01:22.5
It is a borderless and hidden crime.
01:25.5
It happens mostly in the home and is likely facilitated by trusted guardians,
01:30.4
and sometimes parents.
01:32.2
There are many drivers of this crime,
01:34.0
including poverty, easy and unsupervised access to the Internet and online payment portal,
01:39.8
and prevailing social norms, such as No Touch, No Harm or It's Just a Webcam ,
01:44.7
and English being widely spoken.
01:48.3
President Marcos ordered the DILG and PNP to intensify the monitoring of cases government agencies and organizations.
01:58.9
There are one of four further thank you calls for Tribal Emergency anybody.
01:59.4
and have increased presence in communities.
01:59.9
to come down on perpetrators with the full weight of the law
02:03.5
and directed the DSWD and other agencies to streamline and improve the process of investigation
02:10.0
to make sure that children are protected and families are properly reintegrated.
02:15.3
He also ordered the further collaboration with private sector and internet service providers
02:19.9
on a local and global scale and an awareness campaign in schools and communities.
02:24.6
And to give us a detailed breakdown of the ongoing initiatives to fight OSAEC and CISAEM,
02:32.0
we are joined by DOJ Assistant Secretary Jose Dominic Clavano IV
02:37.1
and Officer in Charge of the NCC OSAEC-CISAEM, Attorney Margarita Magsaysay
02:42.9
and the PNP Chief of Women and Children Protection Center, Police Brigadier General Portia Manalad.
02:50.3
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. It's quite a heavy topic.
02:54.6
Yes, let's proceed. Go ahead, Attorney Magsaysay.
02:58.8
So as mentioned by Ms. Daphne, we informed the President of the ongoing initiatives
03:04.7
that our government agencies are doing to combat OSAEC and CISAEM.
03:10.2
So there is a lot of angles to fight this crime.
03:14.8
We are focusing on four key result areas in order to combat this.
03:18.6
So there's the prevention and advocacy.
03:21.7
We have programs for that in order to raise awareness
03:24.6
about the gravity of the crime.
03:26.8
We also have the prosecution and law enforcement
03:29.4
where we, of course, have our law enforcement agencies
03:36.0
helping out with the investigation of these crimes
03:40.1
as well as our prosecutors to prosecute this crime.
03:44.2
We also have our key result area on protection and reintegration,
03:48.5
making sure that children have access to the mandatory services,
03:54.6
provided for them under the law,
03:56.3
such as the emergency shelter, psychosocial services,
04:00.7
and for them to be able to be reintegrated back into the society.
04:05.2
And of course, we have another key result area,
04:07.4
which is partnership and networking,
04:09.3
making sure that we are engaging civil society organizations
04:12.7
as well as other NGOs in order to help us combat this.
04:17.1
So the President noted that we are doing a lot of initiatives,
04:20.9
but he wants us to consolidate our efforts
04:23.4
and focus more on the prevention and reintegration of these crimes.
04:24.6
So he was saying, insofar as the DOJ is concerned,
04:31.3
focus all your efforts into the prosecution.
04:33.8
So sa law enforcement, sa mga law enforcement agencies,
04:37.0
really crack down on these perpetrators.
04:41.8
Let's improve our tips, the leads that we're getting.
04:45.4
Also for the grassroots level, for the DILG,
04:48.3
let us create ordinances to properly...
04:54.6
properly apprise the barangays
04:56.4
on how to report cases of osaik and sisaim,
04:59.5
as well as for the DICT as well,
05:03.8
so that they can also help us with the private sector,
05:09.7
for them to be more cooperative.
05:13.5
Of course, because they have data
05:16.6
that will be able to...
05:18.9
that will help us generate and lead us to IP addresses
05:24.1
of civil society organizations,
05:24.4
of certain users,
05:25.8
which will be helpful for our law enforcement agency...
05:28.2
agency officers to crack down
05:30.8
on who are sending these kinds of sisaim,
05:33.0
who is receiving these kinds of sisaim.
05:36.3
Thank you, Atty. Monsayisay.
05:38.5
Let's move on to ASEC, Clavano.
05:42.0
Yes, good morning, everyone.
05:44.5
Yes, this is indeed a very heavy topic
05:46.5
because despite our efforts being considered
05:51.7
a best practice around our region,
05:54.4
we still see the insurgence of this type of crime, no?
05:58.6
And as aptly described earlier,
06:03.7
it's an egregious crime,
06:05.6
a very heinous crime,
06:06.9
and we believe that it is embedded in the culture already.
06:11.6
There are certain difficulties
06:13.2
that the law enforcement sees, no?
06:16.5
When trying to quell this type of crime
06:18.7
or to prevent this type of crime
06:20.1
because, as also mentioned,
06:22.0
it's a hidden crime.
06:23.1
And it's hard to spot,
06:26.1
especially because it's done within the homes
06:28.4
of the families of the victims.
06:31.7
And as pointed out,
06:35.8
are perpetrated by those that fall within
06:40.9
what is called the circle of trust.
06:43.3
And that involves or that includes
06:45.4
parents, close relatives,
06:48.5
and those who assert moral influence over the child.
06:53.1
Obviously, these things are very alarming.
06:56.3
Yesterday at the meeting,
06:58.0
the president was visibly distressed,
07:04.7
and clearly stressed
07:07.2
with the information that was relayed to him,
07:10.0
which is why he gave the directive,
07:14.5
a very strong directive,
07:16.0
to the DOJ, to the PNP,
07:18.1
and other law enforcement agencies
07:19.6
to further intensify the efforts.
07:23.1
Not to say that we have not yet
07:26.0
put any effort into this.
07:28.1
There are a lot of key result areas
07:29.9
which we are monitoring,
07:31.5
which have been mentioned by
07:33.2
E.D. Kitt over here.
07:35.9
But his directive is to further intensify these efforts,
07:39.7
to further look into how we can come up
07:42.7
with a holistic solution
07:44.4
because this cannot only be done
07:46.9
by a whole-of-government approach,
07:49.1
but if not, whole-of-nation approach,
07:50.9
which includes the private sector,
07:53.1
the social media platforms
07:54.8
where these crimes usually occur.
07:57.7
Facebook, for example,
07:58.8
he asked the DOJ to intensify talks with Facebook
08:03.3
and to remind them of their obligations under the law.
08:08.0
So all of these have been taken into,
08:11.0
obviously, we've taken note
08:12.9
of all of the directives of the president,
08:15.4
and we do plan to implement them
08:19.6
within our respective areas
08:21.1
and respective departments,
08:23.1
departments, and agencies.
08:24.5
So under the DOJ,
08:27.6
because we have already set forth
08:30.5
Department Circular 20,
08:32.7
which requires now the prosecutors
08:34.9
to work hand-in-hand with our police officers,
08:38.3
we believe that with the legal background
08:41.2
and the law enforcement investigation skills
08:43.7
of the police officers,
08:45.3
we are able to build quality cases
08:48.9
for the courts, no?
