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Author Photo by: Lazo37
Sep 03 2020, 7:15pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 6 days ago. 
Question: Hello. I have some difficultly with the pronouns "kami and "namin" and "tayo" and "natin" for the word "we." I am unsure about when to use them. If you can give some explanation of their usage, it would be helpful. Thank you.
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Author Photo jkos Badge: AdminBadge: SupporterBadge: Serious SupporterBadge: VIP Supporter
Sep 03 2020, 7:31pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 6 days ago. 
These are the “exclusive we” forms.
 
They do not include the person being spoken to. There’s no direct equivalent in English.
 
For example:
A son and daughter might say to their parents:
“Pupunta kami sa mall.” = We will be going to the mall.
...by using “kami” it’s clear that the parents aren’t also going to the mall.
 
If you used the other “we,” the “inclusive we:”
“Pupunta tayo sa mall.” = We will be going to the mall.
...by using “tayo” they would be saying that the parents (the people being spoken to) are included as going to the mall, too.
 
It might be helpful to privately translate the “exclusive we” as “we only” or “us only,” and to translate the “inclusive we” as “we all.”
 
Ex: “We all are going to the mall.” vs. “We only (not you) are going to the mall.”
 
Hope that helps!
 
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Author Photo Diegocorry Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious Supporter
Sep 03 2020, 7:35pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 6 days ago. 
May kotse kami. We have a car.
Ito ang kotse namin. This is our car.
 
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Author Photo BoraMac Badge: Supporter
Sep 03 2020, 10:01pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 6 days ago. 
@jkos
 
Yezzzzzzzzzzzz! I like WE (all) and US (only)...self documenting rather than trying to remember exclusive/inclusive and deciper relative to who...#FAIL! Its Tagalog not CIA code.
 
Also (T)ayo na(T)in sa a(T)in
 
vs Ka(M)i Na(M)in sa a(M)in
 
Connect related ideas. 1 x 1 #Fail!
 
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Sep 04 2020, 4:09am CST ~ 3 weeks, 6 days ago. 
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Sep 04 2020, 7:30am CST ~ 3 weeks, 6 days ago. 
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Author Photo Bituingmaykinang
Sep 04 2020, 2:49pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 6 days ago. 
Kami - we, excluding the listener/person being spoken to.
 
Tayo - we, including the listener/person being spoken to
 
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Author Photo JohnD
Sep 07 2020, 7:25pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
This is one of my favourite questions to ask Filipinos. Surprisingly few can actually explain what the difference is. I usually get answers like one is we and the other is us. Of course they use the two words correctly but it is so instinctive that they don't need to think about the difference.
 
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Author Photo Nick
Sep 08 2020, 1:39pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
I remember it like "kami" = me, not you! and "tayo" = you too!
 
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Author Photo BoraMac Badge: Supporter
Sep 08 2020, 3:37pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 1 day ago. 
@JohnD I always hear pareho na pareho....same same. And if pressed...I get deep tagalog poh!
 
Many schools use classic literature texts such as "Ibong Ardana" with just minimal grammar notes. Teachers primarily supplement with usage notes that only get reduced to each student's yellow pad. Of course, that process leaves scant reliable reference materials. Half of the young students I interact with claim to find Tagalog boring. I find "boring" hard to believe.
 
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