00:31.5
So nung tinignan nila, 31% is with BBM camp, loyalista.
00:38.0
20% is with the Duterte camp.
00:40.2
Although I'm shocked na may 1% pa rin ng mga Ilocanos supporting Duterte.
00:44.3
I was like, sino yung mga Ilocano niya?
00:46.0
I don't see that in bagay. Siguro mga taga-dabao na Ilocano yan.
00:50.4
Kasi mayroon siyang sub-regional, di ba?
00:52.1
So I go, hmm, sino yung mga 1% niya?
00:55.4
Patawagin ko nga yung mga Ilocano niya.
00:56.9
Mga nasa Ilocano.
00:58.1
So that was a very interesting survey.
01:00.8
I found it very, very helpful.
01:02.2
Kasi makikita mo, believable yung mga sub-demographics din eh.
01:06.0
And then, 4% traditional opposition, my understanding is probably Liberal Party to.
01:10.6
And then, 45% either undecided, independent, opt for grabs.
01:17.3
Hindi pa parang good news yan, Sen. Trillianes,
01:19.6
that there's just so much more out there that we can explore in terms of mobilizing.
01:24.5
Hindi benta mga Duterte sa kanila.
01:27.0
Hindi benta mga...
01:28.1
Marcos sa kanila.
01:29.2
I suppose that will also reflect on the Tulfo brand and all.
01:32.6
So there's a large constituency that is still not mobilized.
01:36.0
And perhaps, maybe that should be the conversation for the opposition.
01:38.9
Kasi kanina, purong ibang pinag-usapan natin.
01:40.7
Let's now talk about the option for the opposition.
01:43.2
The real opposition, not the digong opposition.
01:46.7
While you may have seen the numbers of Lenny Robredo na medyo significant at 11,
01:56.5
but ako naman, ang nakita ko ron, from 28% just two years ago.
02:04.0
Because hindi niya kinonsolidate at pinabayaan basically yung base na yun, bumaba ng 11.
02:11.6
So I'm not saying na parang it's a strong 11, but no, pababa yun from 28 yun eh.
02:19.1
And that's the same thing that happened in 2016.
02:21.6
She got 33% of the vote.
02:24.6
But then when she decided to...
02:26.4
To run for president, she only was, I think, 6 or 7.
02:30.8
So hinayaan mo nang bumaba ng bumaba.
02:33.7
And ganoon na naman nangyayari dito.
02:36.1
Kaya I believe, kailangan na natin talagang mag-ano na, magbago ng liderato.
02:44.4
And si Sen. Teresa is very much ready to assume that leadership role.
02:49.8
If only itong si Vice President Lenny would openly...
02:56.4
Categorically and definitively say,
03:00.8
Sen. Teresa, ikaw na ang hindi na ako tatakbo.
03:06.1
And she can ask the pollsters to strike her name off any 2028 list for president.
03:15.7
Yan eh kung totoong ayaw niya na or hindi na siya interesado tumakbo for president.
03:23.5
Kasi kung interesado ka naman pala,
03:26.4
then do the legwork.
03:31.8
I-consolidate mo yung pinagkatiwalaan tayo ng 2028.
03:36.5
Siya, in for a front matter, pinagkatiwalaan siya ng 2022.
03:40.7
Ng 28% of the people.
03:44.7
Kung mag-consolidate mo.
03:46.3
Tapos do the other necessary preparation.
03:49.4
Para kung 2028, edi she will win.
03:54.1
Pero kung ganoon ulit na style,
03:57.9
Mabahala na muna kay John.
03:59.3
I'll just go around the world muna.
04:01.2
Mag-chill muna ako.
04:05.1
What about the problems of the country?
04:08.3
Hindi naman natapos yung problema ng bansa.
04:11.6
Nung natalo siya.
04:15.6
Did she stop caring about the problems of the country?
04:19.4
So, ano yung mga leadership traits na dinidisplay niya dito?
04:26.2
They're off, di ba?
04:27.9
Ngayon, sabi ko nga.
