TRILLANES, NAGLINAW TUNGKOL SA DAPAT GAWIN NI LENI AT NG OPOSISYON SA ELEKSYON 2025 AT 2028
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I was like, sino itong mga Ilocano niya?
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I don't see that in bag.
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Siguro mga taga-dabao na Ilocano yan.
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Kasi mayroon siyang sub-regional, di ba?
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So, I go, hmm, sino itong mga 1% niya?
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Tawagin ko nga yung mga Duterte, man.
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Nasa ilong masol note.
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So, that was a very interesting survey.
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I found it very, very helpful.
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Kasi makikita mo, believable yung mga sub-demographics din, eh.
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And then, 4% traditional opposition,
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my understanding is probably Liberal Party to.
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And then, 45%, either undecided, independent,
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Hindi ba parang good news yan, Senator Trillianes,
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that there's just so much more out there
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that we can explore in terms of mobilizing.
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Na hindi benta mga Duterte sa kanila,
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hindi benta mga Marcos sa kanila.
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I suppose that will also reflect on the Tulfo brand and all.
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So, there's a large constituency that is still not mobilized.
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And perhaps, maybe that should be the conversation for the opposition.
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Kasi kanina, purong ibang pinag-usapan natin.
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Let's now talk about the option for the opposition.
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Real opposition, not the digong opposition.
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While you may have seen the numbers
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Bredo, na medyo significant at 11.
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ang nakita ko ron,
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from 28%, just 2 years ago.
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Because, hindi niya kinonsolidate
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at pinabayaan, basically, yung base na yun,
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So, I'm not saying na parang,
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it's a strong 11,
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but, no, pababa yun.
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And that's the same thing that happened in 2016.
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But then, when she decided to run for president,
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she only was, I think,
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So, inayam mo nang bumaba ng bumaba.
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And, ganoon na naman nangyayari dito.
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kailangan na natin talagang mag-ano na,
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And, si Sen. Teresa
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is very much ready
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to assume that leadership role
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si Vice President,
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and definitively,
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hindi na ako tatakbo.
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And, she can ask the pollsters
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to strike her name off
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any 2028 list for president.
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Yan eh kung totoong ayaw niya na,
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o hindi na siya interesado,
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tumakbo for president.
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Kasi, kung interesado ka naman pala,
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then, do the legwork.
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I-consolidate mo yung
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pinagkatiwalaan tayo ng 2028.
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pinagkatiwalaan siya ng
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ng 28% of the people.
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I-consolidate mo.
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Tapos, do the other
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necessary preparation para kung
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Pero, kung gano'ng ulit na style,
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natitong, teka muna,
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wabahala na muna kay John,
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I'll just go around the world muna,
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mag-chill muna ako.
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Teka muna, what about
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the problems of the country?
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Hindi naman natapos yung problema
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ng bansa nung natalo siya.
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Did she stop caring
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about the problems of the country?
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So, ano yung mga leadership
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Traits na dinidisplay niya dito
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or lack thereof, diba?
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Ngayon, sabi ko nga, kung talagang
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wala naman ng plano, edi
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definitively sabihin mo na,
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hindi na ako talaga tatakbo,
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final na yan, Senator Riza,
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good luck, I will help you,
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I will turn over.
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So, should she do a second passing down the...
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Talagang, eto na talaga, si Riza, by the way,
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should she remind everyone
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that Riza is the opposite?
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Yes, kasi yung unang
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passing of the baton, ano yun eh,
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over pa eh. People were still
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clinging on to that
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a Lenny Robredo presidency.
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Kaya hindi pa nagsink in
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noong time na yun. Tsaka hindi siya widely
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disseminated. Pero
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kung gagawin niya ito ulit,
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definitively, ano no, then
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mas, ano yun, mas ma-appreciate
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yun ng tao. Okay, we'll move
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on na from Lenny, Riza it is,
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I think that's the only hope
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opposition to have a chance
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just to be fair here, siguro, I'm thinking
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guys, there are people, I'm not saying Lenny, but maybe
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there are strategies of her who are saying
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strategic ambiguity
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if I can put it that way.
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Let's have a strategic
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ambiguity, let's see what she does.