08:50.5
Because previously,
08:53.1
there was only a very little
08:55.2
or a very low level of evidence required
09:01.6
with the advent of DC-20,
09:03.5
only those that have sufficient evidence
09:06.2
and a prima facie case
09:08.1
with a reasonable certainty of conviction
09:10.8
will be filed before the courts,
09:15.1
thereby increasing the conviction rate.
09:18.1
So this obviously puts a lot of pressure
09:20.7
on our law enforcement agencies
09:23.1
to get the right evidence,
09:25.2
to get the right statements,
09:27.8
to get the right witnesses to testify,
09:32.2
to be able to come up with a very strong case.
09:34.2
And I think this is one of the things
09:36.2
that will help us in this,
09:38.3
in this endeavor, no?
09:39.4
To prevent finally,
09:40.7
or to finally put an end
09:42.3
to OSAIC and CISAEM.
09:48.3
turn over the mic to General Portia
09:53.1
the side of the PNP.
09:54.7
Thank you very much.
09:55.4
General Manala, go ahead.
09:56.8
The Women and Children Protection Center
09:59.0
is the lead agency
10:01.0
when it comes to OSAIC.
10:03.8
considered as a trafficking in person case.
10:10.3
we are trying to,
10:13.1
our best to do something
10:15.3
or prevent OSAIC from happening.
10:18.4
But then the law,
10:19.6
and the law was passed last,
10:23.7
which is RA 11930,
10:27.8
And we have numbers
10:31.7
and rescued victims.
10:35.5
The Philippine National Police,
10:37.8
under the WCPC's work,
10:43.1
in investigation,
10:44.2
is investigation,
10:49.3
to rescue victims,
10:51.8
and arrest facilitators in the Philippines.
10:55.0
We also collaborate with other foreign law enforcement agencies
10:59.1
through the PICAC,
11:00.4
or the Philippine Internet Crimes Against Children,
11:04.1
which is under the Philippine National Police Women and Children Protection Center.
11:09.3
The PICAC is composed of the UK National Crime Agency,
11:15.1
the Australian Federal Police,
11:17.9
the Netherlands Police,
11:22.6
they refer cases when they found on the devices,
11:26.1
on the other countries,
11:27.8
when they arrest criminals who have on their devices CSA-M,
11:34.2
and then refer it to us if there are Asian looking Philippine or Filipino children.
11:39.6
And we do the rescue and arrest of facilitators.
11:43.5
In the Philippines, we only have facilitators or groomers.
11:47.8
Right now, we don't have yet those perpetrators.
11:53.2
So, that is for the Philippine National Police.
12:00.2
Harley Valbuena, DZME.
12:10.2
Hi, good morning po.
12:12.2
may we know if there is already a reported case of AI-generated child exploitation material in the Philippines?
12:21.2
what are our preparations against this?
12:25.2
Right now, we don't have AI-generated.
12:31.2
but the Philippine National Police and, of course, the IYAKAT is preparing for that.
12:35.2
Ah, I just arrived from a meeting, ah, through the Virtual Global Task Force,
12:40.2
where we are, ah, even other countries like South Korea is still developing a, a, a tool
12:46.2
to identify AI-generated, ah, um, CSA-M.
12:51.2
Are we doing the same, ma'am?
12:52.2
Will we also develop a system to, ah, counter that?
12:55.2
Yes, as partners of those countries, we are trying to develop those tools in order to come up with one.
13:02.2
Maricel Halili, TV5.
13:04.2
Hello, magandang umaga po.
13:07.2
can, can we have, ah, details kung saan usually areas natin nakikita, ah, na rampant itong USAIC and CSA-M?
13:16.2
And, ah, sino usually yung market nila?
13:21.2
You have the details?
13:26.2
Ang nakikita po naming, ah, rampant ngayon areas of USAIC and CSA-M ay Cagayan de Oro, Iligan, and
Taguig.
13:36.2
So, yung po yung nakikita natin.
13:38.2
Um, your second question is kung bakit po ito nangyayari?
13:41.2
Eh, kung sino yung market nila?
13:44.2
Well, definitely po, they target the vulnerable.
13:46.2
So, who are the vulnerable?
13:47.2
They are the children na, um, who are in the poorer side of the country, no?
13:52.2
Who are in the rural areas.
13:54.2
Um, tinatarget nila sila because, um, they're easy, they're easy targets because, um,
13:59.2
USAIC is a financially lucrative activity.
14:02.2
So, kumahagat na yung mga ibang perpet, ah, kumahagat na yung mga victims, mga 300, 200, um, for just showing CSA-M, showing nude pictures.
14:12.2
Ganun na po sila, yes.
14:15.2
200, 300, according, yes po.
14:16.2
That's how bad it is.
14:18.2
That's why nagugulat rin po kami na parang, um, mas, mas tumata, mas mababang ngayon ang, ah, value.
14:26.2
Pero mas madaming CSA-M.
14:28.2
And it's because of that.
14:29.2
Eh, it's becoming cheaper, it's becoming more accessible to perpetrators.
14:33.2
So, yun po ang nakakagulat rin po.
14:36.2
It's very alarming because, um, CSA-M has become more accessible to, um, these perpetrators.
14:42.2
Right. May I add?
14:43.2
Um, so, the, the following are the key findings.
14:46.2
So, for psych victims, uh, the average age of a psych victims at the time of, of referral or rescue was 11 years old, with less than one year old being the youngest.
14:56.2
In fact, earlier, um, the youngest victim was about three months old, which is very alarming.
15:03.2
Um, it's, uh, it's something that is unthinkable for us, no?
15:07.2
But apparently it happens and, uh, all we have to do really is to spread the awareness, spread the information that these things are really necessary.
15:16.2
So, the family is not normal.
15:17.2
Where the facilitator is a parent or a family member, the modal victim age is in the pre-adolescent range.
15:24.2
While where the family facilitator is not a family member, the modal age profile is the adolescent range.
15:32.2
Victims of OSAIC were predominantly female at 86%, and a significant number of victims, which is 14%, were male.
15:43.2
OSAIC was usually a family-based crime.
15:46.2
with the biological parents facilitating the abuse of 41% of the victims
15:52.2
and other relatives facilitating the abuse for another 42% of the victims.
15:57.5
And without intervention, the abuse usually lasts for two years.
16:01.5
So this is the information and the research done by the National Coordinating Center
16:08.8
and obviously these are going to be the target areas
16:13.5
and the policies obviously will revolve around the data that was collected.
16:17.9
And sino yung bumibili ng mga materials? Are they foreigners? From what countries?
16:23.1
Well, usually they are older men from English-speaking and more developed and Western countries.
