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00:00.0
Dito nagkakatalo dun sa definition ng medisina, yun sa 20% discount.
00:06.7
So alam natin na ayon sa RA 7432 Section 4, ang senior citizens entitled sa 20% ng gamot.
00:24.3
Ang tanong, does this mean that only prescribed medicines are included?
00:30.0
So that therefore, supplements, vitamins, over-the-counter drugs like paracetamol, ibuprofen are not included in the privilege.
00:40.7
May we get a clarification please?
00:43.5
Sinong sasagot? DOH?
00:46.1
Thank you po, Madam Chair.
00:47.2
So with regards to that, according to our Administrative Order 2012-007, this is also in line with the Republic Act IRR.
01:00.0
The 20% discount applies to prescribed medicines, over-the-counter medicines, and as per the latest amendment of that AO, we also included vitamins and supplements.
01:13.3
I'm sorry, included, not included?
01:15.1
Included po yung vitamins and minerals.
01:18.8
So what are included now in the 20%? Vitamins or supplements?
01:24.1
Vitamins and minerals.
01:26.5
So that means all supplements?
01:30.0
Ang daming anti-aging at wellness ngayon?
01:34.0
Need po na medically prescribed.
01:36.9
Medically prescribed.
01:38.8
Vitamins are also medically prescribed?
01:41.2
Yes po. For example,
01:42.6
So everything has to be medically prescribed right now?
01:45.8
Except for over-the-counter medications.
01:47.9
Wait, ang daming mong except to the except to the except.
01:53.4
Dati lahat prescribed medicine.
01:56.0
Hindi tayo nagkakaisa sa definition ng medicine.
02:00.0
Aling medicine to?
02:02.6
Talagang prescribed drugs, supplements, vitamins, over-the-counter, alin ba?
02:10.2
So all po are covered.
02:12.8
Pero ang definition po, for example, prescribed medications, you must prescribe.
02:17.7
Teka, how can all be covered?
02:20.8
No, not all are covered.
02:24.4
Which will avail of which medicines?
02:30.0
Which will generate a 20% discount for the elderly?
02:38.5
Yes po, prescribed.
02:38.9
Kasi sabi mo lang hindi.
02:43.9
Sabi mo kanina only prescribed.
02:47.4
Phil Health, can you help us?
02:51.4
Sabi mo kanina, sabi niya kanina only prescribed.
02:54.3
Pero later on, sinabi naman niya, not all.
02:58.4
It's prescribed medications.
03:03.4
E kapag sabi niya, nagpre-prescribed din ang doktor ng vitamins.
03:07.8
O kapag nagprescribed ang doktor ng vitamins, okay, 20% na ulit.
03:12.4
Okay, pero pag sarili na nagvitamins siya at sinisipon, hindi kasali.
03:18.3
Tapos supplements hindi rin kasali, unless prescribed by the doctor.
03:23.7
Pag nag-glucosamine yung doktor, okay lang o hindi?
03:29.1
Everything depends on the doctor.
03:30.6
At saka kung sobrang payat at pinapainom ng, diba may mga, what do you call this, enhanced milk and other products?
03:41.7
Once prescribed, yes.
03:43.9
It should be, there should be a 20%.
03:46.1
Only if prescribed.
03:47.8
So right now, you're right in saying, Dr. Domingo, that it's all medicines, vitamins, supplements, ang operative is prescribed.
03:57.9
Vitamins, supplements, milk, whatever, basta pre-described ng doktor.
04:02.7
So kailangan ng doktor.
04:05.0
And the ones that are not included are whatever is not prescribed that you're taking on your own.
04:13.3
Madam Chair, I would like to add po.
04:18.3
For the over-the-counter medicines, as per our pharmacy law also, we don't require prescription.
04:25.3
And those automatically applies 20%.
04:27.7
As long as they bring the requirements.
04:34.0
Can you come again?
04:35.3
So I'll be ready.
04:36.0
You don't, it's over-the-counter.
04:37.5
So of course you don't require prescription.
04:39.9
Therefore, what happens?
04:42.2
So it can also be availed of the 20%.
04:45.8
But you need to bring the booklet, the ID, for it to be applied.
04:55.0
Teka, ang gulo nun.
04:57.7
So 20% pa rin, over-the-counter.
05:02.5
Over-the-counter.
05:03.1
If, what booklet?
05:05.5
Can you just let her finish, please?
05:11.0
The purchase booklet.
05:13.8
Purchase booklet.
05:15.0
This is issued, purchase booklet issued by the OSCA.
05:20.2
Madam Chair, Madam Chair, Senator.
05:23.0
Yes, I, I, I, wait.
05:25.5
Who's that talking?
05:29.1
Yes, Senator Bong.
05:30.6
Can we please put him on the video, please?
