00:21.0
in the pursuit of electoral integrity and transparency.
00:24.7
House Resolutions No. 145 and 146
00:27.5
aim to probe the gross and massive unlawful disbargements
00:31.2
and accountability of public funds
00:33.9
in the province of Cagayan
00:35.3
in aid of legislation
00:36.9
orchestrated by Governor Manuel Mamba
00:39.7
and PGC employees
00:41.7
during the 2022 national and local elections.
00:45.2
With the eight previous hearings conducted
00:47.3
almost a year ago,
00:49.5
we have uncovered the grim truth
00:51.3
that transpired during the 2022 national local election
00:54.5
in the province of Cagayan.
00:59.6
cash advances were rendered
01:02.7
amounting to 320 million pesos
01:05.1
10 days bago ang election day.
01:08.2
Na una sa lahat ay walang legal na basean
01:10.7
dahil wala sa circulating COA rules
01:16.5
ang pinaggamitan ng
01:19.2
ang pinaggamitan ng
01:20.2
Take note ng findings ng COA
01:23.1
in the report only pertains to the disbargement
01:28.6
How about the cash advances made
01:30.3
from March 25 to April 27?
01:34.4
hindi pa nailalabas yung total cash advances
01:37.0
despite the interviews made by
01:41.3
and shown in Bombo
01:44.0
was presented here
01:48.9
committee hearing.
01:51.6
Himself stating na hindi lang
01:53.5
320 milyon ang pinamigay niya
01:57.4
700 milyon o higit pa
01:59.5
at kailangan nga daw
02:01.5
800 milyon dahil higit
02:03.3
800,000 ang butante
02:07.2
At kinumpirma na ito ni
02:09.2
Vice Governor Vargas
02:11.2
na noong nakaraang mga hearing
02:12.7
walang ordinansang pinasaang
02:15.0
sanggunyang panlalawigan sa pamamahagi
02:17.6
ng tig-isang libong piso
02:19.0
sa bawat butante ng kagayan.
02:22.1
Bilang karagdagan,
02:24.1
maraming requirements sa batas
02:25.5
na hindi naman na comply bago na
02:27.4
release ang nagsabing cash advances.
02:29.5
Isa na lamang dyan ang pagpapile
02:31.3
ng cash ban bago mag-cash advance.
02:35.3
department head na si Helen Donato
02:37.7
isa sa mga department head niya
02:39.2
ng provincial government, ang nagsabi
02:41.4
at pinagyabang pa
02:43.3
dito sa hearing na ito
02:45.6
na ang pagkakalam niya ay pwede
02:47.4
siyang magkaroon ng unlimited cash advance
02:49.8
kahit na wala siyang sapat na
02:51.3
cash ban na finial sa Bureau of Treasury.
02:55.3
Jail Warden Catalino
02:57.4
Miarugay ay pinayagan din
02:59.1
ng mag-cash advance for alleged
03:00.9
pandemic relief assistance
03:02.8
kahit na ang posisyon niya ay wala
03:05.1
namang kinalaman sa nasabing
03:07.1
purpose and despite being under
03:09.3
oath, pabago-bago ang
03:11.1
kanyang mga statement.
03:13.1
Nakonfirma rin na noong na-distribute
03:15.2
ng financial assistance sila Mamba
03:16.9
during the prohibited period ay wala
03:19.3
silang approved certificate
03:21.1
of exception. As confirmed
03:23.2
by Attorney Rafael Olano,
03:25.0
the decision partially approving the certificate
03:27.2
of exception was only promulgated
03:29.7
on May 25, that is
03:31.5
16 days after election.
03:33.4
He further concluded that the effectivity
03:35.3
of the approval by the Comlec could only
03:37.5
take effect on the day of its promulgation
03:39.4
which was May 25,
03:41.4
again 16 days after election.
03:44.2
No less than the Provincial
03:45.4
Agriculturist Perlita Mabasa
03:47.2
also admitted na may
03:49.2
task force na binuo for the
03:51.2
distribution of 1,000 pesos
03:54.3
during a time na covered ng election.
03:57.2
Mga empleyado din ng
03:59.4
provincial government ang mga
04:01.2
membro ng task force na ito.
