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because iba talaga yung gusto nila, kaya dilipat.
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So anyway, what's done is done.
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Ngayon, nakikita ko, ang idea nila is if they are going to push for Rafi Tulfo for president,
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siguro magandang parisa ng somebody nice.
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And ano, alam mo yun?
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Babae na tipong...
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Oo, parang mas often yung image, parang ganon.
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Siguro yun yung compliment na naiisip nila.
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And at the same time, palagay ko na na-expose na rin yung kumagay yung myth
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na when they elected people like Robin Padilla, Amy Marcos sa vice presidency,
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ngayon nakita nila na may mga aspetong kulang.
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And in the case ni Amy Marcos,
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because of the open war between the Marcoses and the Dutertes,
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siya yung casualty.
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And tinatamaan din talaga yung numbers niya all around.
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And we're getting similar results in our internal survey.
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Let's now go to the last but most important part of our episode.
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Pag-usapan naman natin ang opposition because Lenny still ends up at number three
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dun sa policy she served for 2020.
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I mean, we can have a lot of conversation about it,
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but it looks like Lenny...
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...is the one that's going to win.
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Lenny is still being considered as the standard bearer for the opposition should 2020 come.
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What does that say?
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Because for me, one thing I found interesting in the OCTA research is
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one of their researches was about political affiliation.
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So nung tinignan nila, 31% is with BBM camp, Loyalista.
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20% is with the Duterte camp.
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Although I'm shocked na may 1% pa rin ng mga Ilohanos supporting Dutertes.
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I was like, sino yung mga Ilohanos niya?
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I don't see that in back.
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Siguro mga taga-dabao.
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Kasi mayroon siyang sub-regional, di ba?
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So I go, hmm, sino yung mga 1% niya?
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Patawagin ko nga yung mga sa Ilohanos.
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So that was a very interesting survey.
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I found it very, very helpful.
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Kasi makikita mo, believable yung mga sub-demographics din eh.
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And then, 4% traditional opposition, my understanding, is probably Liberal Party to.
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And then, 45%, either undecided, independent, up for grabs.
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Hindi ba parang...
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Parang good news yan, Sen. Trillianes,
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that there's just so much more out there that we can explore in terms of mobilizing na
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hindi benta mga Dutertes sa kanila, hindi benta mga Marcoses sa kanila.
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I suppose that will also reflect on the Tulfo brand and all.
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So there's a large constituency that is still not mobilized.
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And perhaps, maybe that should be the conversation for the opposition.
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Kasi kanina, purong ibang pinag-usapan natin.
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Let's now talk about the option for the opposition.
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Real opposition, not the digong opposition.
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You may have seen the numbers of Lenny Robredo na medyo significant at 11.
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But ako naman, ang nakita ko ron, from 28% just two years ago.
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Because hindi niya kinonsolidate at pinabayaan basically yung base na yun, bumaba ng 11.
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So I'm not saying na parang it's a strong 11, but no, pababa yun.
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And that's the same thing that happened in 2016.
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She got 33% of the vote.
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But then when she decided to run for president, she only was, I think, 6 or 7.
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So inayam mo nang bumaba ng bumaba.
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And ganoon na naman nangyayari dito.
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Kaya I believe, kailangan na natin talagang mag-ano na, magbago ng liderato.
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And si Sen. Teresa is good.
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Very much ready to assume that leadership role.
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If only itong si Vice President Lenny would openly, categorically, and definitively say,
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Sen. Teresa, ikaw na ang hindi na ako tatakbo.
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And she can ask the pollsters to strike her name off any 2028 list for president.
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Kasi kung totoong ayaw niya na, or hindi na siya interesado, tumakbo for president.
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Kasi kung interesado ka naman pala, then do the legwork.
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I-consolidate mo yung pinagkatiwalaan tayo ng 2028.
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Siya, in for a matter, pinagkatiwalaan siya ng 2022 ng 28% of the people.
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Kung mag-consolidate mo.
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Tapos, do the other necessary preparation para kung 2028, eh di, she will win.
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Pero kung ganun ulit na style na tipong, teka muna, mabahala na muna kay Jan.
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I'll just go around the world muna.
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Mag-chill muna ako.
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Teka muna, what about the problems of the country?
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Di ba? Hindi naman natapos yung problema ng bansa nung natalo siya.
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Did she stop caring about the problems of the country?
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So, ano yung mga leadership traits na dinidisplay niya dito?
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Or lack thereof, di ba?
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Ngayon, sabi ko nga, kung talagang wala naman ng plano,
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e di, definitively sabihin mo na, hindi na ako talaga tatakbo.
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Sen. Riza, good luck. I will help you.
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I will turn over.
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So, should she do a second passing down the...
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Talagang, eto na talaga.
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Si Riza, by the way, ganoon.
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Should she remind him?
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Everyone, the Riza is the opposite.
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Yes. Kasi yung unang passing of the baton, ano yun eh, merong hangover pa eh.
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People were still clinging on to that image of Eleni Robredo presidency.