04:28.9
Kung talagang wala naman ng plano,
04:30.8
edi definitively sabihin mo na,
04:33.4
hindi na ako talaga tatakbo.
04:36.7
Sen. Riza, good luck.
04:39.3
I will turn over.
04:40.1
So, should she do a second passing down the...
04:41.6
Talagang, eto na talaga.
04:43.3
Si Riza, by the way,
04:44.3
should she remind everyone that Riza is the opposite?
04:48.7
Kasi yung unang passing of the baton,
04:52.8
merong hangover pa eh.
04:54.6
People were still clinging.
04:56.2
They were clinging on to that image
04:59.0
of a Lenny Robredo presidency.
05:02.0
Kaya hindi pa nagsink in noong time na yun.
05:04.5
Tsaka hindi siya widely disseminated.
05:07.6
Pero kung gagawin niya ito ulit,
05:10.3
then mas ano yun,
05:12.8
mas ma-appreciate yun ng tao.
05:14.4
Okay, we'll move on na from Riza it is.
05:18.2
Then let's start rallying around Senator Riza.
05:22.5
And I think that's the only hope
05:26.2
for the independent opposition
05:30.9
to have a chance in 2028.
05:33.4
And, again, just to be fair here,
05:37.2
siguro ang tingin ko is there are people,
05:39.0
I'm not saying Lenny,
05:39.8
but maybe there are strategists of her who are saying,
05:41.8
let's have strategic ambiguity,
05:46.4
if I can put it that way.
05:47.4
Para siya yung sa West Philippine si Paulus.
05:49.4
Let's have a strategic ambiguity.
05:50.9
Let's see what she does.
05:52.0
If 2025, she wins.
05:53.5
She wins at local government office.
05:55.7
And if she does well,
05:57.6
maybe she'll be in that position.
05:59.2
What you're saying is that
06:00.5
neither here nor there
06:03.0
is kind of a suboptimal for everyone
06:05.1
because it doesn't allow for Riza to step up.
06:07.5
It also doesn't necessarily put her in the best position
06:10.6
to get the ball rolling for 2028.
06:12.5
Because we can say Sara is already
06:14.7
in a campaign mode in one way or another.
06:17.0
Rafi is already doing that,
06:18.3
although he's not directly attacking Sara.
06:20.1
But clearly, we see what Rafi's strategy is.
06:22.5
Don't talk about Sara.
06:23.9
Make sure that you do your part well.
06:25.5
And that strategy is working wonders for Rafi Tulfo so far
06:28.5
from ilang percent lang siya nung two years ago.
06:30.9
Diba ngayon, 35, magpo 40 percent na siya.
06:33.5
So what you're saying is that this neither here nor there,
06:37.3
medyo mali-late na tayo.
06:38.9
Even though some would say,
06:39.9
hindi, malayo pa naman ng 2028 eh.
06:41.9
Masyado naman kayong atat.
06:43.1
Masyado kayong advance mag-isip kayong dalawa eh.
06:46.0
Well, yung ambiguous approach na yan,
06:48.7
yan yung ginawa nila in the lead up to 2022.
06:54.7
Look at what happened to us.
06:56.4
Kung nag-e-expect ka ng different result,
07:00.2
Dapat, tingnan muna.
07:01.4
The same approach, different result,
07:04.2
medyo may problema tayo dyan.
07:06.0
Tapos ang sabi ko nga,
07:07.3
ma-equate ko yan dun sa ano eh,
07:10.1
sa no comment ni Sara eh.
07:13.5
Baka uso talaga ngayon ng strategy.
07:15.3
Oo. Parang gano'n.
07:19.1
Parang ito lang yung sakin, ano.
07:24.1
Purely public service point of view,
07:28.7
bakit kailangan ka pa ba hikayatin
07:32.1
or kumbinsihin tumakbong presidente?
07:36.4
Kung talagang nakikita mong you have the capacity
07:39.4
to make a difference in the lives of the people
07:42.1
at marami kang nasimulan ng mga base
07:46.7
and besides, vice president ka eh.
