01:08.4
For some of the things that we really need.
01:11.3
Para hindi lang tayo hanggang nagbibigay lang ng basing access, hindi lang rentier relationship.
01:16.1
We should be also a capable ally which can project power and help in international public goods provision, anti-piracy, etc.
01:24.5
How much we should focus on also getting Japan and US to accelerate our AFP modernization, which we discussed in the last meeting, 36 billion dollar 10-year program.
01:34.6
Well, I totally agree with you, Richard.
01:38.4
On that one, hindi naman pwedeng masadong bargain, diba?
01:43.3
I agree na kailangan din natin yung tulong. Mutual itong tulungan natin.
01:49.6
Pero, diba, kung gusto nyo mas makatulong kami ng mas maayos,
01:54.6
edi iyaano nyo, kumagay upgrade nila yung ating weapon systems.
01:59.4
Alam mong problema lang kasi, ito, one of the things raised when I was dealing with some,
02:08.4
US government officials in Washington, is yung pagiging compromise nung panahon ni Duterte na if you are entrusted with military weapons, US military weapons systems.
02:22.6
Pagpapunta sa China.
02:23.7
Kaya yun yung issue sa atin. Medyo mabigat kasi yung the countries that you mentioned, may mga nagkaroon sila ng access sa mga US weapon systems because they have already,
02:38.4
demonstrated na meron silang safeguard mechanisms na hindi basta-basta ma-compromise yung mga military secrets sila.
02:48.1
Pero sige, kahit nandoon na yun, pero tama ka yung mga basic platforms, no?
02:53.4
Para lang, parang mahasa lang yung mga AFP personnel natin dun sa mga more modern weapon systems.
03:03.0
Like, sabi ko nga, kahit sa Navy, yung mga dinicommission nila mga olive groves,
03:08.4
yung mga over-hazard ferry class na frigates. Ano yun? Pwedeng lagyan ng platforms in the same way na binigay nila sa Taiwan, diba?
03:16.6
I-modernize natin po tayo.
03:18.1
Oo. Taiwan yung missile system, so wala nakocompromise sa weapon systems nila. Pero, naano natin?
03:25.9
Nagkakaroon tayo ng platform para to train yung ating mga personnel. Yung mga ano rin, yung sinasabi mga multi-role fighters,
03:36.5
para mahasa yung mga piloto natin. Anyway, dito na tayo yung mga Korean jet fighters. Maganda yan, pero parang entry-level yan.
03:46.2
Oo. Transitional talaga eh.
03:47.9
Oo. Pero, diba, dito na tayo kung medyo maganda-gandang bakbakan, kahit pa paano, hindi naman kawakawa yung mga piloto natin.
04:01.3
So, pwedeng i-demand yan ng Marcos.
04:06.5
But, I think, pinipaste naman nila. I think, eventually, they will get there. Ito lang kasi, remember, this situation that we're in was not planned from the start.
04:20.0
Noong pag-upo ni President Marcos. Kung hindi, it was forced on him by the circumstances because ipinush away siya ng China, basically.
04:30.2
Kaya, ito lang ngayon. They're doing things on the fly. But, kahit pa paano, nakakaharap.
04:36.5
And, eventually, yun na nga. Yung parity naman. Huwag naman niyong tulungan niyo kami. Sabi nga doon sa, diba, help me, help you.
04:46.6
Kay Tom Cruz at si Cuba, diba? Help me, help you.
04:52.5
I love that. That's one of my favorite expressions, right?
04:55.4
Kaya, you want the Philippines not to be just taga-bigay ng basing agreement, mga ganun. You know, we want us to be able to also project ourselves.
05:02.5
Kasi, we're increasingly getting there.
05:04.4
Just last one on this foreign policy before we go to the...
05:06.5
The meat of discussion. More Duterte and ICC and your favorite, our favorite topics.
05:12.3
Ito, ito. For me, kasi strategic investments, I think, is also very important.
05:17.7
So, the other week, nasa Germany kami, na-meet namin si Chancellor Scholz.
05:21.2
You know, he gathered some of the thought leaders from the global south. Brazil, South Africa, etc.
05:25.7
And, one of the things I said is, naintindihan ko na meron kayong business interest.