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Kaya hindi pa nagsink in on time na yun.
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Tsaka hindi siya widely disseminated.
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Pero kung gagawin niya ito ulit, definitively, then mas ano yun, mas ma-appreciate yun ng tao.
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Okay, we'll move on na from Eleni, Riza it is.
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Then, let's start rallying around Sen. Riza.
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And, I think that's the only hope for the independent opposition to have a chance in 2028.
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And, again, just to be fair here, siguro ang tingin ko is there are people, I'm not saying Eleni, but maybe there are strategists of her who are saying,
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um, let's have strategic ambiguity, if I can put it that way, para siyang yung West Philippine si Paul is,
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let's have a strategic ambiguity, let's see what she does.
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If 2025 she wins, she wins a local government office, and then she does well, then who knows, maybe she'll be in that position.
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What you're saying is that neither here nor there is kind of a suboptimal for everyone.
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Because it doesn't allow for Riza to step up, it also doesn't necessarily put her in the best position to get the ball.
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Because we can say Sarah is already in a campaign mode in one way or another.
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Rafi is already doing that, although he's not directly attacking Sarah.
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But, clearly, we see what Rafi's strategy is.
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Don't talk about Sarah, make sure that you do your part well.
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And, that strategy is working wonders for Rafi Tulfo so far.
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From ilang percent lang siya nung two years ago, di ba? Ngayon, 35, magpo 40 percent to siya.
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So, what you're saying is that neither here nor there, medyo mali-late na tayo.
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Even though some would say, hindi, malayo pa naman ng 2028.
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Masyado naman kayong atat, masyado kayong advance mag-isip kayong dalawa.
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Well, yung ambiguous approach na yan, yan yung ginawa nila in the lead up to 2022.
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Look at what happened to us.
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Kung nag-e-expect ka ng different result, dapat, teka muna, the same approach, different result, medyo may problema tayo dyan.
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Tapos, sabi ko nga, ma-equate ko yan dun sa no comment ni Sarah.
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Baka uso talaga ngayon ng strategy.
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Oo, parang gano'n.
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Ano na, parang, ito lang yung sa akin.
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From a purely public service point of view, bakit kailangan ka pa ba hikayatin or kumbinsihin tumakbong presidente?
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Kung talagang nakikita mong you have the capacity to make a difference in the lives of the people,
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at marami kang nasimulan ng mga base, and besides, vice president ka eh.
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Hindi ba dapat ando do na yun sa'yo na tipong, sige, let's go for it.
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Bakit kailangan pang kumbinsihin kung talagang mahalan mo yung bayan, magkukusa ka.
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So, yun yung problema ko dyan.
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Hindi dapat, eh na ano, hindi dapat nililigawan ang leader.
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Dapat yung leader na mumuno.
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Right, just a tiny point on this, again, I mentioned yung 40-45% na somehow up for grabs.
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How do we get those people on the side of the good fight, Senator Trillianes?
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Ano yung mga katangihan, ano yung mga attributes, ano yung mga positioning na sa tingin mong kailangan natin?
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Especially mga kabataan, di ba?
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Aside from making better TikTok videos and travel vlogs, ano pang ibang kailangan natin, Senator Trillianes?
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Well, remember, yun ang aking...
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Binabalik ko dun sa 28% ni VP Lenny, just two years ago.
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Yun, they held on to that dream.
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So, part of that 45 is the 28.
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Kasi ang hiniwalay lang naman is the Duterte 21 and the 20 and the 31 of the Marcoses.
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That was 4% lang yung Liberal Party opposition.
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For that matter, yung 4%.
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So, yung 24 niya na bumoto sa kanya, nando doon sa 45.
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So, in fact, kung sino pinakamalaki na walang dito, si Lenny, yung pink base.
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Nando doon siya kasi nagahanap sila ng leader.
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So, the Tulpo-Sara is essentially the split of unity, di ba?
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Yung 60 na yan, that's why Lenny-Sara and Tulpo.
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So, ngayon, pagka lumiwanag na yung leadership ng...
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Pink, ano, ng pink movement, yun yun, magka-gravitation towards that.
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Kasi ngayon talaga napabayaan eh.
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And, kaya, nagahanap.
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Or iba, nasa parang, ano muna, yung holding pattern.
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Ano ba nangyayari dyan?
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Sige, abangan natin.
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But, ano, I believe, ano yan, it boils down to the next leader of the independent opposition.
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Kung paano niya ay kakamada.
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Ang organisasyon, paano niya ay kakamada yung kanyang mensahe,
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at paano niya ma-inspire yung 45 na yan, or at least yung 25 na yan,
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na siya yung kailangan pagkatiwalaan, mamuno na ating bansa after the Marcos administration.
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Very, very good point.
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Actually, even more optimistic than I was considering.
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Doon sa 40 plus percent na yan, maybe half of that were already...
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pathetic, if not already involved in the pink movement.
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So, that just tells you how much more is on top tier or under top tier.
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Kaya, mahalaga itong mga...
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