16:30.5
But the customers, as noted here, are not necessarily even pedophiles,
16:36.0
meaning to say they don't have any overt acts in their own countries
16:40.1
where they displayed pedophilia.
16:43.5
So they just enjoy watching them on the internet, social media, and other platforms.
16:51.6
Which is, again, very alarming because we seem to be a favorite spot or a source
17:01.2
for these Western countries to abuse, to simply view.
17:11.9
It really does that.
17:13.5
We feel comfortable for our children or for us in government
17:17.8
that our children are being used and viewed all over the country in this way.
17:25.6
Alan Francisco, BTV4.
17:28.6
Hi, sir. Hi, ma'ams.
17:31.2
Kagayan de Oro Iligan, both from Mindanao at isa sa Taguig dito sa NCR.
17:36.3
Anong commonality, sir, ng tatlong ito?
17:39.7
Anong panawagan niyo, sir, sa authorities sa tatlong...
17:43.5
Is it considered top three na mataas yung kaso na ganyan itong hotspots dito, sir and ma'am?
17:49.8
You know, when you say kasi po, there are a lot of incidences of osaik in those areas, no po,
17:56.1
it could be a good thing and a bad thing.
17:57.9
Why do I say that?
17:59.1
It could be a bad thing, obviously, kasi madaming osaik ang nangyayari doon.
18:05.9
Sorry, it could be a bad thing, no po, kasi madaming osaik ang nangyayari doon.
18:09.0
But it could also be a good thing, kasi that means mataas ang reporting.
18:13.5
Tapos ang masama dito sa osaik, walang nagre-report.
18:16.8
That's the challenge that we are trying to address here.
18:21.8
It's as what Sina Asec are saying and Sina Police Brigade are saying na this is a hidden crime.
18:28.2
Walang magustong magsumbong, walang child ang...
18:30.9
Natatakot sila eh, that's their parents, di ba, who are the traffickers who are doing that to them.
18:35.0
Takot sila na makukulong yung mga parents nila.
18:37.9
No one wants to report this.
18:39.2
Sa mga neighbors naman nila, ayaw rin nila mag-report yung mga neighbors kasi para sa kanila,
18:43.3
dapat walang pakialaman, you know, this is a family business, this is a family affair.
18:48.6
So, yun po, no, to know the true extent or the prevalence of osaik, talagang mahirap po talaga to get an accurate data
18:57.2
because of the under-reporting.
19:02.6
Ivan Marina, GMA7.
19:05.0
Nabanggit niyo po nag-number one source ng osaik ang Pilipinas in 2016.
19:09.6
Has that changed?
19:10.3
I think it's better for us to be termed as a global hotspot.
19:18.4
Kasi yun nga po, the prevalence, I think the accuracy of the data, it's hard to detect, first of all,
19:23.8
kasi pati yung live streaming eh, we consider that live streaming of osaik at sisaim as a violation of the law,
19:30.0
but wala pang internet intermediary ang nakakakuha or nakakanoot na mayroong live sisaim,
19:40.3
going on in their live streaming platform.
19:43.0
So, we can't really catch that.
19:46.2
That's one of the things that we are in continuous talks with the internet intermediaries, mga social media platforms,
19:52.5
is that we need to catch them in, you know, the live streaming platforms that you are providing to your users.
19:59.1
Dapat makuhuli rin natin sila doon kasi madami nangyayari niya eh.
20:03.3
Yeah, I was actually going to get there next.
20:06.0
Are we getting cooperation from the telcos and also, yeah, from the...
20:10.3
from the social media platforms by which these are perpetrated?
20:15.9
Yeah. So, we are getting cooperation.
20:18.7
Meron namang mga internet intermediaries who give us access to their portals,
20:24.0
which is easier for our intelligence agent to report to them any cases of osaik at sisaim.
20:31.5
But, ayun na, under the law, kasi marami rin talaga silang duties and responsibilities eh.
20:35.3
Like, for example, their turnaround time for reporting to the DOJ,
20:39.3
any incidences of osaik.
20:41.8
Tako-comply naman, pero, you know, sometimes may mga lapses din.
20:46.4
At saka, ayun nga, we hope to be able to mandate, no po,
20:53.1
yung mga internet service providers to continuously upgrade their system.
20:57.4
Kasi we're hoping na we'll have that technology na hindi na po tayo IPv4, IPv6 na sana.
21:05.3
What do I mean by that?
21:06.3
The way I understand it is, we are able to detect from one IP,
21:10.3
one address, to one definite user.
21:12.9
So, I understand that will be a definite big help sa mga law enforcement agents namin
21:16.8
because they have the information.
21:18.7
Kaya lang yung IPv4 na binibigay sa kanila,
21:21.2
ay ang dami mga users who are using the same IPv address.
21:25.4
So, ayun po, that's under the law.
21:28.8
Talagang, it's just a matter of pushing talaga or getting a policy from the government,
21:33.8
mandating mga telcos.
21:36.0
One last from my end.
21:36.8
Do we have an estimate how much money goes around in osaik?
21:40.0
I mean, how much is the quote-unquote industry worth?
21:44.9
I can give you po yung STRs, the suspicious transaction reports that is reported by the AMLC.
21:51.7
So, in their study na po,
21:54.6
the volume of the suspicious transaction reports that was reported to them by the covered persons,
22:00.5
mga banks ito, mga money service businesses,
22:02.6
for the year 2020 ay 83,348,168.
22:10.0
It's 106 in value.
22:12.8
So, that's just for the...
22:14.0
Yes, yes, in pesos.
22:16.6
So, that's just for the second half, no?
22:19.2
Second half of 2020.
22:20.2
In 2021, yung STR volume po, suspicious transaction report,
22:29.7
That's the volume.
22:31.0
Yung value naman ng volume na yun is 996,000...
22:35.4
Sorry, 996,705,000.
22:45.2
the STR volume is 92,200
22:48.3
and its value was 478,278,797 pesos.
22:58.0
So, safe to say, billions na po.
23:00.0
Ang umikot na pera dito.
23:02.7
Maybe also we can go back to how during the pandemic,
23:09.0
when children were...
23:10.0
when they were at home,
23:11.2
they were not safe.
23:14.4
This study also shows that
23:16.7
children are largely unsupervised online in the Philippines.
23:21.7
Meaning, akala nyo, safe sila, tahimik sila, okay sila,
23:24.8
pero hindi nyo naman alam kung ano ginagawa nila sa internet.
23:27.8
So, unsupervised by parents.
23:29.4
They are English-speaking,
23:30.8
so targeted sila ng mga predators abroad
23:33.8
dahil madali silang kausap
23:35.6
at mababait ang mga Filipinos.
23:37.4
They're hospitable.
23:38.0
And, again, easy and free access to the internet and mobile phones dito sa Pilipinas.