05:29.8
You know, when you go to a country, Benz, BMW, whatever, you're looking at the investment environment.
05:34.5
But, at the end of the day,
05:36.5
parang talent scouting yan, diba?
05:38.0
Pag magaling kang talent scout, hindi ka mag-invest lang dun sa mga players na mature na agad.
05:43.1
May mga players na medyo may mga kulang here and there.
05:46.4
But, you see a long-term vision there, long-term talent.
05:50.4
So, mag-invest ka dun.
05:51.2
And, I said Philippines is kind of like that in the sense that may mga kulang tayo in terms of investment, environment, and all.
05:57.2
But, you see, all the investments are going to Vietnam.
06:00.1
You think Vietnam is gonna side with the West against China?
06:02.9
No, they have their own interest, right?
06:04.6
They're putting a lot of investment.
06:06.2
So, in Malaysia, whose leader, Anwar Ibrahim, is like the new Duterte of ASEAN in terms of lawyering for ASEAN.
06:12.1
He was here in Berkeley a few months ago and saying,
06:15.0
hindi ka makatulad ng Pilipinas.
06:17.6
China is a friend.
06:18.7
Don't be China-phobic.
06:19.8
Like, ito ang problema sa West.
06:22.0
They talk about shared values, rules-based order.
06:25.2
And then, they put all the money in countries that are, frankly, a lot of them are opportunistic if not pro-China.
06:32.4
India is, you know, one day they get arms from Russia.
06:35.6
One day, they're friendly with Biden.
06:37.8
Those are not reliable partners, to be honest about it, if you want to talk about rules-based order.
06:41.6
So, para sa akin, mahalaga din na magkaroon ng strategic investments in the Philippines.
06:45.2
Kasi alam natin sa United States, a lot of the propaganda of the Makapili Club, di ba, is,
06:51.1
pag China tayo, magkakaroon tayo ng high-speed railway investment.
06:54.9
Obviously, hindi nangyari sa panon ni Digong, but they'll blame BBM for that.
06:58.9
So, I think it's important na maibigay din ang mga Amerikano and mga Japon.
07:03.1
In fairness, mga Japon naman, it's not like they haven't done much.
07:05.6
They have done a lot also in the Philippines.
07:07.4
But there has to be those kind of investments, semiconductors, things that make it easier for BBM to say,
07:13.5
see, dito na tayo tataya.
07:15.2
Hindi nga tayo binubuli.
07:16.4
Tinutulungan pa tayo.
07:17.4
Bakit tayo doon sa China, hingin sila ng kapalit.
07:20.1
Wala naman libra sa China.
07:21.4
I mean, whoever thinks we Chinese talk nice today, we'll get everything.
07:24.9
They don't know what they're talking about.
07:27.4
Well, ako naman, just to be fair to this Marcos administration.
07:33.6
Remember, nung six years ni Duterte,
07:35.6
he shooed away the investors from EU, US, lahat, because of the human rights violations.
07:44.5
Talagang nag-shut off yung foreign direct investments.
07:49.5
Now, under the new administration, inobserbahan nila eh.
07:53.6
Ano ba ito? Is this the continuation of the Duterte administration?
07:57.7
Nung nakikita nilang, uy, medyo okay, medyo ano na.
08:01.3
So, last year, they decided.
08:05.6
Kung, I think it's safe now.
08:07.6
Kumaga, it's a green light.
08:09.8
Ngayon pa lang nila sinasabi yung, pwede kayong pumasok.
08:13.4
Yung mga, ano nila, mga ambassadors nila dito, economic counselors,
08:18.7
nakikita nila na medyo okay na yung Pilipinas.
08:22.2
Ano lang, last year lang, probably the second half of last year.
08:26.5
Kaya, doon pa lang nila hinihikayat.
08:28.9
Doon pa lang sila nag-send ng positive signals sa ating, ano,
08:34.0
sa kanilang mga negosyong.
08:35.6
But then, ito nga, ano, inaantay pa rin nila.
08:39.2
Tapos, isa pang signal yung kay Senator Laila de Lima,
08:42.7
tapos itong potential itong ICC.
08:46.2
This, ano to, this would be parang enticements for investors to come in.