04:04.1
Narinig din natin na
04:05.3
maging ang radio program
04:09.0
kung saan ginagamit ni Mamba
04:11.0
bilang plataforma niya sa pag-iere
04:13.5
ng kanyang mga komentaryo
04:15.4
at pangbabatikos na pag-alaman
04:17.5
sa nakaraang hearing na ang
04:19.2
pondong binabayad sa Bombo Radio
04:21.0
ay excessive according to COA
04:23.4
and it was beyond the appropriated
04:25.5
amount as confirmed by
04:27.2
Vice Governor Vargas.
04:28.4
Sa mga nakaraang pagdinig
04:30.4
ng komite, kinumpirma
04:32.4
ng land bank na may withdrawals
04:34.2
na ginawa ang PGC
04:36.1
during the prohibited period
04:39.1
national and local election.
04:42.2
Hindi lang yun na pag-alaman
04:44.4
din po na hanggang gabi
04:46.2
ng Bernes, may delivery pa
04:48.3
ng cash withdrawals.
04:50.0
Ngunit nitong mga nagdaang hearings
04:52.0
noong tinanong na ang proseso
04:54.1
kung paano ginawa itong withdrawals
04:57.2
at kung pwede silang mag-release
04:58.7
ng necessary documents or information
05:00.7
regarding sa withdrawal,
05:02.9
ang depensa ng land bank
05:04.2
ay hindi nila maaring sagutin
05:06.0
o i-release ang may ito
05:07.7
dahil sa Bank Secrecy Act
05:15.8
these funds that we're talking about
05:18.6
are public funds.
05:21.7
simula pa noong una,
05:22.9
laging nirarason ni Mamba
05:26.2
na cleared naman ang transactions nila
05:30.0
And during the course of the hearing,
05:32.1
may mga constituents pa tayo
05:33.8
who have constantly texted me
05:36.3
na parang nag-aabogado
05:38.2
si Auditor Eric Reyes
05:40.3
for the provincial government
05:41.7
sa kanyang mga kasagutan
05:43.5
and they were asking me
05:44.8
bakit for several years
05:46.7
walang ginawa ang COA
05:48.3
despite the apparent illegality of transactions.
05:51.4
But through the factual findings
05:52.8
in these congressional hearings,
05:55.0
COA finally released
05:57.0
and notices of these allowances
05:59.3
na indeed may mga illegalities
06:01.6
and irregularities committed
06:03.1
by the provincial government
06:05.7
of Cagayan officials.
06:08.0
At dahil sa mga nadiskobre natin
06:09.8
during the past hearings,
06:11.4
we now see the gaps and loopholes
06:13.1
in our election laws,
06:14.7
COA rules and regulations,
06:16.9
COA-Melec procedure
06:17.7
as well as the problems
06:19.1
in their implementation.
06:21.2
That despite the blatant violations
06:23.1
committed by the concerned government officials,
06:25.4
no legal sanctions were imposed.
06:28.2
All these need to be addressed
06:31.0
appropriate in addressing the issues
06:33.4
we have identified
06:34.7
through these hearings.
06:36.8
While significant strides
06:39.3
in holding accountable
06:41.0
the concerned public officials
06:42.7
for their transgressions,
06:45.1
numerous outstanding issues
06:46.6
remained unaddressed.
06:48.7
The unresponsive behavior
06:50.2
of the employees of the Land Bank
06:51.8
of the Philippines
06:52.5
and the seeming reluctance
06:54.5
of concerned people
06:55.4
and honorable commissioners
06:56.8
from the COA-Melec
06:57.5
during our past scheduled hearings,
07:00.5
notwithstanding the persistent
07:02.9
and earnest invitations
07:04.9
from this joint committee,
07:07.0
underscore the urgent need
07:08.3
for comprehensive legislations
07:10.1
and possible policy reform.
07:12.7
The unreasonable refusal
07:14.5
of key stakeholders
07:16.1
to participate in this inquiry
07:17.9
impedes our ability
07:19.7
to uncover the truth
07:21.0
and formulate responsive
07:22.5
legislative measures.
07:24.1
It is a distraction
07:25.3
to the Filipino people
07:27.0
who deserve a government
07:29.1
that prioritizes accountability
07:32.8
in electoral processes
07:34.7
and of public funds.
07:37.8
With all that have been heard,
07:40.3
transpired, and seen,
07:42.3
ang tingin ng ating mga kababayan
07:46.6
na grand conspiracy.