05:33.9
Andiyan pa pala si Senator.
05:36.4
Yes, Senator Bong.
05:39.8
Kung kasama yung, yung, ang supplements, ano yung sinasabi ng mga butikan na excluded
05:47.4
ang non-therapeutic kahit prescribed?
05:51.3
Paano yung mga gatas gaya ng ensured?
05:55.9
Kaya nga, nakakalito eh.
05:57.5
At saka yung over-the-counter, included but not included.
06:01.2
Yun nga, parang, parang, kailangan ba nalinawin pa yan sa batas?
06:07.8
Madam Chair, if I may be allowed.
06:09.2
Yes, Chairman Quijano.
06:11.5
The FDA, I, I, I don't know if there are FDA regular employees here, but the FDA said
06:19.3
that kasali po yung over-the-counter and supplements at 20% discount.
06:28.5
Provided the booklet is produced as Dr. Domingo's booklet ID.
06:35.9
Kahit walang prescription yan, ha?
06:37.7
Walang prescription po.
06:38.6
This is on record, ha?
06:39.9
Nagkakaliwanagan tayo.
06:41.0
Kasi alam na alam ko, yung mga elderly sa amin, pabalik-balik sa butika, ayaw ibigay yung 20% diyan.
06:49.3
So, magkaliwanagan tayo.
06:54.1
So, Senator Bong, we have that on record.
06:57.5
Of the medicines or supplements, can you make a list?
07:01.4
Sinong gagawa niyan, DOH?
07:03.8
Gawa ng list ng medicines, over-the-counter, supplements, vitamins, milk?
07:09.2
Pwede ba gumawa kayo ng parang example na listahan, sample listing?
07:14.1
Yes, Madam Chair.
07:15.0
Actually, this was already brought to our attention na meron niyang clarifications.
07:22.2
In our process naman po, we will be issuing a department memorandum for clarifications.
07:27.5
And we are already coordinating with FDA with the list po.
07:33.3
So, DOH will issue the memo or department order?
07:42.0
And this will include with FDA an annex list?
07:49.7
Yes, Madam Chair.
07:50.8
Ayun, that's better for us.
07:53.6
Are you saying a law is not necessary?
08:00.7
Technically, a law is not necessary.
08:02.9
But it would be better po if we had a law.
08:05.5
Since this is more widely recognized by our partners, especially the departments.
08:10.9
How do you monitor the compliance?
08:12.2
Kasi ang dami-daming hindi sumusunod na butika.
08:15.8
What's the grievance process?
08:18.0
And may I know, kasi sa batas, mas mababait si na Sen. Bong Revilla
08:23.0
at tayong si Sen. Lapid.
08:26.0
Gusto ko may parusa yung butika na hindi sumusunod.
08:29.7
Kasi napakarami, laganap talaga yung hindi nagbibigay ng 20%.
08:34.4
Di ba dapat may parusa yan, Bong?
08:45.3
How do we monitor compliance right now?
08:50.5
Nagmo-monitor ba kayo sa mga sumusunod?
08:52.7
At paano inaaksyonan yung mga reklamo ng ating mga senyo?
08:56.0
Ang dami pong reklamo.
08:59.7
Agree po, Madam Chair.
09:01.0
So with regards to monitoring, as per the AO,
09:04.4
the reports for the non-compliance of the establishments are sent to the OSCA.
09:10.4
So the senior citizen or the representative of the senior citizen
09:15.1
will go to the Office of the Senior Citizen Affairs.
09:18.1
Parang paikot-ikot naman yun.
09:20.3
Nanggaling sa federasyon ng elderly,
09:24.8
Yung DOH yung babalik.
09:27.5
Ano paano yung pabalik-balik?
09:29.0
Sa LGU po, then mediation at the level of the LGU.
09:33.2
Ah, doon muna sa LGU level,
09:35.7
dadalhin sa OSCA.
09:37.4
Pagdating sa OSCA, saan dadalhin ng OSCA?
09:39.6
Kapag hindi po na-resolve sa mediation,
09:41.6
it will go to the courts.
09:45.2
Ang hirap naman nun?
09:47.5
This is by, according to the law.
09:49.6
So yun po yung current na process.
09:54.8
eto nga yung problema ko eh,
09:56.9
dahil hindi naman pwede
09:58.0
gagawin ng court.
10:00.1
Hindi ba pwedeng i-punish?
10:02.7
Sino ba nag-accredit ng butika?
10:05.9
Nang pharmaceutical?
10:08.6
Sino nagbibigay ng permiso
10:10.6
sa mga butika na mag-operate?
10:13.1
Ah, the Department of Health
10:16.9
So it's actually in the power of the DOH
10:19.8
to suspend or even revoke
10:22.4
their licenses to operate, isn't it?
