At US Supreme Court, clashing views presented on presidential immunity | ABS-CBN News
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I think that this was an incredible opportunity for my generation to have a seat in the room
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as it happens. I'm Gen Z. And so I wanted to make it a point to be first in line because I wanted us to be first in the room
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to witness history unfold, no matter what unfolds. It's been an incredible journey. I mean, this was about 48 hours in line
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and yet it was cold. The concrete's not as fluffy as my bed back home, but I was happy to do it because I know it meant a lot to people back home.
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We love Trump! We love Trump! We love Trump!
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Well, we have a big case today. This judge isn't allowing me to go. We have a big case today in the Supreme Court on presidential immunity.
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A president has to have immunity. If you don't have immunity, you'll just have a ceremonial president. You won't have immunity.
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They've taken my condolences.
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Constitutional right-of-way with a gag order. That's all it is. It's election interference. This whole thing is election interference.
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To give Trump immunity is ridiculous. No other president has ever asked for immunity. No other president has needed immunity.
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And probably if this doesn't go through, then probably no other president has ever asked for immunity.
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No other president will ever need immunity. Immunity from what? If you're a criminal, you're a criminal.
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And you're just used to your whole world being crime and getting away with it.
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It's not a fun, fun, fun!
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Mr. Trump, would you conspire to take election in Arizona?
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Mr. Trump, what do you think about Harvey Weinstein's condition being overturned?
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Thank you very much.
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Every single expert, every legal scholar, every respected scholar has said this is no case. There is no case here.
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Political witch hunt. Thank you very much.
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Are you hearing about the Supreme Court argument in the Trump? Are you able to do this in the argument today?
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I think that the Supreme Court has a very important argument before today.
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I would have loved to have been there, but this judge would not allow that to happen.
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I should be there, but he wouldn't allow it to happen.
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I think he puts himself above the Supreme Court, which is unfortunate, isn't it?
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But the argument on immunity is very important. The president has to have immunity.
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This has nothing to do with the Supreme Court.
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This has nothing to do with the Supreme Court.
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This has nothing to do with me. This has to do with a president in the future, for a hundred years from now.
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Thank you very much.
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What do you think about this argument in Arizona, Mr. President?
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This is the last time we're going to go through our minutes.
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Does Boris still work for you?
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We would be creating a situation in which we would be saying, this is what you're asking us to say.
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Which is that a president is entitled, not to make a mistake, but more than that, a president is entitled for total personal gain to use the trappings of his office without facing criminal liability.
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Your Honor, I would say three things in response to that.
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First, the doctrine that immunity does not turn on the allegedly improper motivation.
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The purpose is something that this court has reaffirmed in at least nine or ten cases.
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That's absolute immunity, but qualified immunity does say that whatever act you take has to be within what a reasonable person would do.
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Since Benjamin Franklin, everybody has thought, including the presidents who've held the office, that they were taking this office subject to potential criminal prosecution, no?
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I see the opposite. I see all the evidence going the other way.
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Marbury v. Madison, Mississippi v. Johnson discussed this broad immunity.
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So what was up with the pardon for President Nixon?
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If everybody thought that presidents couldn't be prosecuted, then what was that about?
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Well, he was under investigation for both private and public conduct at the time, official acts and private conduct.
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I think everyone has properly understood that the president, since like President Grant's carriage riding incident, everyone has understood that the president could be prosecuted.
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What is the consequence in terms of going forward with your acknowledgement that those are private acts,
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The official stuff has to be expunged completely from the indictment before the case can go forward.
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And there has to be a determination, at least on remand, of what's official, a two-stage determination of what's official and what's private.
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Well, if you expunge the official part from the indictment, how do you, I mean, that's like a one-legged stool, right?
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I mean, giving somebody money isn't bribery unless you get something in exchange.
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And if what you get in exchange is to become the ambassador to a particular country, that is official, the appointment.
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That's in the president's prerogatives.
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The unofficial part is I'm going to get a million dollars for it.
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So if you say you have to expunge the official part, how does that go forward?
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This particular indictment where we say virtually all the overt conduct is official, we don't believe it would be able to go forward.
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But the dangerousness of accusing your political opponent of having bad motives, and if that's enough to overcome your core powers or any other limits, reactions, thoughts.
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Yeah, so I think that you're raising a very difficult question.
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That's the idea, right?
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That is the idea.
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Testing the limits of both sides' arguments.
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And I'm going to say something that I don't normally say, which is that's really not involved in this case.
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We don't have bad political motive in that sense.
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I understand that. I appreciate that. But you also appreciate that we're writing a rule for the ages.
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Yes, and I think I would start by looking at the statutes.
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And then seeing what restrictions.
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They do place on the president's conduct.
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They do place on the president's conduct.
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They do place on the president's conduct.
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They do place on the president's conduct.
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They do place on the president's conduct.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you very much, everybody.
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Today was breathtaking in this room.
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You saw what went on. It was breathtaking.
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And amazing testimony.
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This is a trial that should have never happened.
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This is a case that should have never been filed.
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And it was really an incredible day.
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And we can't let this continue to happen to our country.
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And I think it was made clear.
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I hope it was made clear that a president has to have immunity.
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You don't have a president.
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Or at most, you could say it would be a ceremonial president.
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That's not what the founders had in mind.
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And I'm not talking about ceremonial.
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We want presidents that can get things done and bring people together.
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So I heard the meeting was...
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It was quite amazing.
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And the justices were on their game.
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So let's see how that all turns out.
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But again, I say presidential immunity is very powerful.
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Presidential immunity is imperative.
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Or you practically won't have a country anymore.
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Thank you very much.
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Mr. Trump, what's your response to Erdogan and Biden's yesterday?
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Will immunity affect this case?