07:50.4
Hindi ba dapat ang do-do na yun sa'yo?
07:53.9
Sige, let's go for it.
07:55.7
Bakit kailangan pang kumbinsihin?
07:57.7
Kung talagang mahal mo yung bayan,
08:00.9
So yun yung problema ko dyan.
08:02.9
Hindi dapat eh na ano...
08:05.1
Hindi dapat nililigawan ang leader.
08:09.6
Dapat yung leader namumuno.
08:12.9
Just a tiny point on this.
08:14.9
Again, I mentioned yung 40-45%
08:18.7
somehow up for grabs.
08:20.7
How do we get those people on the...
08:23.9
on the side of the good fight,
08:25.2
Sen. Tertulianes?
08:26.1
Ano yung mga katangihan?
08:27.9
Ano yung mga attributes?
08:28.9
Ano yung mga positioning na sa tingin mong
08:31.5
Especially mga kabataan, diba?
08:33.1
Aside from making better TikTok videos
08:35.3
and travel vlogs,
08:36.4
ano pang ibang kailangan natin,
08:37.9
Sen. Tertulianes?
08:39.3
Well, remember, yun na nga.
08:41.5
Kaya binabalik ko dun sa 28% ni VP Lenny
08:45.9
just two years ago.
08:47.5
Yun, they held on to that dream.
08:52.7
So part of that, for...
08:53.8
yung 40-45% is the 28%.
08:56.1
Kasi ang hiniwalay lang naman
08:58.4
is the Duterte 20 and the 31 of the Marcoses.
09:05.2
4% lang yung Liberal Party opposition.
09:10.3
For that matter, yung 4% nag-shrink pa.
09:13.9
So yung 24 niya na bumoto sa kanya
09:16.3
nando doon sa 45.
09:20.1
kung sino pinakamalaking nawalan dito,
09:26.1
Kasi nagahanap sila ng leader.
09:28.3
So the Tulfo-Sara is essentially the split of UNITIM.
09:32.2
na-spin niya ni Sara and Tulfo.
09:37.0
pagka lumiwanag na yung leadership ng pink,
09:42.0
ng pink movement,
09:45.3
magka-gravitate yun towards that.
09:47.1
Kasi ngayon talaga napabayaan eh.
09:55.5
yung holding pattern.
09:56.7
Ano ba nangyayari dyan?
09:58.1
Sige, abangan natin.
10:02.6
it boils down to the
10:04.5
next leader of the independent opposition.
10:09.1
ay kakamada yung kanyang organization.
10:12.8
Paano niya ay kakamada yung kanyang mensahe.
10:21.5
Or at least yung 25 na yun.
10:23.6
Na siya yung kailangan pagkatiwalaan,
10:26.4
mamuno na ating bansa
10:28.1
after the Marcos administration.
10:30.7
Very, very good point.
10:31.5
Actually, even more optimistic than
10:33.7
I was considering yung una.
10:36.5
Doon sa 40 plus percent na yan,
10:38.7
maybe half of that
10:40.3
were already sympathetic,
10:42.2
if not already involved
10:43.5
in the pink movement.
10:45.1
So that just tells you
10:46.2
how much more is on top tier
10:47.9
or under top tier.
10:48.8
Kaya mahalaga itong mga conversation na yan.
10:50.8
5 am to kanina sa akin,
10:52.5
medyo worried ako na, medyo,
10:53.5
medyo bangaga ako and all.
10:56.1
more than an hour of conversation,
10:59.9
Thank you so much,
11:01.0
Sen. Trillanes, for the passion
11:02.9
and for the wide-ranging discussion
11:04.6
we're having here.
11:05.7
Looking forward to having more of this
11:07.5
Siguro we can do it somewhere
11:10.5
I'm sure ma-appreciate ng tao yan
11:15.5
Thank you so much,
11:17.6
Magpahinga po kayo.
11:19.9
Maraming salamat, Richard.
11:22.3
As always, talk to you soon.