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If 2025 she wins,
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she wins that local government office
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and then she does well, then who knows,
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maybe she'll be in that position. What you're saying
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is that neither here
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nor there is kind of a
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suboptimal for everyone because it doesn't allow
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for Riza to step up. It also
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doesn't necessarily put her in the
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best position to get the ball rolling
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for 2025 because we can see Sarah
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is already in a campaign mode
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in one way or another. Rafi is already
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doing that although he's not directly attacking
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Sarah, but clearly we see what Rafi's strategy
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is. Don't talk about Sarah,
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make sure that you do your part well
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and that strategy is working wonders for
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Rafi Tulfo so far from ilang percent
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lang siya nung two years ago, di ba? Ngayon
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35, magpo 40 percent to siya.
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So what you're saying is that this
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neither here nor there, medyo
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mali-late na tayo even though
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some would say, hindi, malayo pa naman ng 2028
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eh, masyado naman kayong atat, masyado
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kayong advance mag-isip kayong dalawa eh.
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Well, yung ambiguous
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approach na yan, yan yung ginawa
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in the lead up to 2022.
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Di ba? Look at what
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happened to us. Kung nag-e-expect
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ka ng different result,
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di ba? Dapat, tingnan mo na,
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the same approach, different result,
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medyo may problema tayo dyan.
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Tapos, sabi ko nga,
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ma-equate ko yan dun sa, ano eh,
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sa no comment ni Sarah eh.
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Baka uso talaga ngayon ng strategy.
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Oo, parang gano'n.
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ito lang yung sa akin,
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purely public service
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bakit kailangan ka pa ba
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kumbinsihin itong makbong
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presidente? Di ba?
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Kung talagang nakikita mong
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you have the capacity to make a difference
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in the lives of the people
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at marami naga, marami kang
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nasimulan ng mga base,
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mga base, and besides,
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vice president ka eh.
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Di ba? Hindi ba dapat
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andodon na yun sa'yo
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tipong, sige, let's go for it?
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Bakit kailangan pang kumbinsihin?
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Kung talagang mahal mo yung bayan,
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So, yun yung problema ko dyan.
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Hindi dapat, eh na, ano,
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hindi dapat nililigawan
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Dapat yung leader namumuno.
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Just a tiny point on this.
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Again, I mentioned yung
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somehow up for grabs.
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How do we get those people
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on the side of the good fight,
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Senator Trillanes?
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Ano yung mga katangihan,
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ano yung mga attributes,
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ano yung mga positioning
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na sa tingin mong kailangan natin?
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Especially mga kabataan, di ba?
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Aside from making better TikTok videos
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and travel vlogs,
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ano pang ibang kailangan natin,
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Senator Trillanes?
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yun na nga, kaya binabalik ko dun sa
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just two years ago.
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they held on to that dream.
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So, part of that,
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that 45% is the 28%.
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Kasi ang hiniwalay lang naman
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Liberal Party opposition.
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For that matter, yung 4%
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So, yung 24% niya
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nang bumoto sa kanya
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nando doon sa 45%.
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kung sinong pinakamalaki na walang dito,
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kasi nagahanap sila ng leader.
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So, the Tulfo-Saara is essentially
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the split of unity.
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na spin niya ni Saar and Tulfo.
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pagka lumiwanag na yung leadership
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ng pink movement,
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magka-gravitate yun
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Kasi ngayon talaga napabayaan eh.
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yung holding pattern.
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Ano ba nangyayari dyan?
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Sige, abangan natin.
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the next leader of the independent opposition,
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kung paano niya ay kakamada
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yung kanyang organization,
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paano niya ay kakamada yung kanyang mensahe,
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or at least yung 25 na iyon.
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siya yung kailangan pagkatiwalaan,
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mamuno na ating bansa
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after the Marcos administration.
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Very, very good point.
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Actually, even more optimistic
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than I was considering.
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Doon sa 40 plus percent na yan,
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maybe half of that
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were already sympathetic
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if not already involved
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in the pink movement.
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So that just tells you
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how much more is on top here
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or under top here.
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Kaya mahalaga itong mga conversation na yan.
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5 am ito kanina sa akin,
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medyo worried ako na medyo bangag ako in all.
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more than an hour of conversation,
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Thank you so much,
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and for the wide-ranging discussion
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we're having here.
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Looking forward to having more of this in the future.
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Siguro we can do it somewhere in Tagaytay,
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I'm sure ma-appreciate ng tao yan para,
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para ano, ano mo na.
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Thank you so much,
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Magpahinga po kayo.
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Maraming salamat Richard.
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As always, talk to you soon.
