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Jul 29 2020, 12:01pm CST ~ 1 week, 3 days ago. 
Page 37 of Tagalog for Foreigners and Non-Tagalogs mentions a single word combination of kayo + ako but does not explain it. Would you enlighten me please?
I can see the ako+ay=ako'y
But there is no mention of kayo+ako
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Author Photo Diegocorry Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious Supporter
Jul 29 2020, 1:00pm CST ~ 1 week, 3 days ago. 
“Kita” maybe?
 
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Jul 29 2020, 3:13pm CST ~ 1 week, 3 days ago. 
Are you please able to please share us a copy of the page by taking a photo? I'm not sure how common this book is, or what edition you have, which makes things more difficult.
 
I had a copy of "Basic Tagalog for Foreigners and Non-Tagalogs" which could be the book you're talking about, but my edition is one from 1996 and unfortunately I couldn't find the relevant section you were looking at.
 
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Jul 29 2020, 4:11pm CST ~ 1 week, 3 days ago. 
Page 37 of Tagalog for Foreigners and Non-Tagalogs mentions a single word combination of kayo + ako but does not explain it. Would you enlighten me please? I can see the ako+ay=ako'y But there is no mention of kayo+ako
 
@stevesmi
Not sure what you mean here.
Do you mean "kayo" + "ay"?
 
"kayo ako" is a pretty rare word combination, as far as I know, since they are both ANG pronouns. Also, I'm not sure how "kayo ako" and "ako ay" would be related.
 
Do you have the text that it does mention? That may help clear it up.
 
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Jul 29 2020, 7:15pm CST ~ 1 week, 3 days ago. 
Could you have meant "ko ka" becoming "kita"?
 
i.e. Mahal ko ka (lit: Love I you) -> Mahal kita (lit: Love I (to) you).
 
"ko ka" is unnatural, and so it becomes "kita".
 
Sorry if this isn't what you meant.
 
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Author Photo stevesmi Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious Supporter
Jul 29 2020, 7:39pm CST ~ 1 week, 3 days ago. 
@Diegocorry @Scrover @jkos @simpleauthority
Hi Gents, thanks for your replies. No it is not "kita" that is being discussed in the book and it is definitely a " 'y" word that is needed.
The book is the 2007 2nd Edition version.
It is probably not a "kayo" + "ay" word that is needed as in "kayo'y". Would somebody please tell me how to pronounce that word.
I have found several other typo errors in the book (which do make it confusing for learners of the language) and this could be another one but seems not that combo.
I will append a snip of the actual book in another message but meanwhile here is the exact wording...
Exercises
Fill in the blanks with the proper pronouns in the third sentence in each set of sentences by combining the pronouns mentioned in the first two sentences. For example, the answer in the first set of sentences is the combination of kayo + ako.
l. Kayo ay bumili ng pagkain. Ako ay bumili ng pagkain. __'y bumili ng pagkain.
 
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Jul 29 2020, 7:43pm CST ~ 1 week, 3 days ago. 
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Hi. Here is a snip of the actual paragraph on page 37
 
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Jul 29 2020, 8:47pm CST ~ 1 week, 3 days ago. 
I'm pretty sure that the answer will be "tayo'y", short for "tayo ay". Remember only pronouns can be answers here (e.g. ako, kami, tayo, sila etc).
 
I'll do the first two exercises below so you get to see the answers, and the explanation. Hopefully this will help:
 
1) Tagalog: Kayo ay bumili ng pagkain. Ako ay bumili ng pagkain. Tayo'y bumili ng pagkain.
 
English: You [more than one person] are buying food. I am buying food. We [or you and I] are buying food.
 
Explanation: You need an actor focus (or "ANG") pronoun that combines "you" and "I". The only pronoun that does this is "tayo".
 
2) Tagalog: Mabait ka. Mabait siya. Mabait kayo.
 
English: You are kind. She is kind. You [are both] kind.
 
Explanation: You need an actor focus or ANG pronoun combining "you" and "she", and is plural. In other words, you need a plural of "you". "Kayo" is the word that does this best.
 
I went through the explanations briefly as I assume you've seen the ideas behind the pronouns before in the book but need a refresher. But if you have any more questions, feel free to ask!
 
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Jul 29 2020, 8:52pm CST ~ 1 week, 3 days ago. 
P.S. As for the pronunciation of ako'y, tayo'y, kayo'y etc, I couldn't find a pronunciation example on tagalog.com. Hopefully someone else can find one.
 
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Jul 29 2020, 8:56pm CST ~ 1 week, 3 days ago. 
@Stevesmi: Agree with @Scrover: tayo’y
 
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Jul 29 2020, 11:23pm CST ~ 1 week, 3 days ago. 
@Scrover Thanx very much. The words used "combined" and "combination" threw me sideways. Example "ako" and "ay" are combined to make "ako'y" and the word "ako'y" is a combination of "ako" and "ay". But the answers that you gave me, that I agree are correct, I think would be better if the "combine/d/combination" words were not used. For me I think a more suitable word would be perhaps "incorporates" and similar words so that "tayo'y" incorporates "kayo" and "ako" but does not actually combine them. (Just my personal thoughts).
 
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Aug 03 2020, 9:49pm CST ~ 4 days ago. 
@stevesmi I just reread the entire thread and I see the issue. That is VERY confusing. It does say "the combination of kayo and ako" and immediately my brain jumps to "what???". But I see what they mean. I definitely agree with you, the wording should be "the pronoun that conceptually combines the meanings of kayo and ako together" or similar.
 
What a confusing exercise.
 
I'm glad Scrover could help!
 
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Author Photo simpleauthority
Aug 03 2020, 10:21pm CST ~ 4 days ago. 
@stevesmi As for pronunciation of the pronoun+ay construct, I just recorded these: soundcloud.com/simpl eauthority/sets/taga log-ang-pronouns-wit h-ay/s-qhbrSXtN
 
There is a fast and slow version. I'm not native, but my fiancee (who is native) said it's fine. "Tayo'y" is a bit hard to say for me, as I tend to say "tayo" too fast (which is not the pronoun, then, but the root for "standing")...
 
Anyway, hopefully that helps a little bit. I think they're, for the most part, accurate.
 
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