23:44.9
Kaya naman, yesterday, President Marcos was very, very alarmed and very, very disturbed.
23:52.3
At gusto niya itong tutukan ng lahat ng ahensya and whole of society and even the private sector.
23:58.9
Dahil, sabi niya, wala sa kultura natin ito.
24:01.7
Hindi ito gawa ng Pilipino.
24:03.7
However, dahil online na siya at masyado na siyang common,
24:08.0
even the parents think na wala namang nasasaktan dahil camera lang siya.
24:12.7
Pero mali yun, mali yun.
24:15.3
Okay, let's go to Julie Aurelio, inquirer.
24:22.8
Hello, Atty. Magsaysay.
24:24.7
You mentioned, well, you've all mentioned that Osaek and Sisaem is a hidden crime.
24:30.6
Given that we have a problem with the reporting of cases,
24:34.3
do you have like a projection or an estimate of
24:36.5
how much actually goes unreported?
24:43.8
Say, if you have, say, five cases, how much is actually unreported to you?
24:52.3
It's hard to capture something na unreported.
24:57.9
But ganito na lang po.
24:59.2
Maybe just a projection.
25:01.8
So, a lot of our investigations na po are actually coming from law.
25:06.5
International law enforcement.
25:09.8
Yung sinasabi po ni Police General na Pai Kakno po.
25:16.3
We have very good coordination with them.
25:20.0
And doon na lang natin sometimes nalalaman na meron palang biktima dito.
25:24.7
So, I think we get a lot of our tips and leads from the foreign law enforcement.
25:30.6
So, nakakatulong po sila because, ayun nga,
25:33.6
we are not, if we don't have anything,
25:36.5
tips coming from them of any Filipino victim who is in the Philippines,
25:42.1
we will not know because it's hard to,
25:44.7
it's hard to be able to know na kung hindi walang reporting sa ganun.
25:51.1
Sorry, I'm sorry ma'am.
25:53.8
My next question is directed to you.
25:55.6
So, tama po ba yung intindi ko?
25:57.7
There are little to few cases reported to local law enforcement?
26:03.4
Is there little to few?
26:08.3
Ganito po kasi yan.
26:10.2
May mga findings kami na sa ibang bansa,
26:13.7
pag may mga nahuli,
26:15.1
yung ating mga other foreign law enforcement agencies,
26:18.6
they will refer those cases to us.
26:20.8
Pag may nakita sila sa devices na may mga foreign,
26:25.5
So, pag nakita nila yun,
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we will try to find yung bata.
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Kung sino man yung nandun sa CSAM.
26:34.1
And then, pag nakita namin na Filipino yun,
26:36.1
we will try to rescue the child.
26:38.7
And arrest yung kanyang facilitator na sinabi natin kanina.
26:43.0
Usually, somebody na parang relative or guardian ng bata.
26:47.7
Ganito po kasi nakikita namin.
26:50.1
Isang facilitator, maraming bata.
26:53.8
So, kaya dumadami yung CSAM natin.
26:56.6
Kasi sa isang bata, usually, dalawa, tatlo.
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So, isang facilitator o isang offender na nasa Philippines,
27:05.3
ang kanyang nakukuha or yung nasa ibang bansa,
27:08.4
ang nakukuha niyang CSAM ay marami.
27:11.3
Maraming bata ang kanyang nag-adulture
27:13.1
o yung nag-groom, yung tawag mo namin.
27:18.4
So, maraming CSAM from the Philippines,
27:21.0
sometimes isa lang ang offender
27:22.5
o isa lang ang facilitator or groomer.
27:26.1
Just to follow up, sorry.
27:27.7
Just the last question.
27:29.1
Following up on that,
27:30.7
when you arrest the perpetrators or the groomers
27:33.3
or the facilitators of the Philippines,
27:34.9
or the facilitators of the Philippines,
27:39.5
ano yung explanation na,
27:40.9
ano yung sinasabi nila sa inyo,
27:42.7
why do they do that to their own wards,
27:45.0
to their own children?
27:46.3
And the second question may be answered by the DOJ.
27:50.1
We have statistics on successful prosecution
27:54.4
which actually reach the prosecutor's level,
27:58.4
the court level, etc.
28:03.1
Of course, yung sasabihin nila,
28:05.3
talaga napakadalihong kumita dito sa ganitong transaksyon,
28:09.9
lalo na kung galing sa ibang bansa.
28:12.0
Yung isang offender namin,
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millions ang kita niya sa isang buwan.
28:18.1
So, masyadong lucrative or ano yun,
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masyado siyang enticing para.
28:24.3
And yung kanilang galing lang sa paggawa ng mga channels,
28:29.2
ang kanilang puhunan.
28:31.4
Others naman, lalo na kung ito ay kamag-anak,
28:33.9
ay yung facilitator,
28:35.0
or grooming para magbigay o gumawa ng isang content ang bata
28:42.5
Usually, hindi nila alam yung mga magulang na ito pala ay,
28:47.1
kung hindi naman physically nahahawakan yung bata,
28:51.0
ay walang harm dun sa bata.
28:53.2
O kaya, sometimes yung mga magulang ay wala doon
28:57.8
at itong mga bata ay nasa guardian.
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So, ganon po yung nakikita namin usually
29:05.0
reason o yung mga bakit yung bata
29:08.1
ay nagkamero ng CSAM sa internet.
29:13.0
So, on the side of...
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Yung sa prosecution.
29:17.6
So, I have data here on the convictions
29:21.1
made under several laws
29:27.4
the OSIIC law was passed.
29:31.6
there have been 523 convictions.
29:35.0
When the law was passed in 2022,
29:46.1
200 convictions were made
29:48.3
after the law was passed.
29:50.9
So, we see a very significant jump, no?
29:53.6
After this law and this tool was given to the law enforcement
29:56.8
and to the prosecution
29:58.1
to actually convict perpetrators of OSIIC and CSAM.
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However, this number,
30:05.0
is still not satisfactory to the government
30:08.0
and to the president.
30:09.7
And that is why he asked
30:11.7
and he directed the relevant agencies
30:14.5
to further ramp up their efforts.
30:16.5
Because, even if we have seen a spike
30:19.5
because of the law that was given to us
30:21.5
and we obviously thank the Congress
30:24.5
for giving us such a valuable tool
30:27.5
in preventing these and to catch these perpetrators,
30:31.2
we still think that there's a lot to be done,
30:33.9
a lot of cover to be...
30:34.9
a lot of ground to be covered
30:36.9
in terms of OSIIC.
30:38.9
And as already mentioned,
30:40.9
these will come in the form of
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grassroot reporting mechanisms
30:44.9
whereby people who are embedded in the community,
30:48.9
people who have standing in their areas,
30:52.9
will serve as that mechanism
30:55.9
to bridge between the community
30:57.9
where the crime actually happens
30:59.9
and the law enforcement
31:01.9
who can do something about it.