07:51.6
na ating pagdinig,
07:53.6
sana magkaroon na
07:56.6
at ang mga natirang mga katanungan
08:01.5
Dahil matagal na natin,
08:03.2
matagal na sanang natapos
08:04.8
ito kung naging cooperative lang
08:07.1
ang mga concerned agencies
08:10.0
na kayang sagutin
08:11.3
at i-clarify lahat
08:12.5
ang ating mga katanungan
08:14.7
ng ating mga kababayan.
08:16.2
It is my dire wish
08:17.9
to end this issue,
08:20.7
and give our kababayans
08:22.1
the justice they deserve.
08:24.8
Maraming salamat po,
08:25.8
mabalo na yung bagabigat
08:27.6
kanya tayo amin na po.
08:29.9
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
08:32.3
Dagdag ko lang yung sinabi
08:33.5
ni Chairman Kit kanina.
08:37.1
Nabanggit niya kasi kanina
08:38.4
yung impresyon ng tao
08:39.6
na may parking fee,
08:41.0
na alam naman natin yan,
08:43.7
Ngayon, actually,
08:45.8
for the information
08:49.2
of our commissioners here,
08:52.4
yung mga cases naman
08:54.0
o itong investigation,
08:54.8
ng galing din sa bunganga
08:57.9
ni Governor Mamba kasi ito,
09:01.5
isda na huli sariling bunganga.
09:03.3
So it is one of the very,
09:05.5
very same na case po.
09:12.1
dun sa sinabi ni Chairman Kit
09:18.7
or thinking ng Pilipino
09:20.5
na wala nangyayari dyan
09:22.1
kasi may parking.
09:22.8
Ito po ang nangyayari na.
09:24.8
Si Governor Mamba,
09:26.8
salita ng salita,
09:29.9
I've shown the clip here,
09:32.0
dito sa hearing na ito,
09:33.4
nang sinasabi po niya,
09:35.1
lahat naman nababayaran.
09:41.7
that's the subject
09:43.7
that's the subject
09:44.9
of the indirect contempt
09:47.7
ni Governor Mamba
09:48.8
kung hindi nyo po
09:50.0
pa ito nalalaman.
09:52.7
nag-comment siya po
09:53.6
na lahat nababayaran.
09:56.4
tanong ko po sa inyo,
10:01.4
Ano po ang reaction nyo dito
10:02.7
sa sinabi ni Mamba?
10:05.5
yung delay na ito?
10:08.1
hindi po ako naniniwala
10:10.5
dahil sa sinasabi niya.
10:12.6
Kaya ang tanong ko,
10:14.7
itong mga ginaganitong
10:22.0
paano ang reaction nyo?
10:23.0
Paano nyo tinitake ito?
10:26.6
they will not take it likely.
10:29.2
Mayroon na siyang
10:30.1
indirect contempt.
10:32.5
Pinag-react na yung
10:34.1
dalawang judges doon na
10:39.4
ito po yung tanong ko sa inyo.
10:41.6
Ano po ang magiging
10:45.6
Ano naman ang move
10:50.3
attack on the integrity
10:54.5
Dito sa mga ganitong
10:55.9
mga pronouncement
10:59.9
Thank you very much,
11:01.4
kung anong reaction sana.
11:07.2
like I said earlier,
11:10.0
ng desisyon namin,
11:11.7
there are competing
11:18.0
nababayaran naman yan.
11:19.4
We hear that every time
11:26.2
to gain our favor
11:27.9
in the particular case.
11:47.2
there's any action
11:48.2
that should be taken
11:49.4
that there's a pending
11:57.7
in our inbound session.
12:05.4
na yung hindi masaya
12:11.4
na nababayaran po
12:22.9
sa tingin ko lang,
12:30.4
Siguro naririnig nyo
12:43.3
ang Supreme Court,
12:47.4
pinag-comment na ito.
12:55.7
preserve the integrity
13:01.4
sa constitutional body.
13:05.0
makakaano sa inyo dyan.
13:08.4
tumugma kasi ito,
13:12.6
Sasabihin nyo yun,
13:16.9
hindi mo din maalis
13:24.0
itong mga ganitong
13:25.5
pinaparating din.
13:27.9
Thank you very much,
13:29.9
Congressman Lara.