08:53.2
Pero mga ano yan, a few years down the road pa malalasap ng Pilipinas yan.
08:58.4
Yeah, you have to really regain their trust and confidence.
09:00.7
I think this is very important, the Duterte legacy we keep on forgetting.
09:03.8
I mean, I had a EU.
09:05.6
I had a person coming to me saying, he was very shocked na one day,
09:09.9
kausap nila yung people in finance, hindi ko naman sabihin sino,
09:12.7
pero medyo malalaking tawad ng panonidigong.
09:15.2
And sabi nila, bahala kayo dyan, andyan naman yung China eh.
09:18.6
And they were like shocked, like how naive you are.
09:21.4
Like, saan yung investment ng China, purong pledge lang, diba?
09:25.2
And what, anong klaseng matinong bansa, mag-isip na doon lang tayo sa isang bansa.
09:30.9
You will have no leverage, right?
09:33.2
So, maraming na shock, including Europeans.
09:35.6
With the amount of naivety and aggressive, I'll be honest, stupidity of some of the supposedly smart officials ng panonidigong.
09:43.7
And they come to me and say, Richard, sino ito?
09:46.2
Mga akala namin, mga technocrats mga ito.
09:48.4
So, eh, wala ko dyan.
09:49.2
In Department of Finance, binabash pa nga ako dati, may mga press release pa sila.
09:53.4
Like, it was that bad during digong na even some of the technocratic people were playing politics talaga,
09:59.9
DDS propaganda nonsense.
10:01.9
Now, so actually, yes.
10:05.6
I forgot to mention this, ano.
10:08.4
Early on doon sa secret deal, bakit ganun lopsided, diba?
10:12.1
Bakit bigay ng bigay si Duterte?
10:14.5
Ang reason is compromised siya.
10:18.9
Nagbigay sa kanya during the campaign, tapos ito, ang daming mga big ticket projects na kumikita sila.
10:28.7
That's why they have to...
10:32.1
Yan yung pag-reciprocate nila.
10:34.1
Kasi kumikita sila.
10:36.0
Compromised masyado yan.
10:37.5
Yung department officials na sinasabi mo na yan.
10:40.9
I may have an idea who you're referring to.
10:44.0
Pero kasama yan doon sa sindikato nila na nagpasok nung China Telco.
10:49.9
Na talagang binigay nila.
10:52.9
They twisted the arms of local businessmen just to provide what the China Telco needed.
11:02.5
So, nakuha nila pati franchise.
11:04.7
Pati yung access sa mga bases, lahat-lahat.
11:09.1
Yun ang reason kung bakit compromised yung kanilang foreign policy is because kumita sila ng malaki.
11:19.3
I mean, I would say even to be nice, I think the whole shadow of Chinese investment structured.
11:25.4
Yung tapang nila.
11:26.6
Kasi hindi, sayang.
11:27.5
Baka may investment.
11:28.3
But, of course, you're implying maybe it's not just that.
11:30.9
Maybe it's a bit more than that.
11:32.5
But, to be fair to...
11:34.1
Neda Secretary Pernia, no?
11:36.6
I think one reason he resigned, no?
11:38.2
Walang masyadong mga kabinat sa kanya.
11:39.5
I think it's because hindi talaga siya natutuwa sa mga takbo ng mga bagay-bagay sa ilan ng Duterte administration.
11:45.6
Quiet pa rin si Pernia.
11:47.3
I think he has a story to tell.
11:49.3
Hopefully, one day.
11:50.1
Diba? Malaman natin.
11:51.0
Kasi alam niya yung mga kalokohan ng China, eh.
11:53.2
Yung mga investments.
11:54.4
Kasi, from what I understand,
11:56.2
ang dami mga pledges and then papunta yung Neda natin sa Beijing.
12:00.5
Hanggang na nilang.
12:03.0
ano ba yung enticement?
12:05.0
Is it really big-ticket investments?
12:06.8
Or, well, something else?
12:08.2
But, before going there,
12:10.6
I want to talk about Sarah Duterte
12:12.2
because, no comment.
12:14.8
Why would the Vice President of the Republic,
12:17.4
who has everything to say about
12:19.0
Afghan refugees coming in,
12:21.4
about conflict in Gaza and Israel...