31:05.9
just so I may add,
31:07.9
even if the law enforcement
31:09.9
gets a hold of the information,
31:11.9
it's still a tough job
31:12.9
considering that most of the perpetrators
31:14.9
are within the circle of trust.
31:18.9
we have to look at the problem holistically
31:21.9
to be able to come up with a holistic solution as well.
31:24.9
Because once you separate the families
31:27.9
from the child victim,
31:29.9
the problem does not end there.
31:32.9
You have to be able to
31:34.9
integrate them properly into society.
31:36.9
Without the necessary rehabilitation,
31:40.9
and reintegration into the community,
31:42.9
then you're just creating a bigger problem.
31:45.9
So, these two things go hand in hand.
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wherein we will take strides
31:51.9
in making improvements,
31:53.9
but also the reintegration,
31:55.9
rehabilitation of the victims.
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Alvin Baltazar, Radyo Pilipinas.
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Good morning, sirs.
32:06.9
Maybe I should address my question
32:08.9
to General Manalat.
32:10.9
General, can you cite lang po
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yung several traumas
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na na-experience ng victim,
32:16.9
particularly doon sa mga bata
32:18.9
since pinag-uusapan natin mga bata?
32:20.9
And ano po yung mga
32:22.9
ginagawa nating measures
32:24.9
para yung naranasan nilang ganitong
32:28.9
hindi nila dalhin sa paglaki-laki
32:31.9
Nasabi ko kanina na ang WCPC
32:33.9
or ng Philippine National Police
32:35.9
is involved in the investigation,
32:37.9
the rescue and arrest
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of the facilitator.
32:41.9
During the process,
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of course, yung ating mga
32:45.9
investigators are trained
32:47.9
to handle children.
32:53.9
investigators are trained
32:55.9
to handle children.
32:59.9
may mga tools na rin tayo
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like VD, the video,
33:03.9
during the interview,
33:05.9
meron na rin tayong tools
33:07.9
na ginagamit so that they will not
33:09.9
be re-traumatized when they
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what happened to them,
33:15.9
yung pag-interview ng police.
33:17.9
During the interview,
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as part of the Iyakat.
33:25.9
yun pong psychological
33:29.9
under YOYO ng DSWD.
33:33.9
is the interview so that we can file
33:35.9
cases against the perpetrators.
33:39.9
ganun din ho, kami ho ay trained
33:41.9
in the Philippines
33:43.9
and abroad on how to handle
33:49.9
So, sa tingin ko ho,
33:51.9
and yung trauma ho,
33:53.9
nakikita namin na meron ho
33:55.9
kaming mga dati na
33:57.9
rescue pero ngayon ho ay
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facilitators na when they grow up.
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Yun ho yung mga nakikita namin
34:03.9
na may mga nakita ho
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yun ho ang ayaw naming maulit pa.
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But then, maganda ho yung
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gobyerno, especially
34:17.9
ng tulong ng Iyakat
34:19.9
through yung different agencies,
34:21.9
lalo na yung DSWD
34:23.9
as partner ho namin during the handling
34:25.9
or yung interviewing of the child.
34:33.9
Yung nabanggit ni
34:35.9
General, medyo disturbing po
34:37.9
yun. Yung dating victims
34:39.9
naging exploiters na. So,
34:43.9
ano po bang sectors
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yung vulnerable sa ganitong
34:47.9
uri ng crimes? Again,
34:49.9
ano yung profile nung mga
34:51.9
usually nabibiktiman
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Although nabanggit niyo yung
34:59.9
they are from poor families mostly.
35:05.9
actually po were conducted
35:07.9
already regarding sa OSAIC na po.
35:09.9
So, this was a study conducted by IJM.
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Yung mga key findings
35:13.9
sa mga OSAIC victims. So,
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I think this was actually mentioned also by
35:17.9
ASIC-NICO. So, they are
35:21.9
from the vulnerable sector of society.
35:25.9
family-based crime siya.
35:27.9
So, usually dapat may access talaga yung
35:29.9
facilitator sa child.
35:33.9
po what you are asking? Kung ano po yung
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profiles nila? So, usually low-income family.
35:37.9
Low-income, yes. Opo.
35:39.9
So, how do we, what are we doing
35:41.9
to address? Kasi apparently
35:43.9
nagiging cycle siya. So,
35:45.9
in the long term, how do you
35:47.9
change the mindset of these
35:49.9
people? Kasi may mga tao na narescue
35:51.9
nyo, and then ibabalik din sila sa dati.
35:53.9
And worse, they can even
35:55.9
encourage some people
35:57.9
around them na, oh, this is a lucrative business.
35:59.9
So, how do you end that
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kind of cycle? Okay. So, this is
36:03.9
where the wonderful partnership
36:05.9
with civil society organizations
36:07.9
and NGOs come in.
36:09.9
We were fortunate enough to meet,
36:11.9
there's this NGO,
36:13.9
they're called Bidislio Foundation. I'm not
36:15.9
sure if anyone has heard of them. They're based
36:17.9
in Cebu. And what they do is
36:19.9
that those OSAIC and
36:21.9
traffic victims who are reintegrated na into
36:23.9
society, hinahanapan nila ng
36:25.9
trabaho. So, they partner with
36:27.9
private sectors, and they
36:29.9
try to train these mga
36:31.9
reintegrated victims
36:33.9
and capacitate them in order for them
36:35.9
to become employable sa mga na-partner
36:37.9
nila with their private sectors. So,
36:39.9
you know, as mentioned by
36:41.9
General Manala, the
36:43.9
DSWD is also doing its part, pero
36:45.9
ang maganda rin talaga dito, madaming
36:47.9
NGOs also who are helping out, who
36:49.9
have that kind of program. So,
36:51.9
isa na yun, maganda po talaga. We were able
36:53.9
to visit yung mga
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ginagawa nilang mga programs,
36:57.9
mga baking, ganun, yung
36:59.9
parang mga helping out
37:03.9
call center agents.
37:05.9
So, minsan do, ang napapansin nila,
37:07.9
nag-relapse yung mga OSAIC
37:09.9
victims. But then, you know,
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they were saying na, we're always
37:13.9
here to help you out also. You can
37:15.9
always come back, huwag na kayo lumingon ulit,
37:17.9
you know, keep moving forward. So,
37:19.9
that's just one of the many
37:21.9
programs that other NGOs are also doing
37:25.9
na gumanda yung buhay nila after the
37:29.9
Though poverty is one of the biggest
37:31.9
drivers of this crime, the
37:33.9
President did say yesterday
37:35.9
that poverty is not an excuse
37:37.9
to hurt children.
37:39.9
At nananawagan siya sa mga
37:41.9
pamilya, bantayan ng mga
37:45.9
talagang, for him talaga, walang crime
37:47.9
na mas malaki than this.