10:24.8
So bakit pupunta sa korte?
10:29.6
you're absconding naman
10:30.8
on your responsibility.
10:32.0
Kayo ang nag-permiso sa butika,
10:35.4
pero pag hindi sumunod yung butika,
10:37.8
hindi naman ninyo parurusahan.
10:40.0
Hindi naman tama yun.
10:43.7
Can we just finish?
10:46.5
we agree na medyo paikot-ikot nga,
10:49.8
but we are just only following the law.
10:52.0
So maybe if we will implement
10:55.5
Okay. So I think instead of the court,
10:57.8
di ba mas okay na at least
10:59.2
suspendihin muna ng DOH,
11:01.8
gawa tayo ng grounds.
11:03.4
At saka, I'd just like to understand,
11:05.6
sa Section 7 ng batas ngayon,
11:09.2
Akala ko nga, eh, wala, eh.
11:11.4
Kasi wala pa akong naririnig na may
11:15.0
There are penalties.
11:16.8
Those who refuse to honor first violation
11:27.3
Nangyari na ba ito? May nakumbik na ba
11:29.3
sa ilalim ng batas na ito?
11:31.5
Parang walang napaparusahan.
11:33.9
Eh, sino dapat magkaso nito?
11:36.6
Who's supposed to bring forth
11:42.5
Dapat aantayin ninyo yung
11:44.2
matanda, yung OSCA,
11:46.6
yung LGU, yung DOH.
11:48.9
Eh, sino magkakaso?
11:52.1
According to the law po,
11:53.3
OSCA ang magpapasok.
11:54.8
Ang file ng case, OSCA.
11:56.4
Inaasaan nyo yung OSCA?
12:00.7
If I may be allowed, Madam Chair.
12:03.5
In our Joint Memorandum
12:12.5
four other agencies
12:14.5
have agreed that in the redress
12:16.8
mechanism, the complaint shall be
12:18.8
filed before the OSCA.
12:21.6
Will be filed by the OSCA?
12:25.7
The senior citizen complains
12:27.6
and he or she goes to the OSCA.
12:31.9
The complaint will originate
12:33.8
from a member of the OSCA.
12:35.7
Of course, it goes to the OSCA.
12:37.8
is a government agency
12:39.4
under the office of the mayor.
12:41.4
The senior citizen's organization...
12:43.7
Like you, I was in an LGU
12:46.1
and I had FSCA and OSCA.
12:48.8
Ngayon, ang tinatanong ko,
12:51.0
sino magpa-file ng kaso?
12:53.9
ang magpaparusat,
12:56.5
magpapakulong yung OSCA?
12:58.2
No. The complaint is filed
13:00.6
before the OSCA, ma'am.
13:02.7
The OSCA, being an extension
13:04.7
of the mayor, hears the case.
13:07.3
And therefore, in this
13:08.8
Joint Memorandum Circular...
13:10.4
OSCA has the power to do that?
13:12.3
May kuwasa judicial power
13:15.9
Ito po ang binanggit, ma'am.
13:17.4
And then, there is a grievance
13:22.4
Do you think that's...
13:27.7
as overqualified as they are
13:31.1
may hirapan sila niyan.
13:33.2
It's in here, ma'am.
13:35.3
what we advise the senior citizens
13:36.9
as they complain to us,
13:38.8
we have thousands of complaints.
13:42.2
bring your case to OSCA,
13:44.1
but furnish us copies
13:45.5
because if there are...
13:47.5
And then, what do you do?
13:48.7
Then, we go to the procedure
13:51.0
of calling the attention
13:53.9
and if there are really violations...
13:56.9
But can't all of these
13:57.7
just go to the OH?
14:01.6
They're part of the joint circular, ma'am.
14:03.6
Yes, but it's just the circular.
14:05.3
I don't think that's very workable,
14:09.9
May hirapan yung OSCA niyan eh.
14:13.2
Ang dapat, yung may...
14:16.1
has the power to suspend,
14:18.3
to revoke business permit.
14:20.4
But so does the DOH.
14:21.8
We should give the OSCA,
14:23.7
as many alternatives as possible.
14:27.9
isuspend yung kanyang permit eh.
14:33.2
I would like to confirm po
14:34.9
with our FDA representative.
14:40.7
You want to confer with whom?
14:43.6
Is there an FDA person here?
14:51.6
aasahan ninyo yung mayor lang?
14:53.7
Ma'am, on personal...
14:55.6
Eh, kung yung may-ari ka mag-anak ng mayor?
15:02.4
That's why we believe that
15:03.7
the grievance mechanism
15:05.4
should really be improved.
15:09.5
Kaya nga ini-involve ko yung DOH.
15:11.5
At least malayo siya sa lugar.
15:13.4
Mahirap yung LGU.
