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Similar results in our internal survey.

Let's now go to the last but most important part of our episode.

Pag-usapan naman natin ang opposition because Lenny still ends up at number three

dun sa policy issue survey for 2028.

I mean, we can have a lot of conversation about it,

but it looks like Lenny still being considered as the standard bearer for the opposition should 2028 come.

What does that say?

Because for me, one thing I found interesting in the OCTA research is

one of their researches was about political affiliation.

So nung tinignan nila, 31% is with BBM camp, loyalista.

20% is with the Duterte camp.

Although I'm shocked na may 1% pa rin ng mga Ilocanos supporting Duterte.

I was like, sino yung mga Ilocano niya?

I don't see that in bagay. Siguro mga taga-dabao na Ilocano yan.

Kasi may 1% eh.

Kasi mayroon siyang sub-regional, di ba?

So I go, hmm, sino yung mga 1% niya?

Patawagin ko nga yung mga Ilocano niya.

Mga nasa Ilocano.

So that was a very interesting survey.

I found it very, very helpful.

Kasi makikita mo, believable yung mga sub-demographics din eh.

And then, 4% traditional opposition, my understanding is probably Liberal Party to.

And then, 45% either undecided, independent, opt for grabs.

Hindi pa parang good news yan, Sen. Trillianes,

that there's just so much more out there that we can explore in terms of mobilizing.

Hindi benta mga Duterte sa kanila.

Hindi benta mga...

Marcos sa kanila.

I suppose that will also reflect on the Tulfo brand and all.

So there's a large constituency that is still not mobilized.

And perhaps, maybe that should be the conversation for the opposition.

Kasi kanina, purong ibang pinag-usapan natin.

Let's now talk about the option for the opposition.

The real opposition, not the digong opposition.

Okay.

While you may have seen the numbers of Lenny Robredo na medyo significant at 11,

but ako naman, ang nakita ko ron, from 28% just two years ago.

Because hindi niya kinonsolidate at pinabayaan basically yung base na yun, bumaba ng 11.

So I'm not saying na parang it's a strong 11, but no, pababa yun from 28 yun eh.

And that's the same thing that happened in 2016.

She got 33% of the vote.

But then when she decided to...

To run for president, she only was, I think, 6 or 7.

So hinayaan mo nang bumaba ng bumaba.

And ganoon na naman nangyayari dito.

Kaya I believe, kailangan na natin talagang mag-ano na, magbago ng liderato.

And si Sen. Teresa is very much ready to assume that leadership role.

If only itong si Vice President Lenny would openly...

Categorically and definitively say,

Sen. Teresa, ikaw na ang hindi na ako tatakbo.

And she can ask the pollsters to strike her name off any 2028 list for president.

Yan eh kung totoong ayaw niya na or hindi na siya interesado tumakbo for president.

Kasi kung interesado ka naman pala,

then do the legwork.

Di ba?

Mag-trabaho ka.

I-consolidate mo yung pinagkatiwalaan tayo ng 2028.

Siya, in for a front matter, pinagkatiwalaan siya ng 2022.

Ng 28% of the people.

I-anohan mo.

Kung mag-consolidate mo.

Tapos do the other necessary preparation.

Para kung 2028, edi she will win.

Pero kung ganoon ulit na style,

na tipong,

Teka muna,

Mabahala na muna kay John.

I'll just go around the world muna.

Mag-chill muna ako.

Teka muna,

What about the problems of the country?

Di ba?

Hindi naman natapos yung problema ng bansa.

Nung natalo siya.

No?

So, ano ba yun?

Did she stop caring about the problems of the country?

So, ano yung mga leadership traits na dinidisplay niya dito?

Or lack?

They're off, di ba?

Ngayon, sabi ko nga.

Kung talagang wala naman ng plano,

edi definitively sabihin mo na,

hindi na ako talaga tatakbo.

Final na yan.

Sen. Riza, good luck.

I will help you.

I will turn over.

So, should she do a second passing down the...

Talagang, eto na talaga.

Si Riza, by the way,

should she remind everyone that Riza is the opposite?

Yes.

Kasi yung unang passing of the baton,

ano yun eh,

merong hangover pa eh.

People were still clinging.

They were clinging on to that image

of a Lenny Robredo presidency.

Kaya hindi pa nagsink in noong time na yun.

Tsaka hindi siya widely disseminated.

Pero kung gagawin niya ito ulit,

definitively,

then mas ano yun,

mas ma-appreciate yun ng tao.

Okay, we'll move on na from Riza it is.

Then let's start rallying around Senator Riza.

And I think that's the only hope

for the independent opposition

to have a chance in 2028.

And, again, just to be fair here,

siguro ang tingin ko is there are people,

I'm not saying Lenny,

but maybe there are strategists of her who are saying,

let's have strategic ambiguity,

if I can put it that way.

Para siya yung sa West Philippine si Paulus.

Let's have a strategic ambiguity.

Let's see what she does.

If 2025, she wins.

She wins at local government office.

And if she does well,

then who knows,

maybe she'll be in that position.

What you're saying is that

neither here nor there

is kind of a suboptimal for everyone

because it doesn't allow for Riza to step up.