37:51.9
Pia Gutierrez, ABS-CBN.
37:53.9
Pia Gutierrez, ABS-CBN.
37:55.9
Kay General Manalig po,
37:57.9
going back dun po sa question dun sa
37:59.9
AI-generated exploitation
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materials, you said na wala
38:03.9
pong reports na nangyayari dito sa Pilipinas,
38:05.9
but how seriously
38:07.9
is the PNP and the
38:09.9
government looking at this?
38:13.9
sino po kaya yung
38:15.9
pwede maging vulnerable with this
38:17.9
new types of technology and what is
38:19.9
the government doing about this po?
38:23.9
AI-generated, um,
38:27.9
nung sinabi ko, um,
38:29.9
even other countries are still developing
38:31.9
the tool in order to really
38:33.9
identify AI-generated.
38:35.9
Kasi hindi naman po pwede natin
38:37.9
sabihin na AI-generated ito.
38:41.9
challenge nga ho sa atin dito
38:43.9
is pag na-identify natin, kahit nga
38:45.9
ho yung ibang mansa, pag na-identify
38:47.9
natin na AI-generated ito,
38:51.9
kung, ah, yung bantas ba
38:55.9
mas sapat para masabi na ito
38:59.9
So kahit yung ibang bansa po, yung mga ibang
39:01.9
law enforcement agency, challenge ho ito
39:03.9
sa kanila talaga. So we're still
39:05.9
developing that tool.
39:07.9
Um, we are very serious ho.
39:09.9
We, we, we, we really,
39:13.9
tinitingnan ho namin ito na challenge
39:15.9
talaga para sa amin later on.
39:17.9
Kasi ngayon nga lang ho, di ba ho,
39:19.9
um, under, ah, nasa
39:21.9
dark web sila. Kami
39:23.9
ho ay, ah, we are trying
39:25.9
to find, ah, really,
39:27.9
yung, yung technology na kaya nila,
39:31.9
Or parati ho silang nandon sa,
39:33.9
kumbaga, a step ahead
39:37.9
And then, um, then
39:39.9
itong AI-generated, we are really, ah,
39:41.9
doing everything na yung mga
39:43.9
personal namin, doing yung
39:45.9
undercover and, ah,
39:47.9
investigation ay trained
39:51.9
Ah, we are still waiting
39:53.9
for, for the tools, but
39:55.9
ah, we are ongoing na ho
39:57.9
yung trainings for the AI-generated
39:59.9
and other AI, ah, materials
40:01.9
yung para sa CISA-M po.
40:03.9
Hindi po ba tayo natatakot na
40:05.9
by the time that we get the tools already
40:07.9
or the technology is in place
40:09.9
already, then it's already too late na?
40:13.9
sa ngayon ho, meron ng trainings
40:15.9
and then the tools,
40:21.9
we are waiting for that one, for the law enforcement
40:23.9
side ho. For CISA-M ho, ito ay, ah,
40:25.9
hindi ho yung AI na
40:29.9
we are waiting for that one.
40:31.9
Ah, last week lang
40:33.9
ho, I was, ah, able to
40:35.9
join yung virtual global task force.
40:37.9
Ah, meron na silang dinedevelop.
40:39.9
So baka padating na rin ho sa atin.
40:41.9
And ititrain din ho yung
40:43.9
mga tao natin. Pero, ang
40:45.9
iba't-ibang UN agencies naman
40:47.9
ho, are giving already, ah,
40:49.9
kinakapacitate na yung mga ating mga
40:51.9
law enforcers para doon sa
40:53.9
identification. But that,
40:55.9
wala pa ho ng tools.
40:59.9
kung pwede lang po magtanong ng other
41:01.9
topic. Ah, wait, before we move
41:03.9
on to another topic, okay, is yours
41:05.9
related to this? Ah, Sam?
41:07.9
Yeah, Sam Edanilla, business mirror.
41:11.9
Ma'am Magsaysay po, ah, earlier
41:13.9
na-mention po nila yung data nung
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ah, transactions na
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galing sa, ah, data
41:19.9
ng AMLC. Yung regarding po
41:21.9
doon sa suspicious transactions.
41:23.9
Bale, yung data po, yun
41:25.9
purely related lang po sa OSAIC
41:27.9
at CASAIM. Or may others,
41:31.9
other illegal activities rin na nandun
41:33.9
sa amount. Opo. The way
41:35.9
that the covered persons reported it sa
41:37.9
AMLC po, sa mga narrative report nila
41:39.9
sa SCR, it was tagged as
41:41.9
CASAIM. Or sa, ah, child pornography
41:43.9
no, before ang tawag doon. But
41:45.9
it's OSAIC na po ngayon eh. So yes,
41:47.9
just to OSAIC. Tapos, ano po ba yung
41:49.9
primary mode of, for
41:51.9
transacting? Na-mention po nila
41:53.9
na millions of pesos yung
41:55.9
nage-exchange dito. So ano
41:57.9
po ba yung ginagamit nilang mode para
41:59.9
mag, ano? Ang madalas po ay mga
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money service banks. Hmm.
42:03.9
So, ah, yung po yung nakikita na trend po
42:05.9
ng ating, ah, ng AMLC. It's mostly
42:07.9
ah, money are being generated
42:09.9
from, or remittances coming
42:11.9
from money service banks. Ah, tapos
42:13.9
ano pong, are there any measures
42:15.9
to regulate this? Para hindi na po siya
42:17.9
magamit? Well, ah,
42:19.9
the, our AMLC po, ha, ha, ha,
42:21.9
has, ah, ah, conducted po
42:23.9
mga studies na po. So, included
42:25.9
sa mga studies nila, may mga red flags doon.
42:27.9
Indicators. What could possibly,
42:29.9
um, constitute, what
42:31.9
money transactions could possibly constitute
42:33.9
si OSAIC and si SIAM. So, for instance,
42:37.9
small amount na coming from,
42:39.9
um, coming from abroad
42:41.9
to someone in the Philippines
42:43.9
na hindi naman nila kamag-anak. Diba?
42:45.9
So, little, um, parang, little
42:47.9
by little na everyday, kahit
42:49.9
gaano ka maliit, pero laging may
42:51.9
pinag-anggap from that certain person.
42:53.9
Or from, someone from abroad na
42:55.9
laging may pinapadala na little
42:57.9
amount but to different people dito sa Philippines.
42:59.9
So, those are some,
43:01.9
it's hard kasi po eh. Kasi diba hindi naman talaga
43:03.9
OSAIC at si SAM ang nakikita nila.
43:05.9
But, those could be,
43:07.9
um, red flag indicators.
43:09.9
That, that kind of crime is ongoing.
