Or lack thereof, di ba?

Ngayon, sabi ko nga, kung talagang wala naman ng plano,

e di, definitively sabihin mo na, hindi na ako talaga tatakbo.

Final na yan.

Sen. Riza, good luck. I will help you.

I will turn over.

So, should she do a second passing down the...

Talagang, eto na talaga.

Si Riza, by the way, ganoon.

Should she remind him?

Everyone, the Riza is the opposite.

Yes. Kasi yung unang passing of the baton, ano yun eh, merong hangover pa eh.

People were still clinging on to that image of Eleni Robredo presidency.

Kaya hindi pa nagsink in on time na yun.

Tsaka hindi siya widely disseminated.

Pero kung gagawin niya ito ulit, definitively, then mas ano yun, mas ma-appreciate yun ng tao.

Okay, we'll move on na from Eleni, Riza it is.

Then, let's start rallying around Sen. Riza.

And, I think that's the only hope for the independent opposition to have a chance in 2028.

And, again, just to be fair here, siguro ang tingin ko is there are people, I'm not saying Eleni, but maybe there are strategists of her who are saying,

um, let's have strategic ambiguity, if I can put it that way, para siyang yung West Philippine si Paul is,

let's have a strategic ambiguity, let's see what she does.

If 2025 she wins, she wins a local government office, and then she does well, then who knows, maybe she'll be in that position.

What you're saying is that neither here nor there is kind of a suboptimal for everyone.

Because it doesn't allow for Riza to step up, it also doesn't necessarily put her in the best position to get the ball.

Because we can say Sarah is already in a campaign mode in one way or another.

Rafi is already doing that, although he's not directly attacking Sarah.

But, clearly, we see what Rafi's strategy is.

Don't talk about Sarah, make sure that you do your part well.

And, that strategy is working wonders for Rafi Tulfo so far.

From ilang percent lang siya nung two years ago, di ba? Ngayon, 35, magpo 40 percent to siya.

So, what you're saying is that neither here nor there, medyo mali-late na tayo.

Even though some would say, hindi, malayo pa naman ng 2028.

Masyado naman kayong atat, masyado kayong advance mag-isip kayong dalawa.

Well, yung ambiguous approach na yan, yan yung ginawa nila in the lead up to 2022.

Look at what happened to us.

Kung nag-e-expect ka ng different result, dapat, teka muna, the same approach, different result, medyo may problema tayo dyan.

Tapos, sabi ko nga, ma-equate ko yan dun sa no comment ni Sarah.

Di ba?

Baka uso talaga ngayon ng strategy.

Oo, parang gano'n.

Ano na, parang, ito lang yung sa akin.

From a purely public service point of view, bakit kailangan ka pa ba hikayatin or kumbinsihin tumakbong presidente?

Di ba?

Kung talagang nakikita mong you have the capacity to make a difference in the lives of the people,

at marami kang nasimulan ng mga base, and besides, vice president ka eh.

Di ba?

Hindi ba dapat ando do na yun sa'yo na tipong, sige, let's go for it.

Bakit kailangan pang kumbinsihin kung talagang mahalan mo yung bayan, magkukusa ka.

So, yun yung problema ko dyan.

Hindi dapat, eh na ano, hindi dapat nililigawan ang leader.

Dapat yung leader na mumuno.

Right, just a tiny point on this, again, I mentioned yung 40-45% na somehow up for grabs.

How do we get those people on the side of the good fight, Senator Trillianes?

Ano yung mga katangihan, ano yung mga attributes, ano yung mga positioning na sa tingin mong kailangan natin?

Especially mga kabataan, di ba?

Aside from making better TikTok videos and travel vlogs, ano pang ibang kailangan natin, Senator Trillianes?

Well, remember, yun ang aking...

Binabalik ko dun sa 28% ni VP Lenny, just two years ago.

Yun, they held on to that dream.

Di ba?

Ando dun yun.

So, part of that 45 is the 28.

Kasi ang hiniwalay lang naman is the Duterte 21 and the 20 and the 31 of the Marcoses.

That was 4% lang yung Liberal Party opposition.

Oo.

So, bakit?

For that matter, yung 4%.

Nag-shrink pa.

So, dati 28.

So, yung 24 niya na bumoto sa kanya, nando doon sa 45.

Di ba?

So, in fact, kung sino pinakamalaki na walang dito, si Lenny, yung pink base.

Nando doon siya kasi nagahanap sila ng leader.

So, the Tulpo-Sara is essentially the split of unity, di ba?

Yung 60 na yan, that's why Lenny-Sara and Tulpo.

I believe so.

So, ngayon, pagka lumiwanag na yung leadership ng...

Pink, ano, ng pink movement, yun yun, magka-gravitation towards that.

Kasi ngayon talaga napabayaan eh.

Pabayaan.

And, kaya, nagahanap.

Or iba, nasa parang, ano muna, yung holding pattern.

Ano ba nangyayari dyan?

Sige, abangan natin.

But, ano, I believe, ano yan, it boils down to the next leader of the independent opposition.

Kung paano niya ay kakamada.

Ang organisasyon, paano niya ay kakamada yung kanyang mensahe,

at paano niya ma-inspire yung 45 na yan, or at least yung 25 na yan,

na siya yung kailangan pagkatiwalaan, mamuno na ating bansa after the Marcos administration.

Very, very good point.

Actually, even more optimistic than I was considering.

You're right.

Doon sa 40 plus percent na yan, maybe half of that were already...

pathetic, if not already involved in the pink movement.

So, that just tells you how much more is on top tier or under top tier.

Kaya, mahalaga itong mga...

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