13:31.0
Any more from the members?
13:34.2
excuse the Komelec.
13:47.6
sagot po ng Komelec.
13:54.7
mentioned about the case of
13:57.5
that was already ruled
14:00.0
in the Supreme Court,
14:03.0
ruling ng Komelec,
14:04.1
I will not discuss now,
14:05.2
but as far as I know,
14:06.9
ang ruling ng Komelec
14:08.0
the basis for disqualifying
14:17.9
during prohibited period
14:19.1
because that time
14:30.7
now that the Komelec
14:31.7
and the Supreme Court
14:38.5
against Governor Mamba
14:40.3
and the Supreme Court
14:41.8
ordered the Komelec
14:46.2
for proper disposition.
14:49.5
you mentioned a while ago
14:50.6
if I heard it right,
14:55.7
What's the difference
14:56.4
between proper disposition
14:57.5
and to be resolved
15:02.0
you don't have yet
15:02.7
the official document,
15:04.5
but as sinasabi ko lang po,
15:06.4
ang pag-aintindi ko,
15:07.2
pag sinabi ng Supreme Court
15:08.7
na proper disposition,
15:10.5
it should be resolved
15:15.5
the wordings being used
15:17.3
by the Supreme Court.
15:18.6
That's number one.
15:21.9
we will not discuss about it.
15:23.0
Because as I have said
15:24.9
in my opening remarks,
15:28.2
discuss about the merits
15:31.8
on the second note,
15:33.5
with regards to the case
15:37.6
in favor of the petitioner
15:40.3
sa Rosal case po,
15:42.1
in the case of Mamba,
15:46.2
this is my personal
15:49.6
I don't want to preempt
15:55.0
with regards to the
15:56.5
outcome of the committee report.
16:02.0
and I was convinced
16:08.3
of our election laws
16:10.8
spending of government funds
16:13.3
during prohibited period.
16:15.6
And it was affirmed
16:17.7
I'd just like to quote again,
16:19.9
pabalik-balik na po ito,
16:21.0
it was affirmed by
16:24.4
during the previous hearings
16:25.5
that the promulgation
16:31.0
napakalinaw po yun.
16:36.2
that we don't want
16:41.1
I want this hearing
16:42.7
kung kaya lang po
16:46.2
because this will
16:48.8
the committee report
16:52.3
as a reference po
16:53.7
ng lahat ng mga agencies
16:58.6
possible amendments
17:03.6
to this committee
17:06.2
this 19th Congress.
17:11.2
administrative and criminal cases
17:12.7
that can be filed.
17:14.1
This will be the reference.
17:19.9
ang habol po namin dito
17:27.5
the committee report
17:30.0
Ganon dito po yung COA
17:32.1
yung banking laws
17:34.8
Kasi may concern dito
17:36.1
about the land bank
17:37.0
of the Philippines.
17:41.4
this is the media po.
17:52.2
Tumahit tayo na po
17:53.7
agencies and government
18:05.6
the May 25 petition
18:10.7
that is two years.
18:17.7
yung isa that was
18:18.9
ruled by the Comelec
18:32.2
for Comelec to be consistent
18:34.5
that the Supreme Court
18:36.4
has already ruled
18:43.6
resource speakers
18:45.5
agencies and government,
18:48.5
this will be a bad
18:52.0
especially the Comelec
18:57.3
before the filing
18:58.9
because this will be
19:02.1
committee report namin,
19:03.1
ito yung investigasyon,
19:04.3
nandito lahat ng mga
19:05.1
accountable officers,
19:14.0
that was given to them
19:18.7
we are in the morning
19:19.8
nag-release ng pera
19:25.0
this will be a bad
19:28.6
especially the Comelec,
19:30.1
will rule on this
19:35.2
sabi ko nga sa mga
19:35.8
members of Congress,
19:38.4
kung kasama mo yung
19:40.5
eh pag kalaban mo
19:43.5
o kalaban mo yung
19:46.2
long district congressman
19:47.6
municipalities and cities
19:48.6
in your district,
19:54.1
the credibility of
19:58.3
Ito po, maging ano to po,
20:08.1
ng resolusyon to,
20:09.5
kasi kung hindi po,
20:11.0
October will be the
20:13.8
malaking problema po to
20:16.1
ng election natin.