43:13.9
the law also po, they are, we are waiting
43:15.9
po for the guidelines for the AMLC
43:17.9
in order to be, ah, to properly,
43:19.9
um, guide po yung mga
43:21.9
payment system providers natin
43:23.9
on, um, what constitutes
43:25.9
as red flags as, ah, what
43:27.9
possible money transactions could
43:31.9
Tapos, last question na lang po.
43:33.9
Na-mention rin po nila kanina nakikipag-cooperate
43:35.9
po sila sa mga social media
43:37.9
at telcos. Na-mention po
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nila na meron sila yung
43:41.9
reporting mechanism. Pero meron din
43:43.9
po bang data regarding dun sa kung ilang
43:45.9
accounts yung pinaklosed down ng mga
43:47.9
social media or telcos
43:49.9
regarding dito sa...
43:51.9
So, ang closed down po
43:53.9
is different from takedown.
43:55.9
So, when you say closed down, sa NTC
43:57.9
yun, sila talaga nagbablock ng buong website.
44:01.9
takedown naman, you just take down the material.
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So, um, I do have data.
44:07.9
I'll just go, I'll just skim over po my
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notes for that. But, one moment.
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Sige po. Thank you po. Okay.
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We'll get back to you because we're running out of time.
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Um, let's go back to Alvin Baltazar.
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Okay. Roger Pilipinas.
44:23.9
Uh, other topic po,
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Sana. Ay, mamaya na.
44:27.9
Mamaya na po. Idan Santos na
44:29.9
25. I can answer this question already.
44:31.9
Um, so, sa Iyakat po and sa NCC
44:33.9
OSAIC, we have our Cyber Tip Monitoring
44:35.9
Center. So, we have intelligence agents
44:37.9
there. So, since August of
44:39.9
2023, ang takedown po
44:41.9
na cases nila, na takedown
44:43.9
po nila sa, using the Meta portal,
44:45.9
Meta, which is Facebook, ay 81.
44:47.9
81 takedown na po ng mga OSAIC
44:49.9
at SISAI materials.
44:51.9
Okay. So, Idan Santos na
44:55.9
Reader General Manalad,
44:57.9
is it possible po,
44:59.9
uh, General, na ngayon pa lang pwedeng
45:01.9
pag-aralan na po yung
45:03.9
posibleng batas na pwedeng, uh,
45:07.9
sa Kongreso laban po dito sa
45:09.9
mga AI-generated materials?
45:11.9
Uh, para pagdating
45:13.9
nung trainings ninyo,
45:15.9
meron na rin nakasupport ang
45:17.9
batas, ano po. Lalo talagang naman
45:19.9
natin ngayon, eh talagang talamak po
45:21.9
itong mga deepfake, ano,
45:23.9
at lalo, Pangula natin, isa na rin
45:25.9
sa mga biktima po.
45:27.9
Ma'am, pasok na po siya sa
45:29.9
Republic Act 11930. Nag-uusap
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po kami ngayon ni D. Orchie, ng
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ating, ni ASIC po.
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Um, pasok na po siya
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sa Republic Act 11930.
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ini, ang, ang kanina po ang sinasabi
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kong challenge is yung pagdumating po siya
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katulad sa ibang bansa na hindi
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technology po kasi, eh, ang
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pinag-uusapan po natin dito is the technology.
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then, kung itong pinag-uusapan
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natin is the basic AI,
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uh, generated, di ba po, it's
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already in the, uh, in the law. So,
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11930. Just to build on
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what, uh, General said, no,
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um, because there are some internet
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intermediaries, um, meron
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na silang, um, systems in place, eh, no,
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kapag real child ang involved.
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Yun talagang madedetect nila if si Siam's
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going on. But, they're telling us their
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system does not yet recognize
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AI-generated children.
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So, I guess that's what Colonel, uh,
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General Manalo po is saying is that they're trying
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to improve or upgrade their system to, to
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recognize these IA, um,
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generated images of children.
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uh, can you consider it as lucrative
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business talaga? Kaya parang
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pabalik pa ulit-ulit lang, pabalik-balik.
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At saka hindi mo ba
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defer yung penalty laban doon
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sa mga mapapatunayan po,
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either kahit magulang pa nila yan
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or kamag-anak para hindi na
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pabalik-balik pa ulit-ulit lang
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yung nangyayari mga ganitong nga kaso.
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Ma'am, pag napatunayan na
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nag-violate talaga ng RA 11930,
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ang pinakamatas na penalty
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yata, ma'am, is life imprisonment.
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yan po ang, yan po ang
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Um, lucrative po, kanina po,
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nasabi, ma'am, na talagang
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millions, hundred of millions
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ang, uh, ang, um,
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kinikita ng, uh, facilitator
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or ng perpet, ng, ofen,
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ng perpetrator po.
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So, sa tingin ko po,
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very lucrative siya when it comes to
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Okay. Last na lang po.
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Um, kunwari po yung bata,
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ang may, ang facilitator, yung
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meron na po bang pagkakataon na,
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nag-urong ng reklamo
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yung bata or, uh, hindi
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niya po pinayagan na makasunay yung magulang.
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At yung ating pong batas ang siyang,
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uh, nagsusulong ng kaso again sa
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magulang. Sa ngayon po, wala pa
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kami nakita na umurong yung bata
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dahil magulang o nanay. Uh,
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usually ho, ang bata
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ay nakahiwalay na kagad sa magulang
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o sa kung ang, ang
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perpetrator ho o yung facilitator
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niya ay yung nanay niya o yung tatay niya.
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to that na po, we actually have, uh,
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the DOJ actually, um,
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issued a memorandum, uh, circular, no?
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Um, directing all our
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prosecutors to vehemently oppose
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mga affidavit of desistance
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that was executed by the child
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or the family or the guardians.
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That's actually also, um, as directed
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under the law. Bawal pong affidavit of desistance.
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Okay. Let Narciso,
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we have time for just
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a few more questions. Oh, uh,
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doon po siya nabanggit, uh,
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200 convictions noong 2022.
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Pwede pong malaman, uh, out of
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ilang cases na na-file ito?
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so, it's a very high conviction rate.
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because of the case
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build-up rule. So, nagkaroon po
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tayo ng magandang mekanismo,
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uh, together with the police
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and the prosecutors na hindi naman
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tayo magpa-file ng case pag alam natin
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na mahinang ebidensya.
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So, with the, uh, with the new
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memorandum circular, sorry, department
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circular, um, mandating
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the hand-in-hand coordination between
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the police and the prosecutors, we've come
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up with a very good conviction rate.
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However, just the number of cases
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that have been filed alone are
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unsatisfactory to us so far.
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So, kahit maganda po yung conviction rate
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and at least we know that we have a good mechanism
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on hand, we still have
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to ramp up the number of cases being filed
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Okay. Can we entertain?
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Pia Gutierrez, ABS-CBN.