It also doesn't necessarily put her in the best position

to get the ball rolling for 2028.

Because we can say Sara is already

in a campaign mode in one way or another.

Rafi is already doing that,

although he's not directly attacking Sara.

But clearly, we see what Rafi's strategy is.

Don't talk about Sara.

Make sure that you do your part well.

And that strategy is working wonders for Rafi Tulfo so far

from ilang percent lang siya nung two years ago.

Diba ngayon, 35, magpo 40 percent na siya.

So what you're saying is that this neither here nor there,

medyo mali-late na tayo.

Even though some would say,

hindi, malayo pa naman ng 2028 eh.

Masyado naman kayong atat.

Masyado kayong advance mag-isip kayong dalawa eh.

Well, yung ambiguous approach na yan,

yan yung ginawa nila in the lead up to 2022.

Diba?

Look at what happened to us.

Kung nag-e-expect ka ng different result,

diba?

Dapat, tingnan muna.

The same approach, different result,

medyo may problema tayo dyan.

Tapos ang sabi ko nga,

ma-equate ko yan dun sa ano eh,

sa no comment ni Sara eh.

Diba?

Baka uso talaga ngayon ng strategy.

Oo. Parang gano'n.

So eh, ano na.

Parang ito lang yung sakin, ano.

From a...

Uhm...

Purely public service point of view,

bakit kailangan ka pa ba hikayatin

or kumbinsihin tumakbong presidente?

Diba?

Kung talagang nakikita mong you have the capacity

to make a difference in the lives of the people

at marami kang nasimulan ng mga base

and besides, vice president ka eh.

Diba?

Hindi ba dapat ang do-do na yun sa'yo?

Na tipong...

Sige, let's go for it.

Bakit kailangan pang kumbinsihin?

Kung talagang mahal mo yung bayan,

magkukusa ka.

So yun yung problema ko dyan.

Hindi dapat eh na ano...

Hindi dapat nililigawan ang leader.

Dapat yung leader namumuno.

Right.

Just a tiny point on this.

Again, I mentioned yung 40-45%

somehow up for grabs.

How do we get those people on the...

on the side of the good fight,

Sen. Tertulianes?

Ano yung mga katangihan?

Ano yung mga attributes?

Ano yung mga positioning na sa tingin mong

kailangan natin?

Especially mga kabataan, diba?

Aside from making better TikTok videos

and travel vlogs,

ano pang ibang kailangan natin,

Sen. Tertulianes?

Well, remember, yun na nga.

Kaya binabalik ko dun sa 28% ni VP Lenny

just two years ago.

Yun, they held on to that dream.

Diba?

Ando dun yun.

So part of that, for...

yung 40-45% is the 28%.

Kasi ang hiniwalay lang naman

is the Duterte 20 and the 31 of the Marcoses.

4% lang yung Liberal Party opposition.

Oo.

So bakit?

For that matter, yung 4% nag-shrink pa.

So dati 28.

So yung 24 niya na bumoto sa kanya

nando doon sa 45.

Diba?

So in fact,

kung sino pinakamalaking nawalan dito,

si Lenny.

Yung pink base.

Ando doon siya.

Kasi nagahanap sila ng leader.

So the Tulfo-Sara is essentially the split of UNITIM.

Diba?

Yung 60 na yan,

na-spin niya ni Sara and Tulfo.

I believe so.

So ngayon,

pagka lumiwanag na yung leadership ng pink,

ng pink movement,

yun yun,

magka-gravitate yun towards that.

Kasi ngayon talaga napabayaan eh.

Pabayaan.

And...

kaya nagahanap.

Or iba, nasa...

parang ano muna,

yung holding pattern.

Ano ba nangyayari dyan?

Sige, abangan natin.

But ano,

I believe,

ano yan,

it boils down to the

next leader of the independent opposition.

Kung paano niya

ay kakamada yung kanyang organization.

Paano niya ay kakamada yung kanyang mensahe.

At paano niya

ma-inspire

yung 45 na yun.

Or at least yung 25 na yun.

Na siya yung kailangan pagkatiwalaan,

mamuno na ating bansa

after the Marcos administration.

Very, very good point.

Actually, even more optimistic than

I was considering yung una.

You're right.

Doon sa 40 plus percent na yan,

maybe half of that

were already sympathetic,

if not already involved

in the pink movement.

So that just tells you

how much more is on top tier

or under top tier.

Kaya mahalaga itong mga conversation na yan.

5 am to kanina sa akin,

medyo worried ako na, medyo,

medyo bangaga ako and all.

Pero as always,

more than an hour of conversation,

like a breeze.

Very passionate.

Thank you so much,

Sen. Trillanes, for the passion

and for the wide-ranging discussion

we're having here.

Looking forward to having more of this

in the future.

Siguro we can do it somewhere

in Tagaytay,

in person.

I'm sure ma-appreciate ng tao yan

para ano,

alam mo na.

Thank you so much,

Sen. Trillanes.

Magpahinga po kayo.

God bless.

Maraming salamat, Richard.

Thank you.

As always, talk to you soon.

Thank you.