20:18.1
Kasi if this case,
20:25.9
wala kaming magawa dito.
20:28.7
we'll be pushed to
20:30.9
the laws of this land.
20:35.7
we have to protect
20:40.1
that will be conducted
20:43.1
Ito po yung purpose
20:43.9
ng hearing na to.
20:47.1
I will not dissess
20:49.4
giving you courtesy
20:53.6
constitutional body.
20:55.1
ang sinasabi ko lang po,
20:57.6
you understand po,
21:01.9
oversight function,
21:03.6
kailangan po namin
21:07.5
magtutulungan po tayo dito,
21:09.7
kasi sabi ko na nga,
21:10.5
this will be a very
21:16.2
most of the members
21:18.8
Sabi ko na nga po,
21:20.1
governor or chief
21:22.6
Pero kung hindi po,
21:23.7
problema talaga to.
21:25.7
And this will happen
21:28.3
national elections,
21:32.9
this will also happen
21:33.9
in the local elections,
21:34.7
in the barangay elections.
21:37.5
barangay elections
21:42.2
Kaya alaman na natin
21:43.2
ang sitwasyon dito
21:46.5
ang ano pa nga namin dyan,
21:48.1
usap-usapan initially,
21:54.9
barangay elections.
21:57.1
we're always talking
21:58.1
that barangay elections
21:59.4
are non-partisans,
22:06.4
thank you for coming,
22:14.0
And hopefully po,
22:21.1
this will be a bad
22:21.9
president and filing
22:22.8
will be on October.
22:24.8
thank you po sa lahat.
22:31.0
You're now excused.
22:34.3
before may excuse,
22:35.2
may ikiklear lang ako,
22:39.7
I'll just take this
22:42.7
Kasi may issue po,
22:47.5
na tinatanong natin,
22:50.6
pinapakiusapan natin
22:53.7
na yung nakareceive ba
23:05.7
binigay namin sa inyo
23:28.2
kaya binalik namin sa inyo
23:31.2
sino ang mga botante
23:36.5
kay Director Olano,
23:39.5
na-validate na ba ito?
23:41.0
At kung na-validate,
23:43.4
yung last na sinabi ninyo
23:45.3
dun sa isang decision,
23:50.4
parang nabanggit na
24:00.2
pagpupulong natin dito
24:12.4
ang pera ng goberno
24:18.1
Anong sagot ni Chairman?
24:22.7
yung sagot ni Chairman?
24:27.0
If I remember it right,
24:29.1
the answer of the Chairman
24:30.4
whether it's public fund
24:32.7
still vote-buying.
24:34.8
Maliwanag po iyan,
24:37.0
binapakalat ni Mamba
24:38.4
dahil hindi naman
24:45.1
Hindi po vote-buying.
24:46.1
Mas masaklap nga ito, eh.
24:56.3
Pinalabas namin dito
25:04.0
si Gobernor Mamba
25:06.4
all around the province
25:08.0
na hindi daw siya
25:09.7
namimili ng boto,
25:10.8
eh, very clear po,
25:17.7
babalikan ko lang.
25:21.2
the soonest possible time,
25:27.8
magtatanong ako sa inyo
25:43.3
kung sino nakakuha
25:44.6
ang tagi-isan libo.
25:48.1
baranggay captains
25:49.5
nag-report po sa akin
25:51.0
kung anong nangyari doon.
25:53.3
nilagay pangalan,
25:58.2
Dininday po nila,
25:59.4
sila yung pangalan,
26:00.6
pero walang na-receive,
26:05.7
nakalagay pangalan,
26:07.7
sila din pumirma.
26:11.9
wala naman silang
26:18.4
But one thing is sure,
26:22.7
ng tigil isan libo.
26:26.2
iparating din sa inyo,
26:37.5
may parating sa inyo
26:43.8
sinabi ni Chairman,
26:47.9
sa lalong magaling.
26:50.7
Congressman Lara.
27:02.0
But sabi ko na nga eh,
27:03.4
sabi ko na nga eh,
27:04.1
kahit pa hindi pa
27:08.6
ang question doon
27:11.2
during prohibited
27:17.6
Commissioner Maceda,
27:18.8
Commissioner Ferrer,
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thank you for coming.
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You're now excused.
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The hearing's suspended.