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Ate, topic po, uh, Yuse Clavano.
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Si former Senator Trillanes
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said that he has information
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that, uh, ICC investigators
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are already in communication with
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active and former PNP
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officials in connection to their
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ongoing probe on the previous administration's
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drug war. Meron na po ba
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tayo? Is the DOJ aware of this?
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Well, we have not
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received the same information, no? So,
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um, just like everybody else,
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we found out from Senator
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Trillanes about this supposed
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development. But, uh, I think
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we've been consistent from the very start
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that, uh, we have a working justice system here
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in the Philippines, evidenced by
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a lot of different, uh,
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cases and reforms that we have been
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undertaking. And the commitment has
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never been stronger, no? To
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prevent, um, and to
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hold responsible and accountable
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those erring law enforcement officers
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who engage in, uh,
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this, um, heinous
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crime, I would say, no? Of, uh,
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extrajudicial killings. So, even
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without, uh, verifying the,
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uh, the information, the
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government stance is consistent
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ever since. Um, the President has
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been very firm, um, by
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saying that we will not, we will not recognize
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the jurisdiction of the ICC
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because we indeed have a very
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well, um, and robust justice
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system. Following on that,
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sir, um, since the Philippines will not
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cooperate in the ICC
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probe, does that cover government officials
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as well? Meaning, bawal po ba sila
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makipag-cooperate on their
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personal capacity if kinontak sila ng
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ICC? Well, um, as
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mentioned by the Solicitor General,
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um, this is a government
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when a, uh, a government
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officer or official
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is, uh, coordinating with the
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direction or the orders,
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and the policy of the government,
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there may be accountability,
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um, involved. So,
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you know, if, if there's any
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law enforcement or, um, government official
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that goes against the policies
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and orders of the authorities
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in, in position, then
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obviously there will be some sort of
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conflict of interest, there
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will be, um, accountabilities and
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definitely liabilities that go with it.
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What about retired officials, sir?
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Well, if they are acting in
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their, um, civilian
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capacity or personal capacity,
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then, of course, we have
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to hold over them, no?
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Um, however, again,
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not recognize anything that will come
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out of that, uh, that conversation
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or coordination with them.
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Nasa lang, sir, anong pwede ikaso
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sa kanila, yung mga magkakooperate,
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There are, there are certain provisions
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under, um, Republic Act
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6713, which is the conduct
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So, these are ethical
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guidelines followed by all
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public officials, um, and
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if you go against the policy, it will
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be, uh, found under
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those provisions, no? The liabilities.
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Thank you. Thank you. Uh, Alvin
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Baltazar, Radyo Pilipinas.
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Mike, please, Eden.
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uh, under Mother's Day, po, uh,
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Asek, uh, any update on the, uh,
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currently being undertaken
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on the case of, uh, Pastor
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Amid his refusal to subject himself,
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court's jurisdiction?
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the respondent or the accused has
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to submit his, his person to
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the, to the court for the court to be able
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to assert its jurisdiction, no?
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And to subject him to other
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processes under the law. As of
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right now, there are two outstanding warrants
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of arrest for the two cases of child
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abuse and qualified trafficking.
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Um, just as an update as well,
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we've transferred the cases
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Pasig City, um, so that,
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team of prosecutors may be
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able to prosecute the
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both cases together and jointly,
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we are still, obviously,
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he's still at large, so the law enforcement agent
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are still on the lookout,
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um, and, uh, they've continued
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the operations to be able to arrest,
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um, on the basis of the warrants
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that have been issued by the court.
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As actions navigate on, uh, he's still at large,
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uh, based on the information you have,
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nandito pa rin pa siya sa
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Pilipinas? Yes, we
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do have, uh, information that he
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is still within the country, unless
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there are new developments from,
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from the police, no? But as far as
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our information is concerned at the
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DOJ, he is currently still in the
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country. Isa na lang, Asik, uh,
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how about the case of, uh, Bantag and
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Tevez? Kamusta na po sila?
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Well, on the, obviously,
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there's an international component to the
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Tevez case, no? He is now arrested
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and under the custody of the police
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in Timor-Leste. However,
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we are awaiting the, uh, the
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decision of the courts there as we have
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submitted already the
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request for extradition,
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they got to Timor-Leste,
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actually, that operation was a
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success because when they had arrived
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in, uh, Timor-Leste, two hours
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after their arrival, the arrest of
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Tevez, um, happened, no?
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And for them to come home without him
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is not an unsuccessful operation.
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In fact, it was successful
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because the only responsibility
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of the law enforcement, especially
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the NBI director, was to have him arrested.
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So it was a success. I think
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the director was just being humble when he said that
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they were being uncooperative over there,
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but it was not, it was no longer his responsibility.
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It is the responsibility of
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the legal team to now,
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uh, go through the process, um,
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to have him extradited or deported
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back to the Philippines. So,
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you know, with these things, we just have to stay patient.
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We are dotting all the I's,
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crossing all the T's to make sure that
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we are, we follow the right process, we
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respondent due process so that there
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is nothing that can be
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attributed to the government saying
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that we did not, we took shortcuts and
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what not. So we have taken
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every process possible
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to get this done. And we are here at the tail end now.
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Um, once he is back here in the Philippines,
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we hope that he will
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muster the courage to finally face his
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charges in court.
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We have a general idea already of
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his whereabouts, so
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it's just a matter of time. Again,
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with these things, we just have to stay patient.
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These things don't happen overnight.
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Um, the wheels of justice, they
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grind slowly, but they grind
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very finely. So we just have to
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And, no, okay. I think
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okay, last question.
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Julie Aurelio, Inquirer.
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Yeah, it's okay. Mike,
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Um, may request po yung
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Akbayan for the DOJ
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whole departure order against Kibuloy.
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What do you have to say about
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that request? Thank you. Yes,
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um, that has been brought up, and
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I believe the prosecutors have
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already filed their motion, no,
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to, to issue a whole
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departure order. These are normal,
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um, legal processes
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that the prosecutors are very
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used to. So once you
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have a, uh, a respondent or an
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accused that is, uh, a flight
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risk, especially given the resources
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that, uh, this person has,
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then the prosec- the prosecutors
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are very diligent in, uh,
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in making sure that that doesn't happen,
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no, that, uh, the, the,
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the accused is able to leave the country
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without actually facing
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the, the allegations in the proper forum.
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But, but so far, sir,
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is he on the lookout bulletin of
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the BI? Yes, yes.
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Thank you, sir. Okay,
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thank you for all the questions, Malacanang Press Corps.
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And again, on the OSAIC and
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CISAEM, the President, uh,
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would like to convene another meeting next month.
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So we should probably hear another
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update from that. Thank you, General
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Manalad, Asec Lavano, and
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Attorney Magsaysay of the DOJ. And,
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um, maraming salamat, Malacanang Press Corps.
